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vin gupta.e've been talking about the lack of an update, the lack of facts coming out of the white house medical office about the president's condition. we do have an update. it's from a congressman from california, but it's something, something new tonight. kevin mccarthy, ranking republican in the house, i just got off the phone with president trump. he was upbeat and told me that he appreciates all the prayers and support from everyone. our president is strong and will beat the virus. so, jonathan karl, there you go. we got that going for us. >> we've got that going to for -- you know, this is where you really see what happens after an extended period of time with this president, with this white house, 3 1/2 years' worth of unreliable information, sometimes outright disinformation coming out. the white house podium used as a place to make political points. kayleigh mcenany does basically a cable show coming from a different perspective during her briefings, and no reliable information. and th

vin gupta is a pulmonologist and msnbc medical contributor.octor, you're there in washington state. you've been on the front lines of this fight of coronavirus since it started seven months ago. that doctor we just heard from there, he's at a hospital in utah. both of your states seeing increases in cases. some states are seeing pretty significant spikes. what's happening? >> morning, craig. a lot of reasons for this. what we do know is in places like wisconsin and iowa, what's preceded these really devastating surges not only in cases but in hospitalizations and deaths was the arrival of college students. in 27 college towns in wisconsin, 5,400 cases dating back to the middle of august. that was the precedent after which, four weeks later, we started seeing spikes across different age cohorts, older individuals. we can look to the restarting of campuses, the lack of rigorous testing at those campuses as one explanation. clearly another exclamation is that cold weather is welcome environment for flu and certainly for covid-19. so we're enterin

vin gupta, pulmonologist, global health policy expert. doc, i always am reluctant to get doctors to criticize doctors, so in this case, i'll limit my question to you criticizing the patient. what's the chance this is a medical decision and not a patient-driven decision? >> i think, you know, here's the -- here's the truth, brian. based on the performance of the doctors at the press conferences, i actually don't know. there -- some of those doctors there have sterling reputations in clinical research when it comes to emerging infectious diseases. unless i'm less familiar with. i'm not trying to throw shade on anybody in particular. what i did not like is the lack of transparency. listen, did those of us in the pulmonary community -- i was just on the phone with a few colleagues here. this is pretty obvious what's happening here. what do we know? we know the president was -- our technical term in hypoximic. brian, i showed this to you multiple times when i'm on with nicolle and others. he had a low oxygen level for at least a few hours. wha

vin gupta. kasie, first to you, what is the fallout on capitol hill?, the senator from utah who had been at the white house on saturday and took i guess one of those rapid tests and tested negative saturday as he was going over there for the rollout of amy coney barrett, but now he's positive and is isolating at home. >> right, andrea, and that obviously underscoring some questions about this testing, since of course everyone did have to test negative to go to that white house event and also test negative to be inside the debate hall on tuesday night. yes, senator mike lee who also met with amy coney barrett on capitol hill on tuesday, announcing he's tested positive and will be self-isolating. the reality is this is rippling across capitol hill. there were a number of other members of congress, senators who attended that event at the white house. there obviously have been 30 plus senators who have met with amy coney barrett, who has been in contact with mark meadows who of course has been in close contact with the president. even just trying to say it

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vin gupta, pulmonologist at the university of washington medical center, an msnbc medical contributor, and olivia troye is with us. she served as a senior staff member of the white house coronavirus task force and a homeland security and counterterrorism adviser to vice president mike pence. and olivia troye, let me get with you and your reaction to the president now finally coming right out and saying very specifically anthony fauci is a disaster and at the same time letting it become public that he is afraid to fire him. >> well, i think you're seeing publicly what i saw behind the scenes for several months. and i know that there were times when he wanted to fire dr. fauci and everyone else on that task for telling the truth. he knew it would backfire. what you're seeing is the president's plain desperation because he knows he's on the losing end and he's on the downward trajectory. so what does he do? he doubles down. when people tell the truth and it's not the truth that donald trump wants you to hear, he fires back at them, and that's exactly what he's doing today with dr. fauci.

vin gupta, pulmonologisp, assistant professor at the university of washington medical school. thank you very much for helping us understand this tonight. your clarity's appreciated. >> thanks, rachel. >>> we've got much more ahead. again, the president did come home tonight from walter reed hospital after spending three nights there. the circumstances of his arrival were unnerving. the president visibly gasping for air while standing outside the white house. the president then recording a video inside. he appears to have taken off his mask, even though he's just been diagnosed with covid-19 and has been very symptomatic. took off his mask in order to enter the white house and then was not wearing a mask inside the white house. just as a reminder, the white house is a workplace for hundreds of americans, and the president has covid and he's apparently not wearing his mask inside the house. the white house. more to come tonight. stay with us. more to come tonight stay with us when i started cobra kai, the lack of control over my business made me a little intense. but now quickbo

vin gupta, global health official, he is an msnbc medical contributor. and doctor, it's so important that -- so brian morganstern never, never, ever came close to answering the question, when is the last time donald trump tested negative before you reported he tested positive. he tried to behind behind hipaa which they use selectively for some of the information and they hide behind it on other answers. but why is that such an important question? >> good evening, lawrence. let me tell you why it's important. today we got even more proof directly from the president that he is suffering the ill effects of severe covid-19 pneumonia. he said, quote unquote, there was some conche chesgestion in when asked whether he had had a cat scan of his lungs. there were reports he had oxygen saturations -- i've been monitoring my own oxygen saturations with a pulse oximeter, i'll get back to that in a second. he had less than 94%, he's short of breath, he's being treated as if he has had severe covid-19 pneumonia. why does that matter? number one, if what was happening

vin gupta. and, doctor, as hallie was speaking, we're looking at the pictures of boarding air force one, and there indeed is hope hicks, dan scavino, the president's social media director is there. miller is next to her when they're walking to the chopper. but here she is talking to and breathing all over the president's son-in-law and senior white house aide jared kushner. again, we're living in an era where mask-wearing has become politicized, no more so than those around the president, and this again brings up your comments on the clock, when people begin to present as positive, when people perhaps begin to present symptomatically, and how long contact tracing has to go on, how long it has to wait until after the suspected first contact. >> brian, that was a great summary, and really those are the vital questions here. i have to say i am deeply concerned for the president's welfare, his inner circle's welfare, those that they have exposed because of the finding that hope hicks is symptomatic.

vin gupta from the university of washington school of medicine. dr.ta, i really appreciate you making time to be here with me tonight. thanks. >> thanks, rachel. >> when dr. conley there described what the president -- the way the president has been treated as a routine regimen of covid therapy, is that true? >> you know, rachel, it's a really important question, and it's very true if we just admit to what's going on here, that the president based on the information that we have, that he was short of breath, his oxygen was -- the ones that we know that have been reported have been less than 94% -- just those two points, rule him in per w.h.o. criteria for severe covid-19 pneumonia. so in that setting, for acknowledging that as fact, going to walter reed, immediately gets started on dexamethasone, that clinical presentation bought him dexamethasone. it's the one thing that we know could be effective. he ruled in for that. he ruled in for remdesivir. it makes a ton of sense, rachel, that he would get treated in that way. what i want to know is what does

vin gupta.bc medical contributor and global health policy expert at the university of washington medical center. dr. gupta, thank you so much for being with me. you and have i been talking about this for months and since the beginning of this, there were concerns that once we headed into the colder months, they would bring surges during flu season. those months are nearly upon us. what can you tell us about the rises that we're seeing in the midwest? >> alicia, it's good to be with you. we're already in the middle of that third peak or second wave, whatever you want to call it. 70,000 cases today with plateaus in the number of daily tests. so alicia, that's a bad combination. it's not -- people like to say we have more cases because we have more testing. that's not true. you're right. a thousand new deaths today as well. and really concerning signs in wisconsin. it's a combination of in particular places like wisconsin, clusters of cases in college towns. we know that that was the initial trigge

vin gupta, global health policy expert at the university of washington medical center. he recently co-authored a piece entitled "mask mandates: a public health framework for enforcement." i want to start on that. some good news here, right? arizona had a terrible outbreak this summer. they never went back into full lockdown. they took two really big steps. masks, shutting down bars and restaurants. it does seem those are key. if we could just do that and had a government that reliably told us to do that, we could prevent bigout breaks. what do you think? >> chris, good evening. let's take the case of wisconsin where you're seeing politic -- the politics setting in. when politics and fatigue set in, what you're seeing is mobility goes up, you see masking go down and cases rise. . that's the same pattern in florida, texas and arizona. in wisconsin in particular, and part of the motivation for that piece, executive order -- by governor tony evers, what we've seen is that mandating masks has gotten so politicized, that masking rates throughout the state of wisconsin, it's v

vin gupta, thanks, we appreciate it. mika? well, after curbing the first outbreak, countries in europe are looking to be in the grip of a second wave. in italy, 5,000 new cases were recorded for the first time since march with health authorities mandating masks outdoors and preparing new restrictions such as a ban on private parties. in france the number of patients in intensive care has surpassed a peak in may. in spain, there are restrictions on leaving and entering the capital of madrid which is under a state of emergency. in the uk, health authorities say the number of hospitalizations have quadrupled in the past three weeks and there are now more covid patients than before the government imposed a lockdown back in march. >> let's bring in the author of "the world, the brief introduction" richard haass and mark brzezinski, he served on the national security staff under bill clinton. we have a few topics to get to. i want to talk about the outbreak in europe. this should not be a surprise, we have been warned that the fall

vin gupta. the president did that town hall to compete with joe biden after he pulled out of what would have been the town hall debate where he got to talk to voters. does the campaign think he helped himself last night. >> they don't feel like he didn't help himself. what you're hearing from the white house and the cam pab is a lot of what the president laid ground work for. that he didn't get a fair shake. that joe biden was treated with softball questions and he had to bob and weave and take on tough questions. i heard from a white house official that said they would have liked to see more questions from audience members in their view. issues like qanon is not something that voters broadly care about. they wanted more on china, foreign policy, that kind of thing nap thing. that is where their posture is. but they're moving forward, they see his campaign events, he has a few official events, and then georgia, that's where they really think he will bring his message. not necessarily in that set

vin gupta. a major in the united states air force medical corps and medical contributor. governor sebelius, i think i got your title wrong. former governor of kansas. thank you for being with us. i want to say i'm glad to have both of you here. it is a macro/micro conversation. we need to talk about the science and medicine. governor, you were a cabinet secretary. i am this week yet more concerned about the greater implications of the lack of leadership or counter leadership from this administration than i am about the virus. i believe and dr. gupta can tell us science can help us defeat the rye obviovirus. the white house is working actively in the wrong direction. >> you saw on the president's debate and the vice president debate with a refusal commitment to peaceful transition of power. we have the amazing law enforcement ovfficers with a plt to kidnap the governor and the president is saying she say terrible person. this is a scary situation where the president may be actively inciting civil unrest. it is all about him. everything is about him. he refuses to take care

orloff that vin gupta is an adviser to the biden campaign. so this anti-body cocktail was a courageous decision. so your thoughts on who you just heard. >> i think it's a very courageous decision to try something promising and new. the president opened the venue for that. you can try something new if you sort of have disease that is lethal. why not let it happen? i think it was a courageous decision here. i'm not saying the president is at risk. i think as we mentioned, spoken many times about he's not at risk. he's cardiovascular status is perfect. we don't know of any illnesses. the viral load and this cocktail of anti-bodies, it reduces the viral load. improves immunity. why not use it? >> laura: dr. grace, everything we know about how it seems that this coronavirus seems to have weakened given the hospitalization rates that are declined across most of the country. there's upticks here and there and the mortality and number of deaths have gone down. that is giving people re-assurance tonight. >> yeah, people are reading about the disease a

vin gupta. so this is pretty eye-opening.to find out what our blood type is. so if you're type o, things are a little better for you. let's say you know your blood type how does that help you like, what can you do going forward? >> good morning, hoda. this is one of those studies, set of studies, that's intellectually interesting, but i'm not sure it is actionable for the american people to protect themselves from the virus. to your point, you can figure out your blood type, but you can't change your blood type. >> right. >> what the study suggested is there is a -- maybe a modest effect if you have type o blood versus if you have type a or type ab, in terms of perhaps not having as worse of an outcome from covid-19. but it wasn't that great it's not that having type o was very protective. this is intellectually interesting but not that actionable. >> dr. gupta, with regards to gender, there have been a number of studies that have shown that men are more susceptible to contracting the virus, to dying from the virus do we know

vin gupta, er doc specializing in this kind of thing.an affiliate assistant professor with the university of washington's department of health metric sciences. doc, i'm going to quote you back to you and by extension to our audience. this is our guest, october 3rd on twitter. you don't start dex meth sewn, remdesivir, and given an experimental antibody cocktail to the president in the setting of low oxygen dips unless there's covid pneumonia. what did his chest imaging show? the american people deserve basic information on their president. doctor, we learned last night as he put it his fever was 101, 102. that had been rumored but still a doctor never told us the fever he say spiking. tonight we were told apparently his lungs were infected. why is this important? >> good evening, brian. to cut straight to the chase it's important because it would force the president if he acknowledged the diagnosis or his doctors did, it would force accountability. and what do i mean by that? i mean the questions i get from americans is hey, doc, how do

vin gupta, an er doc especiallizing in these very kinds of illnesses and affiliate assistant professorealth metric sciences. the president says he's cured. the president says he has had a cure and that he himself was in charge of his medical regimen. doctors seem to say he's just great, in fact what are the odds they've cleared him for a rally in florida on saturday. but i want to play for you the president on hannity tonight, two instances 19 minutes apart. >> i think the first debate they -- excuse me, on the first debate they oscillated the mike. but i will say this absentee is okay because absentee ballots -- excuse me. >> so, doc, certain figures have speculated he is still shedding virus. we still don't know about his lung scans. we still are not allowed to know when he last tested negative. on paper in your line of work is he still a sick man? >> brian, i think as part of the role of medical experts and physicians to use their clinical judgment to render a decision here for the greater good and for the president's good. here's there's no shades of gray. i've gotten questions, he

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vin gupta who's been treating covid patients for seven, eight months now.u pointed out yesterday, which is that this window that the president is talking about, he was diagnosed on thursday night, he believes and his doctor has said he can go sout aout and dos on saturday. they're looking at a ten-day window. you point to a 20-day window for a patient with the symptoms president trump has shun. can you explain that a little bit? >> good morning, willie. happy to, especially for the benefit of the american people because examples matter. presidential examples matter, and so this is the thinking here. the president we know has severe covid-19 pneumonia. i've gotten some pushback, well, how do you know in the absence of a ct scan. that's where clinical judgment comes into play. i'm a pulmonologist. we deal with this all the time. he had an oxygen saturation below 94%. he has shortness of breath, he's getting treatment as though he has covid-19 pneumonia. that's all consistent. he has the diagnosis. he's coughing, you know're righ there's lots of reasons for co

vin gupta. thank you all very much for your time this evening.p next on the reid out, more on tonight's big story, donald trump taken to walt er reed hospital after being infected with covid-19. we will get reaction from capitol hill and 32 days to election day. how donald trump's infection affects the race that is under way, elections are already happening all over the country. and how should joe biden react. back after this. joe biden react back after this. mornings were made for better things than rheumatoid arthritis. when considering another treatment, ask about xeljanz... a pill for adults with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis when methotrexate has not helped enough. xeljanz can help relieve joint pain and swelling, stiffness, and helps stop further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz can lower your ability to fight infections. before and during treatment, your doctor should check for infections, like tb and do blood tests. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b or c, have flu-like symptoms, or are prone to infection

vin gupta, who remains with us and part of our coverage. doctor, at the risk of going over some already asked and answered questions, can the president test negative for something he indeed has been exposed to and later test positive? is there a gestation or german nation period noting that we are still learning so much every day about what is still an out of control pandemic in our country. >> brian, the answer to that is absolutely. this is why this is such a complicated virus for us to control, because it's so mysterious when it exposes one individual versus another individual. the response can be dramatically different. here's what we know. we know that that time between exposure and when you might have a positive test -- the president seems like he had a pretty significant exposure. what the key piece here is that if hope hicks was symptomatic, that is deeply concerning, especially in an enclosed space for a long period of time. that's a very high-risk exposure. that's very different and should be treated as such. but the incubation pe

vin gupta, a pulmonologist, an msnbc medical contributor, he's a global health policy expert. dr. gupta, let's start with regeneral john. we heard a lot about it over the past month or so. how promising is this news? >> good morning, craig. always good to see you. it's promising, there's no doubt about it. what's the upshot? the upshot is who gets access to it and how quickly can they ramp production. what you're hearing from the president is that this is going to be free for all. let's be clear, these monoclonal antibody cocktails, whatever you want to call them, they are most effective in the individual that's walking well, craig. meaning they're asymptomatic but have a diagnosis of covid-19. that's a lot of people. if we're saying that this therapy is most effective early on for those walking well, a lot of people will want this, deservedly so, this intervention. it's expensive. we know it's supply constrained. so we're going to have to think about equity in distribution just like we think about the vaccine, but it's going to be even much more of a difficult conversation becaus

vin gupta. he's a pulmonologist and affiliate assistant professor with the university of washington's department of health metrics sciences. remember a lot of the information and tallies that we're getting having to do with the coronavirus come from where dr. gupta is. dr. gupta, you've been with us for a few hours. you've had a chance to digest the information, the news that the president who has flouted the rules about these things, mimicked them as recently as tuesday night on the debate stage, has now got the coronavirus. he's m ee's one of handful of w leaders who has now come down with it. what do you make of it? >> good to see you. first of all, i hope he, the first lady, hope hicks, and anyone else in their orbit remains healthy. it sounds like for now the president and first lady are asymptomatic. i hope that continues to be the case. they are our president and first lady. it would be interesting to know what hope hicks is thinking right now. what does that mean? it's important. we thin

vin gupta. he's a critical care doctor specializing in these types of illnesses, also an affiliate assistant professor out of the university of washington institute for health metrics and evaluation. at the risk of total embarrassment dr. gupta has degrees from princeton, cambridge, harvard, columbia med school. in his spare time he serves in the u.s. air force reserves. dr. gupta, let's start with what we just all heard. the danger of this kind of talk, the danger of the president of the united states saying to largely unmasked crowds, we're rounding the corner. >> brian, it is just a series of irresponsible statements layered on top of irresponsible statements. let me correct something don, jr. said. i didn't realize he said that. this evening. there is actually no therapeutic that is available right now for the american people writ large. so if you're a viewer right now listening to this conversation, no, there is no therapeutic out there that has been approved by the fda that exists for you

vin gupta, thank you. dr. michael steele -- michael steele, thank you very much. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >>> tonight on "all in." >> i think this will end up in the supreme court. and i think it's very important that we have nine justices. >> he's trying to rush this nomination ahead so you might cast a decision, a vote in his favor in the event of a disputed election. >> one last heist by a party on the verge of losing power. tonight, senator chuck schumer on today's supreme court charade and the desperate republican attempt to force an unpopular agenda down america's throat. >>> then, another covid outbreak tied to trump campaign events as the pro-virus party rolls on. >> people don't die of this disease anymore. >>> plus, an incredible first day of early voting in texas with wendy davis and why the forecast for control of the senate keeps improving for democrats. >> i don't know what's going on out there, but i can tell you there's a lot of money being raised in this campaign. >> when "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york

vin gupta, who you may recognize. he's been on the air with us a lot, helping us understand this pandemic and helping us on debate nights, fact-checking some of the president's lies about covid. here's the "washington post" front page today -- "white house is again afflicted," then in all caps, "five in pence's orbit have virus." then you see the subhead there -- "meadows, white house chief of staff, says not going to control the pandemic." it's the same feeling on the front page of "the boston globe" today -- "new outbreak royals campaign, pence's office hit, we're not going to control the virus, meadows says." and it's not just the big papers, and it's not just national news. here's the "winona daily news" in winona, missouri -- "what's driving the world spike?" rnd in wisconsin his family brought him to the closest emergency room in the hospital in bismarck, north dakota, but there was no bed to put him in. they tried moving him while he was suddenly and violently ill, to the other hospital in bismarck, but that ho

vin gupta, global health policy expert and pulmonologist. dr. gupta, we do this every week.this with us. can you get your head around why the cases are surging again right now? >> good evening, joy. thanks for the invitation. there's a few reasons. so let's be clear. what we know now is that pandemic fatigue has really set in as schools have reopened. and so now we have a situation across the country. school districts across the done, those that have gone in-person, at least for part of the week, they're largely open without testing. so we don't actually know what's happening, but we're pretty darn sure that in these school districts and campuses across the country there is transmission, community transmission of covid-19. why does that matter, joy? it matters because in cases where there is testing, we've seen that spikes in the 20 to 29-year-old age bracket proceed by about four weeks of spike in an older age group. so we saw that in wisconsin, which is now heavily hit. they have field honestlies in and around green bay because their icus are getting full. we saw that in i

vin gupta, who you may recognize. he's been on the air with us a lot helping us understand this pandemic and helping us on debate nights, fact-checking some of the president's lies about covid. here's "the washington post" front page today. white house is again afflicted. then in all caps, five in pence's orbit have virus. then you see the subhead, white house chief of staff says not going to control the pandemic. in "the boston globe," new outbreak roils campaign. we're not going to control the virus, meadows says. it's not just the big papers, and it's not just national news. here's the winona daily news in winona, minnesota. what's driving the rural spike? here's the milwaukee journal sentinel in wisconsin. contact tracers cannot keep up. here's the grand forks herald in north dakota. the front page there is the story of a local family where the son in that family almost died of acute kidney failure. 19 years old. he became suddenly and violently ill. his family brought him to the closest emergency room in bismarck

vin gupta, a pulmonologist and the university of washington's health metric sciences. remember, a lot of the information and the projections and the tallies that we're getting having to do with coronavirus come from where dr. gupta is. dr. gupta, you've been with us for a few hours now tonight. you've had a chance to digest this information, the news that a president who has flouted the rules about these things, mimicked them as recently as tuesday night on the debate stage, has now got coronavirus. makes him one of a few, a handful of world leaders who have now come down with coronavirus. what do you make of it? >> well, first, ali, it's good to see you. first, i hope he, the first lady, hope hicks and anybody else in their orbit that might have been exposed remains healthy, and it sounds like at least in the case of the president and the first lady they're asymptomatic right now. i hope that stays the case. you know, he's our president. and i hope he remains healthy. same for the first lady. it will be interesting to see what hope hicks is feeling right now. when we h

vin gupta, thank you. thank you for telling our viewers actually the truth based on medicine and science and reason. we greatly appreciate it. of course it is extraordinary that doctors like dr. gupta are getting death threats and getting -- just getting attacked. >> and disaster declarations for their doctors to get ready. >> day in and day out. getting attacked for simply telling the truth about wearing masks, about social distancing, about doing the basic things that can keep you and your families safe. hey, ref, we'll get to polls in a little bit. i'm just curious, we're now eight days out from the end of the voting. what are you seeing on the ground? what are you hearing on the ground about the state of the race? >> i'm seeing a huge turnout, people were thinking that maybe the first day or two, but it was just a release of a lot of emotions and people waiting to vote. but it has stayed every day in some states increasing by the day and i think that this is a real indication that people are concerned a

vin gupta, always a disclosure you're not treating the president but based on the information that'sublicly available, where would he be in the course of his illness if the first positive test we know of was october 1st? >> he is about a week into his course what's key here is the onset of symptoms, not necessarily when he got diagnosed as a lung doc who has cared for these patients i'm worried about that initial presentation. obviously he got aggressive treatment up front how did he do seven to ten days after the onset of symptoms? looking into the weekend, is he having worsening shortness of breath, fever, cough if he isn't, perhaps he's in the clear and definitely on the mend what happens a week after the onset of symptoms is definitely key. >> first dose of the monoclonal antibodies i guess we're all doctors now, dr. gupta, and remdesivir, the five-day course that ended yesterday. the steroids are the final piece of the puzzle that we're aware of do you think he's still taking those steroids >> so, it should by nih guidelines fda approval has stipulated if you rule in pneumonia,

university of washington icu doctor vin gupta fears what could come, a u.s. death toll hitting 500,000 by february 1st. that would be more than the number of americans killed in world war ii. >> if we're seeing more of a relaxation towards normalization of life prematurely, more people will die. >> reporter: so, tom, these dire warnings, these startling predictions, more officials across the country are now considering implementing some new restrictions, i understand. what are they considering? >> reporter: right now, there really is not a national call for a national lockdown, even dr. fauci says he would not advocate for that right now. wisconsin is limiting the number of people who can be inside together, chicago may take action as well. but the bottom line, the cdc says wear a mask, especially in public areas. public transportation areas especially, that can really protect you and others. but this number that we cited, the potential for half a million dead by february 1st, just a staggering number and it really underscores that this is very much a nationa

vin gu a gupta. first of all, dr. gupta, is it possible that hope hicks was not the person who passed it along to the president, and what are the guidelines when you are exposed to someone who tests positive? >> we know the president went to the fund-raiser. we know the president blew threw potential guidelines going to the fund raise erand other-rais. and we know the president has a pattern of blowing through rules, especially cdc guidelines or health guidelines to keep people safe. what should be happening when a person is exposed? >> you bet, mika. that's a vital question here. and a critical input here is, how symptomatic is hope hicks right now? is she okay? she's young and we're hearing she's symptomatic. what does that mean? why that matters, mika. the more symptomatic one is, we think the more infectious they are to others around them. so a vital piece of this is when was she first demonstrating symptoms and then maybe we can trace back. to your question, was she the incident case, was it somebody at a rally t

vin gupta from the university of washington school of medicine. dr.ta, i really appreciate you making time to be here with me tonight. thanks. >> thanks, rachel. >> when dr. conley there described what the president -- the way the president has been treated as a routine regimen of covid therapy, is that true? >> you know, rachel, it's a really important question, and it's very true if we just admit to what's going on here, that the president ruled in, based on [000:2