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. >> now remarks from lieutenant colonel alexander vindman about russia's invasion of ukraine. while working at the national security council, vindman investigated joe biden's son se which ultimately led to trumps impeachment on charges of abuse of power. colonel vindman's remarks were organized by republican critics of former president trump. >> thank you very mu

. >> now remarks from lieutenant colonel alexander vindman about russia's invasion of ukraine. while working at the national security council, vindman investigated joe biden's son se which ultimately led to trumps impeachment on charges of abuse of power. colonel vindman's remarks were organized by republican critics of former president trump. >> thank you very much for that amazing warm welcome. i want to acknowledge why wife and daughter here with me today. some of you may know her here. and my amazing gorgeous beautifuldaughter eleanor, eleanor stand up . >> i haven't really done anything like this before. i've been doing a service on the news talking about my area of expertise so i'll try to not stumble too much. i think it's important to recognize what we're doing here today as an alternative to attacks and it's critically important in that context but it's as important and another context, the context of the struggle for democracy and freedom and that's the context that i think my remarks i'll start and these are tied together so somewhere along the way you will find the

colonel vindman, thank you for being here.ght the show, we had an absolutely distressing interview with a woman named hanna hopko, a security expert, who lives in ukraine. ukraine is a shield for europe right now. and she doesn't under how nato countries, the west, can stand by and watch children getting murdered. >> hanna is a friend. she's a terrific spokesperson for her country. exchanging emails and messages with her on whats app and it's difficult to watch her break down like that. she understoods that her country is in great peril. her friends are in great peril and doesn't understand how this western world is sitting on the sidelines while ukraine bleeds out and defends european security, european stability against russian aggression. that's a hard thing for me to bear as an american citizen thousands of miles away. and i understand the importance of ukraine to our stability and security and now the largest country in the world is waging war and in europe, impossible to sit on the sidelines. this war is likely to spill

maybe without diplomatic gains. >> colonel vindman, let me stay on that point you just made about the so-called -- denazification, that vladimir putin is promising and is now a central mission to this campaign. what would defined do you nazi vacation for putin publicly? would he have to add minimum arrest president zelenskyy? >> those are all made up terms, there are no nazis in ukraine. i showed a clip on twitter today about holocaust survivors from world war ii, talking about their experience back then and how it mirrors today and sending the message of putin to leave. for putin, it's probably relatively straightforward, or it was before he started this for. his military objectives, he is unlikely to achieve them now. it is to, it was to decapitate, to replace a leadership of ukraine with a puppet regime. clearly, the will of the ukrainian people is to resist. it is an indomitable will and they are not going to tolerate a regime change. that means a potential occupation force. russia does not have the force structure to occupy a country the size of ukraine. it's the biggest country

maybe without diplomatic gains. >> colonel vindman, let me stay on that point you just made about the so-called -- denazification, that vladimir putin is promising and is now a central mission to this campaign. what would defined do you nazi vacation for putin publicly? would he have to add minimum arrest president zelenskyy? >> those are all made up terms, there are no nazis in ukraine. i showed a clip on twitter today about holocaust survivors from world war ii, talking about their experience back then and how it mirrors today and sending the message of putin to leave. for putin, it's probably relatively straightforward, or it was before he started this for. his military objectives, he is unlikely to achieve them now. it is to, it was to decapitate, to replace a leadership of ukraine with a puppet regime. clearly, the will of the ukrainian people is to resist. it is an indomitable will and they are not going to tolerate a regime change. that means a potential occupation force. russia does not have the force structure to occupy a country the size of ukraine. it's the biggest country

colonel vindman is staying with us for the whole hour. >>> when we come back, we will both be joined with much, much more on putin's thinking, if he's still thinking, and his next move and what we can do to stay ahead of it. >>> later in the hour, the political impact here at home of president biden's move today to ban all russian oil imports. congresswoman barbara lee will be our guest. >>> and the heartbreaking humanitarian crisis reaches a sad milestone. two million refugees have fled their country. they have left ukraine and includes a staggering number of children. "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. "ddleaine ws after a quick break. with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (excited yell) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health. entresto is the number one heart failure brand prescribed by cardiologists and has helped over one million people. it was proven superior at helping people stay alive and out of th

colonel vindman, i just want i forward and keep working.“ colonel vindman, ijust want to forward andimportant effort hit as i talk on where they take off from and where the land, right? there is an air base that is a nato airbase in poland. if you had a planes departing from there, that could be a challenging circumstance. what are the other option is? and where do they land? those are some of the logistical challenges. obviously, the department of defence can speak to this more intensively. but we are looking at all of those factors and we are certainly not preventing or blocking or discouraging poland, that is their sovereign country, they make their own decisions, but it is not as easy as just moving things around. yes. the . uestion moving things around. yes. the question is _ moving things around. yes. the question is that _ moving things around. yes. the question is that what _ moving things around. yes. the question is that what they - moving things around. yes. the | question is that what they would moving things around. yes. the i question is that what they would do is fill

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colonel vindman, have to start with you. you are born in ukraine, you know this country, and you know putin. ukraine has been much stronger than putin has months waited. he's facing global blowback. his own people are protesting, and his stars are athletes are rejecting him. he's getting humiliated. what is this next move? >> double down. he's gonna respond more aggressively. the fact is that he's experienced a couple of decades of power where all he needed to do was ratchet up the pressure, and increase the violence. increase the suppression at home, i have these those artifacts. and oftentimes threw out his ten year, the west sat silently. now he has the price and, build in the fact that this is a different landscape. there's a much more of a muscular response, but isn't stakes is ingrained pattern of doubling down. and achieve as military objective in ukraine. because if you can do that, and you can start to prop up the government. if you can attempt to pacify the population, he thinks there's a way out of this. unfortuna

colonel vindman, it's great to see you again. let's talk about what we've seen today, though.was smoke erupting in lviv, you know, just across the border. of course, you know, in central, it looks like just outside lviv, or central lviv, tell me your reaction to those blasts in lviv. is there any possibility that vladimir putin is responding to president biden's trip here? >> to me it's clear, this is a form of signaling this war is going to continue on. president biden's actions or the activities of nato don't really mean that much to the conduct of this war. it's clear to vladimir putin that frankly the u.s. and nato have made it clear they're not going to get involved. this is more signaling on the kinds of support they're providing ukraine and there's little that the u.s. could really do with the kind of supports we're providing at the moment. so it's signaling. it's the idea of warning off president biden from doing more in support of ukraine. >> and what we're hearing now from lviv is possibly two missile strikes and five people injured. you know better than i, the fog o

. >>> retired army lieutenant colonel vindman joining you. a board member with the renew democracy initiative. with us at the table a treat for us. jack crosbie for "rolling stone" and "time" magazine simon shuster is here. been back two days, right? from ukraine. the piece on the photographer is documenting the war is out now featured with two special covers this week. colonel vindman, the brutality, the unsparing nature of intentional bombing a theater where women and children are inside, it feels like the juncture of the war. is that fair? >> it is. russians -- russian armed forces notorious to strike hospitals, schools, theaters. this is unfortunately what i refer to as morale targets. looking to crush the will of the people and the will to resist. this is the way they fight the war. from their stand point there's a logic to it. the logic is war, a prolonged war is more disastrous than a short, sharp war. for them going to these extreme lengths we don't recognize -- so out of context in the west we wouldn't think about striking and do thi

. >> reporter: retired lieutenant colonel alexander vindman helped spearhead relations with ukraine andfor years. do you see the possibility of prolonged street warfare? could this turn into a guerrilla war? thinking could turn into a campaign that lasts easily weeks and months. does russia use its air power to beat off ukrainian power attacks or does russia negotiate what it couldn't achieve by force. >> reporter: in 2019, vindman memorably testified at trump's first impeachment try, saying he overheard the former president pushing zelenskyy to dig up dirt on the biden family by threatening to withhold military aid. in what way did it leave ukraine vulnerable? >> after the ukrainian scandal, ukraine became radioactive for the remainder of the trump administration that continued on frankly in my opinion through the biden administration. >> reporter: for the first time delegations from ukraine and russia met at the border with belarus, talking for six hours. so far no ceasefire. both sides agreeing to a second round in the future. the meeting comes as russia begins feeling the economic i

alexander vindman and general mccaffrey. see more of lester holter holt's interview tonight. >>> and president biden expected to announce $800 million in military aid to ukraine. joining me is a member of ukraine's parliament and youv been visiting some of the embattled cities in your country. tell us what strikes you as the most urgeabout right now, the biggest crisis. >> the reality that is dev station, street by street and it's towns not expecting anything of the sort unseen since the second world war. the reality is ja crane is the testing ground for humanity. >> we've heard reports from the president's office today that there was -- that the russians have taken control of a hospital in mariupol and that the patients there and -- i sume, medical staff are hostage, 400 people. can you give us any detail or conformation? >> mariupol is hell on earth. more than 20,000 casualties at the moment. that is happening because russians want to take the city at all costs. if you want clearer sign of all manner of war crimes, you nee

we'll turn to lieutenant colonel alexander vindman.e was the ukraine expert on the national security council under trump and will join us live. >>> and a short time ago, vice president kamala harris spoke in selma, alabama, addressing ukraine's struggle for democracy as she marked today's anniversary of bloody sunday. >> today the eyes of the world are on ukraine and the brave people who are fighting to protect their country and their democracy. and their bravery is a reminder that freedom and democracy can never be taken for granted by any of us. ♪ ♪ ♪a little bit of chicken fried♪ ♪cold beer on a friday night♪ ♪a pair of jeans that fit just right♪ ♪and the radio up well i've seen the sunrise...♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's trelegy for copd. [coughing] ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on by... ♪ if you've been playing down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, it's a new day,... ♪ ...it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. ♪...and i'm feelin' good

colonel vindman is right, if we can drive destroyers over to england in the night of the atlantic warrman submarines, we can fly in drones, any one of their small bases there, land them there and give them a drone control pod and reapers with hell fire missiles and let them operate it. i would say 20 would be enough with all the hll fire missiles they can carry. it time to start using this as a -- if we want to try to help the ukrainians as best, start experimenting a little. the russians did it and turkey did it with drones. maybe it time for drones to dominate the air including -- i'll reserve what i was just thinking there because it was very isis-like. for the most part, the united states needs to help these people and that's all they're asking for is a logistics pipeline that will not stop. i'm one of the few analysts that believes that ukraine can actually win this war by defeating all of the strategic objectives of the russians. they've already done it by stopping them at essentially not even their first major phase. so why not help them? >> it does seem just sort of, not as an

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colonel vindman is going to be on the show. we were in moscow during the first invasion in 2014 together. yeah, i mean, we have seen russian exercises. we've been to them. they're very big and elaborate cecil b. demille productions, choreographed, but not really stressed in maneuvering over long distances through hostile if you will terrain with 100, 150-mile full of trucks and jeeps and all of that supply chains that are being attacked and hounded every bit of the way by a really -- by population and ukrainian army that more and more are getting in this and making it hell for the russians. and this is happening in a number of places around ukrainian. russians where they concentrate are extremely powerful. everywhere else, they are incredibly vulnerable, and that's what we've seen. they've ground to a halt. the fact that they have stopped, the russians following soviet doctor, they wanted to thrust in and grab. remember, we all thought they were going to take kyiv, what, two to four days? here it is a month, and they still have

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. >> lieutenant colonel alexander vindman is the former director from european affairs on the national security council, and the author of the very important book, here, right matters. coming up, i will be joined by a member of the parliament for ukraine, one of the brave ukrainians fighting for their country. and after the break, we will go live to kyiv for a report on the situation on the ground in the capital. this is velshi from the ukrainian hungarian border. their only friend? the open road. i have friends. [ chuckles ] well, he may have friends, but he rides alone. that's jeremy, right there! we're literally riding together. he gets touchy when you talk about his lack of friends. can you help me out here? no matter why you ride, progressive has you covered with protection starting at $79 a year. well, we're new friends. to be fair. eh, still. ♪ ♪ ♪a little bit of chicken fried♪ ♪cold beer on a friday night♪ ♪a pair of jeans that fit just right♪ ♪and the radio up well i've seen the sunrise...♪ get 5 boneless wings for $1 with any handcrafted burger. only at applebee's (vo) small

let's welcome in retired general vindman. with me on set for two hours is john heilemann. from the region. your thoughts to everything we have heard today? >> it is -- i think the question i think that i want to jump ahead. i don't mean to but i want to jump ahead to sort of the we have -- everybody that predicted that it would look we have seen in the cities where the bombardment, the humanitarian crisis, the war crimes, what look on the face to be war crimes, targeting of civilians, it is all worse and now we talk about as we sit here on tinder hooks and you hear from everyone with military expertise say you can have a six to eight-week campaign of trying to take this city and it raises the question of no one -- everyone agrees vladimir putin can't win this war and yet the other piece is that the ukrainians don't seem like they will be strong enough without actual troops on the ground that are not just them to drive putin out. what are we headed for? are we looking at potentially months of a bloody quagmire? what's the -- i don't mean to try to -- everybody wants to get

joining us is european affairs director lieutenant colonel alexander vindman. now, first off, here we are still talking and the ukrainians have withheld russian advances. it just seems to be stalling out even in the south where they've been making progress last week. >> that's exactly right. the russians went through plan a, b, c. they're moving on to plan b. a was based on these false assumptions that the ukrainians would fold, that the russians would be able to achieve their political ob jikives through military force in the first couple days. that fell apart. plan b was really probably a slight innovation, trying to use additional force, start to bomb things and start to affect the morale of the ukrainian population. if anything, that's hardened the ukrainian population. now they're still trying to approach through these south, south and east axes on major cities, by passing them, not really holding ground, exposing logistics which is the largest portion of the military. it's not the combat forces that are fighting, but the logistics that support them. those

>> because that is my duty. >> colonel vindman, joining me now. good to have you.connection between putin's obsession with ukraine, it's sensuality, and his thinking, and the sensuality that displayed in american politics, through the person of trump, in the last four or five years? >> there is a direct could make, should frigidly. certainly, as let him or putin is taking the temperature on whether to conduct the offensive, he is taking the cues for a u.s. leadership, and former president, and the republican party, and resistance on whether it is a high cost. it is whether putin attempted to launch this war against ukraine. why by the cow when you get the milk for free? donald trump would have broken up nato, and frankly, putin would've gone after the balkans first, signaled there was more coming. on the other hand, he could've done this campaign, as he is doing now, and let the accolades roman from donald trump as they have. but, frankly, donald trump, and his administration, is part of a long press this for how we ended up with this world war. that it was mismana

i'm joined by lieutenant colonel alexander vindman from the u.s.l, senior advisor of vote vets. lieutenant colonel, what do you make of that? a russian state tv person calling donald trump their partner and saying they would like to change the regime and help their partner trump get in again and to add to that, russian state media made a habit of boasting about the successful operation to get trump in office brazenly asserting trump is ours mocking the american intelligence committee while they elected a u.s. president and travel to russia to make deals with our hackers so they could rig the midterms in favor of trump's team. putting aside whether or not we find those factual because the russian government doesn't tell the truth and russian state tv doesn't, what do you make of them calling trump a partner and they'd like him back in office and would like to help? >> there is a sincerity in that comment. if they prefer joe biden to donald trump in office, you could kiss nato good-bye. you could kiss any kind of any harsh response to russian aggress

joeng me now to discuss a former lieutenant colonel alexander vindman the author of "here right mattersy says the fighter jet deal is not tenable and fighter jets departing a u.s. nato base to fly into contested air space with russia raises concerns for the entire nato alliance. is he right and is the cautious approach in the united states' best interests? >> it's not. it is some sort of absurd game of not it. in the same statement and i admire admiral kirby he also said poland is free to go ahead and push the aircraft over the border directly. but of course we all know poland is also a member of nato so that logic not very sound. the problem fundamentally is this was supposed to occur in kind of covert channels, a secretive transfer of aircraft that became public. but in so doing, we're now risking the ability to transfer these aircraft that are vitally important to ukraine instead are figuring out a creative way of getting there. and also fundamentally misplacing our fears about somehow escalating this conflict. the belief, the misplaced belief that russia is going to respond to nato

reasons we even note about that phone call is because of national security official named alexander vindman he was listening to it live, he knew it was wrong. he knew -- and reported it up his chain of command and testified to the united states congress hearing on the impeachment of donald trump. joining us now is alexander vindman, he was a ukraine expert on the national security council and a witness to president trump's impeachment hearings. it's an honor to have you back with us. in your book, titled here right matters, you detail this specific matter, the fact that you had provided -- you and your cohorts at the white house and the national security council, have provided guidance and advice that president trump was supposed to have red and taken to say, you need to do very little for ukraine right now, the congressional aide had already been approved and was on his way to ukraine. all you need to do is show this man support so that he can stand up against vladimir putin. donald trump didn't do that. we >> that's right. he attempted to extort an investigation into his chief rival at th

one of the things colonel vindman just said to me, while your neighbors are nato countries they are alsoare greater than they are now. what's your response to that? how many more people need to die or what need to happen before you think your nato or your european neighborless give you what you're asking for? >> yesterday was declared official figure that more than 1,300 ukrainian soldiers were killed and definitely more than 1,000 civilians were killed, and i want to cite the words of the former president, when it was said if you do not support ukraine now, you will fight in your own country. this is their approach of putin, and putin decleared the war to nato. not to ukraine. to the whole western world and ukraine now fighting here towards nato. for all the west. ukraine may be paying the biggest price we can ever imagine. there are tons of blood of ukrainian people and tons of, thousands of -- of ukraiian soldiers. we need not just nato item or seamen just military jet, mig-29, and with this situation i think that nobody knows who would be the next. if tomorrow he want to build up the

. >>> joining me right now is retired army colonel, alexander vindman, former director of the european affairs. and author of the "new york times" best selling book "here right matters," good to see you again. i was watching you watch that interview that molly hunter conducted with that mother and her 9-year-old daughter. i saw you blinking a little bit. i know you're a ukrainian. it has got to be so hard to listen to these stories from these innocent people that are fleeing this unprovoked aggression and really turning their lives upside down. what strikes you in your heart and your mind as you listen to this? >> well, i came here when i was 4 years old, and i grew up as an american. that's really the only thing i understand, but i think this whole experience is awakened or kindled a, you know, a dna of sorts, a deeper history for my family's roots in that part of the country. i take great pride in the ukrainian people and their fierce resistance, their ability to withstand these brutal attacks from the second most powerful military in the world, and you know, my heart goes out to the

i watched an interview with alexander vindman. i believe he is a ukrainian national, he and his family emigrated to brooklyn, he said you could have ukrainian pilots go to poland and fly the planes from poland to ukraine. that would be the best way to handle it. i think that if you put a no-fly zone, it is going to end up leaving, going to world war iii. i also want to piggyback off of a couple of previous callers. we spend half our gdp on military spending. we spent -- we send lots of money, billions, to saudi arabia, bombing using our planes, bombing yemen. where is the outcry on that war? people are starving in yemen. because it is not in europe? because it is not a white country, per se? that is something people have to think about. thank you. host: presidents biden spoke yesterday and vladimir putin spoke to his citizens yesterday. bloomberg put together clips of what he had to say and russian. so, read the captions below. [speaking foreign host:host: the headline on his remarks, acknowledging that the economy is hurting, san

host: alexander vindman, the director of the european affairs for the national security council, hasn op-ed, "how to up our game in ukraine." he says the partnership could be grounded into the existing nato commission, the decision-making body responsible for the relationship and other existing institutions. a cornerstone of the approach would be a new version of the marshall plan to rebuild ukraine's economy and a 21st century of the lend lease act. it goes on, but what do you think about it? guest: he's a creative guy. and i think that i'm glad to see this in the public arena. i do not know if lend lease makes sense right now. steve wiseman advocating -- has been advocating for that for several years now. it's not a bad way to strengthen ukraine's morale and to tell putin it will only get worse, so he better back away. when i look at it that way i think it is a sensible approach. as for the marshall plan, i would be surprised if there is not kind of marshall plan once russian troops leave ukraine because the sympathy for ukraine and recognition of the importance of ukraine is at an

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. >> we had alexander vindman saying he would want to see the missiles the u.s. has not place t ed in poland. do you believe that would be an undo escalation if the u.s. were to supply those to the ukrainians? >> well, at this point, i think supplied it to the ukrainians for their use. i don't think that would cause a direct escalation between the united states, nato and russia. we have been providing javelins which are killing their tanks. we provide stairs which are knocking down airplanes and the patriot would give a little more protection against the airlines and against the missiles. i don't see that as provoking a nato-russia stand off. >> as you just said, our military experts have been wrong. they have underestimated vladmir putin in terms of his willingness to escalate and does that mean that there's an in inevitablety that he will go nuclear, up the ante here? >> first of all, let's stipulate i'm one of those analysts that has been wrong all along. i never thought he would lower himself to this cravenness, depravity and brutality. they do not see this f

you heard this between lucy and i, your husband alexander vindman were at the center discussion.ied to do a little clean up here saying the congressman was expressing thinks pleasure with a lot of leaders but i will let the leaders to decide themselves. this is congressman's hawthorne out of north carolina. take a listen. >> remember zelenskyy, remember the ukrainian government is incredibly corrupt and evil and been pushing all kinds of ideologies. >> it is kind of wild to see these are the same people having all the empathy for ukraine, what do you think? >> well, thank you for having me first of all and hi lucy. what i think is they're quite stupid. that would be my analysis. they say stupid things because they are stupid people. they have to walk it back because they don't appreciate what they said and they then you know get themselves in a whole heat of trouble. that is part of the issue. also, when you don't base the things you say on reality, they are not tethered to any kind of facts then it is easy to lose the thread. that's another thing that's happening with them. in a

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congressman, one of the things that was interesting about the hearing today was the testimony -- as colonel vindman pictures and discussion of the refugees, the ukrainians are holding out better than anyone expected, including u.s. intelligence. things are still looking possible for them. how do you evaluate this, we've had people say, look, they're performing better than expected, but they can hold out against the russian army? >> i think that is fair to say, the ukrainians have put up a resistance that nobody expected. i think they're over performing all expectations, but at the same time, they need more supplies. they need more intelligence, they need more armaments. i'm glad that we have provided one billion dollars worth of armaments, just in the last 6 to 7 months. the pace is accelerate to such an extent that there are certain airfields in the eastern part of poland that are diverting cargo flights because they are so full, they're having trouble keeping up with the shipments. we have to continue, with this pace, as long as possible. the ukrainians do have hope of prevailing, maybe sooner th

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. >> i'm wondering, fareed, i don't know if you got to listen to lieutenant colonel alexander vindmanhe was on my program just a short time ago. you may have been getting ready -- >> i did, yes. >> did you hear what he said that he believes the u.s. is wrong when it comes to the airplanes and turning poland down? he also believes that putin has not been held accountable. he doesn't believe that he will escalate to the use of nuclear weapons. and he also believes a no-fly zone -- and i'm paraphrasing here. but if you heard him, what's your response to his response? >> look, i think the united states should lean forward, should be more aggressive. i think -- they're debating in each of these cases in washington what is the most effective way to do what needs to be done. those planes are russian planes. by which i mean russian manufactured. maybe there are better ideas to do it. i get the sense the administration is trying as hard as it can to supply the ukrainian military with all the best weapons they can get. on the no-fly zone i still do think that, you know, something that we develo

i know colonel alexander vindman talked about, why don't we send in drones? are there other types of weapons to be fubnneled in to help ukrainians even things out a bit more? >> i don't know the state of play there. whether covertly or otherwise that that sort of thing isn't being provided either directly or indirectly. we have a lot of reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft flying in the area. obviously, they're looking into ukraine. so i'm sure we're doing everything we can. i certainly would be if i were still the dni to make they're ukrainians get all the information they could possibly get, particularly if it helps them kill russians f. srussians >> if this drags on week after week and see the humanitarian toll, a total nightmare beyond where we are now, the white house says, no boots on the ground. we're not going to war with russia and so on. i ask this of a guest earlier, ru ru rubin -- ruben gallego talked about it earlier. you can't shoot rockets at nuclear power plants and indiscriminately wipe people out? >> i think powerful images that are port

former ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch, ambassador, thanks for waiting, colonel alexander vindmanaid there's essentially a direct line between what happened on that july 2019 phone call between donald trump and president volodymyr zelenskyy, and what we're seeing now. he believed donald trump weakened zelenskyy by withholding a white house meeting, and military aid, at the exact time when he needed the most. two and a half years later, how damaging was that whole incident, in which you also became involved to the standing and potential success of president zelenskyy in ukraine right now? >> well, there is no question that that whole series of events really damaged the trust between two countries. so lewinsky had been, a non-politician, he'd been a politician. this is one of his first experiences in international relations, he said that after that he didn't trust anyone. it was quite damaging, and more than that i think in the transcripts were released, others like president putin could see the contempt with which president trump was dealing with president zelenskyy. i think that i

got to meet some of these incredible public servants like bill taylor and fiona hill and alexander vindmanheroic wartime leader. this is the same zelenskyy that donald trump was essentially trying to extort by withholding hundreds of millions in military aid that ukraine needed to fight the russians. because you know, what many people may not realize is this has been a long simmering conflict in which ukrainians have been dying every week, sometimes every day, for years. and to imagine now that we see what ukraine is going through, that the former president so abused ukraine by withholding military aid to try to get ukraine to smear his opponent, it just shows how appalling and destructive that act was. >> well, and he was also destructive toward the individuals who brought to light the attempted extortion of president zelenskyy. colonel vindman now is available to help explain this war to the public, because he's not in the government anymore, and others left their posts, the brain drain that resulted from donald trump's conduct there. i wonder what you think about the fact that you are s

secretary, one line response to alexander vindman who apparently said earlier this is inevitable.e for a one line response. >> not inevitable. americans could have done a lot more to create real deterrence is to stop vladimir putin from doing what he was doing. it was his warp at the west could have done a lot more a lot sooner. >> laura: mr. secretary, an alarm about the cbp. that is it for tonight and tune in tomorrow night 12:00 live coverage of ♪ ♪ [speaking non-english language] [car alarms]

. >> somebody told me yesterday, alexander vindman told me yesterday, it's been echoed through the ukrainian government, and that is that things didn't seem likely two weeks ago are a reality today. and things that do not seem likely two weeks from now will be a reality than. this thing is moving very quickly. and the rate at which the russians continue to up the ante, and the things they're doing including to be the shelling of civilians in residential properties, the killing of civilians. the starts of on to the category of war crimes. does that motivate needles thinking? >> well, i think we should use this to start conversations where we consider things. just like you said, swift was off the table, off the table, until it was back on the table. and i would say, right now, any form of a no fly zone, and you know now we're trying to talk about is a humanitarian issue. a much less belligerent operation that might be acceptable, and lower risks. but i think that these are off the table. clearly, our leadership of said they have been. and so, well level of atrocities? while level of criminal b

and joining our discussion now is former lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, who served as director of european affairs at the national security council during the trump administration. thank you for joining us. i want to get to this targeting of a children's hospital. in war there are targeting errors, it happens. hospitals get hit, it happens. but when it happens, responsible parties come out and immediately say that we missed targeted, that that was a mistake, it was a targeting error. they immediately account for it when these things have been. we have heard nothing from russia. and when you don't come out and say, that was a targeting error, after you've hit a hospital, there -- you have a right to wonder and believe that it was a deliberate target. what is your assessment of this kind of targeting by the russians? >> russia does not get the benefit of the doubt. russia is engaged in this kind of warfare repeatedly, whether that is raising razing the city of grozny in the church in war, or whether that's breaking the morale and the will to resist. it has been known to strike mo

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even leaders condemning vindman putin's actions those attacks continue on for ukraine president -- i can tell you he's pushing today talk to members of congress to do more asking for a no-fly zone nato is not done that yet. that is the issue today we seen so many people across the nation and here in new york city calling for more support. these people specifically to your calling for the united states to do more to cut up buying oil from russia and do more to make changes starting right now, eric. arthel: says russia continued to devastating assault on ukraine, china at russia's biggest partners for the most part staying on the sideline refusing to outright condemn putin's invasion toward both russia becoming more financially isolate it by the day, important question, while this only strengthen their partnership or could it prove to be a major turning point? gordon chang author of the coming collapse of china with his analysis coming up next. welcome to the eat fresh refresh at subway wait, that's new wait, you're new too nobody told you? subway's refreshing with better ingredients,

out front now, retired lieutenant colonel alexander vindman.know him and he is a friend of the former governor, who worked with him on the video message. also, now the former director for european affairs for the united states' national security council. and, colonel, i really, so much appreciate your being with me tonight. i -- you know, when this first came out yesterday and i watched it several times in a row, it is an incredibly powerful message from arnold schwarzenegger. um, i know that it took six days from writing it to publishing it according to "the washington post." tell me how it came about. >> well, arnold was looking for a way to be helpful in this matter. and i -- this is my area of expertise so i figured i could offer some assistance and helping move this to fruition. but mainly, he just knew that he had an opportunity to speak to the ukrainian -- to the russian people, that he has a strong, long relationship with. that he's one of the few voices that probably would resonate with a large portion of the russian public and the --

. >> colonel vindman, thank you, i know your own family's refugee experience, which informs all of what you're saying today. that does it for this special saturday edition of andrea mitchell reports. alex witt continues our coverage right now. alex. t now. alex >>> our thanks to andrea mitchell as we bid all of you a very good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome everyone to "alex witt reports," 6:00 p.m. in kyiv, and notably 5:00 p.m. in poland, that is what you're seeing right now. president biden getting ready to deliver what is being described as a major speech in warsaw. but as the president met today with officials from poland, and ukraine, and with ukrainian refugees, who have escaped, just 200 miles away in lviv. nbc news correspondents were on the air when air-raid sirens and explosions rang out. >> you see some smoke in the distance, and that appears to be coming from the site where just a few minutes ago we heard at least one explosion here in lviv. we don't have confirmation on exactly what was hit. we're trying to find that out right now. >> ukrainian offi

vindman. thank you. and book tv's live coverage of the tucson festival of books continues beginning now. it's an author discussion on the opioid epidemic. opioid epidemic your calls and we're talking with author evan hughes. who is the author of this book the hard sell crime and punishment at an opioid startup mr. hughes when it comes to opioids and the epidemic so much of the press has gone to purdue pharma and the sackler family white. why is that? yeah, so so purdue pharma really played a role in starting the epidemic with oxycontin the story that i'm telling you in this book is about a scrappy startup that comes along later called instance therapeutics and it it have lives in the world that purdue made it takes the playbook and extends it even farther in the aggressive marketing of these painkillers, and it's also what separates it from purdue is this is a story of true accountability where for the first time these are the first top executives at pharmaceutical company to be criminally charged in con