-- that was the worth of the degree from yale law school. has memories from things of his past life, including his graduation from law school or he leaves to be an assistant attorney general in missouri for $10,000 a year, one of the few jobs he felt like he wanted to take. host: we have time for a call or two more. we will get to mike in springfield, virginia. independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. a couple observations. the first was during the hearings for his confirmation, there was a contentious moment. he was in the hall with other people. my friend had heard them talking. they came up with the tagline, high-tech lynching. that was the thing he had spouted. the second observation is, where i live, over the course of the year and a half or so, i have run into him twice. the first time, i spotted him. i was walking toward him. his wife stepped right ahead and he does not have time to talk to you. he has things to do. i was kind of shocked by that. that actually happened a second time. i know she seemed very controlling o

law school. look, people at yale law school, generically speaking, are a pretty arrogant group.e, in the year ahead of us were bill and hillary clinton. that was kind of the atmosphere. i don't think clarence came with that in mind for himself. and i think it was kind of off-putting. >> there are other black students there, but again, the black students who are there, like, he doesn't feel they are like him. he's not part of the elite. they're, in his mind, privileged kids, you know? the sons and daughters of doctors and lawyers. so he feels, again, like the outcast. >> he believed that people assumed he was there as a, as a beneficiary of affirmative action, and it grated on him. >> he has this feeling of, "oh, i'm around these white students" who he senses question his presence at yale. "how is it that you-- not just you, clarence thomas-- "but you, all you black students, are here? "is it because of merit or is it because of affirmative action?" there was one law professor, ralph winter, who in a challenging way mentioned this, "people don't think, you know, you deserve to be

he did go to yale law school. he was a good student there. he studied constitutional law.in the military for a time. he used those two things as a way to boost his importance around those who followed some of his ideas. he did not go into the capitol but the jury determined from all of the messaging and all of the things that he had done that he was the person that was helping to plot and plan this, which is what the conspiracy was all about. what he doesn't talk about, in fact he actually had his law license revoked and then back in 1993 he mishandled a handgun and shot himself in the face so he's wearing that patch now. he strikes you as a guy who thinks he can talk himself out of anything. in this case he talked, texted, messaged his way right into prison. >> a yale law school graduate. sara, beyond that, beyond the legal ramifications, what kind of deterrence effect do these sentences have on extremist groups like the oath keepers and proud boys? and you've covered them closely. >> reporter: once you see that there are these major consequences, 18 years in prison is no

he went to yale law school despite schizophrenia. ppened, and he assumed michael would have resources when he didn't. they were allowing his illness to assert itself. >> this is a push back to mayor adams who has introduced a policy of trying to forcefully help people who can not help themselves. >> yes. >> has been that it's a civil rights issue. it's a civil liberties issue. you cannot -- you have to respect somebody's autonomy, and you talk about here that sometimes the people that are in these scenarios don't understand what's going on around them. there's a woman who was on the street for ten years suffering. and she kept getting mental health checks. and she wasn't admitted because she wasn't violent. she wasn't forcefully admitted because she wasn't violent. finally something violent happens, she does something violent. she gets forcefully admitted and gets stable and is fine a little bit later and counters the doctor who didn't admit her for all of those years. you son of a b you, left me out there to rot for ten years, if i w

a former army paratrooper who graduated from yale law school, rhodes wore an orange prison jumpsuit during dramatic court hearing. he showed no remorse, defiantly telling the judge that he considered himself a political prisoner judge mehta responding to rhodes, "you, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country, to the republic, and the very fabric of our democracy. rhodes' lawyers promised an appeal >> well, i think that this case was all about the weaponization of speech by the department of justice. and i think that essentially, they have used stewart rhodes' words against him. >> reporter: prosecutors say rhodes spent weeks after the election plotting to use violence to keep president trump in power the judge applied a so-called terrorism enhancement to rhodes' sentence, the first time that has happened in a january 6th case >> it's a very significant sentence, and it sends a very i think important message of deterrence. >> reporter: proud boys leader enrique tarrio also convicted of seditious conspiracy is slated to be sentenced august 30th. lester >> ken dilanian tonig

-- that was the worth of the degree from yale law school. things of his past life, including his graduation from law school or he leaves to be an assistant attorney general in missouri for $10,000 a year, one of the few jobs he felt like he wanted to take. host: we have time for a call or two more. we will get to mike in springfield, virginia. independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. a couple observations. the first was during the hearings for his confirmation, there was a contentious moment. he was in the hall with other people. my friend had heard them talking. they came up with the tagline, high-tech lynching. that was the thing he had spouted. the second observation is, where i live, over the course of the year and a half or so, i have run into him twice. the first time, i spotted him. i was walking toward him. his wife stepped right ahead and he does not have time to talk to you. he has things to do. i was kind of shocked by that. that actually happened a second time. i know she seemed very controlling of him. i got to gi

-- that was the worth of the degree from yale law school. things of his past life, including his graduation from law school or he leaves to be an assistant attorney general in missouri for $10,000 a year, one of the few jobs he felt like he wanted to take. host: we have time for a call or two more. we will get to mike in springfield, virginia. independent line. caller: thank you for taking my call. a couple observations. the first was during the hearings for his confirmation, there was a contentious moment. he was in the hall with other people. my friend had heard them talking. they came up with the tagline, high-tech lynching. that was the thing he had spouted. the second observation is, where i live, over the course of the year and a half or so, i have run into him twice. the first time, i spotted him. i was walking toward him. his wife stepped right ahead and he does not have time to talk to you. he has things to do. i was kind of shocked by that. that actually happened a second time. i know she seemed very controlling of him. i got to gi

law school classes and no one believed him. and he finally convinced them and he was at yale law school, and he was one of the founding cohorts, cec, at yale school, who started something called america now america first in 1940. bears no resemblance to the more contemporary use of the term. america first in 1940 was primarily a phenomenon on college campuses. now, a young gerald ford, young john f kennedy, young gore vidal, not so young walt disney, lillian gish, norman thomas frank lloyd wright. they were all united by disillusionment. america's experience in world war one. remember, we had been promised a lot. we had been a war to end wars. we had been a league of nations. we had been promised our irrationality in place of national when racial, ethnic hatred, none of which transpire. and of course, by the 1930s, it that europe was well on its way to the horrors of the first world war. and so ford and three other yale students had the idea of creating this organization. now but but here's again this is ford a much more complicated figure he appears because of the very same time that he's signing up for the isolationist agenda

happen and to take up arms and foment revolution a former army paratrooper who graduated from yale law school he wore an orange jump suit and showed no remorse, saying he considered himself a political prisoner the judge saying you, sir, present an ongoing threat, a peril to the country, the republic and threat to our democracy. rhodes' lawyers promised an appeal >> i think this case was all about the weaponization of speech by the department of justice and essentially, they had used stewart rhodes' words against him. >> reporter: prosecutors say he spent weeks after the election plotting violence to keep president biden from gaining power. >> it's a very significant sentence, and it sends a very, i think, important message of deterrence >> reporter: proud boys leader henrique tarr tar yoe is to be sentenced august 30th. >>> the supreme court has weakened a landmark wetlands law and ruled in favor of an idaho couple >> the court decided that the land does not fall under the protection of the clean water act, so they don't need a federal permit to build on the property environmentalists say th

it is my honor to welcome yale law school and georgetown law school professor my former law school professors of the former justice william brennan you named this book. why? >> what the court did in that case, it involved racial disparities in the death penalty in georgia. and justin powell wrote the majority opinion. he said if we look at it with regard to the death penalty, we have to look at racial disparities in all other kinds of sentencing because we have the same disparities. justice brennan said that sounds like a fear of too much justice. i think we see that over and over again. the courts are unwilling to do, we ought to be concerned with racial disparities in all kind of sentencing, not just capital sentencing. but it's been evoked over and another again. in another case justice powell said we shouldn't ask jurors whether they have opinions, racial prejudice opinions because then we had have to ask about a lot of other things as well. 1931, chief justice hughes said, of course you want to ask those questions because we don't want the risk somebody with that kind of prejudice would

in 2013 it was a $500 stained glass medallion from his alma mater at yale law school, in 2016 it was uglas valued at $1600. those were some of the gifts he listed in public disclosure filings over the years while keeping with disclosure laws. while some of those reportedimes could raise items on their own, they're not even the most interesting part of thomas' disclosure form. for that you have to look at what he's missing from those forms. in the last month propublica has reported on a litany of items for trips and payments on real estate that justice clarence thomas accepted as gifts from texas billionaire and republican megadonor harlan crow, gifts justice thomas routinely failed to report. if you add up all the dollar amounts from propublica's reporting the gifts amount to more than $1 million, and none of it showed up on the disclosure forms over the years. today propublica is out with new reporting about more money, this time tuition money crow paid to schools on behalf of justice thomas' relatives or relative. in the late 1990s justice thomas took custody of his grandnephew a ma

in 2014, it was a 530 dollar stained glass medallion from his alma mater, yale law school.erick douglass, which was valued at more than $6,000. those were some of the gifts that supreme court justice clarence thomas listed on his public disclosure filings over the years, in keeping with post watergate federal disclosure laws. while each of those reported items could raise some eyebrows on their own, they are not even the most interesting parts of thomas's disclosure forms. for that, you have to look at what is missing from those forms. in the past month, propublica has reported on a litany of items -- on trips and on payments for real estate that justice clarence thomas accepted as gifts from texas billionaire and republican megadonor harlan crow. they are gifts that justice thomas routinely failed to report. if you add up all the dollar amounts from propublica's reporting, the gifts amount at up to more than $1 million. and none of it showed up on the disclosure forms over the years. today, propublica is out with new reporting about more money. this time, it's tuition mone

he's a graduate of yale law school.ote a paper that won a prize at yale about civil rights and enemy combatants. i mean, his thinking is very deep and nuanced, and i think that we will see this play out -- [ inaudible question ] >> well, because it was his words that led him to where he is and not his actions. there's no way that he was the leader or the director of what happened on january 6th. he was just a convenient target, the oath keepers were a convenient target. the doj looked at them and said, oh, here are the scapegoats of what happened on january 6th. we all knew the capitol had been breached, that people were already in there, and stewart never went in the capitol. >> did you have questions? [ inaudible question ] >> absolutely not. >> hold on. >> yeah, go ahead. >> that's a huge question. in terms of leader of january 6th, there were 10,000 plus people on the hill that day and it was uncontroverted evidence that they weren't even on the hill when this entire situation started. i don't think it's up to me to

rhodes, who went to my alma mater, yale law school, was a serious and ongoing threat, i believe he said, to our democracy. i never heard a judge say something like that at a sentencing. usually what they're saying is something about how they hope the person is rebill tatd, they see the good in the person, this is a one time thing. none of that. this is what you say about people you want to warehouse because they're such a danger having them out there is going to be continuing harm, so very, very interesting and important language from the judge. >> eugene, yes in. >> this now becomes a political litmus test for the other republican candidates. donald trump has said he may well pardon defendants in the january 6th case. governor desantis said he would look at pardons. every contender for the nomination is going to be ask that question. >> and we should ask them that question. thank you so much for starting us off today on "the beat." coming up, speak of desantis disaster, his epic failure to launch and why this 2024 start actually matters. >> also, maga's matt gaetz is a problem for spea

he is a graduate of the university of pennsylvania and yale law school. next to him. we have told you already, but he's the white house bureau chief for the washington post and coauthor of his is george floyd one man's life and the struggle for racial justice, published by penguin house in 2022. previous to the post, tolliver spent five years at bloomberg news, where he reported on politics and policy from washington and florida he has reported from five continents and more than 20 countries. as part of the presidential press corps. he started his career at miami herald, where he covered estate, natural disasters and crime, sometimes all at once once, holding a b.a. and m.a. in sociology from stanford taylor has been honored as a national book awards finalist. receive the george polk award for justice reporting and is a peabody award winner. and then we have steve phillips is a national political leader, bestselling author and columnist. he is the author, the new york times bestseller brown is the new white house demographic revolution has created a american majority

a former army paratrooper who graduated from yale law school, he wore an orange prison suit during thehe judge he considered himself a political prisoner. judge mehta responding to rhodes, you, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country and our democracy. rhodes' lawyers promised an appeal. >> i think this was all about the weaponization of speech by the department of justice. i think that, essentially, they used stewart rhodes' words against him. >> reporter: prosecutors say rhodes spent weeks after the election plotting to use violence to keep president trump in power. the judge applied a so-called terrorism enhancement to rhodes' sentence, the first time that's happened in a january 6th case. >> it is a very significant sentence, and it sends a very, i think, important message of deterrence. >> yeah, it really does send an important message of deterrence. something that republicans used to support. that was nbc's ken dilanian with the report. as we told you yesterday, the writer whose photographed with his feet on a desk of then speaker nancy pelosi's during the insu

a former army paratrooper who graduated from yale law school, he wore an orange prison suit during the hearing. he showed no remorse, telling the judge he considered himself a political prisoner. judge manta responding to rhodes, you, sir, present an ongoing threat and a peril to this country and our democracy. rhodes' lawyers promised an appeal. >> i think this was all about the weaponization of speech by the department of justice. i think that, essentially, they used stewart rhodes' words against him. >> reporter: prosecutors say rhodes spent weeks after the election plotting to use violence to keep president trump in power. the judge appied a so-called terrorism enhancement to rhodes' sentence, the first time that's happened in a january 6th case. >> it is a very significant sentence, and it sends a very, i think, important message of deterrence. >> yeah, it really does send an important message of deterrence. something that republicans used to support. that was nbc's ken dilanian with the report. as we told you yesterday, the writer whose photographed with his feet on a desk of the

but at this stage, it appears that only this yale and harvard law school graduate has a 5 of johns my kinda, oh, just the era washington adults are franco is a republican strategist. and he says desantis will have to distinguish himself from trump, amongst republican verses. the fact is to date, another credible candidates for the republican nomination have disagree with president trump in any meaningful way on any policy issues. an impact of defended president trump with respect to the political and legal persecution is going on persecution that is going on it and new york and washington and in georgia. at some point, governor desantos is going to have to say things that differ with president trump, or certainly criticized president trump more and more fully if he hopes to get any trash. he has a governor who's extraordinarily been extraordinarily successful, is that a very distinguished military record. we've had a good record in congress as a conservative, and of course was re elected. and in florida might be training wrapped, but he carried counties and constituencies in florida t

law and limits of loyalty. james is a graduate of yale university and duke university school of law price practice law in washington d.c. for thehe pat two decades is the author of two previous books. root and branch charles hamilton houston, thurgood marshall struggled in segregation. and the double d how words protested harry truman desegregated america's military. before we get started and want to mention two things. if at any point you have and hee can drop those in the chat on the youtube page bill gets as many of those as we can. if you are interested in purchasing the book and i hope you will be, you can do so you press.missouri.edu. you press.missouri.edu. if you use the code truman 21 tonight you will receive 40% off the list price. so check that out. all right, let's get started. ron thank you so much for joining us tonight too. >> thank you very much for having me. >> thank you. i want to start by asking you when the publisher reached out to me about this book my first reaction was the truman court. we have vincent and i was at a loss to anyone else truman appointed. but reading the book i quickly change

goes off to yale law school as part of affirmative action. he is rejected there. on and on and on.larence looking for home, and home, by the time we get to here, is rich, conservative white people. ginni, her story is very, you know, midwestern, couldn't be more different than clarence's. what you discover is she grows up in a family of more conservative, goldwater republicans, john birch society, all that. her world becomes binary. she's on a spiritual crusade. every since she was a young girl in omaha. when the two get together, that's when the sparks fly, and they aim for where they are now. >> michael, al sharpton. do you get into the sense that justice thomas really is a true believer in what he is supporting, voted for as a justice? i ask that because around maybe 15 years ago, he wrote a memoir. a mutual friend of ours asked me to sit with him. i did go over with a lot of reluctance to meet with him in his chamber. and i was absolutely amazed, that even with just three of us in the room, that he really believes in this crazy stuff, in my opinion crazy, that he advocates. the

law and the limits of loyalty. james is a graduate of yale university and university school of property practice law in washington d.c. for the last two decades and is the author of two previous books, truth and branch charles hamilton -- and how wars protest in hair trimmed desegregated america's military. forget starter want to mention two things. if at any point in the questions tonight you can drop those in the chat on the user page and we'll get to as many of those as we can and if your adjusted in purchasing the book and i hope you willif be, you can do so at you press about missouri.edu, that's u press. missouri. bdu and if he used the codes truman 21 tonight you will receive 20% off so check it out. let's get started. thank you so much for joining us tonight.nk >> thank you for having me. i want to start by asking you when the publisher reached out to me about this book my first reaction of course so we have been sent and i was at a loss to name anyone else a chairman appointed. reading the book i quickly changed. my tune and i'm wondering why nobody has told the story so wonder could you share with us how yo

james is a graduate of yale university and duke university school of law. hayes practiced in washington d.c. for the last two decades the author of two previous books, charles hamilton houston and the struggle to end segregation. and how war, purchase and harry truman desegregated america's military. before we get started want to mention two things. if at any point you have questions you can drop those in the chat and we'll get to as many of those as we can. if you are interested in purchasing the book, and i hope you will be, you could do so what you press.missouri.edu, that is you press.missouri.edu. if you use the code truman and 21 tonight you will receive 40% off the list price. so check it out. all right, let's get started. ron, thanks much for joining us today. quick thanks much for having me. i want to start by asking you, when the publisher reach out to me about this book the truman court i was at a loss to name anyone truman appointed. so reading the book i quickly change my tune and wondered why no one has told the story before. maybe more to the

law in the country. she's the thomas w. smith fellow at the manhattan institute. she has a bachelor of arts from yale. a master of arts from cambridge. and a j.d. from stanford law school. the only thing i have in common with her is i went to stanford as well. so very -- that's where the similarities stop. she's an accomplished author. several beth-selling books. i'm not going to read you the titles but i do want to say at least two of them deal with defending the police. and the problems that we have in our urban areas. and she's won numerous awards from law enforcement agencies because of that. she's here today to talk about her newest book which was just released in april which is titled "when race trumps merit." it's an extraordinarily well-reverend, thoughtful -- well-reverend, thoughtful anational -- well researched, thoughtful what's going on in the last three years. we will have time for questions. and she will be signing books in the lobby here after her presentation. so with all that, great privilege and honor to introduce heather macdonald. [applause] heather: thank you very much, mr. pearson. this is an extraordinary honor to be with this intellectual power

goes off to, yale he is in law school. he's part of affirmative action.a family very conservative. goldwater republicans, john birch society, all of that. her world becomes binary. and what she is on is kind of a spiritual crusade. ever since she was a young girl in omaha, and when the to get together that is when the sparks fly and they aim for where they are now. >> michael. do you get the sense that justice thomas really is a true believer in what he has supported, voted for as a justice? i ask that because around 15 years ago he wrote a memoir and a mutual friend of ours asked me to sit with him. and i did go over with a lot of reluctance to meet with him in his chamber. i was absolutely amazed that even with just three of us in the room, he really believes in this crazy stuff, in my opinion, it's crazy. you know, i guess i was waiting for him to wink and say yeah, you know, brother, so-and-so. but he really acts like he believes that stuff. to get into how it builds up to that this guy, as wrong as i think he is, and as backward as i think his decisi

yale as well. he then went on to harvard law school. from there, desantis chose the military.vy's judge advocate general, he worked at the guantanamo bay prison in cuba. one former detainee alleges desantis oversaw beatings and force feedings of prisoners, which he has denied. friends of ron desantis he also served in iraq and was awarded a bronze star. in 2012, desantis rode the tea party wave into congress where he opposed obama administration policies, but rarely stood out. then 39, desantis made his move running for governor of the sunshine state. initially trailing in the primary, desantis launched an all-out blitz for then-president trump's endorsement, putting his young family and the most famous ad of the year. he won trump's endorsement, the primary and then a razor-thin victory in november to become governor. >> all i can promise is the sweat off my brow, a full heart, my best judgment and the courage of my convictions. lisa governor desantis made a : national name for himself in the covid pandemic quickly ending stay-at-home orders, and opposing mask and vaccine man

somebody that was given the opportunity to go to yale, go to stanford law school, to have the sort ofreally is heartbreaking. it's also heartbreaking that he's feeding lies to young men, who actually do need examples of strength, do need examples in washington and other places of that strength, that sometimes quiet strength when required. as david french said, you have josh hawley that actually did exactly what he said josh hawley did, childish gesturing to the far right. on january 6th, when american democracy itself was being questioned by donald trump, this is what josh hawley did. it's such a caricature. it's such a joke. i mean, i say it all the time and i sort of say it tongue in cheek, but real men don't sit around whining about a war on manhood. they get up, they go to work and they work hard and try to do their job. they don't try to overthrow the government like josh hawley did. and afterwards, when there were impeachment hearings about donald trump trying to overthrow the government, he went up to the balcony and didn't sit with the other senators, sat there taking notes, c

the funny, no mention of his rarefied status as a graduate of yale and harvard, the school of law. >>se of representatives. we have representative ronald desantis who has represented florida's 6 district since 2012. >> welcome to the fourth hour. >> it's so precious. it's so precious. you've got a guy with a yale undergrad -- >> that's as elite as it gets. >> i sent them a letter asking to get in, dear mr. scarborough, no. he went to harvard law school, willie, he worked for the department of justice, i believe, -- >> oh my goodness, look. >> appointed to serve as a special assistant u.s. attorney for the middle district of florida. he was a member of the united states congress. he is governor of the state of florida. he has literally spent his entire adult life as an elite. and he's talking about, it's like, can we put that up again? you know, you've got josh hawley, you've got all these people who went all the schools, again, they've got restraining orders against me for even walking in to buy a t- shirt. it brings down the value of the school. all of these people, you know, kennedy