. >> well, that wa angel merkel. clearly going to have an effect between the u.s. the e.u. >> i wanted to ask you, how it is playing across the ocean on your side. of the at lang tick. the understanding that every nation in the world spies on every other nation, and yet on your side of the ocean, there is considerable outrage, what is the difference between the opinions of the two countries and the two sides of the atlanti atlantic? >> very good -- >> to think that people like angel merkel, president of france, and other leaders gathering here in buts sells european leaders were not aware of the fact that the national security agency might well have been listening in to conversations of their citizens. not only suspected terrorists but perhaps political leaders and people from the world of business. by of course listening in too perhaps the most powerful woman in the world, who lived under a communist regime, and was well aware that the kind of totalitarianism that ensues from that kind of listening in operation, and it's pointed being raised already, is another ma