it's great thave a grea new fresh face in the men's game. charlie: we conclude thi ening with theabulous julite binoche in new york appearin in "dance" a film retrosctive and has a new film all "paris." what are youcared to do? >> sll scared of loving. >>harlie: are you really beuse you've been hurt? how do you know that? i mean, u've got tbe hurt. think in the hiliation. >> charlie: nothing ventured, nothing gained >> there's a humility and a feels a little contradictory but the humiliation allows you to have the simplest that requires the sort of a loving state. which not about yoself but about something else. >> charl: a follo up economics and afghanistannd juan martin del potr and juliette binoche. captioning snsored by ro communications omk city, this is chlie rose. >> charlie: we beginwith the follow-up to t this financial chris because the the presidens apprance and ben bernankeave his appraisal since the economic cris and spiking in washington at t brookings institution h said the government stopped the free fall and strengthened key

and we had one of t caegie liaries, those grea old institutions. and i went there d i was able to get books and i was able to get records. you could take all old 78 records. that's how i listened to my first operas afteristening to the saturday afternoon opera on... of the met. so, yeah, the library was t... secondnly to my school, which wa also wderf. i had dominican nuns who encouraged me in every possibly way and said "you should b a writer." even at a very early age. so i saluted and said "okay." >> rose: so if i was writing about you, sort a paragraph, that would be the beginning... obituary, let's say. i would say garry wills,rite. >> teacher. >> rose: teacher. catholic. >> definitely. >> rose: what else? >> css ct. ros css cyst. meaning that you drew strength and principles from... >> i studied ancient greek an latin and taught it and think that that had a lot to do with my tastes, my sense of rm and straint. >> ros eveto theoint of recommending that it's a great idea to learn greek as a second language. >> oh, absutel sure. it'she gates int

i went on the set because the grea ballerina from balanine had been askedo be an actress in thefilm. woody had asked r so i went alonto take pictures. >> rosidsa, i said, your great friend martin scorse and his daughter. >> y. we, and, you know what c we say? i mean, one of the most interesting men i know. >> ros why is that? because he's so passionate abo film? >>teess. ssionate,es.io rose: 's almost le an encyclopedia of film. >> he knows everything. >> rose: and loves communicating it. >> yesbut in away thate's enchanng. always funny, aays... everythi reminds him of a scenin a film, you me? of a moment with someone extraordinary. he's just extremely funny and eccentric. >> rose: the nextis hen mirren >> aga, i asked helen mirren. it was quite actualy.... rose: take off your clothes >> exactly. >>ose: and she saidwhatever u say." >> that's what she said. >> rose: why did you want t do that? >>ecause that's what i wa to do. i want everyone to be.... >> rose: you want to strip them down? >> yes, i try with eryone. >>ose: here is julie christie. there waa great story behind this. she

before wcontinue this ening with my inrview several wee ago wi jimmie johnson, the grea nascar cmpion, welook ahead to tomorrow nit, my guest wille the prime minister of turkey. we'll talk about the role of turkey ithe world today. jimmie johnson is he. he made nascar history at homestead miamispeedway. he won a record-breaking fouh consecutive sprint cup chpionship series. right behindim were two familiar faces, mark rtin and jeff gordon. all threecompete under the guance of hick hendrickho s steadily assembled a naar dynay. to commemorateohnson's victory, the empe state building was lit in be, white, an yellow light to refct his team's colors. m pleased to have jimmy johnson ba at this table. welcome to you. >> thank you, greato be here. >>ose: great to e you and congratutions. >> awesomeear for us, cose. life is good. >> rose: was it harder thi year than norl or does it g easer. >> i d't want to say it was easier because it wasn't. th competition and whawe have to do week in and week out is so difficult and thatart is more difficult th years past. but the fact that we've bn there b

i'm sure.... >> rose: the goodld days might not have been grea exactly. but i doave a...here's a fondness in sry telli for that kind of... it's easier to placthings in the past. >> rose: there's a storyhat yo actually go up one night and decided that the philadphia story had some application to this. and that th would be the sort of connectiveissue for the story you wanted to tell so you hit the typewriter or y hit the computernd 41 pages later you had a new ript. >>ou know whatt was was first of a i think evy romant comedy basally you start with "the philadelphia story." t what y learned was the were some trks to it. you had to be very careful with the johnharacter, the other guy. you can't make him just the guy that gets pien his face. >> rose: ts is mr. perfect who turns out to have a flaw. >> but you can't make those flaws lethal. you have to ma him a go tch. there has be a good combination for everyby. and ifhe ended up with him, that'd be okay. up? ishat primaly casting or script? both. you can't cast...you can't act likability and john has.... rose: you can't act l

getting th to talk is the grea advancement w need now.hey're not talkin to each other. >> that's right. >> rose: so theirst step is to get them to talk. >> well, basically what we have suggested to the israelis is a series of steps and actns that they could take thatwould encourage president abbas to entethe discussions. >> rose: why can't you telle wh they are. that's my question reall >> because i want them-to-discuss itith them before idiscuss it with yo rose: fair enough. but just seems ke this can't be grea secret, can they? or not? >> there are no magic bullets here,harlie. if you asked a hundred experts on the middle eastwhat are the steps at might be taken... >>ose: they would all ree on mo... >> they won' agree,ow you'll have different opinion bus they'll all cover the same ground. they have to do with whats occurring on the west bank, dealing wit chepoints, movement of... >> rose: and that's getting better becau of prime minist fayyad, the palestinians? >> it's a very impreive leader. >> ros the more heoes bottom-up uff, the mor

when i'm there, man, have a grea.. time bu it's the gamut emotions but it's my life. i love it so much. >> rose:ou are oiously aware of all t praise thas hepd on you andhey still say things like "underrated" which suggests that this gus better tha he's even tald about. that people n't get how good you are. hodo you compute allhat? >> that's the grtest compliment, man. u know, there'.. andhis knew chih is choc full ofthis kind of stuff because as an tist youant to be kind of invisible. u don't want tobe... this is the kind of art that i admire, u know? there's a ser densene to the actors that i enjoy watchg, like dal that has. you're not watchg him and seeing him almt move like a skiehitting all the gates and trying to ma theudience feel this way a that way. it just feels like you're a f on the wal. >> rose: you don't see the acting, you see the charter. >> what's sct is done is so beautiful, youon't see the direction. it's i so simple. and maggie's the same way. you don't feel that she's just acti, she's just there. an

he stole a base stole it when he need it, threw grea ran grt, hit well, hit homers. and was exciting. >> charlie: ell me how sad you are, what damage s been done by all the dclosures to the gameou love. >> oh gosh i think when iirst heard about steroids, chare, i remember not first but maybe after a year oro and i saw a wreckage tumbling, i went six all time home runs to 13th in 140 years i was 6th when i und up playing my career wa over. and in t next 140 eks, i was 13th. and i was talking to many so guys playing golf in vegas and almost got tears in my eyes. i had hold them back because i love the gam so muchnd admired the path that players like bob and aaron and mays and clementy and root, ted williams. the numbs that they pu up were goals that i hope to become a part of. i hope to get approval fromthe greats of the past that, you know, reggie's a great player. reggie's a good player. and if you got that approval, then it reallyeant something because th game of baseball was, has bn bui on, yo know, are our icons and our idols of american history and our great spor

this is the case of his predecessors clinn and bush who both reived me in washgton with grea honor which belonged to the patriarch at to this very ancient religious instition ofurs and not sply to my person. andven president cnton paid anfficial visit to the ecumenical patriarchat to istanbul as sitting predent. this was unue in recent history. >> rose: and suppose the president said to your holiness "what can i do for you? and what can i door your church?" what would y y? >> i would answer him in more genel terms saying that he as the lear of thi great coury which influens so many thing around the globe has to create this full respt of human right among them religious freed and respect of e rights of norities everywhere because this wl be a real contribution to the establishment of a permanent peace and to oiding conflicts becaus of iustices he h the responsibilitand the possibilityo so much to this directio. and of course in this context, in this framerk ty are first the problems of o church and our minority in turkey a included. >> rose: you' like him tout that on the turkish agenda n

. >> the feeling was there was great and extreme bi again the regious admintration and th created grea concerns among the muslims, particularly the leaders o muslim countries. t with the obamapeech it became clearthat he's not, that america is not against this. if you complain ofhe intervtions of the forces in iran, i would say to you, don interfere with the hom affrs of other arab countes. like lebanon, like hamas and others. nce you complainof this external or foign interfence, so don't do it wi other countries. we are very keen. there should sbility and no stability unless weave the -- and with asst also. meeting with theuthority, with e israeli government. >> charlie: the president o egt hosni mubarak and all about the mdle east coming up. captioning sponsor by rose comnications >> charlie: ware in cairo, ingypt for a conversation with the president of ept, hosni mubarak. is my ninth interview with him. he is on the eve of a visit to washington to et with president obama and vice president biden to talk abo the middle east and other issues. it is his first tri to washinon since 200

>> iould answer to him in more general tms saying that h as the leader of this grea country which influences so my things around the globe has to create this full respectof han right amg themeligious freedomnd respect of the rights of minorities everywhere because this will be a rl contribution to the eablishment of a permanent peace and to avoiding conflicts because of injustices he has the responsibility and the posbility to do so ch to this direction. and course in this context, in this framework they are first the problems our church a our minori in turkey are included. >> rose: you'd like him to put that on the turkish agenda next time he tas to the prime minister. >> our prime minister is coming very soon to washgton. in november. >> rose: and human rights is an inrnational... is alobal value. >> and if the united stes of erica pays great atttion to this iss of human rights. >> ros tell me000 you see a anging sense of america an at the worldxpects from america? >> we appreciate the general speaking of opensss all courageousinitiatives taken by political leaders and the leader of the un

clearly the promise is that to rate countries, two large countries with two huge tconomies -- two grea countries, two large countries with two huge economies, khalili and opportunity to exercise power, whether in terms of economic relationships, whether it is about political hotspots like syria or iran, is that growing at all? this opportunity for china and the u.s. and europe and russia to work together on solving aree big problems that installable ball must there's more participation in a solution? unless there'sle more participation in a solution? >> there are so many global challenges. some are traditional, some are not so traditional. we also have a lot of hotspot issues. all of these things. thes quite obvious that permanent members of the united nations security council and on what have to work together. we have to make a joint effort in responding to these problem's. problem's -- what great powers have sometimes is misunderstanding each other. is that a race? >> -- is that a risk? >> there is always such a risk. what the advancement of technology and the media, we have a better

. >> he's not a grea great reader. larry rea more and they both mir admire steve jobs. they admires his passion and simplifies everying and the elant design of apple and the google search, the sime search box, no adsllowed to clutter the pa you see thenfluence of steve jobs. >> charlie: en people compare sergei andlarry and steve js what do they say. >>ne thing that al gore says as on the board with steve jobs ansaid tir brillia guys the differce between the google guys and sve jobs is steve had a great setback inis life and when he lost control of ple in '97 dfrom that or earlier than that a that experiencef loss the pch i the no gave him an expience and a senseofumility and it prepared him better for the bales ahead and larry and sergei at 35 years old havnot experiendailure and that's a worry they lack the experience. they'rerilliant engineersand are very good at what they do but ey haven't experienced failure and they're not very initive, or as sergeisaid to me, we lack a searchemotional intelligence to understa one of t reasons they're behind the ballith the govern

it's a grea story a he's the mirs fern-- our correspondent drive buffy was the second-- to me jim kung. my favorite criticism was the state department saying they should have taken the food and given it to the poor people. and you're like, "the state department who had dinner with hitler, idimine-- i would like ton w many times they have refused the food. i would argue zero. they were being attacked and i understand that but to say about us. by the way, you can't get it to the people quay. but for us to be mentioned by the state department -- >> how close did you come to getting an interview with him. >> we have the interview. >> rose: you have it. >> i just finished it today and i'd lov for you to come see it. we're going to do a half an hour on hbo. they add more material. we're going to release a longer version -- >> i knew dennis talked with him and sat with him and all that and had whatever kind of relationship but i didn't realize you had an interview of some substance. >> we talked to him and there are a bunch of people who talked to him. one of the things thaft very interesting

. >> he's not a grea great reader. larry reads more and they both admir admire steve jobs. they admire is his passion and simplifies everything and the elegant design of apple and the google search, the simple search box, no ads allowed to clutter the page you see the influence of steve jobs. >> charlie: when people compare sergei and larry and steve jobs what do they say. >> one thing that al gore says as on the board with steve jobs and said their brilliant guys the difference between the google guys and steve jobs is steve had a great setback in his life and when he lost control of apple in '97 and from that or earlier than that and that experience of loss, the punch in the nose gave him an experience and a sense of humility and it prepared him better for the battles ahead and larry and sergei at 35 years old have not experienced failure and that's a worry they lack the experience. they're brilliant engineers and are very good at what they do but they haven't experienced failure and they're not very intuitive, or as sergei said to me, we lack a search emotional intellige

. >> yes a grea g, wonderful bridgelayer. >> charlie: i want to te this moment to sumup your o writing. you mentioned creatio aery goodlace to sta. wh are those youre mo, i wa to say pud but both looking at, admirin-- >> you're write certain books for the pple. you know they don' know anythi. you dot know what you tnk ey ought to know. the schools w't teach it. why do you think bothe tellin this story of lifof the united states. charlie: washington.c. would one of those books? >> yes. creation. creation was the fif century of what came along and there was no lor at work at that time. >> charlie: you have not changed since e first da i met you. noone. >> no, i hadmy incisors taken out. younow. >> chaie: they didn't take out yo spiri no, i gum it i don't bit it anymore. [laughing] >> charlie: oh that candor either. so gore vidalreat writer. i'm not figing you. [lauing] >> charlie: ll, mment on that. we lookt gore vidal lerary cari and say wha >> one othe few people who took the united stateserious as subject. i didn'tpendmy time writing about how i tried to get tene that smer at an arbor

but hospital grea how many greae there. >> i think the other piece of it is right brain left brain. >> rose: really. how does that work with you. >> to be able to have a lot of ideas and then to be able to sit back and go that one that one not those two. and i think a lot of people don't have both sides. you run into them all the time and they run into any creative business. you have certain pea that are -- certain people that are very imaginity anmajorrive and theyie that don't come up with good ideas. i have both. >> rose: what have you failed at. >> what have i failed at? i don't think about failing really. i don't look back a lot, i just kind of keep charging forward. i'm sort of the anti-congress. like with this documentary film we're just doing it. i hope it's going to be terrific. i think it will be. i think it's going to be very emotional. i don't think it's going to work. i think, i have confidence i can put together a documentary story. >> rose: it looks like you're a good storyteller there in that part. >> yes. i think it's going to be a good film. >> rose: you love golf. >

to make a movie and watching him worknd watching him work with actors than the movie didn't turn o grea the character didn't tur out great than probably any other movie where the charact turns outetter and my performance turned out bette or the performae turned outbetter. i think every filmou walk away with diffent -- >> crlie: do you knowwhen you walk away though it's not going to work? >> sometimes, yeah. yeah. i can usually tell if there's going to beroblems and i'v alwa been surprised the other way around. >> charlie: the editing room it turned t to beokay. >> i've been surprised and this is are great editors -- an amazing editor walked i >> charlie: can i talk about xico for a bit. >> sure, go ahead. >> charlie: others worry about laessness and n-state actors. >> i think mexico is going one of toughest peri of ourecent history. when there'soney from dgs it very difficult for atate to surve. the ug lords to corpt the syem is hu. this is -- i'm goingo pay, yore the police chief, i'm going pay you $400 a month,you do not accept next tim it's your kid' head in a shoe box. >> charlie: s

they are grea word smis. >> charlie: they brought languageo newspapers. >>therwise you're going to run out of methods deribing how a ball gets fr there to there until you start elaborang and making it more ieresting. >> chaie: what's interesting is peopllike to think there's a different of sensibility in britton an the united stas. on the other hand, thing that have begunn one country have gone to the other and vice versa. >> yes, the office here i a great ca in support. >> charlie: before that it was arie bunker and red fox and all those showscame out of british comedy. >> yes. there might be a case tt the ass is always greener and ericans say to me the british comedy's much mo sophticated. i come hehinking well actually the bestmerican comedy, like seield and daily show is a sign of intligence. there mabe something in the fact in britt a bit more defat setting is cynicism. there was abritish politician who was saying why can't we portray british liticians more like the west wing and less like in the thickf it because in e west wing -- >> charlie: they a

. >> they're grea theyre good loong and intelligent. >> charlie: they speak well. >> they're loyal. whereas if we try to do that in a british drama, it would b ughter. it would blaughable. >> chaie: so unless you make fun of your politicians it has no remarkility. >> it'just not believle. i think the audience wouldn take it seriously. >> charlie: so is there less of a respectfor politics. >> y, yes i think so. and ilso wonder whether it's a fact that in the u.s. theole, theffice has a charma of its in. the office of presidents the fice of the head of state wheras our head of state is the ... >> charlie: the queen. >> the littlold lady in the palace. whoever at downing street doesn't have hat charisma bestowed on tm. they haveo earn it. >> charlie: tre's also this. part of what you'vdone in your career i to give people a sen ofeeing something they haven't seen you're seeing sort of t abridged. u're see pple behind the scenes. you are piercing e curtain. >> yes. i mean that is the the trick we're trying to pl, it's shor in a very documentary way and jued and so . but i load itith auth

know, i think, because he is surrounded by a t of special women, a i think he has always been such a greaicat a lot of te to observe a -- and i think women can be very fascinatin and i mean, i think he really, ally knows . >> charl: why do you think that is, pedro? i don't know. as she said i was surrounded by womewhen i was a child. i wa dedicated b men. in that moment, mother take us everywre. so for me it was like was stidious to loo at my mher with the neighbo talking -- becaushey never think that there is a child four years old listening,nd i was listening, and takg notes of everything that i heard. >> charlie:amazing. you're in e salon watching -- >> absolutely. ye. >> charlie: yore with other won taking notes. >> yeah, it's true, it true i thout about th when you we tellingly that. -- when you were lling that women e not so difficult to understand but it' also very fficult to understand men -- human beings are very difficult to uerstand. >> crlie: that's true, that' true. but notespecially wen-- >> charlie: men or men more difficult to understd? >> equally. >> charlie: ye, tually,

itas such a grea example of obfuscatoin. basically edit card losses. he said some of what we're seeing in early stage delinquency probay has a seasonal component. there are two modifiers right there, were cauously optimistic that the tres, if sustained, could eventlly staini losses. >> charlie: fiv modifiers >>boutive orix. this is the ray of hope. that's the stement. >> charl: so is golan just simp doing everying right and doing everything better than everody else and folled byj.p. morgan or as well as j.p. morg. >> well keye off what floyd was saying, they wereble to extract themselve in the sub-prime marketarlier than e rest of their miors and ey don't have a consumer lending business they're not a exposed to the nsumer. so they can help companies write their de, charge nice big fees on that because there not much compition and make a lot of mone i thinkhe threat for golan going forward remeer they brought their levera down. if you recall the whole system was ilt on the high amount of leverage. goldmacut items leverage i out half. in the ality for c

after i he been working in hollywood for over 15 years,t really had made me learn a lot from so many grea people, you know. i have learned so ch from the technology, the working system. d i thought it's about time ing what i have learned from hollywood intoa. >> rose: what is the status of t chinese fm cinema? >> the prison -- it is business is growing now, and growing fast going back to e theat, they le to watch all kind of movies. and they keep building t theatres. they also have the largest soundstage i. they have all kinds, more modern fility and all the good equipment. so they all --. >> rose: how did y do decide when was the right time to go back >> i met me of the ung ople froma th all have a great passion about movies. they allager to lea. they all want to lear how make a hollywood te big budget movies. they all want to arn a new experience. that is one of thebiggest reasons i wanted to go back to mak that movie. >> rose: to benvolved with all e young, enthusiastic people. >> yeah, yeah, theilm ople. >> ros this is the biggest gros film in china cinema history >>es. have made a re

certainly heas great lover of classical literature, of contemporary poetry, was a grea inuence on him. he was well read andidely re. >> charlie: it is ao said that he a chronicle of the grotesque. >> that is ofourse the problem that he is constantly rubbing our face in our own mess, the ss that men and women can do to one anoer. and constant reminding us o our bestiaty. he would saythat we're just neat. he said that his subject w history europe in hiswn time and this could be theassacre, the testy mission, the bodily injuries that he shows us that's history of eupe. >> chaie: that he expeenced. >> yes. he, too, suffered, absolely. >> charlie: it is said th he goeall the way back tois father beating him and hiring -- >> not clear whetheris father beat him or -- charlie: he had the groomsma-- >> carrying to bacon. >> right. those were hisfirst innse experiences, right, ing whipped. weo know that he had a few abusive relatiohips in his life. he cald the love of his life beat himnd harm to him. that he found it thrling that'shat, when he sessionhe nts to show the thrill of lifethe exciten

it's not bn put to that test and think there's saying bit, one of the grea sagesof jewish history, if t now when. so i sa echoing hi if not now when are u gng to apply those cryptic sanctions. the time to do that is now. i asked the palestinians a very simp question. suppose we solve these problems, borders,erritories. will you then every o of them, i want to know a simple question, will y recognize the state of israel, jews have been divided when they conducted a war against us for 50 years. will you recognize the state of israel as the nion ste of the jewish people. you ask me and my people to recognizethe palestinian ste the palestinian state of the people, would yo recognize israel as the nation state of the jewishpeople and theanswer ough to be very sile. s. >> charlie: the prime minister of israelor the hour, next captioning sponsored by rose communicaons from our sdios in new york citythis is charlie rose. >> charlie: we begin th evening with therime minister ofsrael, benjamin netanyahu, he is in new york attendg the united nations general aembly eting. i spoke toim yesterday a

just at home being a m and then for six months or however many months i go to work but i've got a grea man who lps me and supports me and the children are part of my work. >> re: are your ambitions changing at small >> my ambition has always been to be of use and to feel like i'm doing rit things with my life. i don't want to be more success i don't wantore money. i want my kids to be healthy and i have great family and i want them to be great people. that's my ambition. and along the way if i can be a part of things in life that i think are important and subject matters i think are important or even be a part sometimes of the solution for these big issues that concern me than that's wonderful and that makes me feel of value. bufirst i want to make sure i've got... i'm raising children right. >> rose: do you think that this is the first step in becoming what everybody calls a filmmaker that you will find something in this process that you want to be able to-- as the aforementioned clint eastwood is and sevel other people-- have been uniquely able to master this in a way that they can t

it's a grea value this quiet personality victory not splashed across the headlines and not necessarily result in trophies and that began at the end of the day we all hope that's what we are doing, we all hope that what we are doing would be of some value that would mean something. and i think that is this character's quest. >> yes. >> charlie: that was you, was it not. >> thanks for picking this up. >> that is, for me it was one of the many and major themes of the film is value and how we value each other and value ourselves. based on what is the success and what is a failure. these baseball players that we're not getting an opportunity i'm sure we'reefined as failures. m sure they felt that to som degree. someone comes along and says no you have value. can use you and use you this way. >> charlie: we need you. >> we need you and it's going to work. and suddenly these guys see themselves differently. in billy bean's situation, here's a kid come out of high school. he's told he's the nt coming anit doesn't pan out. now he's dubbed a wash-out. he does something kind of incredible. he qui

and this is a grea time to be a curio person. you know,o online, get d.v.d. coses. i mean, i envy my kids grong upight now. when my son asks a queion, sometimei don't know the answer. and we're over ther at the computer watchinthe video of okay.... rose: so how do you go about answering thquestion on th computer. your son asks you a question, dad.... what's the biggest nuclear bom well, we go a watch the video of the russian czar bomb blowi up. what's an oil refinery doin so you watch, you explain a little b about the chemiry. it comes to lif and so... and then, you know, if he gets an answer, that ybe means he's moreilling to ask the question the next time. i think a lotof people think there isn't gointo be an answer and they let their curiosity run down. d i... with parents, with good teachers, i never got the sense that, hey, i'll get the answer somehow. >> rose: i wantoth of you to reflect where weare today. none of us have seen an economi crisis sincehe great depression, d you weren't old enough at the time ofhe great deprsion to experience it. >> i was five or

shakespeare's grea rival wrote of him "he was not of an age but all time." lawrence olivier once called him "the nearest thing in incarnation to the eye of god." he was born in 1564 in the small provincial english town of stratford upon avon. he moved to london in the late 15s and in a remarkably short period of time became perhaps the greate play write of all time. the names speak for themselves. "hamlet," ""king lear" othello, macbeth, romeo and juliet. these plays have been passed down through generations, they dazzle us with an appeal that transcends time and culture. tonight in our first episode of the charlie rose shakespeare series we start with conversations on the greatness and the anything ma. we'll talk to oskar eustis, a director of the new york public theater. barbara gaines, director of the the chicago shakespeare theater. we'll also hear from some other shakespeare devoe taes from previous appearances on our program. they include shakespeare scholar steven greenblatt and harold bloom, also the director of the royal shakespeare coany, michael b

big leaders, even leaders in cultural field, they compete with the dead because look, katherine the grea they did something incredible, they built cities called florence or someone built venice, someone else built st. petersburg. these are incredible cultural monuments. >> rose: has there been an evolution in your appreciation of what you appreciation and how you see music? >> you get wiser and you get stronger but then conductors who are, say, eight years old in america you have somebody conducting when he was nine years old and so physically they will not get stronger but is spirit was working. thepower was in the eyes. i saw conductors that we not very young. it was eight years old when he composed first of, but if the youthfulness of this opera subpoena a tremendous energy from the vy start you will never believe he's 80 years old. becae the spirit gets more a more powerful so your intellect gets richer and richer especially if you tra yourself practice. rose: so you're becoming what? >> i became tay may someone who wants to reach quite far working with young people. i know that if y

>>ose: it's grea to see y d meet you. >> thank you for havg me. >> rose: thank you f joining us.ee u next time. captioning sponsed by rose cmunications captioned by media access group at bh access.wgborg