yes. recorded or recognised by fu'itsu? yes. :, :. , recorded or recognised by fu'itsu?ve had on the estate? yes. fifthly. we — have had on the estate? yes. fifthly, we can _ have had on the estate? yes. fifthly, we can see _ have had on the estate? yes. fifthly, we can see for - have had on the estate? yes. fifthly, we can see for most i have had on the estate? 1c1 fifthly, we can see for most bugs, errors— fifthly, we can see for most bugs, errors and — fifthly, we can see for most bugs, errors and defects whether it was notified _ errors and defects whether it was notified to — errors and defects whether it was notified to the post office, and if so, when — notified to the post office, and if so, when fujitsu say when the bug was communicated to the post office? yes. ~:: was communicated to the post office? yes. a“, : :, , was communicated to the post office? yes. ~:: : :, , ., yes. 60, we can see that the earliest bug _ yes. 60, we can see that the earliest bug of— yes. 60, we can see that the earliest bug of the _ yes. 60, we can see that the earliest bug of the 29

.— office and fu'itsu. up until now, fu'itsu office and fu'itsu.l now, fujitsu has — office and fujitsu. up until now, fujitsu has escaped _ office and fujitsu. up until now, fujitsu has escaped much - office and fujitsu. up until now, fujitsu has escaped much of - office and fujitsu. up until now, fujitsu has escaped much of the | fujitsu has escaped much of the scrutiny, given a statement in apologising for its role and says it will support the public inquiry that it is going to get a grilling from mps today. 50 it is going to get a grilling from mps today-— it is going to get a grilling from mps today. so far, fu'itsu, who built the system _ mps today. so far, fu'itsu, who built the system that h mps today. so far, fujitsu, who built the system that failed, - mps today. so far, fujitsu, who| built the system that failed, that led to innocent people going behind bars, have not said anything and we think it is time they broke their vow of silence and tell us what was known by who and when, whether they feel a moral obligation at least, to contribu

can we lease call logs come from fu'itsu. can we please leek — call logs come from fu'itsu. leele at h call logs come from fu'itsu. can we please look at the _ call logs come from fujitsu. can we please look at the next _ call logs come from fujitsu. can we please look at the next poll? - call logs come from fujitsu. can we please look at the next poll? this l please look at the next poll? this is an e—mail from yourself to andrew bolts dated 12th of december 2012. it's an e—mail from andrew bolts to you. this is to garethjenkins. it from andrew bolts to you. this is to gareth jenkins. it says, from andrew bolts to you. this is to garethjenkins. it says, i havejust spoken to the solicitor for grant allen, it says, i include an extract from the interview in which he is trying to suggest it's an initial loss of £3000 and is attributable to lost data because of installation problems. are you able to comment on the scenario? ultimately we need to discredit this as an explanation that holds any water. he denies stealing the subsequent losses and may be blaming the system for thos

and so - of those in fu'itsu? yes. and so overall of those in fu'itsu? yes. impression when we listen to your evidence in a moment that you came to all— evidence in a moment that you came to all of— evidence in a moment that you came to all of the — evidence in a moment that you came to all of the issues concerning data integrity. _ to all of the issues concerning data integrity, the provision of information and evidence by fujitsu to the _ information and evidence by fujitsu to the post— information and evidence by fujitsu to the post office and post office prosecutions afresh when you became ceo in _ prosecutions afresh when you became ceo in 2019? i joined, ceo in 2019? ijoined, as we already discussed, i joined in 2010 and certainly through my career inside the company laterally i became more and more aware of the issues, including during this inquiry, becoming more and more aware at a very detailed level. ca n level. can i turn to your second witness statement, — can i turn to your second witness statement, please? f uj 00126035. it will come — statement

will fu'itsu give its fullsupporth expertise. will fu'itsu give its full support of_ expertise.tsu give its full support of victims - expertise. will fujitsu give its full support of victims to - expertise. will fujitsu give its full support of victims to have their convictions quashed? i willi their convictions quashed? i will sa two their convictions quashed? i will say two things _ their convictions quashed? i will say two things on _ their convictions quashed? i will say two things on this _ their convictions quashed? in ii say two things on this topic. since my appointment i have been absolutely steadfast in our support for the inquiry and any information that a sub—postmaster needs... it is that a sub-postmaster needs... it is about that a sub—postmaster needs... it is about legislation coming before the housein about legislation coming before the house in a couple of weeks. will fujitsu support what the government intends to do and to quash the convictions of those who have been wrongfully convicted in the largest miscarriage ofjustice in this country has faced? it miscar

t who are new fu'itsu made that comment?— who are new fu'itsu made that comment? the settlement, we specifically identified and - claim? in the settlement, we specifically identified and we | specifically identified and we wanted — specifically identified and we wanted a scheme that did not require le-al wanted a scheme that did not require legal support. we wanted it to be as quick— legal support. we wanted it to be as quick and _ legal support. we wanted it to be as quick and simple as possible, and that was— quick and simple as possible, and that was very much the second part of the _ that was very much the second part of the settlement. if that is to be reviewed — of the settlement. if that is to be reviewed we will review it. i think less than— reviewed we will review it. i think less than 10% of the scheme had legal— less than 10% of the scheme had legal representation. we have an appeals _ legal representation. we have an appeals process and it may well be that was— appeals process and it may well be that was overly bureaucratic. you acce at that was overly

but that's how it started, as a fu'itsu when. _ a fujitsu created document. yes. rights. thank you, i hope - a fujitsu created document. yes. rights. thank you, i hope that i rights. thank you, i hope that hels. rights. thank you, i hope that helps- over — rights. thank you, i hope that helps. over to _ rights. thank you, i hope that helps. over to you, _ rights. thank you, i hope that helps. over to you, miss - rights. thank you, i hope that. helps. over to you, miss paige. thank you. _ helps. over to you, miss paige. thank you, sir. _ helps. over to you, miss paige. thank you, sir. i— helps. over to you, miss paige. thank you, sir. i appear- helps. over to you, miss paige. thank you, sir. i appear for - helps. over to you, miss paige. thank you, sir. i appear for a i thank you, sir. i appearfor a number of postmasters, including mr castleton. first of all, the inquiry has heard evidence that providing a rq dated to the post office, bringing in hundreds of thousands of pounds per annum, which is obviously small beer in the conte

.— office and fu'itsu. up until now, fu'itsu office and fu'itsu.l now, fujitsu has escaped much - office and fujitsu. up until now, fujitsu has escaped much of - office and fujitsu. up until now, fujitsu has escaped much of the | fujitsu has escaped much of the scrutiny, given a statement in apologising for its role and says it will support the public inquiry that it is going to get a grilling from mps today. 50 it is going to get a grilling from mps today-— it is going to get a grilling from mps today. so far, fu'itsu, who built the system _ mps today. so far, fu'itsu, who built the system that h mps today. so far, fujitsu, who built the system that failed, - mps today. so far, fujitsu, whol built the system that failed, that led to innocent people going behind bars, have not said anything and

was. . , ., , , , ., fu'itsu was.orth 58 billion - fujitsu was. are you surprised that| a company worth 58 billion pounds, fujitsu, have not commented in light of what has happened in the past week or so, and from what you saw, do you think they should be in charge or able to bid for future public sector accounts?- charge or able to bid for future public sector accounts? well, bear in mind the _ public sector accounts? well, bear in mind the size _ public sector accounts? well, bear in mind the size of _ public sector accounts? well, bear in mind the size of horizon, i public sector accounts? well, bear in mind the size of horizon, at i public sector accounts? well, bear in mind the size of horizon, at a i in mind the size of horizon, at a time we were looking at a second site in 2012, we were told it was the largest nonmilitary it project in the whole of europe, and there is a limited number of organisations that can deliver that sort of functionality. fujitsu was truly one of them, maybe ibm was another. i'm not sur

fu'itsu is them over recent years. fu'itsu is the japanese fl them over recent years.fujitsu is the japanese contractorjust - them over recent years. fujitsu is the japanese contractorjust beenj the japanese contractorjust been working on the horizon system since 1996 with a called it the largest it project outside of the military in europe. since the postmasters one their case against the government in 2019, it is carried on business and 101 contracts over 2 billion and the providerfor 101 contracts over 2 billion and the provider for services 101 contracts over 2 billion and the providerfor services to 101 contracts over 2 billion and the provider for services to the mod and home office and providing flood warning systems and environment agencies and this is a system which was very much a key part of the provision of the government services which we have come to know and expect in this country. seen expect in this country. an introduction, _ expect in this country. an introduction, what one postmasters told the bbc that there are still problems even now with this sys

relationship with fu'itsu? as you sa , relationship with fu'itsu?you say. there h relationship with fu'itsu? as you say. there _ relationship with fujitsu? as you say, there are contracts - relationship with fujitsu? as you say, there are contracts that - relationship with fujitsu? as you | say, there are contracts that have been given out across whitehall to fujitsu. the government is under a huge amount of pressure to look at reviewing the contracts going forward. i think that we are going to be hearing over the next few days, particularly in the light of this evidence from fujitsu, about exactly what the government proposes to do. but we are talking about hundreds of millions of pounds worth of contracts in several government departments. fujitsu has a very big footprint when it comes to public service delivery. just to remind you, the horizon system was first given the go—ahead under tony blair's government back in 1999. that is how long this has been going on for. but we will be hearing a lot more about that next week. lets focus now _ more abo

will fu'itsu give its full expertise. will fu'itsu give its fuusupponh expertise.d? in ii. say two things on this topic. since my appointment i have been absolutely steadfast in our support for the inquiry and any information that a sub—postmaster needs... it is that a sub-postmaster needs... it is about that a sub—postmaster needs... it is about legislation coming before the housein about legislation coming before the house in a couple of weeks. will fujitsu support what the government intends to do and to quash the convictions of those who have been wrongfully convicted in the largest miscarriage ofjustice in this country has faced? it miscarriage ofjustice in this country has faced?-

fu'itsu had not been obtained. ., , , , obtained.bility but i have never seen that e-mail. i l obtained. that is a possibility but i i have never seen that e-mail. i am i have never seen that e—mail. i am not on it. i have never seen that e-mail. i am not on it. ., �* ., ., , not on it. you didn't have any contact fujitsu? _ not on it. you didn't have any contact fujitsu? no. - not on it. you didn't have any contact fujitsu? no. you - not on it. you didn't have any| contact fujitsu? no. you have not on it. you didn't have any - contact fujitsu? no. you have been contact fu'itsu? no. you have been watchin: contact fujitsu? firm you have been watching special coverage of the post office public inquiry. the inquiry is due to break in a few minutes but we will be back when the inquiry resumes at 2pm. we have been listening to testimony by stephen bradshaw, he has been giving evidence to the inquiry. remember, none of this is new, the public inquiry began in february 2021, and a recent itv drama has brought the scandal into the spotlight.

fu'itsu would like to apologise _ week on tuesday.tuesday. fujitsu would like to apologise for our part in - week on tuesday. fujitsu would like to apologise for our part in this i to apologise for our part in this appalling miscarriage ofjustice. we were involved from the very start. we did have bugs and errors in the system and we did help the post office in their prosecutions of these sub—postmasters. for that we are truly sorry. these sub-postmasters. for that we are truly sorry-— are truly sorry. paul patterson, basically the — are truly sorry. paul patterson, basically the head _ are truly sorry. paul patterson, basically the head of _ are truly sorry. paul patterson, basically the head of fujitsu i are truly sorry. paul patterson, basically the head of fujitsu in | basically the head of fujitsu in europe. live it to our employment correspondence sally conway outside the inquiry in central london. it is going to be a tough grilling for paul patterson. perhaps you could explain the relevance of what he is going to say in his evid

the global boss of fu'itsu these topics.tsu there. _ karl flinders is chief reporter at computer weekly. he first revealed the it problems which caused postmasters to be falsely accused of fraud 15 years ago. we saw what appeared to be a heartfelt apology today and transparency of fujitsu's role. it seemed heartfelt and transparent. how does that compare with your own experience of the company when reporting on this story? it was much anticipated because in the last ia years, every time i have called fujitsu i have had a simple no comment. they hide behind the contract with the post office and so you have got to speak to the post office about this but recently they have been hiding behind the inquiry, and i was looking forward to seeing them grilled by mps. i was quite surprised that they admitted to everything quite clearly, admitting to supporting the post office and their wrongful prosecution is and that they contributed dot to dot they will pay some ——... they will pay some money towards the costs. fujitsu said it should

have to pony up but what about fu'itsu? , , . have to pony up but what about fu'itsu?use _ fujitsu? this is what the inquiry is there to do because what - fujitsu? this is what the inquiry is there to do because what we'll i fujitsu? this is what the inquiry is there to do because what we'll do | fujitsu? this is what the inquiry is l there to do because what we'll do is get the answers from sir wyn williams, the retired judge, and when we get that we will get the accountability, including fujitsu, frankly, because there's no way to the taxpayer should be on the book for all of this compensation. if others can clearly be proved to have notjust been wrong that double down on it in that process. band notjust been wrong that double down on it in that process.— on it in that process. and first of all, on it in that process. and first of all. should _ on it in that process. and first of all, should paula _ on it in that process. and first of all, should paula vennells i on it in that process. and first of all, should paula vennells give l on it in that process. and first of

services limited in the uk. ~ ., of fu'itsu services limited in the uk. . ., y ., of fu'itsu servicesujitsu _ sub—postmasters and their families. fujitsu would like to apologise for our part _ fujitsu would like to apologise for our part in — fujitsu would like to apologise for our part in this appalling miscarriage ofjustice. we were involved — miscarriage ofjustice. we were involved from the very start, we did have bugs— involved from the very start, we did have bugs and errors in the system and we _ have bugs and errors in the system and we did — have bugs and errors in the system and we did help the post office in their prosecutions of the sub—postmasters. for that we are truly— sub—postmasters. for that we are truly sorry — sub—postmasters. for that we are truly sorry. to your question around our ethics. — truly sorry. to your question around our ethics. i— truly sorry. to your question around our ethics, i believe we are an ethical— our ethics, i believe we are an ethical company. the company today is quite _ ethical company. the company today is quite different to the company i

about punishing fu'itsu. how widespread _ about punishing fu'itsu.g fujitsu. how widespread is the company's widespread is the company�*s involvement in government departments? it involvement in government departments?— involvement in government departments? involvement in government deartments? , ., involvement in government deartments? , , ., , departments? it is understood to be re departments? it is understood to be pretty widespread- _ departments? it is understood to be pretty widespread. one _ departments? it is understood to be pretty widespread. one estimate - departments? it is understood to be| pretty widespread. one estimate has been there has been £4 billion worth of work awarded to fujitsu in the last five years and one of the obvious examples that springs to is police national computer, fujitsu has run that for 30 years and was awarded a new contract in 2022 £48 million and at the time parliamentarians were told there was no alternative to fujitsu. we know it is a big firm and it has lots of involvement right across government. what th

given it was clear to fu'itsu in 2008, throughout * yes. had first been notified in december, 2007. _ had first been notified in december, 2007, that — had first been notified in december, 2007, that the lock was an issue capable — 2007, that the lock was an issue capable of— 2007, that the lock was an issue capable of impacting on criminal and civil litigation for which arq data was being requested and provided, do the papers _ was being requested and provided, do the papers that you have read or debriefings that you have received reveal— debriefings that you have received reveal why fujitsu didn't alert post office _ reveal why fujitsu didn't alert post office to _ reveal why fujitsu didn't alert post office to the issue immediately? no. not seemly for _ office to the issue immediately? 119. not seemly for the first time until the 7th _ not seemly for the first time until the 7th of— not seemly for the first time until the 7th ofjanuary 2009. the elements of the evidence that we have got— elements of the evidence that we have got is that

fu'itsu would like to apologise * for what had happened.se for h for what had happened. fu'itsu would like to apologise for our _ for what had happened. fujitsu would like to apologise for our part - for what had happened. fujitsu would like to apologise for our part in - like to apologise for our part in this appalling _ like to apologise for our part in this appalling miscarriage - this appalling miscarriage of justice _ this appalling miscarriage of justice we _ this appalling miscarriage of justice. we were _ this appalling miscarriage of justice. we were involved i this appalling miscarriage of. justice. we were involved from this appalling miscarriage of- justice. we were involved from the very start, — justice. we were involved from the very start, we _ justice. we were involved from the very start, we did _ justice. we were involved from the very start, we did have _ justice. we were involved from the very start, we did have bugs - justice. we were involved from the very start, we did have bugs and l very start, we did have bugs and

it think you had enough contact with fu'itsu? ., , think you had enough contact with fu'itsu?s always via the casework team. _ fujitsu? it was always via the casework team. anything - fujitsu? it was always via the | casework team. anything that was required would go via the casework team. ., ., required would go via the casework team. ., ~ ,, ., ., team. thank you. if we go to the next document. _ team. thank you. if we go to the next document. we _ team. thank you. if we go to the next document. we have - team. thank you. if we go to the next document. we have there l team. thank you. if we go to the i next document. we have there are some comments that mrjenkins made. he says, "i've been asked to comment on the witness report produced by charles mclachlan. " can we bring on to screen your statement? page five, paragraph ten. you say as relation, it relates to gareth jenkins, "i did not know he was expected to be an expert witness. my understanding of an expert witness is someone who has greater knowledge in their particular field than the ordinary person. i may have spoken

colleagues from fu'itsu? that's when my understanding — colleagues from fujitsu?s when my understanding was you _ colleagues from fujitsu? that's when my understanding was you request i colleagues from fujitsu? that's when my understanding was you request a | my understanding was you request a call logs and you get them all but there has been no calls to report any discrepancies on mr allen's in admissions. ln any discrepancies on mr allen's in admissions-— admissions. in terms of hardware problems. _ admissions. in terms of hardware problems. the — admissions. in terms of hardware problems, the nbsc _ admissions. in terms of hardware problems, the nbsc wasn't - admissions. in terms of hardware problems, the nbsc wasn't the l problems, the nbsc wasn't the correct helpline to call. are you saying you are not a bit of the difference between the two at the time? l difference between the two at the time? ., �*

companies like fu'itsu? what would ou think, companies like fujitsu?think, balvinder, _ companies like fujitsu? what would you think, balvinder, about - companies like fujitsu? what would you think, balvinder, about either. you think, balvinder, about either of the suggestions, pausing contracts or stripping the current contracts or stripping the current contract away? if contracts or stripping the current contract away?— contracts or stripping the current contract away? if everything is so embedded into _ contract away? if everything is so embedded into the _ contract away? if everything is so embedded into the infrastructure| contract away? if everything is so i embedded into the infrastructure of the country... i worked a lot about any software — the country... i worked a lot about any software house, and with that dogs _ any software house, and with that dogs do _ any software house, and with that dogs do occur when you do live updates— dogs do occur when you do live updates and enhancements, add bits on, i updates and enhancements, add bits on. i

50. do with the fu'itsu contracts? so, thank ou do with the fu'itsu contracts?contracts to fujitsu because it had already become very clear that they had played a big part in the horizon scandal. i then asked the minister again last week the same question, well they pause the contract? i think that is the least that they need to be doing. irlat think that is the least that they need to be doing.— think that is the least that they need to be doing. not strip them of the current — need to be doing. not strip them of the current contracts _ need to be doing. not strip them of the current contracts because - need to be doing. not strip them of the current contracts because they l the current contracts because they are across multiple departments. i would like to see them pull... well, i would like to see them strip the contract away. i think any due diligence will show, as your report hasjust shown, diligence will show, as your report has just shown, that this company cannot be trusted. let's not forget the damage that they have done to people like balvinder gill an

the post office and fu'itsu at the time? , ., , ., .,, time? yes to my father. he was alwa s time?r. he was always told he _ time? yes to my father. he was always told he was _ time? yes to my father. he wasj always told he was contractually obliged, he was contractually made to put the shortfalls right. it was his job then. to put the shortfalls right. it was hisjob then. unfortunately to put the shortfalls right. it was his job then. unfortunately over numerous attempts to call the helpline, he was made to feel very, very isolated and as a sub—postmaster he just did not know who to turn to he kept thinking to himself that it was his error. he thought that for a very long time until the errors in the shortfalls started to become more and more profound and i mean in the thousands. there was no support by fujitsu or the post office of being a sub—postmaster from 1999—, even now i can expect 2015, these sub—postmasters including my father received no assistance whatsoever. what do you make of it hearing that these bugs and defects were and shared with the post office and to even hear

fu'itsu to apologise? yes, of course. fuiitsu has — to apologise? yes, of course.se? yes, of course. fujitsu has apologised. for. to apologise? yes, of course. l fujitsu has apologised. for the impact — fujitsu has apologised. for the impact on _ fujitsu has apologised. for the impact on the postmasters and all of their families.— their families. what do you think about fuiitsu _ their families. what do you think about fujitsu giving _ their families. what do you think about fujitsu giving the - their families. what do you think about fujitsu giving the money l their families. what do you think- about fujitsu giving the money back? the government suggested you should have returned the money. we understand — have returned the money. we understand it is ongoing public inquiry, — understand it is ongoing public inquiry, so i am sorry, i cannot comment— inquiry, so i am sorry, i cannot comment further about these topics. that was— comment further about these topics. that was the global chief executive of fujitsu talking to a bbc producer, repeating that apology but not

so fu'itsu to see that comparison.ut it was still awarded government contracts. . �* , contracts. that's the fascinating - contracts. that's the fascinating part. - contracts. that's the fascinating part. not contracts. that's the - fascinating part. notjust the post office scandals recent horizon but there were other issues before that and even after all this wrongful convictions, you know, the new starter coming out, fujitsu continued to win government contracts. in fact, continued to win government contracts. infact, i continued to win government contracts. in fact, i think in 2022 when i was looking into it, it was still the third biggest government contract at the time so i started asking around why is this, why doesn't the british governmentjust cut them off? and interestingly a lot of experts said that their software so engrained in the uk's it infrastructure that they can't get rid of them. if they can't get rid of them. if they get rid of them, so many things in the public sector but also in the private sector

out for when fu'itsu take the stand toda ? . , , , ., out for when fu'itsu take the stand toda?020 was a time when select committee hearings were suspended to cope with the pandemic, this is now the first opportunity that the inquiry and in parliament where there will be an opportunity to find out what fujitsu have been thinking and doing to remediate the situation that they partly created. we have seen from lots of the reports the anguish, the devastation, that these people have been left in. what the victims of this whole scandal need to make them feel like there is some kind of resolution from fujitsu when they hear them talk today?— resolution from fujitsu when they hear them talk today? well, fu'itsu rovided hear them talk today? well, fu'itsu provided witnesses in i hear them talk today? well, fu'itsu provided witnesses in the i provided witnesses in the prosecution of innocent sub—postmasters. there is a police investigation going on into what fujitsu knew or didn't know. for them to put aside their corporate responsibility or their corporate responsibility or their corpo

fu'itsu admits it has a moral why, why? fujitsu admits it has a moral obligation _ why, why?ay compensation but they will not say how much until after the enquiry is concluded at the end of this year. zoe conway, bbc news. ireland's taoiseach, leo varadkar, has defended a controversial court case his government has brought against the united kingdom. speaking to the bbc in davos, mrvaradkarsaid he had not wanted to take the uk to the european court of human rights over last year's troubles legacy act. but, he said he had to stand by victims and survivors of violence in northern ireland. 0ur economics editor, faisal islam, began by asking him about the new brexit deal for northern ireland, known as the windsor framework. i think the windsor framework is working. it marked a real improvement in relations between the uk and the european union. working if you like with the protocol and it is working effectively on the ground. i think the issues that arise now in northern ireland are really matters between the dup, and the british government. and if they are involved in bilateral

— fu'itsu be paying that? i very much it fujitsu be paying that?s responsibility here is being the sole shareholder of the post office, but we have a statutory inquiry at led by a high courtjudge, but we have a statutory inquiry at led bya high courtjudge, he but we have a statutory inquiry at led by a high courtjudge, he will be taking evidence later this year, and at that point in time, we will be able to identify exactly who is responsible, fujitsu were the providers of the horizon system in the first place, so if it can be shown that they were responsible and culpable, than i think it would be only right that anybody in that position share some of the financial cost of this. find position share some of the financial cost of this-— cost of this. and in terms of accountability, _ cost of this. and in terms of accountability, you - cost of this. and in terms of accountability, you have - cost of this. and in terms of| accountability, you have just mentioned accountability, you havejust mentioned fujitsu. there are chief executives and chairmen at t

[it is _ evidence supplied by the post office and fu'itsu. , ., and fujitsu.s could have gone _ inconceivable that this could have gone on _ inconceivable that this could have gone on so — inconceivable that this could have gone on so long. but there was not a proper— gone on so long. but there was not a proper governance and oversight. when _ proper governance and oversight. when the — proper governance and oversight. when the first minister of scotland calls for mass exoneration, is that actually a good president? the problem is, that can be used in future cases. it problem is, that can be used in future cases.— problem is, that can be used in future cases. it has already been done in terms _ future cases. it has already been done in terms of _ future cases. it has already been done in terms of some _ future cases. it has already been done in terms of some of the - future cases. it has already been. done in terms of some of the 555, general— done in terms of some of the 555, general litigation in 2021 so we have _ general litigation in 2021 so we have to — g

politicians put fu'itsu on the spot before now?— politicians put fu'itsu on the spot before new? moment, a judge _ inquiry under way at the moment, a judge led _ inquiry under way at the moment, a judge led inquiry which is getting to the _ judge led inquiry which is getting to the lessons learned, and that will basically describe where the deals— will basically describe where the deals -- — will basically describe where the deals —— ascribed by the guilt is. it's deals —— ascribed by the guilt is. it's long — deals —— ascribed by the guilt is. it's long overdue for fujitsu to answer— it's long overdue for fujitsu to answer questions about what they knew _ answer questions about what they knew and — answer questions about what they knew and when. when you are talking about _ knew and when. when you are talking about £5 _ knew and when. when you are talking about £5 billion of public contracts being _ about £5 billion of public contracts being handed to fujitsu since the scandal— being handed to fujitsu since the scandal has been known, frankly, that is— scandal has been known, fr

fu'itsu seem to have manared of that moment. fu'itsu seem to have mana . ed to of that moment.them yesterday and they grilled them well and they have given them a set of criteria they need to come up with.— given them a set of criteria they need to come up with. explain the next section _ need to come up with. explain the next section which _ need to come up with. explain the next section which is _ need to come up with. explain the next section which is about - next section which is about compensation. how challenging is it, what you have to do to claim compensation? i what you have to do to claim compensation?— what you have to do to claim compensation? what you have to do to claim com ensation? . ., . ., compensation? i am fortunate in that i have compensation? i am fortunate in that l have lawyers- _ compensation? i am fortunate in that l have lawyers- l— compensation? i am fortunate in that i have lawyers. i am _ compensation? i am fortunate in that i have lawyers. i am one _ compensation? i am fortunate in that i have lawyers. i am one of— compensation? i am fortunate in

this week for the evidence given by fu'itsu? ,:, :, this week for the evidence given by fu'itsu? false prosecutions and other victimisations of sub—postmasters. that was not comforting. and there were quite worrying revelations about the culture in fujitsu. we heard a post office manager describing one of the main campaigners, lee castleton, as a nasty chap, who was just out to get fujitsu and ruin its name. this was seen as almost a war on sub—postmasters within fujitsu. they were out to protect their name at all costs, and justice and the truth were secondary. if you are a victim listening to that, you would be quite disturbed, really.- listening to that, you would be quite disturbed, really. there has been an apology _ quite disturbed, really. there has been an apology from _ quite disturbed, really. there has been an apology from fujitsu, i quite disturbed, really. there has| been an apology from fujitsu, and quite disturbed, really. there has i been an apology from fujitsu, and an apology from the post office. mps this week pointed to the absence of detail from this week poi

. -- fu'itsu. the evidencefi inquiry itself. -- fu'itsu.es or communicated with them but hoped the man had as many sleepless nights as he had. what did fujitsu know? when did they know it? what were they telling the post office? what about the behaviour of fujitsu employees? full coverage of the inquiry across bbc news today. here's matt with a look at this morning's weather. a crisp and chilly morning, a beautiful morning for some. this is from sheffield _ beautiful morning for some. this is from sheffield a _ beautiful morning for some. this is from sheffield a short _ beautiful morning for some. this is from sheffield a short time - beautiful morning for some. this is from sheffield a short time ago. i beautiful morning for some. this is from sheffield a short time ago. a| from sheffield a short time ago. a beautiful start a cold one. mine is cheaper not as chilly as yesterday morning across the uk. another cold and wintry day. keep across the full cast, particularly full sunday comment late sunday and monday morning. that could be a ret

we know now with fu'itsu, to get involved. we know now with fujitsu. john _ to get involved.s a problem, my case is stronger, surely that offers some encouragement? i think it does. what he was saying about knowing it from the beginning and there were bugs from the beginning, we kind of always suspected that. the worst of the worst is slowly coming out. the things we thought probably were true are true. it a how you are questioned.— are true. it a how you are auestioned. , ., questioned. david paid tribute to ou as a questioned. david paid tribute to you as a person _ questioned. david paid tribute to you as a person the _ questioned. david paid tribute to you as a person the community i you as a person the community trusted and liked. you have been through such an ordeal, you are seeing this played out in an inquiry. a basic question, how are you? the impact this has had an hour where we are at. l you? the impact this has had an hour where we are at.— where we are at. i feel a lot better about things _ where we are at. i feel a lot better about things now. _ where we are at.