vin gupta, he's been harping on that issue all week. it's like the testing capacity has been held back by the issue of the swabs. but dr. gupta, let me ask you this. in washington state, you're one of the first places to deal with this. one of the first places to flatten their curve, one of the first places to get control of this. how would washington state open up on may 1st? >> thanks, chuck. and just amplifying everything that dr. mcclellan just mentioned, you know, i think here's the issue. the science is clear on what we need. you and i have talked about this repeatedly. we need more of the pcr testing to see if the virus exists in the nostrils. what's not clear, and what we could use fda's additional guidance on is how do we implement and scale effectively and safely, so one of the problems, and dr. mcclellan just mentioned this. we really need to emphasize at-home options. self-collect options at home. one approach gaining some favor is saliva testing. we have people spit in a cup at home or in a tube, mail it back to a lab, and

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phil rucker joins us, vin gupta and former top state department official steve. ph phil, friday, take us through everything that has transpired since that statement on the part of this president that will go down as sort as significant as good people on both sides in charlottesville, grabbing women in the bleep, his suggestion that people might inject dis disinfectant to clean their lungs. >> politically damaging that moment was for the president, look at how it's taken on three full days for the administration to come up with an explanation for what happened. at first, the white house accused media outlets of misrepresenting the president's comments even though they were plain to the naked eye on videotape. then the president claimed he was trying to be sarcastic, but no trace of sarcasm in the exchange. and then we heard from dr. birx over the weekend say this is just how the president likes to have these discussions out loud. he was talking to the department of home land security official and this is his normal process of discussing new information. makes him

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vin gupta is a pulmonologist from the university of washington. he joins me via skype. dr., good to talk to you again. let's talk a little bit about some of these measures at your hospital and whether or not they're potentially saving lives as we just saw there in that report. should other hospitals look into adopting them as well. are you setting up best practices to share with other area hospitals? >> i work for one of the area hospitals in seattle. i can certainly say my leadership at the hospitals across seattle are doing the exact same thing they're doing at northwest hospital just north of downtown. it's incredible to see what my colleagues have done at that specific satellite site because they saw some of the greatest concentration of critically ill covid positive patients. what they've done is not only a paradigm for what i've seen emulated across the city but also across the country. there's been a lot of sharing of best practices to your point, ayman. zoom calls with our colleagues in new york city, informal sharing of best practices. it's been as critical care pr

vin gupta. he specializes in treating respiratory illnesses like covid-19. he's also an affiliate assistant professor with the university of washington department of health metric sciences. ashley parker is back with us as well, pulitzer prize-winning white house reporter for "the washington post." as is jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press. ashley, i'd like to begin with you with this question. what did we witness today? what was that because we still adhere to the tenets of a polite society, i figured i'd turn to you. you have an ivy league degree and a pulitzer prize, and you're bound to be better at describing to me what that was. >> it was jarring to watch, brian. and the president has long had a me, me, me ethos. that's not new. but what was so striking is the president stepped to the lectern today on a day when the death toll rose above 23,000. you know, during a stretch where 16 million people have applied for unemployment. when we see those pictures of people parking their cars, waiting in line for food banks that seem to s

vin gupta. greatly appreciate the three of you starting us off and starting off a new week with us. >>> coming up, why are some states getting rid of some of the very restrictions that medical experts say are critical and have been critical thus far in this fight against the pandemic? >>> and later, the push to reopen puts americans against one another. and could the secret to beating coronavirus be on display halfway around the world? "the 11th hour" just getting under way on this monday night. - i've been pretty stable with my schizophrenia for a while, and then my kids asked me why my body was rocking back and forth. my doctor said i have tardive dyskinesia, which may be related to important medications i take for my schizophrenia. i also felt my tongue darting and pushing against my cheeks. i was worried what others would think. td can affect different parts of the body, and it may also affect people who take medications for depression and bipolar disorder. i know i shouldn't change or stop

vin gupta of the university of washington. nbc news senior business correspondent stephanie ruhle. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press" in our continuing coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. ♪ >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning. to give you some perspective and how devastating the coronavirus has been, consider this. there have now been more than 900,000 confirmed cases of covid-19 in the united states. with over 53,000 deaths. look at that number of deaths for a moment. sometime this week, we are likely to pass the 58,000 lives we lost in vietnam. that death toll took us more than a decade to hit. this has taken us about 12 weeks. the past seven days, at least 17 states in washington, d.c. have registered their highest-ever one-day total of coronavirus cases. the national curve may be flattening but it's flattening at a very high level. what is now clear is that we, as a country, particularly in the government level, have failed to meet the moment. there i

vin gupta, drew harris. i know dr. gupta you're going to stick around for a little while.e'll see the white house briefing, how long that happens. that's been a marathon. drew harris, thank you for sharing your expertise as well. we are about to start the white house coronavirus task force briefing. you saw there's a ton to get to in the briefing itself. this one could be a doozy. but once it begins we will bring the important parts to you live. also pushed to the brink. new york city's first responders are overloaded. trying to keep up with the onslaught of coronavirus emergencies. i'm going to talk to a paramedic on the front lines. that's next. that's next. proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira. proof of less joint pain... ...and clearer skin in psa. humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lym

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vin gupta, thank you for joining us as well. i don't know if you are able to hear the conversation with senator smith. i want to get your perspective. with the the onus on states to decide whether they want to begin some process of reopening, whether they want to stay closed, you have the federal guidelines that have been out there for a few weeks anthony fauci talked about, he wants a two-week decline. but what is happening in minnesota, and every other state, they are taking the steps without that decline. can you see that as being tenable? >> of course not, steve. and i want to thank the senator for her service and leadership on the issue. but how do we know that infections are on the decline we are only measuring about 2% of the population at best. we have such a high degree of blind spots here. it's untenable to really understand how can any state meelt this mark of of a decline in cases over the prior 14 days if we're not the mass testing? i'm not going to focus more on the mass testing. the senators have done that. i feel

vin gupta is joining me now.he real with the president is simply if you do want to open up the economy, grab the testing bull by the horns and let's go. if i said, look, i want to reopen the economy, i know the concerns you have, tell me how i can do it what would that look like, doctor? >> i feel like i say the same thing every time. >> i feel like i ask you the same thing. >> it's just the same thing, and unfortunately so are reagents. there are innovations. we've talked about saliva testing. maybe we can move it to the home. it's easier set than done, but if we can have people spit in a cup and mail it back to a lab, that's testing done right. dr. fauci has probablily talked about it coming on in a big way, but there's a big problem with antibody testing. is therefully one that's accurate? >> we don't know that. when i care for patients who come in with smoking-related lung disease who may have flu, the flu tests i do in the clinic 30% is falsely negative. i use my clinical judgment, to say, i'm going to give

vin gupta.ur thanks as we always thank you for coming on and finding time to take our questions. >>> coming up for us, more of savannah's interview with bill gates. how he rates our federal government's response to the pandemic and why the u.s. should continue to support the world health organization. and we'll hear his response to becoming a right-wing target of conspiracy theories. >>> we are back and in the final part of what was a fascinating conversation, savannah guthrie asks bill gates here about the decision to withhold funding from the world health organization and the many good ideas he says might come out of what we're living through. >> i know that you do your best to stay out of politics, and i'll try to respect that. but i do wonder how you assess the response of our government in general, what grade you give. what is your view of how the federal government, how the states have responded to this crisis and where they could do better? >> well, you would have expected the u.s. not to

vin gupta says this, this notion of injecting or ingesting any type of cleansing product into the body, it is irresponsible and it is dangerous. it's a common method that people utilize when they want to kill themselves. also, as nationwide deaths for the coronavirus near 50,000, some states are starting to loosen statewide restrictions. in tennessee, restaurants will be allowed to reopen monday for dine-in service with 50% capacity. governor bill lee made the announcement yesterday and said he does not plan to extend the stay at home orders past the month. and governor kate brown says she plans to lift restrictions on hospitals. starting next month, hospitals will be able to reopen for nonessential surgical procedures as long as they reserve enough beds and protective gear for a surge in coronavirus cases. also, several states across the country are enforcing stricter guidelines to slow the spread of the deadly coronavirus. in north carolina, stay at home orders set to expire next week have been extended through may 8th. in illinois, stay at home orders expected to end this month have

vin gupta. >>> when we come back, campaigning on coronavirus. joe biden is out with a new ad calling out donald trump. saying the president, quote, rolled over for the chinese. we'll look at why trump can't really fight back on that one. >>> plus, the trump strategy of needing a scapegoat, this one the world health organization has officially hit another snag, thanks to brand-new reporting from the washington post, we'll tell you about it. >>> and another trump target -- house speaker nancy pelosi got under his skin again this weekend. all those stories coming up. a. and sometimes, you can find yourself heading in a new direction. but when you're with fidelity, a partner who makes sure every step is clear, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward. a partner who makes sure every step is clear, so we're working 24/7 toected maintain a reliable network, to meet your growing internet needs. we're helping customers who are experiencing financial difficulties stay connected. we're increasing internet speeds for low income families in our intern

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vin gupta, global health policy expert and dr. john torres, msnbc medical contributor. welcome to you both. before we get into antibody testing and some of the other details i want to discuss, your thoughts about people getting out and about, getting to parks, exercising, really kind of opening up their minds as well. dr. gupta, you first on that. >> i think we have to open up safely. we talk too much about essential, nonessential. we should liberalize that so what is safe and not safe. there is mixed messaging on masks. we know now there is good evidence that fabric masks help minimize droplet transmission even with normal speech. soo if somebody is in spected and speaking normally, this could transmit covid-19. so if we're wearing masks and being vigilant with social distancing, we need to trust people to follow the guidelines. >> dr. torres, i have to say anecdotally i've seen a lot of people and i've been out seeing people talking walks and out running and people without masks passing by me on the walkway and i getir tighted. should i have a right to get irritated.

vin gupta, as always, thank you.l be seeing you in a little bit in the next hour as we listen to the president and the coronavirus task force briefing. up ahead, local lawmakers across the country are facing the same key question. what is the right time to reopen? i'm going to talk to the mayor of one major city weighing that very difficult decision. there will be parties again soon, and family gatherings. there will be parades and sporting events and concerts. to help our communities when they come back together, respond to the 2020 census now. spend a few minutes online today to impact the next 10 years of healthcare, infrastructure and education. go to 2020census.gov and respond today to make america's tomorrow brighter. it's time to shape our future. don't bring that mess around here, evan! whoo! don't do it. don't you dare. i don't think so! [ sighs ] it's okay, big fella. we're gonna get through this together. [ baseball bat cracks ] nice rip, robbie. ♪ raaah! when you bundle home and auto insurance through pro

vin gupta. >>> meanwhile, china is dramatically revising its death toll in wuhan, the city where covid-19 originated. adding 50% more deaths. officials now saying nearly 4,000 people died from the novel coronavirus, an increase of about 1,300. this as the u.s. intelligence community is looking into whether the coronavirus accidently spread from a lab in wuhan that was studying the virus instead of bats in the wet market. one source telling nbc it is a likability but not the most possible likability. joining me now, the former cia of the pentagon. we have been hearing several messages here, mike pompeo pushing different theories on the labs. he really went forward but not mike esper or chairman of the joint chiefs at the pentagon saying it's less likely. what do we know about the accuracy of our own jensz intelligence? >> i think we have to wait to hear from the intelligence professionals, andrea. that's not something the president often does. but it's so important here because an allegation that china allowed the virus to escape from a lab through negligence or worse, perhaps because t

vin gupta. he specializes in treating respiratory illnesses like covid-19. he's also an affiliate assistant professor at the university of washington's department of health metric sciences. also with us, shannon pettypiece, veteran journalist, senior white house reporter for us at nbc news digital. doctor, i'd like to begin with you. i've covered my fair share of hurricanes over the years. we're always driving in as others are driving out, and there comes a moment where the emergency operations director says to everybody, if you didn't get out, there is now no more time for that. stay in place. batten down. is that where we are with this pandemic? can any effected change now affect the outcome other than some kind of strictly enforced, laugh-minute social distancing? >> thanks, brian. a national lockdown was needed two months ago. certainly now it would be playing catchup. so the answer to your question is absolutely. we need to stop with the mixed messages, with the non-evidence-based lack of definitive consistent messaging that we keep getting from the whi

vin gupta with the university of washington medical center.bal health policy expert. doctor help me with this disconnect. how can labs say testing demand is down when you and i both know there are thousands of people out there desperate to get tests? >> stephanie, first of all, thank you for highlighting testing and the mechanics of testing. supply/demand issues. these are the conversations we need to be having. on the demand side, as a provider myself, as an icu doc, the counsel given to friends and family is cdc guidelines should be respected. to this day, updated guidelines as of march 24th said we have three priority testing groups. priority one, you have to be symptomatic health care worker. you have to have symptoms and be a front line worker. or you have to be hospitalized. priority group two is you have an underlying high risk, pre-existing disease or you're older than 65 and live in an assisted living facility. and priority number three is you're living in a community where there's a lot of transmission. to your point, we've been tryi

vin gupta. welcome all. >> let's get you started. we have our first question for you, dr. torres, from generjean from facebook. how worried should she be because her 12-year-old daughter has asthma? >> so the two biggest things we know that affect people with coronavirus and make them have worst outcomes are age, and chronic medical conditions. asthma falls under that. so the fact she has asthma, puts her at higher risk. but she is 12, which is the aim group that has the lowest risk. so even though she's at low risk because of her age, she does need to practice extra precautions. and if she does get coronavirus, they need to keep a closer eye on her for breathing problems. if they start noticing that, she needs to be checked. >> okay. this one is for dr. gupta. lisa writes -- >> dr. gupta, what say you? >> i think she's doing the best she can, and that's what all american families are doing, especially in states that have passed shelter in state laws or advocated social distancing. there's only so much you can do. so my advice, if you're coughing or having symptoms, fever,

vin gupta, and infectious disease expert dr. william hazeltine. kristen, i can't ignore the tone of this briefing today. the president seemed to go off. at a time when worry all focused on the same issue, trying to reopen the economy, the testing debacle, we got the food supply issue. and they touched on those things, but the president led with judges? and voice of america? is he trying to create a constitutional crisis over voice of america? >> right, michael pack. he wants to see him confirmed, chuck, you're absolutely right. someone described as a right wing filmmaker. he also talked about wanting one of his judges confirmed dni as well as several members of the federal reserve board. president trump taking this very defiant stance, chuck, you're right. it does have tones of a campaign rally going after democrats. and our colleague hans nichols asked him i think what was the salient question about all of this, which is, a you, have you said that now is not the time for partisanship, and b, couldn't you potentially be undercutting yourself if yo

vin gupta, mumologist as well as medical analysis for us here at msnbc. i want to turn to you on the pandemic given your expertise here. where do you see the level of this in the united states given both the horrific we've had in the sheer number of cases and deaths while also in parts of the country experts are telling us we're seeing a flattening? >> i think it's exactly that, ari. i think we're seeing an expected rise in deaths. and that's going to continue. we're going see an increase in deaths until the end of may, we think. and so day to day peaks and deaths are leveling off, but overall death rates are going to continue the climb. thanks to evaluations at least 60,000 deaths if we continue what we're doing already which is social distancing in large parts of the country until the end of may. i should emphasize we talk about returns to normal life, an incremental approach, would be that is regional. it turns out places like florida, even in texas i hear that places, arkansas, missouri, nonessential businesses are opening up. so, down, we're already

vin gupta, internal medicine physician msnbc medical contributor dr. lippe roy here. there is so much of some questionable things that the president said that i do want to go through. there are some unusual things he said. there is a lot on mail balloting. he claims it's corrupt in many cases. literally, there has only been one in the last 25 years. it was down in north carolina where we had that. there has been some odd things about the secretary of navy. he didn't see any memos. so i'm going get that with peter. dr. gupta, i want to start with you. in particular, what was sort of the theme of the day of the president is saying hey, don't look over here in the united states. the w.h.o. let us down. and he seems to just say that they're in the pocket of the chinese with not explaining why. what do you hear there? and is there any merit to the president's criticisms of the w.h.o.? >> no, chuck. i thought that was reprehensible attack on the w.h.o. to scapegoat them. and it's really unfair. i feel -- i have a lot of colleagues at the w.h.o., and i feel for their senior

another expert, health policy expert who has been on the show, vin gupta said, quote, this notion of injecting or ingesting any cleansing product into the body is irresponsible, and it is dangerous. it is a common method that people utilize when they want to kill themselves. that's a quote, john heilemann, from dr. vin gupta, a leading public health expert and emergency room doctor treating coronavirus patient himself. i don't have a question, john, but what are your thoughts of what you saw up there yesterday? >> well, you've hit the high notes, or the low notes. it is beyond -- you know, there is a surreal quality to it. it's not even like an episode of "veep" anymore. it really is talking about cartoon parodies at this point. "the simpsons" you played i think was right. here's the serious thing, a very basic thing, right? think about how completely divorced from reality the president is. i want to go back to the beginning of the week. sitting here on friday. on monday, the president of the united states stood up and said, as he was talking about the overall death toll from this pa

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