just last week met ronnie had several presidential candidates policy wonks for the e2 summit. john hudson was not there. jon huntsman was not invited to that was his state as well but that's not something that romney would accept an invitation to pay its. >> the governor picked him that romney to leave the olympics and becomes a confidant got a major award and that romney was the presenter and every prominent group. if you look at utah's list of who's who the only family that was on that list was romney. they didn't show up and aided by table are supported at all. if you are in certain parts of national politics you know you have to pick one team or the other acre she cannot straddle both. >> well, when they were campaigning very high-profile lots of attention on their mormon faith and in the book you describe them as different kinds of mormons. tommy, explained. >> let's start in 2008 mitt romney's first run at the white house critically look at the label as is everyone is running as romney is the only one who was labeled with his religion. former pennsylvania senator rick sa

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lou: who's the big wonk of the last three presidencies?clinton or was it bush or was it obama? >> compared to trump, all of them. risk for them. lou: the elites, rich, you must represent them nouchl the elites of this country are buckling under the -- just the glare, the blinding glare of truth. >> not easy to keep standing. look, i predict someone will ask him tomorrow night a very basic policy question that he doesn't know and he's going to be exposed. lou: i bet you 20 bucks that thursday night that does not happen to donald trump. >> okay. shake on it. >> i think the risks are a lot greater for the other guys. in this format, they have such a small amount of time to speak. people that can speak in the sound bites and be compelling and charismatic tend to shine. it's the people that are boring and try to get into the policy details in a short amount of time are the people that drown on the stage. lou: do you realize we want them to drown? seriously. we talk about this stuff. frankly, how boring do we become. start worrying about whether

just last week met ronnie had several presidential candidates policy wonks for the e2 summit. john hudson was not there. jon huntsman was not invited to that was his state as well but that's not something that romney would accept an invitation to pay its. >> the governor picked him that romney to leave the olympics and becomes a confidant got a major award and that romney was the presenter and every prominent group. if you look at utah's list of who's who the only family that was on that list was romney. they didn't show up and aided by table are supported at all. if you are in certain parts of national politics you know you have to pick one team or the other acre she cannot straddle both. >> well, when they were campaigning very high-profile lots of attention on their mormon faith and in the book you describe them as different kinds of mormons. tommy, explained. >> let's start in 2008 mitt romney's first run at the white house critically look at the label as is everyone is running as romney is the only one who was labeled with his religion. former pennsylvania senator rick sa

. >> we have often criticized politicians for being over wonk where i. we are wonks for a living. that's what we do for a living but the public doesn't pay attention to a lot of these issues. we -- remember mike dukakis, the land use planning manual? you can get too much in the weeds as a politician but i think people want their presidents to actually have some substantive grasp of the main issues of the and the thing about trump that strikes me as -- he doesn't want to do the work. >> i mean it's almost as if it's beneath him to dot homework he would be required to be president. is that going to fly, kim? >> no it's not. i mean everything he talked about -- joe alluded to this. the single payer health care thing, he seemed to be absolutely oblivious to the fact that conservatives despise this idea and said well you know maybe we could have had it here but the time is passed and then went into ram belling response about insurance across state lines, not that anyone could follow what he was saying. sxho people know the legend in a good sense of what he accomplished. how did you do?

hard in it and i looked at jeb bush and thought, fine man, and a very good governor a real policy wonk. is he running because everybody told him he's got to run, or because he really want to be president? >> ana, bill is not the first republican i've heard complain about this fire in the bell will problem that they perceive jeb bush has. what's your take? >> i think he has the fire in the belly. i don't think he's running because anybody told him to. in fact, some people told him not to run, including his mother. i think he's doing it because he field the need to serve. he's had a great life economic success, been able to spend time with his family a wonderful, normal life in the private sector. this is a sacrifice that he's taken on with a great deal of humility. i said to him, dude are you crazy? why are you doing this? this is so hard and you've been having a wonderful life. i've been impressed by his answer of the level of look people who have that level of commitment to serve has it. he wants to do it. he has cut off -- unlike some others on that stage, he has cut off all his busi

he is a policy wonk. he tends to get into the weeds. he loves policy. for him it's not easy to be able to condense answers to 60 seconds. he was able to do it. i think he gave good, solid policy-based answers. what he didn't have were good, memorable moments. you have a debate which is very different than most debates where it might be two, three people on the stage. this is a debate with ten people, including some out-sized personalties. so you have to have not just substance -- which i think he was solid on. you have to also have a great deal of moments to stand out. how do you distinguish yourself? i think that's where he needs to work on that. >> to that point, anna, bill crystal, we know him well, he called the performance lackluster and said bush doesn't have that fire in the belly, is how crystal described it. that seems to be a common complaint about bush. are we going to see a change in him? are we going to see fire in the belly is that going to happen after this debate? >> well, let me just say, my friend bill crystal has never liked jeb bush.

would come toward him but he has set himself talking about being an intellectual person he is a policy wonk at heart. he is not a campaigner. he is not someone who likes to go out and say what people want to hear and in fact it's in the book jon huntsman's favorite part of running for president was the debate he did with newt gingrich which you then even his daughters were falling asleep in. >> i would also say part of the difference between what jon huntsman junior's career was as a summer might mitt romney, jon huntsman junior balance between government business and working in his fathers business and government service in the assured by the fact that the president is going there for four years. we see this often in politics. a cabinet members not going to be there long or ambassador is not going to be there long periods, and washington d.c. someone there for two years and leave. the amount of time you spend in china when he was working for barack obama was longer than the ambassador before and after him and so it's not like he was in a hugely unusual step of the criticism you brought up

in fairness he its not run a big commanding lead by being a policy wonk. which may serve him poorly in cleveland or not. it may be seen as viewers and voters as a plus. just him being himself. whatever the verdict, here's what i discovered when i tried to get donald trump to get specific about some of what he has been saying. you talk about isis. last time we talked you said you had a plan to deal with them. you would be tougher anbody else. you said bomb the hell out of the -- >> take their money supply. >> get the oil. send in troops to ring the oil. i talked to folks who have experience on the ground. general saying they brought in exxon in 2008 exxon was there two weeks. said they don't want to get involved. >> they don't want to be involved politically. now they'll get involved. >> send in troops, ring around the oil fields. the general said they had 30,000 americans, 60,000 iraqis guarding the oil fields during the war, al qaeda was able to get in. >> i'm a better general than the general you are talking about. >> you keep saying mexico is sending th

well, robert, bring that up because the spotlight might be for you -- you wonky-wonks on jeb bush butt might be they want to see an apprentice-style debate. i wonder what's going to happen, robert, if donald trump shows up and is more muted and doesn't give what people are looking for. >> i predict he'll play against type initially in this debate whether he's disciplined enough to stay that way is another issue, but i think the bigger point is this. there's a very big distinction between playing to the republican electorate and speaking out to the country at large. right now donald trump has so inflamed the rhetoric that you have now mike huckabee threatening to bring in federal troops to block women's rights to make their own health care choices. you have rand paul using a buzz saw to go through the tax code. ted cruz using a machine gun with bacon wrapped around it as a new way to cook bacon. they look like an infomercial for anger management therapy. that may play very well with the right-wing base of the republican party that chooses the nominee, but it's way out of step with the

he's a policy wonk.able to bring that humorous almost human side to governor jeb bush is going to be ib credibly important. but again they are going to have a short time to really articulate policy positions and a very short time also to come up with those one-liners that stick with those viewers who are watching the debates. >> and let's talk about the under card debate tomorrow. is there any chance you see any of those candidates who are going to debate in the earlier hour breaking through from that discussion so that they can be part of the lead pack after the debates? is that even possible? and more importantly what would a candidate have to do to break out? let me bring nick a into that point. >> it's totally impossible. this poll was decided by a few hundred people around the country. it is not a good signifier. there is every opportunity for the under card to make it. >> so it is still a wide open race. >> i think so. >> thank you both for joining us. >>> coming up, more on the breaking news out o

middlebury institute of international studies in monterrey and founding publisher of the arms control wonkwebsite. he told me what has happened at the parchen facility. >> so, a long time ago, between 1996 and 2002, the iranians did some work that was probably related to developing a design for a nuclear weapon. they took explosives and they used that to squeeze metal. and that's an important test. so, that information got revealed to the ieae. they've done an incredible investigation and found the former soviet scientist who worked there, got a bunch of documents, the guy had even published papers, and basically said to the iranians, like, hey, what's up, the jig is up, we know what you've done, and the iranians have been stalling to keep them out. so what's finally happening is the iranians are agreeing to answer questions and provide samples and photographs and actually let a group of ieae officials in. >> now, the ieae, the international atomic energy association is the essentially policeman for the world's nuclear nonproliferation treaty. they're the inspectors in iraq, they're the on

he's a friend of mine and a good policy wonk, and he understands issues. i think the country should be grateful to him for having sustained the battle on getting welfare reform. i think that's one of the great achievements that this country had and it probably need another cycle of that now. so clinton wanted to be president and it was clear to me he was going to take no prisoners if there was a hard primary. >> rose: the book is called "the quiet man, indispensable presidency of george h. w. bush" by former chief of staff, john sununu, former governor of new hampshire. thank you. >> thanks for having me, charlie. >> rose: back in a moment. stay with us. >> rose: colin quinn is here, he is a standup comedian, actor, writer, best known for former role as the weekend update anchor on saturday night live, now starring in his fifth one mann show, the new york story at the cherry theater, which addresses new york and race. it is based on this new book, the coloring book, a comedian solves rails relations in america. chris rock says after reading it you realize

i am a policy wonk in the end. of getting rid of obamacare -- fine, you do that, but what next? i would like to see him rollouts and details, turn it from a personality campaign. tom: whether jeb bush or donald what should walker, be the republican response to the implementation and apparent success of the afford will care act? if you make it illegal to not have insurance and then that should not be the litmus test. the biggest problem was the cost curve. insurance is how you shift around paying the bill. the bill is too big. the number one thing to -- is to fix the health care delivery system. that should be at the heart of any response. tom: the commodity implosion -- we have all seen it before -- but what is different this time? doug: we are in the wake of a financial crisis, every central bank having spent a lot of its ammunition. tom: douglas holds aiken, -- douglas holtz eakin, thank you so much. coming up, a conversation with the vice chairman of the federal reserve. stanley fischer, then alan greenspan. a v

he's also a policy wonk and a former high ranking government official dealing with health care matters. a dean and professor at the johns hopkins school of public health. before that, he was at the fda and secretary of health for maryland. josh, i suspect although i don't know what he'll say, maybe the voice of caution saying hold on there, you free market loving libertarians, we can't just throw out all the regulations here. we mo need some in place. each is going to speak for about 12 to 15 minutes, then we'll open it up to the audience for questions. if anyone has any cell phones, please turn them off. with that, let me turn it over to renee, who will get us started. >> thank you very much. by way of disclosure, even though -- yes. even though simon did introduce me, i represent a lot of telemedicine stakeholders, hospitals, health systems, health plans, some of the leading telemedicine companies. so some of my comments may be skewed in that direction. so, i've got a quick powerpoint we're going to go through here. one of the things that i always start with is definitional. telemedi

he is a policy wonk and a high ranking government official dealing with healthcare matters. he is currently an associate dean at john hopkins public school of health. before that he was with the fda and the secretary of hnl for the state -- health for the state of maryland. and josh, i don't know what he will say, may be the voice of caution, hold on you free market loving libertarians, we can't throw out all of the regulations, we need some regulations in place. each will speak for 10-15 minutes and then open it up to questions. once thing to mention, if anybody has any cell phones, please turn them off. and with that, i'll turn it over to rene who will get us started. >> thank you very much. by way of disclosure, even though -- even though simon did introduce me, i do represent a lot of telemedicine stakeholders, hospitals, health systems, health plans and some of the leading telemedicine companies so my comments may be skewed in that direction. so i have a quick powerpoint to go through here. one of the things that i start with definitional. telemedicine and telehealth. t

. >> i just wanted to get in touch with my inner wonk. and some traders are saying this is possibly one indicator that things may be a little overextended for the overall market. at least the recent hot once kind of tail off, it may be at least one yellow flag. >> dom chu, thank you. >>> melissa, over to you. >>> market volatility rising due to concerns about china and the fed, so where should investors put their money? bill stone, the chief investment strategist, and the investment strategist at is best trust. >>> did the empire state number today throw a wrench in the expected bedtime line of a hike in september? >> i don't think it necessarily did. the manufacturing activity we have seen here across the u.s. has been somewhat weak, but there are signs to suggests we are in fact bottoming. if you look at the fed, you have to realize there's a dual man dade. on the employment side, i believe they can check the box. the inflation side is certainly lagging, but i think it would take a lot to delay the fed. >> so you think they need some to

folks are telling us that they like policy -- they don't like policy folks, technocrats, wonks developing policy in their schools -- what does this mean for policy? the thing i wrestle with is there was reason we got to where we got with standards and evaluations and common core and so forth. we had a sense that what preceded that wasn't working. we didn't like what we had and now we are rebelling against the reaction to what we had. what comes next? >> so much to talk about. let's start with teacher quality. i found it to be, again, one of the more compelling findings, because of the unanimity around teacher quality, how that looms so large. and again, we know the research. we know that every teacher can have a great impact on -- a great teacher can have a great impact on kids. people certainly feel the same way, yet how to improve teacher quality. the so what question is where the rubber hits the road. i don't know what -- you have -- you all look so eager talking about it. i will start with you because you are closer to the classroom. coming out a few years ago. talk about teacher qual

kasie, look, you're at a fair, i'm not sure this is the perfect venue to get into detail about policy wonk and have the candidates talk about potential details they would be offering. i'm curious, how big is this fair? can you see how that will logistically happen. >> alex, it's a permanent fairground that exists all year round. there's a giant concourse to my left where people are hawking all sorts of goods from hot tubs to different types of rooms, there's obviously fried food all over the place. trump's helicopter is not going to land on the fair concourse where all these people that you see walking behind me are. he's going to land on a field that's about a mile and a half away but adjacent to the fair. that's where they're talking about giving helicopter rides to kids. so at this point we're anticipating. he's landed already at the des moines international airport not that far from here in his trump-'m blatrump trump-emblazoned jet. he'll land on the field amid what's expected to be a crush of reporters. he told us he's going to get off the helicopter and answer questions right away.

he's the wonk. he's measured.estion for the bush campaign is what is the political environment look like two or three months from now? as you and i have been covering politics for a long time, though, sometimes these political movements don't always last. particularly months and months and months. and so it will be interesting to see if this bombastic period inside the republican party continues to last as we are heading into the iowa caucuses and new hampshire primary. >> you know, one of the polls that jumped out at me this week was cnn's poll that they tested hillary versus donald trump, and hillary versus jeb bush, and they actually showed trump faring better than jeb bush against hillary by three points. i wonder, it says something about all the attention donald trump is getting, obviously, but is there a bigger question here about jeb bush's struggles as a candidate? i made the comment the other night, i look at jeb bush speak, i look at his brother george w. speak and say i come away with a whole new respec

some of these folks, they're all good folks but make no mistake, they're policy wonks. they're going to stumble and -- you know, i fear for them in some ways. >> well, then if you're donald trump, who do you go after? do you try and knock down jeb bush or scott walker? who's the main target? >> you know, i think he will go after jeb bush in some sense or maybe the bushes plural, and it's entirely conceivable to me that he would want to draw the sort of reagan-bush divide, if you will, which is basically the republican -- you know, the conservative versus the moderates fight that's been going on for decades and decades and decades. and personalize it with the bushes and talk about it in that sense and then see if he can apply some version of that to the others. >> whatever happens, it's going to be interesting to say the least. jeffrey lord -- >> buy popcorn bags, without doubt. >> it will be good tv. we're looking forward to it. good to speak with you as always. thanks, jeffrey. >> thanks, john. >>> and jeb bush stepped into a controversy over funding planned parenthood

he's a policy wonk, and a man of high integrity.in a moment. he'll remain for the rest of the hour. >>> coming up, a checkup on the city of detroit, mayor mike duggan joins us to talk balancing the budget, upgrading, and attracting investment. when you do business everywhere, the challenges of keeping everyone working together can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at&t has the tools and the network you need, to make working as one easier than ever. virtually anywhere. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. >>> welcome back, everybody. detroit emerged from the bankruptcy proceedings late last year, but there's still lots of work to do in the motor city. as they contend with a continuing weaker tax base. mike duggan is the mayor of detroit. he joins us right now along with our guest host, trevor fetter. mr. mayor, thank you for being here today. >> well, thanks for having me. >> obviously you've come a long way, but there still is work to do. how would you characterize the state of det

jeb bush showed that he's a policy wonk. he showed that he's really able to handle questions on immigration and common core and sort of the way he wants to. he wasn't on the steadest footing all night. he didn't have any particularly strong moments. jeb bush was outshone a bit by marco rubio, his fellow florida republican. so it didn't hurt him. this wasn't a bad night for jeb bush. but it wasn't a particularly strong one either. he showed them it takes a little while to warm up to the stage. whether it's getting comfortable delivering speeches. it took him a little while to sort of get into practice on that. or the debate format. i suspect you'll see a better jeb bush in the second debate and future debates after that. >> and it will be interesting to see what the reaction is in the coming days to what we saw this evening. eric bradner, thank you so much for your report there in cleveland. >>> well, beyond jeb bush there was some fireworks. one of the most heated exchanges of the night was between new jersey governor chris

we know the people affected by the system are much more knowledgeable than any policy wonk oftentimes about how to fix the system. you've raised a number of issues. let's start with the aging-out question because it's a critical one. there was a period in our history where we let kids age out with almost nothing and we gave them a trash bag, told them to gather their goods and sent them on their way with maybe a $50 check and then they wind up at a homeless shelter. we've done a lot recently to try to improve the way that we support young people who are aging out. we've even extended the time that kids can stay in foster care from 18 to 21. and some states have even gone beyond that because, you know, i have two teenagers. i don't think they're ready to leave home by age of 18 and we recognize that foster kids aren't either. >> 21 is the national minimum? >> 21 is what the federal government will pay for. not every state has extended care to 21. that's one of the efforts we'd like to see every state do. it's optional. a child doesn't have to stay in care but making it an offer and rec

he is a chill wonk, according to those who talk to him from the morning, before he started.ern carson is someone to look at. he adds to the conversation. he is changing a little the dynamic of it. not only that, he did what donald trump did. he threw the bombs to get people to pay attention. now he's got some numbers. >> rick perry not in here. a lot of talk about rick perry getting out of the race. we basically have win, place, show here. in most polls, it's trump first, easily, bush second, carson 3rd. >> all right. up next. could the iran nuclear deal help lay the groundwork for ending the civil war in syria? politicos michael crawley has new reporting on a fresh push for diplomacy that involves some of america's top rivals. that's next on "morning joe." ♪ . what do you think they'll be doing? yoso why treat yourf mouth any differently. brushing alone does less than half the job, leaving behind millions of germs. complete the job with listerine®. kill up to 99 percent of germs. and prevent plaque, early gum disease and bad breath. complete the job with listerine®. power t

he's a wonk, he's very wonky when it comes to policy, but he's still in it. >> we've got to add one othergree. >> that's true, jeb and carly, even today with us. >> yep. >> thanks very much. still ahead in business before the bell, futures up big this morning and why mcdonald's and burger king could be teaming up to combine their iconic burgers? >> what? >> that would be heaven. >> it really would. is that a whopper and big mac? >> my prayers finally answered. thank you jesus. >> two of the worst things being put together. ♪ (dorothy) toto, i've a feeling we're not in kansas anymore... (morpheus) after this, there is no turning back. (spock) history is replete with turning points. (kevin) wow, this is great. (commentator) where fantasy becomes reality! (penguin 1) where are we going? (penguin 2) the future, boys. the glorious future. (vo) at&t and directv are now one- bringing your television and wireless together- and taking entertainment to places you'd never imagine. (rick) louis, i think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. look more like a tissue box... you may be muddlin

not all are policy wonks.ld don't so. and so this is a fantastic thing. it's a win for america, a win for fox, it's a win for the republican party. i see it as wonderful. also fox did kind of a brilliant thing breaking up the cliffs into two prongs a and we had a cliffhanger effect, not knowing who would be in it until the last minute. john kasich we didn't know until the last moment and look at what he did. >> james thurston joining us live. thanks to see you. >> thanks for having me, tucker. >>> next up on the program, the carnival of fun continue tong plaza. one of us is about to ride the sandstorm. who will it be and will that person survive without throwing up? you'll have to stay tuned to find out. ♪ whoa what are you doing? putting on a movie. i'm trying to watch the game here. look i need this right now ok? come on i don't want to watch that. too bad this is happening. fine, what if i just put up the x1 sports app right here. ah jeez it's so close. he just loves her so much. do it. come on. do it. come