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i whatever the psychological mood, sir patrick vallance. . ._ patrick vallance. ..it for the question, please. whatever- to be individual. no, wait for the i question, please. whatever states they were in, and even if they were in a state of being crushed by self—criticism and self—doubt, that hardly explains why a significant number of witnesses described, objectively, chaos inside the dhse? i think the reason is you have got a once _ i think the reason is you have got a once in— i think the reason is you have got a once in a _ i think the reason is you have got a once in a century pandemic, for which _ once in a century pandemic, for which sadly— once in a century pandemic, for which sadly there was no proper preparation in the country because we didn't— preparation in the country because we didn't know how to deal with highly— we didn't know how to deal with highly continuous coronavirus pandemic. and all the pressure initiatty— pandemic. and all the pressure initially was on good, hard—working department of health officials who, of course. _ department of health
i whatever the psychological mood, sir patrick vallance. . ._ patrick vallance. ..it for the question, please. whatever- to be individual. no, wait for the i question, please. whatever states they were in, and even if they were in a state of being crushed by self—criticism and self—doubt, that hardly explains why a significant number of witnesses described, objectively, chaos inside the dhse? i think the reason is you have got a once _ i think the reason is you have got a once in— i think...
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i watched sir patrick vallance's _ britain did that was...imony. he is one of the uk's leading scientific figures. he was questioned about his diary entries, blue and what we should be getting from him is what we could do to protect ourselves the next time. precisely. there are never any numbers. for me, the entire pandemic was spent with my head in my hands, sweating up over the amount of arithmetic and analysis that we are putting into trying to figure out what on earth the virus was doing and how we should prepare to fight it. it really was a very scientific and analytical process. no—one has been asked at any point — for instance, sir patrick looking at this graph, advise x, went for y. the result is the recommendations for how to improve our health security are being very slow to emerge, and ifear we security are being very slow to emerge, and ifearwe as security are being very slow to emerge, and i fear we as a security are being very slow to emerge, and ifear we as a country have gone backwards in the last three years rather than prepa
i watched sir patrick vallance's _ britain did that was...imony. he is one of the uk's leading scientific figures. he was questioned about his diary entries, blue and what we should be getting from him is what we could do to protect ourselves the next time. precisely. there are never any numbers. for me, the entire pandemic was spent with my head in my hands, sweating up over the amount of arithmetic and analysis that we are putting into trying to figure out what on earth the virus was doing...
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was your osition, vallance were read out. was your position. mr _ vallance were read out.the advice of your advisor is that there be a circuit breaker? no. . . is that there be a circuit breaker? no. . , ., ., ., ., no. that there be no national lockdown _ no. that there be no national lockdown at _ no. that there be no national lockdown at the _ no. that there be no national lockdown at the last - no. that there be no national lockdown at the last possible| lockdown at the last possible moment... lockdown at the last possible moment- - -— lockdown at the last possible moment. . .- and - lockdown at the last possible moment. . .- and that| lockdown at the last possible - moment. . .- and that you try a moment... no, no. and that you try a tier system? — moment... no, no. and that you try a tier system? know, _ moment... no, no. and that you try a tier system? know, so, _ moment... no, no. and that you try a tier system? know, so, the _ tier system? know, so, the implication _ tier system? know, so, the implication that _ tier system? know, so, the implication that you - ti
was your osition, vallance were read out. was your position. mr _ vallance were read out.the advice of your advisor is that there be a circuit breaker? no. . . is that there be a circuit breaker? no. . , ., ., ., ., no. that there be no national lockdown _ no. that there be no national lockdown at _ no. that there be no national lockdown at the _ no. that there be no national lockdown at the last - no. that there be no national lockdown at the last possible| lockdown at the last possible...
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mrcummings, sir patrick mr cummings, sir patrick vallance in his diaries, _ mr cummings, sir patrick vallance in his diaries, helen mcnamara had made reference _ his diaries, helen mcnamara had made reference to _ his diaries, helen mcnamara had made reference to you lying, to you getting — reference to you lying, to you getting overexcited and just saying staff, _ getting overexcited and just saying staff, that you say things which are people _ staff, that you say things which are people because they knew evidence base was _ people because they knew evidence base was not there. and out of fairness — base was not there. and out of fairness to— base was not there. and out of fairness to you, and because this is a vital— fairness to you, and because this is a vital issue — fairness to you, and because this is a vital issue that goes to how well the system of government was operating, yet being as you describe in your— operating, yet being as you describe in your blog, in the hotseat, how could _ in your blog, in the hotseat, how could to — in your blog, in the hotseat, how could to a —
mrcummings, sir patrick mr cummings, sir patrick vallance in his diaries, _ mr cummings, sir patrick vallance in his diaries, helen mcnamara had made reference _ his diaries, helen mcnamara had made reference to _ his diaries, helen mcnamara had made reference to you lying, to you getting — reference to you lying, to you getting overexcited and just saying staff, _ getting overexcited and just saying staff, that you say things which are people _ staff, that you say things which are people...
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mrjohnson looked irritated when he was read extracts from sir patrick vallance's diary, suggesting hevirus rip". frankly, it does not do justice to what we did, ourthoughts, ourfeelings, my thoughts, my feelings, to say that we were remotely reconciled to fatalities across the country. questioning then turned to rule breaking. first, his chief adviser, dominic cummings' visit to barnard castle. it was obviously damaging. it was a bad moment. and i won't, you know, pretend otherwise. and what about the parties in downing street, which led to more than 100 fines, including ones for the former and current prime ministers? he apologised again, but said he and staff thought they were within the rules. the version of events that has entered the popular consciousness about what is supposed to have happened in downing street is a million miles from the reality of what actually happened in numberio. bereaved families said today that mrjohnson was unfit for power and had failed to act quickly enough to protect lives. he, though, told the inquiry what he'd felt after being in hospital with covid
mrjohnson looked irritated when he was read extracts from sir patrick vallance's diary, suggesting hevirus rip". frankly, it does not do justice to what we did, ourthoughts, ourfeelings, my thoughts, my feelings, to say that we were remotely reconciled to fatalities across the country. questioning then turned to rule breaking. first, his chief adviser, dominic cummings' visit to barnard castle. it was obviously damaging. it was a bad moment. and i won't, you know, pretend otherwise. and...
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diary where patrick vallance's diary where patrick vallance's diary where patrick vallance had written minister opened a meeting with a discussion that perhaps the virus should be just allowed to let rip and that some of the people who were dying of the virus, those in their 80s and 90s had and i quote, had a good innings. and 90s had and i quote, had a good innings . now at that point good innings. now at that point bofis good innings. now at that point boris johnson started huffing and and he said to hugo and puffing and he said to hugo keith that, yes, he had well, he he didn't deny using the phrase let it rip. but he said that at that point it was his duty to try and challenge the consensus . try and challenge the consensus. he said that his feelings weren't reconciled to fatalities across the country. and he did not believe that the virus should be allowed to let rip. but his duty push back but it was his duty to push back against some of the predictions that the scientists were making and to provide some sort of alternative proposition. that was the first at moment where it got a
diary where patrick vallance's diary where patrick vallance's diary where patrick vallance had written minister opened a meeting with a discussion that perhaps the virus should be just allowed to let rip and that some of the people who were dying of the virus, those in their 80s and 90s had and i quote, had a good innings. and 90s had and i quote, had a good innings . now at that point good innings. now at that point bofis good innings. now at that point boris johnson started huffing and and...
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whether it is chris whitty or patrick vallance saying all the things i havejust whitty or patrick vallancet think you would find those types of, that type of communication forming part of the message early on in the pandemic. that is probably fair to say. mi that is probably fair to say. all ri . ht, that is probably fair to say. all right, 236536 page one, an e—mail your principal private secretary elizabeth perryman, dated the 6th of june 2020. the subject, prime minister, is read out, friday baylor, is that short hand for the meetings you had bilaterally with the prime minister? —— friday bilateral. yes. non—pharmaceutical intervention easements, no action, just for information only. your principal private secretary says, following the inconclusive strategy meeting, the prime minister, and chancellor met and discussed the plan for easements of mpis on friday. no other minister included, it shows the strength of the chancellor's voice in these discussions. did you see this e—mail after the event, did you see the readout? ., ., �* , , , readout? no, iwouldn't typically see these readouts.
whether it is chris whitty or patrick vallance saying all the things i havejust whitty or patrick vallancet think you would find those types of, that type of communication forming part of the message early on in the pandemic. that is probably fair to say. mi that is probably fair to say. all ri . ht, that is probably fair to say. all right, 236536 page one, an e—mail your principal private secretary elizabeth perryman, dated the 6th of june 2020. the subject, prime minister, is read out,...
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insert patrick vallance's diaries, he - patrick vallance's diaries, he described it as being very bullisheen yourself and mr hancock in the top team group on the 15th of july. the top team group on the 15th of july, you say i was calling because i'm very worried, we have gone fast and releasing lockdown, i am getting attraction on doing what's needed to protect the nhs. cases of track and trace are starting to rise. that is dated the 15th ofjuly, by which time the nhs track and trace system was up and running. maybe presume from these messages that it was very difficult to decide whether you are going too fast, would you wanting to reopen, let it rip, to use your words of whether or not you are going too fast and then becoming overly concerned about the winter and the rise in cases? first overly concerned about the winter and the rise in cases?— and the rise in cases? first of all, on the whatsapp _ and the rise in cases? first of all, on the whatsapp with _ and the rise in cases? first of all, on the whatsapp with matt - and the rise in cases? first of all, i on the whatsapp with matt ha
insert patrick vallance's diaries, he - patrick vallance's diaries, he described it as being very bullisheen yourself and mr hancock in the top team group on the 15th of july. the top team group on the 15th of july, you say i was calling because i'm very worried, we have gone fast and releasing lockdown, i am getting attraction on doing what's needed to protect the nhs. cases of track and trace are starting to rise. that is dated the 15th ofjuly, by which time the nhs track and trace system was...
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mrjohnson looked irritated when he was read extracts from sir patrick vallance's diary, suggesting herus rip". frankly, it does not do justice to what we did, ourthoughts, ourfeelings, my thoughts, my feelings, to say that we were remotely reconciled to fatalities across the country. questioning then turned to rule breaking. first, his chief adviser, dominic cummings' visit to barnard castle. it was obviously damaging. it was a bad moment. and i won't, you know, pretend otherwise. and what about the parties in downing street, which led to more than 100 fines, including ones for the former and current prime ministers? he apologised again, but said he and staff thought they were within the rules. the version of events that has entered the popular consciousness about what is supposed to have happened in downing street is a million miles from the reality of what actually happened in numberio. bereaved families said today that mrjohnson was unfit for power and had failed to act quickly enough to protect lives. he, though, told the inquiry what he'd felt after being in hospital with covid.
mrjohnson looked irritated when he was read extracts from sir patrick vallance's diary, suggesting herus rip". frankly, it does not do justice to what we did, ourthoughts, ourfeelings, my thoughts, my feelings, to say that we were remotely reconciled to fatalities across the country. questioning then turned to rule breaking. first, his chief adviser, dominic cummings' visit to barnard castle. it was obviously damaging. it was a bad moment. and i won't, you know, pretend otherwise. and what...
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mrjohnson looked irritated when he was read extracts from sir patrick vallance's diary, suggesting he did, ourthoughts, ourfeelings, my thoughts, my feelings, to say that we were remotely reconciled to fatalities across the country. questioning then turned to rule breaking. first, his chief adviser, dominic cummings' visit to barnard castle. it was obviously damaging. it was a bad moment. and i won't, you know, pretend otherwise. and what about the parties in downing street, which led to more than 100 fines, including ones for the former and current prime ministers? he apologised again, but said he and staff thought they were within the rules. the version of events that has entered the popular consciousness about what is supposed to have happened in downing street is a million miles from the reality of what actually happened in numberio. bereaved families said today that mrjohnson was unfit for power and had failed to act quickly enough to protect lives. he, though, told the inquiry what he'd felt after being in hospital with covid. i knew from that experience what an appalling diseas
mrjohnson looked irritated when he was read extracts from sir patrick vallance's diary, suggesting he did, ourthoughts, ourfeelings, my thoughts, my feelings, to say that we were remotely reconciled to fatalities across the country. questioning then turned to rule breaking. first, his chief adviser, dominic cummings' visit to barnard castle. it was obviously damaging. it was a bad moment. and i won't, you know, pretend otherwise. and what about the parties in downing street, which led to more...
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you allowed yourself _ go for the system of vallance. breaker but to do with whether or not as general policy, the great barrington approach, that is to say to use another expression, the llaatteerr web approach should be applied, or whether or not the general approach of caution should be applied. that was the debate on the 20th of september. the approach that is later reflected.— later reflected. what was so interesting _ later reflected. what was so interesting about _ later reflected. what was so interesting about that i later reflected. what was so l interesting about that debate, later reflected. what was so i interesting about that debate, as you can imagine, i listened with great care. actually, the scientists who had been billed as... to use your words, they llaatteerr rep brigade, they did not really support that approach. —— de let it rip the grade. the longer the conversation went on, i was fascinated to see how actually they migrated towards a precautionary approach towards the understanding that and pis were inevitable and
you allowed yourself _ go for the system of vallance. breaker but to do with whether or not as general policy, the great barrington approach, that is to say to use another expression, the llaatteerr web approach should be applied, or whether or not the general approach of caution should be applied. that was the debate on the 20th of september. the approach that is later reflected.— later reflected. what was so interesting _ later reflected. what was so interesting about _ later reflected....
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vallance noted the heavy trailing in the press of the government measures which we had out, he has madeng school back in september, if schools are to return, the policymakers may have to re—oppose restrictions in other places like retail. the government had obviously made the various decisions that it made in relation to the three steps in the road map, but by the end ofjune the treasury was of course considering the voucher scheme that became eat out to help out, was that not considered at the end ofjune without before it came in in august? i at the end ofjune without before it came in in august?— came in in august? i don't recall, the exit plan _ came in in august? i don't recall, the exit plan had _ came in in august? i don't recall, the exit plan had not _ came in in august? i don't recall, the exit plan had not changed, i i came in in august? i don't recall, i the exit plan had not changed, i was strongly recall it being modelled in terms of the impact on r people being comforted ball that it kept things at that level. the other things at that level. the other thing that you are co
vallance noted the heavy trailing in the press of the government measures which we had out, he has madeng school back in september, if schools are to return, the policymakers may have to re—oppose restrictions in other places like retail. the government had obviously made the various decisions that it made in relation to the three steps in the road map, but by the end ofjune the treasury was of course considering the voucher scheme that became eat out to help out, was that not considered at...
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debates that were raging in downing street, and that this led to a degree of chaos or to use sir patrick vallance's, operational inefficiency. were you aware that his closest advisers had seemingly unanimously taken the view that there was a lack of efficiency, that there was a lack of efficiency, that there was a lack of efficiency, that the administration described privately as brutal and useless, criminally incompetent or operationally chaotic, was any other known to you? h0. operationally chaotic, was any other known to you?— known to you? no, i don't think any of those comments _ known to you? no, i don't think any of those comments were _ known to you? no, i don't think any of those comments were shared - known to you? no, i don't think any| of those comments were shared with me at the time. he made a point, though, as if debates raged. —— you made a point. i don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. it's right that there was a vigorous debate because these were incredibly consequential decisions of tens of millions of people. in all spheres, whether it was health, education, economic, whe
debates that were raging in downing street, and that this led to a degree of chaos or to use sir patrick vallance's, operational inefficiency. were you aware that his closest advisers had seemingly unanimously taken the view that there was a lack of efficiency, that there was a lack of efficiency, that there was a lack of efficiency, that the administration described privately as brutal and useless, criminally incompetent or operationally chaotic, was any other known to you? h0. operationally...
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. adviser, sir patrick vallance.ime minister, says when the idea was discussed, it was because he wanted to challenge the consensus and an external review has found itv made considerable efforts to uncover the truth about an alleged relationship involving phillip schofield with a junior member of staff. it said the broadcaster was aware of rumours circulating in 2019, but was unable to uncover the relevant evidence until the tv presenter made an admission in may last year. in total, 48 people were interviewed for the review, but the report's author says schofield reluctantly declined to take part because of the risk to his health. and the bbc licence fee is increasing . bbc licence fee is increasing. to £169.50 next year. it follows a two year price freeze . it was a two year price freeze. it was due to rise in line with inflation, but will instead be based on september's consumer pfices based on september's consumer prices index. the national union of journalists says it will leave the bbc with a £90 million funding
. adviser, sir patrick vallance.ime minister, says when the idea was discussed, it was because he wanted to challenge the consensus and an external review has found itv made considerable efforts to uncover the truth about an alleged relationship involving phillip schofield with a junior member of staff. it said the broadcaster was aware of rumours circulating in 2019, but was unable to uncover the relevant evidence until the tv presenter made an admission in may last year. in total, 48 people...
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and the inquiry has seen a diary entry in to patrick vallance's notes where you exclaim in frustrationions? they are very difficult to understand and giving rise to a significant degree of confusion. did that debate ever take place? taste significant degree of confusion. did that debate ever take place? we did that debate ever take place? we did t to make that debate ever take place? we did try to make the _ that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules _ that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules as _ that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules as simple - that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules as simple as i try to make the rules as simple as we could — try to make the rules as simple as we could. the problem was the effort didm _ we could. the problem was the effort didm to— we could. the problem was the effort didm to get— we could. the problem was the effort did... to get people to self—isolate, to avoid contact because _ self—isolate, to avoid contact because of the complexities of human life became extremely complicated
and the inquiry has seen a diary entry in to patrick vallance's notes where you exclaim in frustrationions? they are very difficult to understand and giving rise to a significant degree of confusion. did that debate ever take place? taste significant degree of confusion. did that debate ever take place? we did that debate ever take place? we did t to make that debate ever take place? we did try to make the _ that debate ever take place? we did try to make the rules _ that debate ever take...
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said it was vallance themselves said it was flu like symptoms in most people. shoving people.ng this in people's arms this medication in people's arms when were quite capable of when they were quite capable of developing immunity developing their own immunity and developing their own immunity ancwhat i want is a conversation >> what i want is a conversation all of this, it's years now that we've that this information has been circulating. look looking for somewhere to go and you would expect it to be discussed in a forum like the house of commons or or elsewhere in the pubuc commons or or elsewhere in the public domain, or even the covid inquiry. how do you interpret exactly the covid inquiry how do you interpret this continual refusal? frankly to contemplate the to contemplate both sides of this equation and, and try to find an answer for what's happening? look let's just cut through this, shall we? >> the only reason that people don't want to have honest conversations is because they have conflict. and when i talk about conflict, it's a lot of people a lot of money and peopl
said it was vallance themselves said it was flu like symptoms in most people. shoving people.ng this in people's arms this medication in people's arms when were quite capable of when they were quite capable of developing immunity developing their own immunity and developing their own immunity ancwhat i want is a conversation >> what i want is a conversation all of this, it's years now that we've that this information has been circulating. look looking for somewhere to go and you would...
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patrick vallance >> yes, sir.rick vallance is full diaries to be kept full pandemic diaries to be kept secret, requests secret, as lawyers have requests because they say it's publishing his diary in full would breach his diary in full would breach his human rights. apparently there's human right to keep there's a human right to keep a diary. apparently everybody's a ten old girl. yeah, and the ten year old girl. yeah, and the government your big brother government is your big brother wanting look through it and wanting to look through it and see what you but see what boys you like. but yeah, there yeah, no, there is there is a human right to private life human right to a private life and family life. but was this and a family life. but was this and a family life. but was this a about a diary specifically about covid? >> i was going to say, but it says pandemic was just says pandemic diary. was it just a he kept about a list of notes he kept about the pandemic? because he's the actual i think that's the thing. >> i
patrick vallance >> yes, sir.rick vallance is full diaries to be kept full pandemic diaries to be kept secret, requests secret, as lawyers have requests because they say it's publishing his diary in full would breach his diary in full would breach his human rights. apparently there's human right to keep there's a human right to keep a diary. apparently everybody's a ten old girl. yeah, and the ten year old girl. yeah, and the government your big brother government is your big brother...
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whatever the psychology and mood of sir patrick vallance . mr i'm of sir patrick vallance. i don't wish to attribute that psychological state to any individual, but no, no, no. >> we'll wait for the question. please whatever states they were in and even if they were in a state of being crushed by self criticism and self doubt , that criticism and self doubt, that hardly explains why a significant number of witnesses describe objectively early chaos inside the dhsc well, i think it goes. >> i think the reason is that you've got a once in a century pandemic for which , sadly , the pandemic for which, sadly, the there was no proper preparation in the country because we didn't know how to deal with a highly contagious coronavirus pandemic at and all the pressure initially was on good hardworking department of health officials who of course felt under huge , huge personal and under huge, huge personal and professional obligation to get things right and who naturally were in a in a in a state of great anxiety and i just get back to my point the my job was to decide whether the th
whatever the psychology and mood of sir patrick vallance . mr i'm of sir patrick vallance. i don't wish to attribute that psychological state to any individual, but no, no, no. >> we'll wait for the question. please whatever states they were in and even if they were in a state of being crushed by self criticism and self doubt , that criticism and self doubt, that hardly explains why a significant number of witnesses describe objectively early chaos inside the dhsc well, i think it goes....
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put in his notebooks — what sir patrick vallance put in his notebooks that at this very time in octoberore this inquiry that sage was pushing for exempting children from the rule of six _ for exempting children from the rule of six i'rn _ for exempting children from the rule of six. i'm afraid that it does contradict _ of six. i'm afraid that it does contradict the evidence you have 'ust contradict the evidence you have just given, — contradict the evidence you have just given, doesn't it? | contradict the evidence you have just given, doesn't it?— just given, doesn't it? i haven't seen that— just given, doesn't it? i haven't seen that evidence, _ just given, doesn't it? i haven't seen that evidence, all - just given, doesn't it? i haven't seen that evidence, all i - just given, doesn't it? i haven't seen that evidence, all i can i just given, doesn't it? i haven't. seen that evidence, all i can give you is the testimony of what i was told at the time and the overriding strategic objective i had to save lives. strategic ob'ective i had to save lives. .. .. strategic ob'ective i had to s
put in his notebooks — what sir patrick vallance put in his notebooks that at this very time in octoberore this inquiry that sage was pushing for exempting children from the rule of six _ for exempting children from the rule of six i'rn _ for exempting children from the rule of six. i'm afraid that it does contradict _ of six. i'm afraid that it does contradict the evidence you have 'ust contradict the evidence you have just given, — contradict the evidence you have just given, doesn't it?...
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sir patrick vallance, the government's then chief scientific advisor, wrote in his private diary...oon meeting with the pm on schools. my god, this is complicated. models will not provide the answer. pm is clearly bamboozled." there are also questions about why the former pm didn t attend the first five cobra meetings to do with the pandemic. his own bout of covid could come up with questions about whether he was fit enough to run the country at the time after being in intensive care. some newspapers have said borisjohnson will admit he made mistakes and say that he and his government were initially far too complacent. we'll hear whether that's the case. but for the families of those who lost loved ones during the pandemic, his answers will be properly digested and judged as to whether he, the man in charge at the time, could have done more to prevent their deaths. joining me now to discuss from leeds is anne longfield, the children's commissioner at the height of the pandemic who is now chair of the young lives commission. kit yates, a scientist who was a member of independent sage
sir patrick vallance, the government's then chief scientific advisor, wrote in his private diary...oon meeting with the pm on schools. my god, this is complicated. models will not provide the answer. pm is clearly bamboozled." there are also questions about why the former pm didn t attend the first five cobra meetings to do with the pandemic. his own bout of covid could come up with questions about whether he was fit enough to run the country at the time after being in intensive care. some...
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notes from the private diary of sir patrick vallance were read out.mrjohnson, that in light of your views secretly held about people dying, having reached their time anyway, that you were obliged to reject the advice of your advisors that there be a circuit breaker? no. that there be no national lockdown at the last possible moment... no, no. and that you try a tier system? no, so, the implication that you are trying to draw from those conversations is completely wrong. and my position was that we had to save human life at all ages. instead, lighter touch restrictions were introduced in england. the rule of six, an earlier closing time for pubs and there would be heavy fines for breaking the rules. did you think that a new flat fine of £10,000 was proportionate? it was very high. it wasjust... was it proportionate, in light of the civil libertarian issues? the answer is no. different regional restrictions, known as tiers, were introduced. every mp argued that their area shouldn't be in a higher tier, they should be in a lower tier. so everyone is argu
notes from the private diary of sir patrick vallance were read out.mrjohnson, that in light of your views secretly held about people dying, having reached their time anyway, that you were obliged to reject the advice of your advisors that there be a circuit breaker? no. that there be no national lockdown at the last possible moment... no, no. and that you try a tier system? no, so, the implication that you are trying to draw from those conversations is completely wrong. and my position was that...
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patrick vallance >> yes, sir.atrick vallance is full diaries to be kept full pandemic diaries to be kept secret, requests secret, as lawyers have requests because they say it's publishing his diary in full would breach his diary in full would breach his human rights. apparently there's human right to keep there's a human right to keep a diary. apparently everybody's a ten old girl. yeah, and the ten year old girl. yeah, and the government your big brother government is your big brother wanting look through it and wanting to look through it and see what you but see what boys you like. but yeah, there yeah, no, there is there is a human right a private life human right to a private life and family life. but was this and a family life. but was this and a family life. but was this a about a diary specifically about covid? >> i was going to say, but it says pandemic diary. just says pandemic diary. was it just a he kept about a list of notes he kept about the pandemic? because he's the actual i think that's the thing.
patrick vallance >> yes, sir.atrick vallance is full diaries to be kept full pandemic diaries to be kept secret, requests secret, as lawyers have requests because they say it's publishing his diary in full would breach his diary in full would breach his human rights. apparently there's human right to keep there's a human right to keep a diary. apparently everybody's a ten old girl. yeah, and the ten year old girl. yeah, and the government your big brother government is your big brother...
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take this from former chief scientific adviser patrick vallance.hs he said that was highly likely. all questions rishi sunak likely to face later. thank you. well, it's a difficult week for the prime minister, with the fate of legislation on his flagship rwanda policy resting in the hands of various factions of the conservative party. they're holding key meetings today to decide whether or not they'll support the bill. rishi sunak claims his legislation will stop the most legal challenges against asylum seekers being sent to rwanda. the vote on the bill is tomorrow, and our political correspondent hannah miller is at westminster now. what is your latest information on how tory mps might vote on this? this meeting of the right wing group d arg group of mps is still going on at the moment. but they have essentially sought their own legal advice on the rwanda legislation and they have given us a summary of what it says. they say that the rwanda bill provides a partial and incomplete solution to what they see as the problem of the courts potentially be
take this from former chief scientific adviser patrick vallance.hs he said that was highly likely. all questions rishi sunak likely to face later. thank you. well, it's a difficult week for the prime minister, with the fate of legislation on his flagship rwanda policy resting in the hands of various factions of the conservative party. they're holding key meetings today to decide whether or not they'll support the bill. rishi sunak claims his legislation will stop the most legal challenges...
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earlier in this inquiry, vallance inquiry, sir patrick vallance said the should have said that the ukdown earlier than it and was hardly challenged it did and was hardly challenged by keith kc my next guest by hugo keith kc my next guest has argued that the lockdowns were brutal and disproportionate, and as the days, weeks and months go by, he continues to be vindicated. well, joined by one of the few voices who spoke out against lockdown, the oncologist and one of the world's leading authorities cancer, karol authorities on cancer, karol sikora. thank you much for sikora. thank you very much for joining me when everybody was advocating lockdowns, what what was it in your understanding of the facts that made you sceptical ? sceptical? >> i think it was one evening about 8:00 at night. i was phoned up by a patient of mine who said the chemotherapy for high risk breast cancer had been stopped mid—course because of covid. and i said, well, have you been infected? is that the problem? they don't want to tell you because you have the virus. no, they're just not doing no, no. they're just n
earlier in this inquiry, vallance inquiry, sir patrick vallance said the should have said that the ukdown earlier than it and was hardly challenged it did and was hardly challenged by keith kc my next guest by hugo keith kc my next guest has argued that the lockdowns were brutal and disproportionate, and as the days, weeks and months go by, he continues to be vindicated. well, joined by one of the few voices who spoke out against lockdown, the oncologist and one of the world's leading...
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earlier in this inquiry, vallance inquiry, sir patrick vallance said the should have said that the ukdown earlier than it and was hardly challenged it did and was hardly challenged by keith kc my next guest by hugo keith kc my next guest has argued that the lockdowns were brutal and disproportionate, and as the days, weeks and months go by, he continues to be vindicated. well, joined by one of the few voices who spoke out against lockdown, the oncologist and one of the world's leading authorities cancer, karol authorities on cancer, karol sikora. thank you much for sikora. thank you very much for joining me when everybody was advocating lockdowns, what what was it in your understanding of the facts that made you sceptical ? sceptical? >> i think it was one evening about 8:00 at night. i was phoned up by a patient of mine who said the chemotherapy for high risk breast cancer had been stopped mid—course because of covid. and i said, well, have you been infected? is that the problem? they don't want to tell you because you have the virus. no, they're just not doing no, no. they're just n
earlier in this inquiry, vallance inquiry, sir patrick vallance said the should have said that the ukdown earlier than it and was hardly challenged it did and was hardly challenged by keith kc my next guest by hugo keith kc my next guest has argued that the lockdowns were brutal and disproportionate, and as the days, weeks and months go by, he continues to be vindicated. well, joined by one of the few voices who spoke out against lockdown, the oncologist and one of the world's leading...
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this is a page from professor vallance's diaries. relating to that day.he flavour of it?— the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you _ the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you if— the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you if indeed _ the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you if indeed it _ the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you if indeed it is - can tell you if indeed it is accurate, _ can tell you if indeed it is accurate, as what i would have been saying _ accurate, as what i would have been saying is_ accurate, as what i would have been saying is that this is september, we are in— saying is that this is september, we are in a, _ saying is that this is september, we are in a, as — saying is that this is september, we are in a, as i — saying is that this is september, we are in a, as i was saying earlier to mr keith. — are in a, as i was saying earlier to mr keith, you can see the risk that the risk— mr keith, you can see the risk that the risk of— mr keith, you can see the risk that the risk of viruses going to start tak
this is a page from professor vallance's diaries. relating to that day.he flavour of it?— the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you _ the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you if— the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you if indeed _ the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you if indeed it _ the flavour of it? now, but what i can tell you if indeed it is - can tell you if indeed it is accurate, _ can tell you if indeed it is accurate, as what i would have been saying _...
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so which is saying one thing, vallance is saying one thing, vallance is saying something else.omething else . something over . rab is saying something over there. the idea that he there. actually the idea that he is prepared to be flexible, to move around actually , you'd want move around actually, you'd want somebody to be flexible . and so somebody to be flexible. and so i no criticism of when you i have no criticism of when you when you're when your feet are put to the fire that actually some times you are changing your mind over issues. and i don't see what the point is. and as for this kc, how much is he being paid? how much is this not costing us? why are we doing all this? and actually, do you know what? at the end of it, the report when it comes out, it'll say something like there were a few mistakes few few few mistakes and a few few thousand people died and that will kelvin has a point here. >> michelle and it is much >> michelle and that it is much easier all three of us and easier for all three of us and indeed people at home to say this is what should have done thi
so which is saying one thing, vallance is saying one thing, vallance is saying something else.omething else . something over . rab is saying something over there. the idea that he there. actually the idea that he is prepared to be flexible, to move around actually , you'd want move around actually, you'd want somebody to be flexible . and so somebody to be flexible. and so i no criticism of when you i have no criticism of when you when you're when your feet are put to the fire that actually...
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finally, sir patrick vallance, the former chief scientific adviser, was asked whether it was likely that it was highly likely. there has been a study into the impact of eat out to help out by the university of warwick — they think it added around one and six cases, which would be pretty significant. but not everyone is convinced — other experts have said the scheme was unlikely to have had a big impact on how winter 2020 played out, culminating in that second lockdown. let's also have a look at this screen, which shows us what was going on in other european countries. as you can see, france and spain have big increases in the virus, biggerthan and spain have big increases in the virus, bigger than the uk. neither of them had an eat out to help out scheme. there's also the economic argument that rishi sunak has been making at the inquiry today — hospitality was struggling, and to balance the economic problems with health. we can't be certain how many cases were caused simply by eat out to help out. rishi sunak has insisted he thought it was safe — many of the medical experts are convinced
finally, sir patrick vallance, the former chief scientific adviser, was asked whether it was likely that it was highly likely. there has been a study into the impact of eat out to help out by the university of warwick — they think it added around one and six cases, which would be pretty significant. but not everyone is convinced — other experts have said the scheme was unlikely to have had a big impact on how winter 2020 played out, culminating in that second lockdown. let's also have a...
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he was shown diary entries from the chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance, some of them excruciating they�*ve had a good innings. he suggested he was putting forward arguments that others were making. that there would be no national lockdown until the last possible moment and that you would try a tier system. no, no. here was a former prime minister offering a staunch defence of his actions, pushing back strongly on the accusation he moved too late. he had this to say about the partygate scandal. the dramatic representations that we are now having of this are absolutely absurd and i want to repeat that, they are a million miles from the reality of what happened. that prompted a rare intervention from the inquiry chair. so many of them who suffered horrific grief during lockdown, partygate has been called...exacerbated their grief. i totally understand their feelings. borisjohnson has at times shown his emotions. the suggestion he didn�*t care about older people dying prompted this. some of us were going to make it and some of us weren't. to say that i didn't care about the suffering
he was shown diary entries from the chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance, some of them excruciating they�*ve had a good innings. he suggested he was putting forward arguments that others were making. that there would be no national lockdown until the last possible moment and that you would try a tier system. no, no. here was a former prime minister offering a staunch defence of his actions, pushing back strongly on the accusation he moved too late. he had this to say about the...
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department at the . member of your department at the time was encouraged to attend and if facts are patrick vallancethe permanent secretary in your department. you also say that for a year, government policy and the fate of millions was being decided by half explained graphs cooked up by outside academics. that wasn't a reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? _ reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? it _ reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? it is _ reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? it is page - reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? it is page six. - reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? it is page six. uki where is that? it is page six. uk government _ where is that? it is page six. uk government policy _ where is that? it is page six. uk government policy and - where is that? it is page six. uk government policy and the - where is that? it is page six. uk government policy and the fate | where is that? it is page six. uk i government policy and the fate of millions was being explained by half explained graphs cooked up by outside a
department at the . member of your department at the time was encouraged to attend and if facts are patrick vallancethe permanent secretary in your department. you also say that for a year, government policy and the fate of millions was being decided by half explained graphs cooked up by outside academics. that wasn't a reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? _ reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? it _ reference to sage, was it? sorry, where is that? it is _ reference to...
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vouchers for children who are entitled to free school meals and an extract from the diary of sir patrick vallance issue came up 13th ofjune where this issue came up and said patrick has suggested that somebody at the meeting said good working people pay for their children to eat and don't want freeloaders and he has suggested that in the context of the chancellor of the exchequer and the chief whip. plainly, you can both have said it but i want you to please answer whether or not anybody did say those words? i did please answer whether or not anybody did say those words?— did say those words? i did not say those words _ did say those words? i did not say those words and _ did say those words? i did not say those words and i _ did say those words? i did not say those words and i don't _ did say those words? i did not say those words and i don't recollect i those words and i don't recollect anyone saying those words and my concern throughout the pandemic was making sure we had support in place for the most vulnerable and as all the evidence now shows and as independent analysts have said, i was sch
vouchers for children who are entitled to free school meals and an extract from the diary of sir patrick vallance issue came up 13th ofjune where this issue came up and said patrick has suggested that somebody at the meeting said good working people pay for their children to eat and don't want freeloaders and he has suggested that in the context of the chancellor of the exchequer and the chief whip. plainly, you can both have said it but i want you to please answer whether or not anybody did...
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mr cummings, says you turn to him and said, why aren't hancock whitty vallance telling me this? alluding to the i was i was looking with no dis may at what was happening, dismay about what was happening, dismay about what we were going to have to do. and reflecting that this was not the message i i'm conjecturing this is not the message that i've been having from them in the past few days. you don't recall? i don't recall saying that . saying that. >> right. let's let's have a >> all right. let's let's have a quick look at the one of the papers, the briefing on the covid response that was put before you on the saturday 183889. >> this is the document which sets out the current plan on and the proposed alternative plan on briefing on covid 19 response. there's a variant on the graph that you saw before, but yes, i saw the page current plan . if saw the page current plan. if you could scroll back out again, we can see current plan, an alternative plan at the bottom of the page and in summary, is this correct? mr johnson throughout that weekend of the 14th and 15th of march, there
mr cummings, says you turn to him and said, why aren't hancock whitty vallance telling me this? alluding to the i was i was looking with no dis may at what was happening, dismay about what was happening, dismay about what we were going to have to do. and reflecting that this was not the message i i'm conjecturing this is not the message that i've been having from them in the past few days. you don't recall? i don't recall saying that . saying that. >> right. let's let's have a >>...
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he was shown diary entries from the chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance, some of them excruciatinghere will be more casualties but so be it— yes, there will be more casualties but so be it. he suggested he was -auttin but so be it. he suggested he was putting forward — but so be it. he suggested he was putting forward arguments - but so be it. he suggested he was putting forward arguments that i putting forward arguments that others were making. that putting forward arguments that others were making.— putting forward arguments that others were making. that they would be no national— others were making. that they would be no national lockdown _ others were making. that they would be no national lockdown until- others were making. that they would be no national lockdown until the - be no national lockdown until the last moment and that you will try a tier system. last moment and that you will try a tier system-— last moment and that you will try a tier system. no. here was a former prime minister _ tier system. no. here was a former prime minister offering _ tier system. no. here was
he was shown diary entries from the chief scientific adviser sir patrick vallance, some of them excruciatinghere will be more casualties but so be it— yes, there will be more casualties but so be it. he suggested he was -auttin but so be it. he suggested he was putting forward — but so be it. he suggested he was putting forward arguments - but so be it. he suggested he was putting forward arguments that i putting forward arguments that others were making. that putting forward arguments that...
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the scientists as well, chris whitty, patrick vallance , they whitty, patrick vallance, they have beenetty critical of his understanding of the severity of the pandemic in those early days. so yeah, he's going to have to come out fighting to try to put across his side of the argument because there's no doubt that his already pretty damaged reputation come for damaged reputation has come for in of a battering so far in a bit of a battering so far in a bit of a battering so far in the inquiry. >> it should be interesting, given , you know, the barrister given, you know, the barrister will go through line by line, painstakingly in a way that will really sort of turn the screw, if you like , on the former prime if you like, on the former prime minister. you know , it's very minister. you know, it's very difficult to pin him down sometimes. i think that's fair to say. as one of his notorious traits. yes. but this barrister will absolutely be, you know, putting him on the spot over the next couple of days. >> absolutely. he's going to be have to be right across the detail, all of his evidenc
the scientists as well, chris whitty, patrick vallance , they whitty, patrick vallance, they have beenetty critical of his understanding of the severity of the pandemic in those early days. so yeah, he's going to have to come out fighting to try to put across his side of the argument because there's no doubt that his already pretty damaged reputation come for damaged reputation has come for in of a battering so far in a bit of a battering so far in a bit of a battering so far in the inquiry....
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according to sir patrick vallance, he described your administration brutal and cruel and motivated peoplengs of number ten, as you say, to the process and the operation of government, as opposed to the atmospherics, would you not agree? again, ithink atmospherics, would you not agree? again, i think that what you are looking at in all this stuff is a loss of highly talented and highly motivated people that mac is a lot. they are stricken with anxiety about what is happening —— is a lot of highly talented and highly motivated people. like all human beings, they were under great stress and great anxiety about themselves and their own performance. they were inclined to be critical of others. that would have been the same of any administration facing the same sort of challenges on that scale. but administration facing the same sort of challenges on that scale.- of challenges on that scale. but do ou acce -t of challenges on that scale. but do you accept that _ of challenges on that scale. but do you accept that there _ of challenges on that scale. but do you accept that there is _ of challeng
according to sir patrick vallance, he described your administration brutal and cruel and motivated peoplengs of number ten, as you say, to the process and the operation of government, as opposed to the atmospherics, would you not agree? again, ithink atmospherics, would you not agree? again, i think that what you are looking at in all this stuff is a loss of highly talented and highly motivated people that mac is a lot. they are stricken with anxiety about what is happening —— is a lot of...
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admittedly behind closed doors and were never really meant to see the light of day, we had patrick vallance's rees, plenty has come out about that and how things were working in the background and some of these crass statements that were made —— dai rees. as he said there were never meant to be seen. boris johnson i suspect never meant for any of his whatsapp messages to be heard. but i guess it never comes as a surprise that some of these things will be really uncomfortable for many of the protesters to hear, but that kind of fits with his personality, to have a bit of a joke, which doesn't necessarily mean he was underplaying it, it was maybe a coping mechanism. because at the end of the day borisjohnson and his team were all human as well and these were unprecedented times. maybe his coping mechanism was having a bit of a laugh about it because the situation was so awful. are we being too prudish byjudging him? the are we being too prudish by “udging him? , ., , ., ., ., him? the questions about language are important— him? the questions about language are important because _ him? the ques
admittedly behind closed doors and were never really meant to see the light of day, we had patrick vallance's rees, plenty has come out about that and how things were working in the background and some of these crass statements that were made —— dai rees. as he said there were never meant to be seen. boris johnson i suspect never meant for any of his whatsapp messages to be heard. but i guess it never comes as a surprise that some of these things will be really uncomfortable for many of the...
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decide the strategies and you decide it, did you not, by the sunday night when you called sir patrick vallancet was absolutely clear by the saturday _ done? yes, i mean, it was absolutely clear by the saturday that _ done? yes, i mean, it was absolutely clear by the saturday that we - done? yes, i mean, it was absolutely clear by the saturday that we had i done? yes, i mean, it was absolutely clear by the saturday that we had to i clear by the saturday that we had to act. clear by the saturday that we had to act we _ clear by the saturday that we had to act. we were of time. the clear by the saturday that we had to act. we were of time.— act. we were of time. the inquiry needs to ask— act. we were of time. the inquiry needs to ask you _ act. we were of time. the inquiry needs to ask you this, _ act. we were of time. the inquiry needs to ask you this, to - act. we were of time. the inquiry needs to ask you this, to what i needs to ask you this, to what extent did you appreciate by the sunday night that a lockdown decision, a stay at home mandatory order was it inevitable? it honestly wasn't imp
decide the strategies and you decide it, did you not, by the sunday night when you called sir patrick vallancet was absolutely clear by the saturday _ done? yes, i mean, it was absolutely clear by the saturday that _ done? yes, i mean, it was absolutely clear by the saturday that we - done? yes, i mean, it was absolutely clear by the saturday that we had i done? yes, i mean, it was absolutely clear by the saturday that we had to i clear by the saturday that we had to act. clear by the saturday...
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one of sir patrick vallance's entries appears to suggest that in relation to manchester and mr burnham. would you agree? did that happen? i am for nakedly political reasons. would you agree? did that happen? i am not certain there — you agree? did that happen? i am not certain there is _ you agree? did that happen? i am not certain there is a _ you agree? did that happen? i am not certain there is a conservative - certain there is a conservative mayor — certain there is a conservative mayor of _ certain there is a conservative mayor of liverpool. a certain there is a conservative mayor of liverpool.— certain there is a conservative mayor of liverpool. a view was taken u on the mayor of liverpool. a view was taken upon the nature _ mayor of liverpool. a view was taken upon the nature of— mayor of liverpool. a view was taken upon the nature of the _ mayor of liverpool. a view was taken upon the nature of the local - upon the nature of the local leadership in manchester and davy was taken about how cooperative... oh, i see. was taken about how cooperative... oh, isee. therefore was taken
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obe patrick vallance, the chief scientific officer, was on the radio speaking about that very thing ., what came out at thing. well, what came out at the inquiry today was an agreement between hugo keith and bofis agreement between hugo keith and boris johnson that herd immunity certainly didn't work that by july of 2020, only about 6 to 7% of people had antibodies. so therefore it had been infected . therefore it had been infected. so herd immunity wasn't the answer. so, yes, you're right. the science did keep changing . the science did keep changing. i'm not sure it had been terribly helpful to us all for the scientists to have come forward and said actually, we don't know what we're doing, but clearly they didn't know what they doing and what the they were doing and what the covid inquiry is about is see if you can improve that process in case of a future pandemic. >> we've had a day of a two day evidence session from the former prime minister, not once that i heard has the barrister said to the former prime minister, what lessons have you learned upon lots of time to reflect on it.
obe patrick vallance, the chief scientific officer, was on the radio speaking about that very thing ., what came out at thing. well, what came out at the inquiry today was an agreement between hugo keith and bofis agreement between hugo keith and boris johnson that herd immunity certainly didn't work that by july of 2020, only about 6 to 7% of people had antibodies. so therefore it had been infected . therefore it had been infected. so herd immunity wasn't the answer. so, yes, you're right....
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the chief scientific adviser to patrick vallance told this inquiry that it was entirely foreseeable thatort questions for you. one, with your eat out to help out scheme specifically please telus what were the specific measures or considerations in its design to address the vulnerabilities of ethnic minority workers in the hospitality sectors and other sectors? figs hospitality sectors and other sectors? �* , hospitality sectors and other sectors? a ., . ., ., sectors? as i touched on earlier, it was precisely _ sectors? as i touched on earlier, it was precisely because _ sectors? as i touched on earlier, it was precisely because the - sectors? as i touched on earlier, it was precisely because the millions| was precisely because the millions of people — was precisely because the millions of people who worked in that industry— of people who worked in that industry were disproportionately from _ industry were disproportionately from vulnerable groups, lower paid people _ from vulnerable groups, lower paid people moving, that i thought as a matter— people moving, that i thought as a matter of
the chief scientific adviser to patrick vallance told this inquiry that it was entirely foreseeable thatort questions for you. one, with your eat out to help out scheme specifically please telus what were the specific measures or considerations in its design to address the vulnerabilities of ethnic minority workers in the hospitality sectors and other sectors? figs hospitality sectors and other sectors? �* , hospitality sectors and other sectors? a ., . ., ., sectors? as i touched on...
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i thought it was awful the way that it he didn't bother really holding whitty and vallance's feet tos it were because as they both said things that were reasonably sensible and then changed their minds and they went along with the consensus that came down from sage, which was then guided by modelling from tom ferguson and his colleagues. and what came down was only ever the worst case scenario for them to have a fear factor on. so all rational . fear factor on. so all rational. he went out the window. i felt . he went out the window. i felt. >> but we heard from rishi sunak today that actually we were all told that sage had this great consensus and trust the scientists. but said actually scientists. but he said actually he there that consensus he there wasn't that consensus within sage. you can sort of understand that. mean, this understand that. i mean, this thing fast moving. they thing was very fast moving. they were grappling with the were all grappling with it. the advice changing, but they advice was changing, but they didn't us the truth on didn't tell us the truth on that, di
i thought it was awful the way that it he didn't bother really holding whitty and vallance's feet tos it were because as they both said things that were reasonably sensible and then changed their minds and they went along with the consensus that came down from sage, which was then guided by modelling from tom ferguson and his colleagues. and what came down was only ever the worst case scenario for them to have a fear factor on. so all rational . fear factor on. so all rational. he went out the...
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and at this point, i thought what happened here was hancock is patrick vallance had it nailed on the head. he said he had a habit of saying things which he didn't have a basis for. and the key point there was hugo keefe was on a minute. was saying, hold on a minute. you book that said this you had a book that said this was the whole truth. this was the pandemic, the raw details of it. and in there , he never it. and in there, he never mentioned anything about the 13th march. and the immediate lockdown and the call with the prime now all of a prime minister. and now all of a sudden he's pulled it out of the bag.soi sudden he's pulled it out of the bag. so i think actually, how can we trust these people on hearsay ? and i have to say, most hearsay? and i have to say, most of the things that hancock said today, i just found them. we didn't anything, any didn't learn anything, any lessons whatsoever. did you find it as interesting as i did, professor, the week professor, that in the week questions were asked? >> i think by michael gove, the levelling secretary about the levelling up secr
and at this point, i thought what happened here was hancock is patrick vallance had it nailed on the head. he said he had a habit of saying things which he didn't have a basis for. and the key point there was hugo keefe was on a minute. was saying, hold on a minute. you book that said this you had a book that said this was the whole truth. this was the pandemic, the raw details of it. and in there , he never it. and in there, he never mentioned anything about the 13th march. and the immediate...
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obe patrick vallance, the chief scientific officer, was on the radio speaking about that very thing .what came out at thing. well, what came out at the inquiry today was an agreement between hugo keith and bofis agreement between hugo keith and boris johnson that herd immunity certainly didn't work that by july of 2020, only about 6 to 7% of people had antibodies. so therefore it had been infected . therefore it had been infected. so herd immunity wasn't the answer. so, yes, you're right. the science did keep changing . the science did keep changing. i'm not sure it had been terribly helpful to us all for the scientists to have come forward and said actually, we don't know what we're doing, but clearly they didn't know what they doing and what the they were doing and what the covid inquiry is about is see if you can improve that process in case of a future pandemic. >> we've had a day of a two day evidence session from the former prime minister, not once that i heard has the barrister said to the former prime minister, what lessons have you learned upon lots of time to reflect on it. s
obe patrick vallance, the chief scientific officer, was on the radio speaking about that very thing .what came out at thing. well, what came out at the inquiry today was an agreement between hugo keith and bofis agreement between hugo keith and boris johnson that herd immunity certainly didn't work that by july of 2020, only about 6 to 7% of people had antibodies. so therefore it had been infected . therefore it had been infected. so herd immunity wasn't the answer. so, yes, you're right. the...
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i thought it was awful the way that it he didn't bother really holding whitty and vallance's feet tos it were because as they both said things that were reasonably sensible and then changed their minds and they went along with the consensus that came down from sage, which was then guided by modelling from tom ferguson and his colleagues. and what came down was only ever the worst case scenario for them to have a fear factor on. so all rational . fear factor on. so all rational. he went out the window. i felt . he went out the window. i felt. >> but we heard from rishi sunak today that actually we were all told that sage had this great consensus and trust the scientists. but said actually scientists. but he said actually he there that consensus he there wasn't that consensus within sage. you can sort of understand that. mean, this understand that. i mean, this thing fast moving. they thing was very fast moving. they were grappling with the were all grappling with it. the advice changing, but they advice was changing, but they didn't us the truth on didn't tell us the truth on that, di
i thought it was awful the way that it he didn't bother really holding whitty and vallance's feet tos it were because as they both said things that were reasonably sensible and then changed their minds and they went along with the consensus that came down from sage, which was then guided by modelling from tom ferguson and his colleagues. and what came down was only ever the worst case scenario for them to have a fear factor on. so all rational . fear factor on. so all rational. he went out the...
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former chief scientific adviser patrick vallance, chief medical officer chris whitty and his deputy jonathanld the inquiry that we ought to have locked down earlier than we did in march 2020 and these claims were not properly scrutinised. as know from scrutinised. as we know from today's testimony, as well as other claims in the past that bofis other claims in the past that boris at heart a lockdown other claims in the past that boris andt heart a lockdown other claims in the past that boris and those: a lockdown other claims in the past that boris and those instincts»wn other claims in the past that boris and those instincts were sceptic and those instincts were vindicated when he resisted the omicron lockdown . and they have omicron lockdown. and they have been vindicated by the swedish data. so where will it go from here? well, i'm joined by the journalist and broadcaster matthew stadlen. matthew thank you coming in. it does seem you for coming in. it does seem as if the inquiry just wants to look at whether we should have locked down sooner and harder rather looking at whether rather than
former chief scientific adviser patrick vallance, chief medical officer chris whitty and his deputy jonathanld the inquiry that we ought to have locked down earlier than we did in march 2020 and these claims were not properly scrutinised. as know from scrutinised. as we know from today's testimony, as well as other claims in the past that bofis other claims in the past that boris at heart a lockdown other claims in the past that boris andt heart a lockdown other claims in the past that boris...
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vallance is pandemic diary to be kept a secret? thank god for that, sir. obviously some people will want it all out there. as far as i'm concerned, that be bedtime that will just be bedtime reading. to reading. let's move on to the guardian because they've been going landmark cop 28 deal agreed transition away from agreed to transition away from fossil fuels. very similar page front the independent front page to the independent shock universities face fines under new free speech guidelines as well . let's go to the times as well. let's go to the times now . interesting picture story now. interesting picture story on the front of the times. the hollywood star sienna miller has posed for vogue and spoken about the pressures of pregnancy . see, the pressures of pregnancy. see, and if you are listening on radio, then she's visibly pregnant on the front of the times. so there we go. facebook is now a dangerous to children. parents told crime chief raises alarm over encrypted messages. there we go . we'll go to the there we go. we'll go to the metro. has lineker
vallance is pandemic diary to be kept a secret? thank god for that, sir. obviously some people will want it all out there. as far as i'm concerned, that be bedtime that will just be bedtime reading. to reading. let's move on to the guardian because they've been going landmark cop 28 deal agreed transition away from agreed to transition away from fossil fuels. very similar page front the independent front page to the independent shock universities face fines under new free speech guidelines as...