i like waterboarding. it is not tough enough.as clearly been labeled by everyone as inhumane torture. that's not what we're about. i understand the concern that secretary clinton sometimes may seem too measured. i saw a lot of compassion and empathy and concern in her statements. but we're talking about international terror here. at home and abroad. what we need to keep us not just safe as a country but united and not in a state of panic as a country. which is incredibly important. as somebody who will be thoughtful. who isn't going to make pronouncements that something is terror when they don't know if it was. when people will shoot off at the hip that the answer is to block an entire religion. so i actually, whatever the polls show now, terror is a tragically growing and terrifying thing in this world. and that i know americans hear more of donald trump's bombastic racist inhumane, and in this case, really terror based ideas. they're going to know hillary is the right person. >> okay. that's clearly what the clinton people are

i like waterboarding. it is not tough enough.learly been labeled by everyone as inhumane torture. that's not what we're about. i understand the concern that secretary clinton sometimes may seem too measured. i saw a lot of compassion and empathy and concern in her statements. but we're talking about international terror here. at home and abroad. what we need to keep us not just safe as a country but united and not in a state of panic as a country. which is incredibly important. as somebody who will be thoughtful. who isn't going to make pronouncements that something is terror when they don't know if it was. when people will shoot off at the hip that the answer is to block an entire religion. so i actually, whatever the polls show now, terror is a tragically growing and terrifying thing in this world. and that i know americans hear more of donald trump's bombastic racist inhumane, and in this case, really terror based ideas. they're going to know hillary is the right person. >> okay. that's clearly what the clinton people are hopi

>> we can't do waterboarding.t the nicest thing but it is peanuts to many alternatives. they probably think we are weak, we are stupid, we don't know what we are doing. we have no leadership. you have to fight fire with fire. >> from paris to orlando and now istanbul, ever are i time there's a terrorist attack it remind us how dhafrnt responses would be if they were the person in the ole' office. they have a chance before he leaves for canada. he will be leaving in about three hours. >>> the attackers strategically choose one of the biggest airports in the world bombing departure and arrival gates. >> let's turn once again to fox news contributor and former white house security council staff under presidents bush and obama gillian turner. she was just in it istanbul this past may. let's start there. were you concerned? >> i spent a week in turkey in may traveled in and out of ataturk international airport during that time. it is a very secure airport. you have to go through security check right as you walk into th

i said what you think about waterboarding?like it a lot and i don't think it's tough enough . heather: let's bring in angela mclennan, a political analyst and santina jackson, radio talkshow host and a fox news contributor. hello to both of you. two very different responses to the attacks in istanbul, hillary clinton advocating for diplomacy and donald trump saying fight fire with fire, waterboarding and more. angela, who's right? >> i'm for stopping the terrorists by any means necessary. i think they're both right. you need diplomacy dealing with our allies and with some of our allies, america right now is being weak because of the failed policy of the obama administration but again, i do not have any sympathy for terrorists because they don't have before the infidel so both are right and i'm with donald, you should waterboarding them. heather: sent you? >>wow, invoking malcom x x, v going to do ? your frightening me girl. this is fear mongering at its best. 90 percent of all terrorists acts are carried forth on our soul are

some can handle the threat of money or waterboarding. money and pain.ey have a different motivation, so taking it out, it just reduces our ability and it's bad thing. >> pete, so ben's saying we want to leave that on a table as an available means, a recourse to be able to extract information. and so much of this is to try to prevent these terror attacks we saw in turkey and real-time intelligence capturing that we might be able to capture or detain to prevented these actions. >> ben's right. we've gotten intelligence that led us frankly partly to osama bin laden. i'm with ben. i can't imagine what he went through and i have respect for his position as a result, but in this particular case, i'm with donald trump. our values -- we can maintain our values while still ruthlessly going after isis. they think we're weak and don't have the stomach. we don't torture for torture's sake but we'd better enhance our techniques. we're going to need that intelligence, especially in a world where they're hitting us in soft targets across the globe. so he's right. >> a

waterboarding. so donald trump has been talking about waterboarding. the u.s. banned it.john mccain, said he opposes torture, as you can imagine why. why is mr. trump so in favor of waterboardi waterboarding. >> he is in favor of enhanced interrogation techniques. we've looked at this in the campaign. we do have laws right now that exist that constrain those actions. i think the president still has authority under certain circumstances to impose and enhance interrogation techniques. we fully understand that. having been trained and having been water boarded myself, it is the most unpleasant thing i've ever endured in my life, and -- >> so what does he think mr. trump will get out of this? though despite the fact that the fbi and many in the cia said it never produced actionable intelligence? >> well, i don't know that is actually accurate. i think you have opinions on the fact that it may not have developed that but i think it is a matter of opinion on whether or not it worked or didn't work. because there are other reports out there that say it did work. it led to action

a draft memo shows before the waterboarding began, the c.i.a. wanted attorney general john ashkroft to state in writing he would not prosecute anyone for what they were about to do. in a cable from the secret prison where abu zubaydah was held, said he must never be allowed to tell what happened. "we need to get reasonable assurances that subject will remain in isolation and incommunicado for the remainder of his life." abu zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times, but an evaluation by the c.i.a.'s office of medical services are said, probably reached the point of cooperation even prior to the institution of enhanced measures." the same office of medical services also pointed out what appears to be a glaring conflict of interest. psychologists who had a say into whether the enhanced interrogation should continue were getting paid $1800 for each day they worked. eventually, the c.i.a. stopped using some of the harsher techniques. the c.i.a. director told his staff president bush was, "concerned about the image of a detainee chained to the ceiling, clot

he's back to waterboarding. >> you know, we have laws they don't have laws. we can't do waterboarding. but they can do chopping off heads, drowning people in steel cages. they can do whatever they want to do. you know, they eat dinner like us. can you imagine them sitting around the table or wherever they're eating their dinner, talking about the americans don't do waterboarding, and yet we chop off heads? they probably think we're weak, we're stupid, we don't know what we're doing, we have no leadership. you know, you have to fight fire with fire. >> rick wilson, john mccain tried to explain to donald trump once again today that it's against the geneva conventions, waterboarding is a war crime. but there's no getting through to him on this. >> look, i mean, this is a guy who suggested that we kill innocent civilians who are related to people who commit terrorism. look, there are plenty of things to critique, the obama administration, hillary clinton on foreign policy, and on the way we've dealt with isis. but no one in their right mind thinks adopting things

i think waterboarding is a tough tactic.hat is utilized in the training of our special forces, like navy s.e.a.l.s. i knew several journalists who went out and were waterboarded when this first came up because they wanted to see what it was like so they could write articles about it. we don't have people, you know -- people don't tear out their fingernails in order to be able to write an article about fingernails being torn out. so i think waterboarding is complicated, but it's not the main point. the main point is all this data is out there and public and available and used for marketing and so forth by business. we need to have a public-private partnership in which the government and the companies that work in these areas can work together for essentially the needs of the country as a whole. we need to get into the mentality we were in shortly after december 7th of 1941. >> understood. that's an ongoing political discussion that we've been having in this country. each event resets that debate. thank you very much for your

, which was banned in 2009. >> they said what do you think about waterboarding? i said i like it a lot, i don't think it's tough enough. we have to be so strong. we have to fight so viciously, and violently, because we're dealing with violent people. vicious, people. and you know, they eat dinner like us. can you imagine them sitting around the table or wherever they're eating their dinner, talking about the americans don't do waterboarding and yet we chop off heads. they probably think we're weak, we're stupid, we don't know what we're doing, we have no leadership. you know, you have to fight fire with fire. >> trump returned to pennsylvania steel country yesterday to speak out against the globalism punishing the american worker. vowing economic independence. with a plan that would withdraw the u.s. from the trans-pacific partnership, renegotiate or withdraw from nafta, label china a currency manipulator and impose new tariffs and taxes to punish bad behavior. trump took direct aim at the global financial elite claiming hillary clinton would protect the status q

what he has said today is he would go back to torture, to waterboarding. doing things like that, doubling down on making sure in a muslims can't come to this country, dividing people against people is exactly what we do not need. we do not want to give our enemies ammunition for recruitment. we do not want donald trump to be a tool in isis's quiver to be able to fact further -- >> look at what happened with hillary clinton's approach in libya worked. look at the report on benghazi. we know the approach didn't work, didn't want to have certain artillery going into benghazi, even though it was being asked for and requested. now, that is a weak-kneed response. she has been wrong on libya, she's been wrong on syria, they have been wrong in this approach and this is why we are seeing the spread of isis. you have someone who exercises leadership who knows how to bring people together and make decisions and you have hillary clinton, who has not been able to make a decision to actually fight these terrorist groups. >> governor, i have just a few moments, if you co

what is worse than waterboarding? what does he mean by fighting fire with fire?e thing to say in a casual conversation. it is another if you are the president of the united states. what does that mean? >> i think that is a good cerebral analysis of the situation. that may not be the instinctive appeal that he is coming up with for so many voters. the answer to your question on when he would get to specifics is probably convention speech. if not convention speech it would come up in the fall debates when he will be asked more pointed questions about it. >> does it play at all to hillary clinton's point about donald trump's temperament and not being ready to lead this country when you hear a statement such as we heard yesterday and such a contrast to when he is on a script versus what he is willing to say just a few hours later as a visceral reaction to things. >> donald trump won his primary by making the sort of appeals he is now making. he believes that that is the way to reach his voters. hillary clinton supporters, i think, want a much deeper analysis, want mo

we can't do waterboarding. but they can do dropping off heads and they can do whatever they want to do. >> john, react to what you saw from hillary clinton and donald trump. >> look, i think the first thing to say is that we thought for a long time now that this is going to be an election where security is the dominant theme and as these terror attacks ramped up i'm sure you saw that story in the "l.a. times" which accounted all of april. 858 people killed in the month of april around the world. this is going to be, the dream beat, i think, now all the way through to november. you have both hillary clinton and donald trump are confident that their approach, politically on this issue, benefits them. trump, i'm the strong man. clinton, i'm the confident woman. i think for people who think that trump is a danger as commander in chief, those kinds of words will fuel people to make the criticism that the idea we should fight fire with fire and sink to the terrorists levels and somehow the moral sup superiority shoul

. >> so we can't do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads. fire with fire. >> plus the terrorists calling carr the attack terribly familiar to the destruction we saw in brussels just three months ago. our report. ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me, no no,♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight rider,♪ ♪yeaaahh... ♪but i'm not gonna let 'em catch me nooo♪ ♪not gonna let 'em catch the midnight riiiiiiiideer!♪ >>> breaking news, the death toll rising in the airport terror attack. we now at least 42 people were killed in istanbul and here at home both donald trump and hillary clinton wasted no time in responding. moments ago, donald trump speaking and blaming hillary clinton for the rise of isis. >> isis was formed during her tenure. isis is now worse than ever. you see what happened yesterday. you see what's going on generally. isis is looking strong. >> dana bash is "out front." >> reporter: the way the two presumptive presidential nominees are responding to turkey's terror attacks shows one of the starkest differences between them. >> isis is

including donald trump's call to bring waterboarding back and to fight fire with fire. three people are still unaccounted for after freight trains collide and fall like dominos next to a growing fire ball. flames continue to block efforts to find the missing. >>> plus, a scary scene as an armed man approaches the white house and a whole lot more on a busy wednesday. "first look" starts right now. >>> good morning, everybody and thanks for joining us. i'm betty nguyen. three suicide bombers attacked a istanbul's busy international airport last night, killing 36 and wounding more than 140. turkish officials suspect isis militants orchestrated that attack. it is the latest of several bombings to strike turkey in recent months. the attacks have increased in scale. now, this latest attack comes two years to the day that abu bakr al baghdadi declared the caliphate across europe. and with ramadan approaching there are new fears last night's massacre is one in a series of oncoming attacks. nbc's matt bradley is live in london. good morning, matt. what else can you tell us about

they said what do you think about waterboarding.t a lot, i don't think it's tough enough. you know, you have to fight fire with fire. >> reporter: i should tell you that right after he made that statement, you have to fight fire with fire, it was met with a huge applause here. i heard one woman out here tonight who really sort of summed up what a lot of people in the room were sort of thinking when he said that, which is we have heard about one terrorist attack after another. i really, she said, i really feel like this is the man who sets the right tone for this country. >> yesterday, we heard from the trump campaign, from sources saying that trump was going to change his stance on banning all muslims temporarily from entering the u.s. until they figure out what the heck is going on. did he mention that at all today? >> reporter: no mention of that here tonight. and you have to wonder, since he mentioned about the united states being smarter, being tougher, what essentially does that mean. does it mean banning all muslims like he sa

congress passed an amendment to prohibit waterboarding under recommendation of military leaders. director and joint chiefs of staff chairman said they would refuse in order to conduct waterboarding. would you advise whoever the next president will be to abide frome law and refrain waterboarding and other tactics? >> i would advise the next commander in chief and all people who serve in the military to abide by the law. i do not believe the military will carry out an order that goes contrary to the law. i would also advise that as commander-in-chief to quit talking about it. quit saying what we are not going to do. whether it comes to interrogations or military activities or whatever. we have gone overboard in ruling out all sorts of options which only simplify the enemies calculations. i am not for putting a bunch of things and long that we are not going to do. i am for leaving them guessing. i think that is more effective. thank you. from the state department. thank you for the time. you talk a little bit about the united nations in your vision statement. you talk a little bit a

the next please wants to waterboard will have to bring his own bucket.i would get on the phone with mike heyden and find out what experts think on this question. that's the very point of the piece today. why isn't he on the phone with policy experts? if terrorism is an opportunity for donald trump to fix his political problem, which is that he needs to close the gender gap, he needs to get more married women to trust him on national security, more than they trust hillary clinton, why isn't he spending the same amount of time he spoenls twitter and on tv, talking to really smart policy people like mike heyden or jim woolsey who innings is coming on your show next. >>> what do you think of ted cruz' posture at this point? whether it is smart for him? >> the largest growing group of voters is republicans in the senate. and their group is undecided. mike lee said yesterday morning, that he is not sure he will endorse. when generjeb bush said he woul vote, it is now a lot of flak. >> is cruz paying a price for anybody by saying, i don't know what i'm going to

particularly starting with the bringing back waterboarding and a lot worse.hat's your reaction to that? >> i wrote an article in the blog site about that -- about that trump statement. at the time i was doing research and i was looking at what japanese torturers did to people they captured. they had a list of ten different things and at the top was waterboarding and then pulling out fingernails. i said you want do worse than waterboarding which of the nine things are you going to add to the menu. i can't believe we're going down that road. >> you say that my understanding is you've obviously been in the armed forces for your career in a nonpolitical capacity but as a citizen you've been a republican and this is the first time you're going to vote for a democrat. how did you come to that you're going to vote for hillary clinton. >> i could lay out the reasons why i don't think trump should be president but since i don't think he should be president it's my duty to make sure that i do something to make that outcome less likely and the only way we can do that is

. >> go for waterboarding and go tougher than waterboarding.n: trump claims jeb bush lied about weapons of mass destruction and mocked prisoners of war like john mccain, trump says he likes planned parenthood and health care. this infuriates lots of republicans, so a movement has grown called never trump. they have no headquarters but all over the internet, and the media. their first goal is to stop trump from winning the nomination. obviously, they've lost, that so now they're talking about finding a third-party candidate to support instead of trump. brian bartlett is a never trump ethe former war roomer for romney's campaign. he's got the nominee. >> still a long time between now and november. john, we're going to see what happens, the american people want to see another option. the polling shows it, "washington post" poll, 44%, 47%, americans want to see a third party option. john: he has qualities, good supreme court picks. i like he's politically incorrect and wants our allies to pay for their own defense. >> we don't know where he is on t

a politician here at home, donald trump igniting a new firestorm by calling for the return of waterboarding. nbc's hallie jackson has more. >> reporter: donald trump, in the spotlight, in maine late today, and across the border in canada, where all three north american leaders were peppered with questions about the presumptive nominee. >> that's nativism or xena phobia or worse or cynicism. >> the relationship between our three countries goes far deeper than any individual leaders. >> reporter: concerns internationally and here at home about trump's policies. like his renewed call for torture against terrorists. >> you can do anything you want and the more vicious you are the better. so we can't do waterboarding, which is -- it's not the nicest thing but peanuts compared to many alternatives, right? >> now, new backlash within his own party. senator john mccain, a former prisoner of war. >> it's not the united states of america, it's not what we are all about. it's not what we are. >> reporter: for months, after paris and san bernardino and after orlando, trump stuck to his strategy, take t

it describes how senior people at the agency believed waterboarding was "silverr bullllet" and rapidlyalate o it.. the whole torture program, when it finally became troubled -- public, was cararully calibrated.. they would only do what they needed to do to get people to cooperate. the reality was that thing like that. they would merely go to the worst possible thing they could do -- would medially go to the worst possible thing they could do. you can talk about the men being waterboarded 83 times and the fact they would say he would talk before the torture. >> remarkable thing, a lot of people think the cia program, you know, it would only go to torture when they knew someone was holding information. a ticking time bomb, whatever. the thing is, they don't know that going into it. abu zubaydah, they do not know who he was. they were convinced was the number three person in al qaeda. some of the new transcript we have our the testimony he gave back guantanamo in whi he says, even the cia tells them, we made a big mistake with you. , the waybig mistake the cia operated is yet the people o

deirdre: i want to ask you for your take on donald trump's comments on waterboarding. here it is. >> so we can't do waterboarding, it is not the nicest thing but peanuts compared to many alternatives, right? deirdre: what do you make of that? >> we only used waterboarding a couple of times and it was effective in getting some information. some people believe that it is torture. others do not because it does not actually imperil a person and put them at risk of death. just scares them and makes them think they are going to die. i don't know that it is torture if you scare somebody. i think it is torture if you really do put them at very edge of death. but let's be very clear. we're not dealing with people who are working under the geneva convention. we're not fighting an enemy who sits down and says, well, let's see how, we use very sharp knife when we cut someone's head off. deirdre: not at all. >> yeah. deirdre: governor, thank you so much. glad to have you -- >> thank you, deirdre. deirdre: to let us borrow your wisdom. governor huckabee with me there. >>> u.s. airpo

the new records also show a prisoner who was waterboarded 83 times was likely willing to cooperate witherrogators before the torture. the account from medical personnel who helped with the first waterboarding of abu zubaydah deals a major blow to the cia's insistence it gained crucial information through torture. zubaydah said he made up fake terrorist plots in order to stop the abuse. amy: another partially declassified document reveals president bush was uneasy about what the agency was doing. one 2006 memo read -- "the president was concerned about the image of a detainee, chained to the ceiling, clothed in a diaper and forced to go to the bathroom on themselves." joining us now is dror ladin, an attorney with the american civil liberties union who helped win the release of these documents. welcome to democracy now! what did you find? >> we found so much more evidence of what everyone already knows, which is the cia torture program was not at all some scientific method of getting information from that people who would only give it up under torture. instead, it was an exercise in brut

, is there any sort of, as he said -- >> not for waterboarding but frankly the one guy who was wateroarded a lot of times was bin laden's chief of staff and we used a good deal about some  operations planned against us from him. on some things it's a tough call. >> adding to the bizarre political climate are moments like this. take a look. >> you know elizabeth warren, right? >> so he's mocking senator elizabeth warren who has said she has a small amount of native american blood. he doesn't believe her. it's a little bit surreal but what do you see when you see that? >> it's deeply offensive. come on, guys, let's grow up. this was a warmup act i guess for a supporter of donald trump who was going after the pocahontas stuff. if trump is within striking distance of winning the most serious office in the world and he would benefit so much if he did turn toward this and become the more serious trump and not become the old trump. and when his followers and guys like this act like this, i think it demeans everybody. it demeans our politics. i'm actually encouraged about the way the genera

trump: we cannot do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads.hey can do whatever they want. you have to fight fire with fire. mark: late this afternoon, on twitter, trump added to what he was saying, "isis exploded on hillary clinton's watch. she has done nothing about it and never will. not capable." so john a bit of a case study , for us to look at how these two potential presidents have reacted to an international crisis. who seems to be handling it better, clinton or trump? john: the only thing we can say at this point is that trump is handling it more aggressively and energetically. he has been much louder on the topic than hillary clinton has been. i am not sure, he clearly feels confident this is a winning issue for him. it's not 100% clear to me saying we have to become like the terrorists in order to beat them is necessarily either true, or a winning argument politically in the long run. mark: george w. bush was very aggressive rhetorically as the commander-in-chief as an incumbent, and basically helped himself in the election against j

as for waterboarding he said that is not tough enough. suggested that terrorists see us trying to fight back within international law and they are effectively laughing at us. donald trump said under him he will make sure we fight fire with fire. >> you are watching president obama plane wheels down about 25 minutes ago arriving in ottawa. this is the north american leaders summit taking place. prime minister trudeau will be the host of this. also in attendance. some people have referred to this because it has been less than three years of these leaders meeting together but referring to it as influential meeting of north american leaders about friendship, of international trade and keystone pipeline is expected to be discussed during this time period. kristin welker who covered the clinton campaign is joining me here in new york. the reaction of hillary clinton to what we saw from istanbul, how has that been a stark contrast to what we just discussed with the donald trump reaction? >> it has been what we expect from these candidates. donal

the presumptive republican nominee talked about waterboarding and promised to defeat the terror group. he accused hillary clinton of letting isis gain strength while she was sec state. major garrett is following the trump campaign major, good morning. >> good morning. as you said, donald trump wants to fight terrorism by using harsh interrogation tactics, bringing them back massive bombing, and in some case surveilling some mosques in america. hillary clinton calls of these out of bounds and so do some top republicans. >> you know isis was created during the hillary clinton regime. >> donald trump blamed rival hillary clinton and the obama administration for misreading the isis threat. trump called that key evidence to gauge clinton's future effectiveness if she were president. >> and if she gets in, it will be massive and we wouldn't have a country any more. we'll ab frayed we'll be afraid to walk outside. >> the military power irks fellow republicans, so do the group's barbarity. >> we can't do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads, they can do whatever they want to do.

. >> so we can't do waterboarding, but they can do chopping off heads. we have to be so strong, we have to fight so viscously and violently, because we're dealing with violent people. >> the presumptive gop nominee coming under fire once again for his rhetoric. >> the transpacific partnership is another disaster, done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country. >> trump, provocatively ripping up trade deals, spending tuesday laying out his economic plans, and arguing that americans need to take their country back. >> globalization has made the financial elite who donate to politicians very, very well thee. i used to be one of them. it has left many of our workers with nothing. but poverty and heartache. >> clinton, saying she is sympathetic to people drawn to trump's message. >> they have lost fade in their government, in the economy, certainly in politics, and most other institutions. i am not sympathetic to the z xenophob xenophobia, the islam ma phobia and all of the other, you know, sort of dog whistles that trump uses. >> and carol

about waterboarding? i said, i like it a lot, i don't think it's tough enough. we have an enemy that's chopping off people's heads. >> reporter: but despite trump's tough talk, our abc news/"washington post" poll finds voters trust hillary clinton more to handle terrorism. clinton has yet to address the istanbul attack on camera. in a statement, she said it "strengthens our resolve to defeat the forces of terrorism and radical jihadism around the world." >> she hasn't done anything about what's going on, all right? isis was formed during her tenure, isis is now worse than ever. >> reporter: trump cites clinton's handling of the 2012 benghazi attack as proof she's soft on terror, and today, he's getting help from the nra. a new ad featuring a security contractor who was there. >> hillary as president? no, thanks. i served in benghazi. my friends didn't make it. >> and tom, president obama went on what he called a rant against donald trump today, he called trump a demagogue, saying his rhetoric isn't populi

. >> they said what do you think about waterboarding? and i don't think it's tough enough. we have to fight viciously and violently because we're dealing with a violent people, vicious people. can you imagine them sitting around the table or wherever they're eating their dinner, talking about the americans don't do waterboarding, and yet we chop off heads. they probably think we're weak, we're stupid, we don't know what we're doing, we have no leadership. you know, you have to fight fire with fire. >> those controversial comments already getting some backlash from members of the republican party. senator john mccain among them making it clear earlier today that he simply doesn't agree. >> according to to the geneva conventions, it's a war crime. perhaps more importantly than that if you're not into academics and history is it doesn't work. if we torture people, then what would we expect that our enemy would do to americans that were captured? >> meanwhile, a new queen pea yak poll out just today has clinton effectively tied nationally, a

we can't do waterboarding, but they can chopping off heads, drowning people in steel cages.they want to do. >> your reaction to that? >> well, i'm staying out of presidential politics and commenting on anything that any of the candidates have said, but i can tell you my job at the united nations is to build coalitions around our national security interests. combat ebola or to fight terrorism. and one of the reasons that the united states is able to build a coalition like that, many have forged against isil is that we live by the rule of law. we respect human rights, because of the mistakes we've made in the past that when you alienate whole communities, you serve up a gift to isil or al qaeda. and we're not interested in serving up gifts to terrorist organizations. we're interested in defeating them. >> and i know you can't get into politics, do other leaders talk to you about what's going on here? certainly secretary kerry said they are talking to him. >> i'm sorry, could you repeat that, andrea? >> i'm sorry, secretary kerry said that other leaders are talking to them abou

. >> reporter: trump renewing his call to waterboard terror suspects. >> what do you think about waterboarding? i like it a lot. i don't think it's tough enough. we have an enemy that's chopping off people's heads. >> reporter: despite the tough talk, our abc news washington post poll finds voters trust hillary clinton more to handle terrorism. clinton has yet to address the istanbul attack on camera. she said it strengthens the resolve to defeat radical jeedism around the world. >> she hasn't done anything about what's going on, all right? isis was formed during her tenure. isis is now worse than ever. >> reporter: trump cites clinton's handling of the benghazi as proof he's soft on terror. and a new ad between a security contractor who was there. >> hillary as president? no thanks. i served in benghazi. my friends didn't make it. >> reporter: today president obama criticized donald trump saying his message is closer to zone phobia. . the president is going to get more and more involved in the campaign. he'll be campaigning in north carolina next week. abc news, new york. >>> meanwhile, hilla

. >>> trump advocated a return to waterboarding terror suspects. and the cia has declassified documents from its so-called enhanced interrogation program. this release was a response to a lawsuit by the american civil liberties union which claims that the cia tortured suspects. here's david martin. >> reporter: the heavily censored documents give a real time look into what the cia was thinking when it began waterboarding senior al qaeda captives. this is a train wreck waiting to happen one officer wrote announcing he was quitting the cia. but director george tenet assured the white house, so-called enhanced interrogation techniques enabled cia to disrupt terrorist plots, capture additional terrorists and collect critical intelligence on al qaeda. the first al qaeda prisoner to be water boarded was abu zebeta, a draft memo shows before the water board being gain, the cia wanted attorney general john ashcroft to state in write he would not prosecute anyone f what they were about to do. in a cable from the secret prison where the prisoner was held, sa