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supreme court, where this case is absolutely headed. i think it's interesting that this court made the decision both on the fact of law, finding that the former president was an officer. that is not necessarily the outcome that we would think the court would absolutely obtain. i mean it's a questionable decision on that point. then also that the former president engaged in the insurrection itself even though he hasn't been charged. so two really significant findings of law by this colorado supreme court. >> right. the district court judge in this case ruled that, yes, he did incite an insurrection, but that section 3 of the 14th amendment doesn't apply to the presidency. the colorado supreme court said, actually, yes it does, even though it doesn't explicitly say presidency under section 3. carrie, we mentioned the trump campaign says it will, quote, swiftly file an appeal of the decision tonight. if you would just explain how that appeal process will work with the supreme court and what the stay that's involved in this means for trump
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supreme court's decision. i have said time and time again that i believe that donald trump incited the insurrection. and also there shouldn't be some loophole in the u.s. constitution allowing the president but no one else to engage in insurrection and then serve in office again. but with that said, i will follow the law in the united states constitution because unlike donald trump i believe that's what elected officials should be doing. and if a court decides that he is on the ballot, i of course will follow that. i swore to uphold the constitution. that is exact lewhat i will do. and i think donald trump when he swore to uphold the constitution should ask himself whether he has been successful in his oath of office. >> and you sound optimistic that you're going to get a ruling on the supreme court on this before colorado actually has to decide whether trump's name is on the ballot, is that correct? >> i am optimistic we'll have great elections in colorado no matter what. we are considered the nation's gold s
supreme court's decision. i have said time and time again that i believe that donald trump incited the insurrection. and also there shouldn't be some loophole in the u.s. constitution allowing the president but no one else to engage in insurrection and then serve in office again. but with that said, i will follow the law in the united states constitution because unlike donald trump i believe that's what elected officials should be doing. and if a court decides that he is on the ballot, i of...
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supreme court. i also think what's notable here, the court may a college the opinion that this is a big deal. they know what they are doing. it's historic. and they know there is gonna be blowback. they say, look, we are mindful of the magnitude and the weight of that questions before us. we are likewise mindful of our solemn duty to apply the law without fear or favor and without being swayed by public reaction to that decision that the law mandates we reach. and of course, the loudest, biggest reaction from former president trump was trying to frame this as political persecution, which i am sure they could see coming. >> that's right. the trump trump campaign released a statement. we haven't really heard from trump on this. he was speaking in iowa. he did not really note anything. just very quickly, what are his allies saying? >> reporter: one of his allies, his spokesman, his team, they are all framing this as election interference. that is the narrative they have of crafting around the special c
supreme court. i also think what's notable here, the court may a college the opinion that this is a big deal. they know what they are doing. it's historic. and they know there is gonna be blowback. they say, look, we are mindful of the magnitude and the weight of that questions before us. we are likewise mindful of our solemn duty to apply the law without fear or favor and without being swayed by public reaction to that decision that the law mandates we reach. and of course, the loudest,...
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supreme court. i think these are fascinating questions that are incredibly important, and i think they are just beginning to get attention. >> one question i think is raised by this -- i'm sorry, deeper question than if congress can change rules of precedent. of course, if the rules of precedent are common-law rules, it may be that congress can change the rul of precedent and create these suctures. of course, they are limited. they cannot create special rules for certain kinds of cases, but i don't think it is clear if you agree that precedent rules or common-law rules that come from the structure of the constitution's power, that does not necessarily mean congress is disabled from getting involved. >> they were common-law rules in 1787. dithey get baked into article three in 1788 so that they are no longer common-law rules but now constitutional ones? >> i don't think so. there were hearsay rules, all sorts of rules and rules of evidence, and i'm not sure they were baked in. they had the unusual po
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why did the supreme court justices -- i'm sorry, why did the colorado supreme court justices rule when there has been a conviction? he was talking about how they dismissed that claim. that is the argument that the president's lawyers will make when this goes before the supreme court. i just want to read some of the questions from the new york times that the case hinged on. several questions. was it in insurrection when trump supporters stormed the capitol to stop the certification of the 2020 election? did mr. trump engage in that insurrection through his messages to support us beforehand in the speech that morning and his twitter posts during the attack? the courts have the authority to enforce section three of the 14th amendment without congressional action. does section three apply to the presidency? in the lower court decision, judge sarah wallace who made the district court ruling in colorado said yes to all but the last question, because section three enumerates several offices but not the presidency. and because the presidenti -- presidential oath is different than the other off
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supreme court, which can review the decisions of a state supreme court. in fact, the colorado supreme court anticipates that possibility, and for that reason, they put their own ruling on hold until january 4th, anticipating that it will go up to the supreme court. the practical consequence as it stands at this moment is that donald trump will not be on the colorado ballot in the race for president in 2024. the supreme court almost certainly will take this up. it's also important to keep in mind, for the broader context there have been dozens of these challenges filed across the country, and 18 or so of them have either failed, been rejected, or been withdrawn by the plaintiff. so this is really an outlier. the supreme court is going to have the final say. the consequences here are, of course, enormous. >> norm eisen, are you surprised by this decision? >> well, wolf, the law and the politics have collided. in this instance, law has won. there's a logic to the decision. the 14th amendment provides that insurrectionists may not hold office. the lower court
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supreme court? he doesn't think that it has anything to do with politics for some critics of the supreme court who think that. he thinks they will prevail here. do you believe that that's likely at all? >> no, actually, i don't. i think the only people who have found that donald trump committed insurrection have been his political opponents. i think that's pretty dangerous for the country and not a real incentive for the u.s. supreme court to rule that way as well. the deference of supreme court cases is always to let the voters decide. making rulings knocking somebody off is not what they have done before. granted, an insurrection charge and everything that's gone on with donald trump is, as elie pointed out, unique in our history. >> ben, one of the best voices to talk about this. elie, thank you for your analysis and expertise. thank you both. more to come on this breaking news. >>> we will get reaction from a key figure in the watergate era, john dean is here. also, we will speak to a former top
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when neil gorsuch, now supreme court justice, was a colorado state supreme judge, he held the state of colorado was absolutely in the right from keeping somebody off the ballot. it's a state case called hassan versus colorado. i will quote from it. several courts have expressly upheld states abilities to uphold constitutionally ineligible ballots from their ballots. see hassan versus colorado. as judge courses -- recognized and has honors estates legitimate interest in protecting integrity practical and not so subtle message from one of the justices who is likely to take this up, mary? >> i think the colorado supreme court is trying to point out that at least one person was now a current justice was likely to be ruling on this case has said something that they think supports their holding. the holding that yes, the state of colorado can keep somebody off the ballot who is not constitutionally qualified. now there is a big difference between sort of objective qualifications like age and citizenship than there are for things like whether somebody has engaged in an insurrection or rebelli
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those were all nixon justices, almost half the supreme court, was a nixon supreme court. nixon thought he had a pretty good chance because he said i appointed those people and they should be loyal. what happened? the ruling came down late summer of 1974 and it was 8-0 unanimously, three nixon justices and the rest of them all voted that nixon should have to give up his tapes, which, of course, led to his resignation. one other thing from history, there was one recusal, william rehnquist, who was a justice at the time, said i shouldn't vote because i have a connection to this case and my connection is that i was appointed to this court by richard nixon after serving in his justice department. you see where i'm going. >> yes, i do. >> here we are 2023. is this going to be a partisan vote or are they going to interpret the 14th amendment exactly and also, will someone like clarence thomas, whose wife looks as if she was quite involved in the insurrection of 2021, will he recuse? >> what a time to be alive. this is why you need to have a historian friend or two, because it's
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supreme court here. the reason they kbhoez that date is because secretary of state griswold would whom you were just speaking has to certify her state's primary ballot by the 5th. this colorado supreme court is giving president trump and his campaign some time to see things through at the supreme court. but as you know, the supreme court already facing a brief tomorrow from president trump which they have ordered on expeditious timeline to see if they want to grant ser sherori or review of the immunity decision. made the holidays more complicated now that they are going to in all likelihood see a petition for cert on this case from the colorado supreme court over the same time period. >> yeah, and, you know, i want to go back to you, ruth, because if everybody's looking at the screen right now, a whole bunch of us swim in deep legal waters a lot and all the time, but, ruth, you know, your wisdom and your kind of -- your wise words right now are really kind of what i want to go back to, which is the accou
supreme court here. the reason they kbhoez that date is because secretary of state griswold would whom you were just speaking has to certify her state's primary ballot by the 5th. this colorado supreme court is giving president trump and his campaign some time to see things through at the supreme court. but as you know, the supreme court already facing a brief tomorrow from president trump which they have ordered on expeditious timeline to see if they want to grant ser sherori or review of the...
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and they go to the state supreme court and they say this and the state supreme court agrees with them. so then the, losers, the republican committee brings it to the u.s. supreme court and they say, and i'm sorry, this story is long, but i think it's a helpful one for understand interpretation. and they say that state courts like the north supreme court have no business in federal elections. and the claim they make is based on the elections clause, which says the times places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives. shall be proscribed in each state by the legislature thereof. so the rules for federal elections shall be proscribed in each state by the legislature thereof. and so the republicans say this says the legislature thereof doesn't say state court. so therefore, it only means state legislatures. now, those of you with legal training know that or those of you who've dabbled in this know that sometimes texts have to be understood with reference to context. a rule that says, you know, no vehicles in the park doesn't exclude babies, strollers. you know, so
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supreme court. for more on this development, loyola marymount law professor jessica levinson joins us live tonight. and you thought you were going to have a restful evening. wow. haha bombshell a what does it mean? >> well, it means nothing right now because the colorado supreme court stayed its decision in till january 4th. they know that there will be an appeal up to the u.s. supreme court. the supreme court is going to have to act quickly. and i think the supreme court is going to have to take this case. they don't want a patchwork of different rulings from different states. they need to say here's what the 14th amendment says. and here's one it applies. and here's what it doesn't. >> the one of the big questions, of course, and the kind of made reference to this in his. his statement about this ruling today about a liberal judges, all judges on the supreme court, colorado reported by democratic governors. but it was a 4 to 3 decision, right? so 3 democratic appointed judges did not concur with t
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supreme court. meanwhile tonight, florida governor ron desantis remains focused on trying to cut into the former president's double digit lead in the 2024 polls. in part, by criticizing him for failing to drain the swamp in washington during his first term in the white house. while it turns out desantis made the same pledge in his bid to become governor of florida. but a cnn investigation is raising -- to cater to fight special interest and campaign donors. and it all has to do with legalizing smoke-able medical marijuana in florida. here's randi kaye. >> thank you. [applause] god bless you. >> after ron desantis was elected governor of florida in 2018, the very first bill he signed into law legalized smoke -able medical marijuana in florida. >> whether they have to smoke it or not, who am i to judge that? i want people to be able to have their suffering relieved. >> a cnn investigation reveals how desantis was courted by key figures in the medical marijuana industry, who donated to his campaign. he
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supreme court. now trump is fundraising from this ruling. >> the matter of trump being disqualified is up to the courts. backing the insurrection, that is already settled. take a listen. >> i think some things are self- evident. we saw it all. he supported insurrection. no question about it. none. zero. >> he aligned with a key part of this fourth opinion in colorado. the majority writing that trump did not only insight the insurrection, even when the seas was underway, he repeatedly demanded that pence refused to perform his constitutional duty and calling senators to stop the counting of electoral votes. this was a voluntary participation in the insurrection. >> john, great to see you, what happens next in this case? >> all paths are leading to the supreme court. first of all, we have the january 4th deadline that the supreme court set. saying they will put it on hold. his name should not be on the ballot. putting a ruling on hold. if he appeals to the supreme court, he could be on hold indefinite
supreme court. now trump is fundraising from this ruling. >> the matter of trump being disqualified is up to the courts. backing the insurrection, that is already settled. take a listen. >> i think some things are self- evident. we saw it all. he supported insurrection. no question about it. none. zero. >> he aligned with a key part of this fourth opinion in colorado. the majority writing that trump did not only insight the insurrection, even when the seas was underway, he...
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is so much more imminent, but they will ask the supreme court to take a look at it, and the supremetake that colorado case and likely go to other way on it, and overturn the decision of that judge. >> we will see. sarah matthews and jim schultz, we will have more iterations of this conversation, and for now thank you. >>> and now, colleges across the country have been struggling facing tons of scrutiny for how they have been facing islamophobia and a antismemitisn the e campuses. . >>> the president of harvard university is facing more trouble today, and this time for allegations of plagiarism in the academic work. a congressional committee has now launched a new investigation into what they are calling quote credible allegations against claudine gay. gay received a flood of criticism, and you will remember for her congressional testimony about anti-semitism on university campus last month, but she remain and is remaining the university's leader, and her counterpart at penn resigned after testifying at that very same hearing. after countless incidents of anti-semitism, and a antiisl
is so much more imminent, but they will ask the supreme court to take a look at it, and the supremetake that colorado case and likely go to other way on it, and overturn the decision of that judge. >> we will see. sarah matthews and jim schultz, we will have more iterations of this conversation, and for now thank you. >>> and now, colleges across the country have been struggling facing tons of scrutiny for how they have been facing islamophobia and a antismemitisn the e campuses....
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the colorado supreme court said if trump appeals to the us supreme court by jan fourth, which his teams says that they well, the decision to kick him off the ballot will be paused until the nation's highest court decides if it will take up the case. remember january fourth is one day before state law requires the colorado secretary of state to certify the list of candidates for the march 5th presidential primary there. so if the justices take this up, they have a complex argument to review. the colorado supreme court found here, 4-3, that trump engaged in an insurrection and that he incited violence on january 6th 2021, when he was still in office. they actually affirmed a lower court's ruling that trump's january 6th speech was not protected by the first amendment, that's an argument that trump has unsuccessfully made in both state and federal proceedings to defend what he's done on the ellipse just before the insurrection. >> we fight. we fight like , and if you don't fight, you won't have a country anymore. we are going to the capitol and we are going to try and give, the democrats a
the colorado supreme court said if trump appeals to the us supreme court by jan fourth, which his teams says that they well, the decision to kick him off the ballot will be paused until the nation's highest court decides if it will take up the case. remember january fourth is one day before state law requires the colorado secretary of state to certify the list of candidates for the march 5th presidential primary there. so if the justices take this up, they have a complex argument to review. the...
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and in his petition to the supreme court, jack smith reminded the court of just how quickly the supreme court is capable of working. quote, the district court overseeing one of the watergate cases had scheduled trial to begin on september 9th, 1974. on may 24th, 1974, the special prosecutor sought certiorari before judgment following the district courts denial of former president nixon motion to quash a subpoena seeking oval office recordings. the court granted certiorari a week later and set the case for an argument on july 8th, 1974. the decision issued 16 days later and the trial began in the fall of 1974. jack smith showed the supreme court in that example that the nixon case, one of the reasons they acted as fast as they did, was to preserve the criminal trial schedule of the watergate defendants in washington, d. c.. jack smith asked the supreme court and appeals court today to expedite their appeal to help preserve the trial date, currently scheduled for march 4th in this case. rule 11 of the united states supreme court says that an appeal can bypass the court of appeals and go d
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to appeal to the supreme court. when that happens, all eyes will be on the supreme court. that's where we start the day with the leading voices. former federal judge michael l. dig. conservatives look to you for guidance, including mike pence turned to you when donald trump was pressuring him. we hearing criticisms. it's worth remembering that it -- judge, why is this ruling consistent with conservative legal thought? the colorado supreme court yesterday decided the most consequential and pressing constitutional issue facing the country. its decision will force the nation to decide, does it believe in american democracy, its constitution, and the rule of law? the supreme court of colorado issued what i characterized as a masterful judicial opinion. it is unassailable and irrefutable in every single respect. as your viewers already know that court head, first and importantly, that section 3 of the four teent amendment does apply to presidents of the united states. the lower cold had held that it did not. in that hold
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there was a federal bill all the way to the supreme court, if they do too considering the supreme court is more conservative now than it previously let a key and controversial parts dan. do you think they okay the texas bill? >> this law is unprecedented in the breast. much more broad, even then the law in arizona. allowing state officials to deport people is something that not even arizona tried to do. what texas is trying to do was much broader than arizona, many of the policies arizona was proposing in that law were also struck down by the supreme court. it's likely you will see texas grab even more clearly federal authorities despite what authorities do 10 years ago. you will see the same result with texas being told clearly, this is the federal government's job. >> the law is slated to take effect on march 5th, that is really not that far away. can you realistically get a ruling before then? >> absolutely, we are going to do everything in our power to try to enjoy this law from going into effect by that point. we have to try everything, allowing the slot to go into effect puts a ta
there was a federal bill all the way to the supreme court, if they do too considering the supreme court is more conservative now than it previously let a key and controversial parts dan. do you think they okay the texas bill? >> this law is unprecedented in the breast. much more broad, even then the law in arizona. allowing state officials to deport people is something that not even arizona tried to do. what texas is trying to do was much broader than arizona, many of the policies arizona...
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suppose they upheld the colorado supreme court, that means the supreme court's blessing this interpretationthe 14th amendment and they would be the supreme court that would disqualify donald trump -- not just in colorado but throughout the entire country. i don't know, this is now getting into judicial politics, but i have a hard time seeing chief justice john roberts, the one who wants to keep the court out of politics, leading the supreme court into eliminating from the ballot a guy who is leading by 50 points in the primary states or 50-30 points in the early primary states and could well be the nominee of one of the two major political parties. that would be to me going deeper into presidential electoral politics than bush versus gore. which if you recall was the court saying the state of florida's courts were using and consistent standards in how to count ballots from county to county. one issue. the second issue -- here's where everybody -- i think that the court, too, will grant certain. suppose you don't know how the court will book. suppose you're worried there might be five votes
suppose they upheld the colorado supreme court, that means the supreme court's blessing this interpretationthe 14th amendment and they would be the supreme court that would disqualify donald trump -- not just in colorado but throughout the entire country. i don't know, this is now getting into judicial politics, but i have a hard time seeing chief justice john roberts, the one who wants to keep the court out of politics, leading the supreme court into eliminating from the ballot a guy who is...
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the supreme court said no.preme court said, we are going to let the appellate court here at first. so, this is the brief that jack smith has filed in the d.c. court of appeal. and he has made all of his arguments about how trump's claim to absolute immunity, anything he did in the office while president, he is immune from prosecution for, and jack smith has pushed back against that as expected. but what i think the supreme court may be thinking is, we are going to let the appellate court consider the issue first. and they have set a very expedited briefing and argument schedule for this. they're going to hear this argument in mid january. and if the supreme court, or the majority of the supreme court fundamentally agrees with whatever the d.c. circuit says, they may just decide not to take the case in the supreme court, and just let the district of columbia appeals court opinion stand. and that way, the supreme court will not have to actually render the ultimate decision on this case. they can just declined to
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supreme court. us now tim parlatore, we appreciate your time this morning, to that point, do you see a chance the supreme court ends up siding with the colorado ruling last night? >> you know, i really don't. i read the decision last night, and it was striking to me how little attention they paid to the federal statutes that are applicable here. you know, congress has enacted a statute, it's 18 usc 2383, that deals with insurrection, and that specifically is the statute that disqualifies running for public office. and, you know, one of the dissenters did point out that this is the proper procedure, but the majority essentially said, well, it doesn't say that's the only procedure so we can ignore it. i do think that that statute is really where the supreme court is going to focus their attention and likely overturn this. >> it's been striking that some of the biggest advocates for the 14th amendment, for moving forward on this, have been kind of pillars or respected people in the conservative legal m
supreme court. us now tim parlatore, we appreciate your time this morning, to that point, do you see a chance the supreme court ends up siding with the colorado ruling last night? >> you know, i really don't. i read the decision last night, and it was striking to me how little attention they paid to the federal statutes that are applicable here. you know, congress has enacted a statute, it's 18 usc 2383, that deals with insurrection, and that specifically is the statute that disqualifies...
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you talk about this supreme court ruling possibly, right? this being sent up to the supreme court. primaries start in weeks. >> right. exactly. even more important than the primaries, the colorado secretary of state is required to certify the content of the presidential primary ballot on january 5th. so what they've deputy here is they've suspended their ruling and they've stayed their ruling saying if donald trump goes to the supreme court then the secretary of state is allowed to keep donald trump on the ballot pending whatever the federal supreme court decides. now what they say here, though, is that obviously, this ruling will stand until then and so donald trump will be on the ballot. what we don't know is obviously what the federal supreme court will do. it's almost certain that they're going to want to review this. a reminder, erin, that colorado votes in early march. that's when the republican primary is set to happen in colorado, and so the supreme court, the federal supreme court has until then to make a finding. >> thank you very much, evan. there's a time to print a bal
you talk about this supreme court ruling possibly, right? this being sent up to the supreme court. primaries start in weeks. >> right. exactly. even more important than the primaries, the colorado secretary of state is required to certify the content of the presidential primary ballot on january 5th. so what they've deputy here is they've suspended their ruling and they've stayed their ruling saying if donald trump goes to the supreme court then the secretary of state is allowed to keep...
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supreme court upholding the colorado supreme court. do you disagree with me? >> i don't have any comment on your view, jake. i will just say this, my entire life i have held the supreme court of the united states as an institution with high reverence. and i hold the court today with that same reverence. if the supreme court were to reverse the colorado case, i would still hold the court with the same reverence that i do today. but i do not believe that the supreme court will reverse the colorado supreme court, because based on the objective law, which in this instance is section three of the 14th amendment to the united states constitution, it is unquestionably the case that the former president comes within the ambit of that disqualification clause of the constitution, and that he conducted or engaged in an insurrection or rebellion against the constitution of the united states. the supreme court justices are bound by oath to apply the constitution of the united states as it exists, without resort to any other extraneous consideration, political or otherwise.
supreme court upholding the colorado supreme court. do you disagree with me? >> i don't have any comment on your view, jake. i will just say this, my entire life i have held the supreme court of the united states as an institution with high reverence. and i hold the court today with that same reverence. if the supreme court were to reverse the colorado case, i would still hold the court with the same reverence that i do today. but i do not believe that the supreme court will reverse the...
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supreme court. an attorney for the plaintiff seeking to block trump says he thinks that they have decent odds at winning there. >> first of all, trump is going to have to convince the supreme court to take this case. and i can imagine a world in which the supreme court says this is pretty early on in the election cycle, let's see how it plays out in some other states first. so he is first going to have to convince the supreme court to take it. and once he convinces the supreme court to take it, i do think that we have a good shot on the substance. >> interestingly trump did not mention the ruling at all during a rally last night in iowa. although his campaign was fundraising off it within hours. so let's break it all down with our legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson. how you doing, my friend. so much to unpack here. a lot of legal skcholars say ths is incredibly unlikely. what do you think the chances are in the supreme court? >> i think it has merit. why do you have provisions
supreme court. an attorney for the plaintiff seeking to block trump says he thinks that they have decent odds at winning there. >> first of all, trump is going to have to convince the supreme court to take this case. and i can imagine a world in which the supreme court says this is pretty early on in the election cycle, let's see how it plays out in some other states first. so he is first going to have to convince the supreme court to take it. and once he convinces the supreme court to...
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supreme court looms over all of this, but let's look at that decision from the colorado supreme courtthis is all about the 14th amendment which was ratified after the civil war. it says that anyone who swears an oath to the constitution and then breaks that oath and violates the constitution by engaging in an insurrection, you can't go back to serving the public. you are disqualified, and this colorado supreme court, the majority in a 4-3 decision said that that is exactly what donald trump did. he engaged in insurrection and now he is ineligible to run again for president. let me read for you a quote from the majority opinion that carried the day in colorado. the justices wrote that president president trump did not incite the insurrection. even when it was fully under way he continued to support it by demanding that vice president mike pence refused to perform his constitutional duty and by calling senators to persuade them to stop the counting of electoral votes. these actions constituted overt, voluntary and direct participation in the insurrection because he participated in the i
supreme court looms over all of this, but let's look at that decision from the colorado supreme courtthis is all about the 14th amendment which was ratified after the civil war. it says that anyone who swears an oath to the constitution and then breaks that oath and violates the constitution by engaging in an insurrection, you can't go back to serving the public. you are disqualified, and this colorado supreme court, the majority in a 4-3 decision said that that is exactly what donald trump...
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the colorado supreme court's decision is historic and its own right regardless of what the supreme court of the nine states does with respect to the 14th amendment question. it remains to be seen whether the supreme court will take up this particular case, but it certainly might. as you say, there are two essential critical issues for the interpretation of the 14th amendments disqualification clause that the colorado supreme court decided resoundingly decided. it was a masterful opinion of constitutional interpretation of the disqualification clause in the 14th amendment to the united states constitution in every single respect. it is unassailable, as a matter of constitutional law. as you noted, the colorado supreme court reversed a lower court's decision that section three does not apply to the office of the president. the lower court had held that it did not even though the lower court, as you know, had held that the former president engaged in an insurrectional rebellion against the constitution of the united states. the colorado supreme court, and what is unassailable interpretation
the colorado supreme court's decision is historic and its own right regardless of what the supreme court of the nine states does with respect to the 14th amendment question. it remains to be seen whether the supreme court will take up this particular case, but it certainly might. as you say, there are two essential critical issues for the interpretation of the 14th amendments disqualification clause that the colorado supreme court decided resoundingly decided. it was a masterful opinion of...
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the colorado supreme court. i halfway agree with bob. i halfway disagree. i disagree with him on whether the term an officer of the united states includes the president. these are linguistic exercises you can do either way. i think it's worth noting, all seven justices didn't have a problem with all officers of united states including the president. and also just logically, if you're going to have a provision in the constitution this is anyone who engages in insurrection cancer for future office, it would be bizarre if the highest office was exempt from that. i do agree with bob, though that we have a serious due process problem here. because the 14th amendment itself says that congress, in section five, congress has to pass laws that tell us how this works. who gets to decide who engaged in insurrection? is it a court? is it congress? isn't a jury? is it a judge? the only law that is still on the books, as bob said, the congress have ever passed, is a criminal law, criminalizing insurrection which specifically
the colorado supreme court. i halfway agree with bob. i halfway disagree. i disagree with him on whether the term an officer of the united states includes the president. these are linguistic exercises you can do either way. i think it's worth noting, all seven justices didn't have a problem with all officers of united states including the president. and also just logically, if you're going to have a provision in the constitution this is anyone who engages in insurrection cancer for future...
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the _ supreme court? thank you both. thank you for the question. the uk _ supreme court?uk has been working with rwanda not only as a commonwealth partner on a range of issues which i alluded to in my opening remarks, but, specifically, on the migrant and economic development partnership, throughout the time we have worked with the rwandan government, they have shown an energy and professionalism and a desire to work in a collaborative partnership way with the uk. and, in my previous role as foreign secretary, i have seen that displayed across a number of bilateral issues. of course, we want to see this part of our wider migration plan up and running as quickly as possible. we feel very strongly that this treaty addresses all of the issues raised by their lordships in the supreme court, and we have worked very closely with our rwandan partners to ensure that it does so. i cannot see any credible reason why rwanda pass track record as a partner, including as a partner for the echr, a long—term partner for the echr, a long—term partner for the echr, bearing for the echr, a
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i don't think this the supreme court is going to fall for it. i think they will see this for what it is, allegations of acting outside the scope of his duties by committing crimes. >> and, emily, quickly, to barb's point, right, at the beginning of the filing from donald trump's legal team today, they actually say that special counsel jack smith framed the question incorrectly. for our viewers to understand, when the supreme court decides to take up a case, it takes up a case with a question, right. it's the idea that there is an issue or a question that is such paramount importance it has to be addressed by the supreme court. do you think, emily, that the supreme court is actually going to maybe consider which kind of question or how it's framed when it takes up the case? >> they will definitely think about what kind of question and how it is framed. and they can reframe the question. they don't have to accept the question exactly as it is written that the party puts forward. so so that's another option for them here. >> barbara, thank you. so
i don't think this the supreme court is going to fall for it. i think they will see this for what it is, allegations of acting outside the scope of his duties by committing crimes. >> and, emily, quickly, to barb's point, right, at the beginning of the filing from donald trump's legal team today, they actually say that special counsel jack smith framed the question incorrectly. for our viewers to understand, when the supreme court decides to take up a case, it takes up a case with a...
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for the supreme court. one being whether or not the office of the presidency is an officer. that sounds like it might be straight forward, but under constitutional analysis, it's not. and second, whether or not the district court was correct to find that the former president engaged in an insurrection and is whether that means just by the record created by the district court that the former president can be disqualified under the 14th amendment. so huge constitutional issues, important matters of constitutional analysis and we'll see how this plays out with the supreme court. >> it is huge. and evan, i want to read from the colorado supreme court ruling. it says, president trump did not incite the insurrection, even when the siege was underway. he continued to support it by repeatedly demanding that vice president mike pence refused to perform his constitutional duty and by calling senators to persuade them to stop the counting of electoral votes. these actions constituted overt voluntary and direct partici
for the supreme court. one being whether or not the office of the presidency is an officer. that sounds like it might be straight forward, but under constitutional analysis, it's not. and second, whether or not the district court was correct to find that the former president engaged in an insurrection and is whether that means just by the record created by the district court that the former president can be disqualified under the 14th amendment. so huge constitutional issues, important matters...
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and the state supreme courts.are final. that does not mean they aren't necessarily right, but in our system of law, the supreme court of the united states is right because it is final. all lawyers -- and frankly, stephanie, all americans should accept that, whatever their personal views are about the politics of the supreme court. >> all right, then. well, thank you for being here. i really appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you, stephanie. >> judge michael luttig. whene me back, a controversial right-wing curriculum is making its way into more classrooms. here is one big problem, accuracy. culture wars hidden in the classroom, you need to pay attention to this when the 11th hour continues. joints, i'm getting into my groove ♪(uplifting music)♪ along with significantly clearer skin... skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint
and the state supreme courts.are final. that does not mean they aren't necessarily right, but in our system of law, the supreme court of the united states is right because it is final. all lawyers -- and frankly, stephanie, all americans should accept that, whatever their personal views are about the politics of the supreme court. >> all right, then. well, thank you for being here. i really appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you, stephanie. >> judge michael luttig....
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supreme court has reversed the decision of the florida supreme court. there we go. >> several of the justices take the time to write separately. there's a descent from justice breyer. there's a separate dissent from justice ginsburg. there's a separate dissent from justice souter. so, it will appear that the 5 to 4 vote that we have seen all along is holding. it does appear, as i look through here, to be a 5 to 4 opinion. >> the entire reason we, as a country, and then of electing george w. bush in the very first place was a 5 to 4 vote by the supreme court, a vote along ideological lines, with five conservative justices ruling in a way that handed bush the white house, and four liberal justices dissented. and now, today, even more conservative supreme court could again effectively decide the 2024 election. there are two issues headed imminently towards the court, ones that could set the playing field for the 2024 election. number one is how the court responds to yesterday's ruling from the colorado state supreme court, the one saying that donald trump
supreme court has reversed the decision of the florida supreme court. there we go. >> several of the justices take the time to write separately. there's a descent from justice breyer. there's a separate dissent from justice ginsburg. there's a separate dissent from justice souter. so, it will appear that the 5 to 4 vote that we have seen all along is holding. it does appear, as i look through here, to be a 5 to 4 opinion. >> the entire reason we, as a country, and then of electing...
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supreme court right now.hould the justices agree to an expedited review of donald trump's claim of immunity for prosecution for crimes he allegedly committed while in office. let's go o evan perez. there's a new filing from jack smith on this matter. how is he pushing back on the trump team's arguments? >> well, wolf, jack smith is saying that this is an urgent matter. this is something that the public has an interest in finding out what the resolution is. and obviously, the election is ahead. he doesn't directly say that, but that is obvious what is behind this. i'll read you part of the filing where he says, quote, the public interest in a prompt resolution f this case favors an immediate decision by the court. the charges here are of the utmost gravity. one of the things the special council does is site the 1974 united states versus nixon case. a case that had to do with the then president's claim of executive privilege over the white house recordings, the nixon tapes. that case was heard just like the way
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supreme court before that date which would then put this ruling on hold each longer while the supremes deciding what to do on this issue, and that's crucial because the colorado secretary of state has to certify the primary ballot by january 5th, so it's all, but certain that donald trump will, in fact, continue to appear on the primary ballot and any determination by the supreme court, that would only affect trump's placement on the general election ballot if he's the nominee, but really, regardless, it will be interesting to see what the nine justices do with this issue and it's never been decided by the federal court and it will have implications for trump's candidacy whether or not he can be on the ballot because of the insurrection issue. >> jessica schneider, thanks for that report. now to the political reaction to the colorado ballot ruling that is clearly a bombshell. cnn's omar jimenez reports trump and his presidential campaign rivals, they are now all weighing in. >> first came the ruling. now, the fallout. a sad day in america, trump writes as he reacts for the first time
supreme court before that date which would then put this ruling on hold each longer while the supremes deciding what to do on this issue, and that's crucial because the colorado secretary of state has to certify the primary ballot by january 5th, so it's all, but certain that donald trump will, in fact, continue to appear on the primary ballot and any determination by the supreme court, that would only affect trump's placement on the general election ballot if he's the nominee, but really,...
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supreme court. but for this moment in time, this is a huge dose of accountability, and a punishment for january 6th. the colorado supreme court, in a 4-3 decision ruling that donald trump engaged in the insurrection, that the insurrectionist ban in the 14th amendment applies to the presidency, and he is ineligible to hold any future office, that's the finding of the majority opinion, let me read for you a quote, a pretty searing quote where they hammered trump for his conduct that day. the justices wrote, quote, president trump did not merely incite the insurrection, even when the siege on the capitol was fully under way he continued to support it by repeatedly demanding that vice president mike pence refused to perform his constitutional duty, and by calling senators to persuade them to stop the counts of electoral votes. these actions constituted overt, voluntary and direct participation in the insurrection. it's those actions, donald trump's own behavior, that, according to the challengers and th
supreme court. but for this moment in time, this is a huge dose of accountability, and a punishment for january 6th. the colorado supreme court, in a 4-3 decision ruling that donald trump engaged in the insurrection, that the insurrectionist ban in the 14th amendment applies to the presidency, and he is ineligible to hold any future office, that's the finding of the majority opinion, let me read for you a quote, a pretty searing quote where they hammered trump for his conduct that day. the...
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supreme court were to affirm the colorado supreme court, take that case and say you're correct, colorado supreme court, donald trump is not qualified to be president under the 14th amendment section 3 so therefore he cannot be on the ballot, then that would obviate some of the rush, the need to get thise criminal trial done before election because he would be off the ballot. i don't see it playing out timing-wise, though, that way. and i also think that it's a tall hill to climb to -- for the plaintiffs to win in the supreme court in the colorado case. it's not impossible, of course, but there are, you know, eight different legal conclusions that the supreme court would have to agree with that the colorado supreme court made. so i do think the court will take both of these. i don't think the justice will think, okay, let's give trump a win in one and give him a loss in the other in order to retain their integrity. but i think they will look at each case on their merits. the arguments arehe very, very different in each one. and i do think, you know, that most of the judges will be trying
supreme court were to affirm the colorado supreme court, take that case and say you're correct, colorado supreme court, donald trump is not qualified to be president under the 14th amendment section 3 so therefore he cannot be on the ballot, then that would obviate some of the rush, the need to get thise criminal trial done before election because he would be off the ballot. i don't see it playing out timing-wise, though, that way. and i also think that it's a tall hill to climb to -- for the...
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the supreme court probably said let them do this. whoever loses is going to appeal, ask for a certiorari for the supreme court. they're going to get it anyway, and there's no way this trial is going to happen on march 4th, but it may happen the first week of may. first of all, you saw how quickly the supreme court came up with this decision. they didn't wait until after the holidays, they immediate came up. it is feasible that if the d.c. circuit expedites it, and comes up with their decision, then the supreme court will grant certiorari, and they will also decide it quickly. they are aware that the elephant in the room, the november 2024 is the presidential election, which jack smith never said explicitly that that was the public interest and why it should be resolved. he felt he couldn't because then it would seem political. we know that's the reason why he wants this expedited. >> msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin is joining us as well right now. lisa, again, your reaction to this. you heard catherine saying she was shocked and not
the supreme court probably said let them do this. whoever loses is going to appeal, ask for a certiorari for the supreme court. they're going to get it anyway, and there's no way this trial is going to happen on march 4th, but it may happen the first week of may. first of all, you saw how quickly the supreme court came up with this decision. they didn't wait until after the holidays, they immediate came up. it is feasible that if the d.c. circuit expedites it, and comes up with their decision,...
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supreme court will reverse this decision by the colorado state supreme court. so this is something that we're seeing, we have seen it throughout the year with every indictment and every criminal charge leveled against the former president. and this of course a different type of case, but the reaction is very similar. republicans are saying that judges should not make the decisions. but take a listen to just a sampling of what the republican rivals have been saying about this ruling. >> i think he should be prevented from being president of the united states by the voters. >> we don't need judges making the decisions, we need voters making the decisions. so i want to see this in the hands of voters. we'll win it the right way. >> reporter: so as of now, a lion's share of republican voters at least suggest that donald trump would be the nominee. we'll see what happens. no one has voted in this race, but he has a commanding lead without question and time is running out for his rivals to make their case. but they are indeed making their cases as they campaign throu
supreme court will reverse this decision by the colorado state supreme court. so this is something that we're seeing, we have seen it throughout the year with every indictment and every criminal charge leveled against the former president. and this of course a different type of case, but the reaction is very similar. republicans are saying that judges should not make the decisions. but take a listen to just a sampling of what the republican rivals have been saying about this ruling. >> i...
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this is going to go to the supreme court, the supreme court will be the ultimate decider.at -- every decision splits everybody on capitol hill and the republican leadership. but the republican leadership always takes his back. but hear is what i would also say, this is not only the republican leadership and people who have been, you know, staunch supporters of donald trump. this is people like john cornyn, republican of texas, who has been in the past critical of donald trump. so it kind of spans the spectrum of republican lawmakers backing donald trump up here. >> okay. again, not much of a surprise. but let's move on to something that is pretty important. as you know the senate is done for the year. despite some big time unfinished business, that being additional aid for ukraine. but as you wrote in punch bowl this morning, this shouldn't come as a surprise to the biden administration who had some warning signs in fact as far back as october 2022 suggesting that it might not pass. now you say that ukraine has lost washington. pretty serious statement. what more can you t
this is going to go to the supreme court, the supreme court will be the ultimate decider.at -- every decision splits everybody on capitol hill and the republican leadership. but the republican leadership always takes his back. but hear is what i would also say, this is not only the republican leadership and people who have been, you know, staunch supporters of donald trump. this is people like john cornyn, republican of texas, who has been in the past critical of donald trump. so it kind of...