where are those guns coming from. where are these guns coming from. if the numbers are becoming so high, we are quadrupling. we better find out where they are coming from. the gun buy back is good because it cuts down to domestic violence. you can no longer sell the gun. people are selling us guns they can't sell otherwise. i am not saying it's a bad program. we would like to have more gun buy backs. it always comes back to capabilities and your help to get to the community and tell people. if you see a gun. call us. we will make a report. we just took an ak 47. we bought that gun and nothing happened. i would rather do that. it's not the absolute program. the other thing i wanted to stress. the call in. we have identified 44 who are at risk. they are either victims or suspects. 9 out of those first are shot are killed. with the target with the call in is working. we are doing bed checks. we go out with these probation officers. i know where he is. we bring him home and do that 3 or 4 times. i just think that gun violence is really up and we have to g

with stolen guns. i appreciate these findings. you do not want to get a phone call that says your son has been killed. he was not playing with a gun, he was visiting the home of someone else and he has been killed. thank you. supervisor mirkarimi: thank you for sharing that very powerful and tragic story. thank you for everything that you are doing to really help stem the tide. thank you. next speaker please. >> good morning, supervisors of public safety. is there any member of the public that would like to comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. >think it over, think it over because i want it safe in the city today and police take away all the hate. come on, public safety committee, come see about that supervisor mirkarimi: thank you. any other public comment? this is the time to time in. seeing none, public comment is closed. -- chine in. colleagues, madam city attorney, if there is anything that you would like to add? >> nothing more from the other than, as a citizen of san francisco, apprec

>> sir, we did not let guns walk. your entitled to your opinion, not to your facts. >> what you have here is a colossal failure in leadership from within atf, the united states attorney's office and doj. >> this is one of the most shameful moments in our government's history. >> this is one of the saddest days. >> this is the moe, curly and larry show. and we are looking for larry. >> we will not rest until every person responsible for all of this, no matter where they are, are brought to justice. >> sean: welcome to this special edition of hannity. tonight we investigate operation fast and furious. the controversial program initiated by the justice department's bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. it grew out of the border initiative call project gun runner. when the program began under the bush administration in 2006, the purpose was to reduce firearms and explosives related to violent crime associated with mexican criminal organizations operating in the u.s. and mexico by preventing these organizations if unlaw

since then, gun advocates have been challenging local gun laws across the nation, including san francisco, which is why i teamed up with the city attorney's office so we can fortify our defense of reasonable gun safety laws. this ordinance is needed to clarify the board of supervisors on going intend to reflect updated research to ensure existing gun laws in the police code are for look -- are fully enforceable. there is ample evidence these laws are needed now more than ever and they will save countless lives every year. in addition to several shootings in august, a man was shot a forty-niners game we heard about when the police chief was on which made national news about insufficient staffing at a tailgate party that erupted. in july, at least eight innocent bystanders were hit by stray bullets, two of them were children, one was in my district, which are is absolutely livid about and visited in san francisco general hospital. fortunately, she survived. a north beach woman was hit by a bullet that passed through her body. it fortunately did not cause life-threatening injuries, but the p

my son was not playing with a gun. he was just visiting the home of a gun owner. you can look at my son's death from four points of view. let me first explain what happened. without telling my son, this boy decided he was going to get the gun that his father kept loaded and unlocked in his bedroom for protection. the boy got the gun, took out the ammunition clip, he put in an empty one, and took a back upstairs, pulled the trigger of the gun -- of course, a horrible mistake on his part --. of course, the gun was the only product in that home is exempt from consumer product regulation. there was still a blip in the chamber of the gun and the boy did not know that. you can look at what happened from four different points of view. i will be brief. this father had been convinced that the way to protect his family was to keep his gun loaded and unlocked, because he felt he needed it to be instantly available. second, from the point of view from the gun industry. hunting is in decline, the sale of shotguns and rifles have been in decline for decades. the gun industry ha

with all the talk about diplomacy and humanity the power of the gun still remains the primary means of solving international conflicts to discuss the current state of arms trade and arms trafficking then our joined by the former u.n. expert on those issues brian johnson thomas thank you very much sir for being with us today let's start with libya am in the beginning of the uprising of the revolution whatever you call it there were concerns that those weapons may fall into the hands of terrorists has already happened in your view well of course it has because it's easier for guns through leaving arsenal once you get them back it's about to have recalled the most of the guns that were looted albania in the nine hundred ninety just still missing i'm a turnip occasionally in the hands of criminals as much as in the hands of terrorists. start off by being illegally made and legally sold but at some point the guns they're called to for use and to be diverted in the case of libya the concerns as you have it's a lot of the rebels were until fairly recently also we go there is being in league w

her viewpoints on use with guns and whether the gun buy backs will work. do you have friends, thank you for bringing that up. >> i know people with guns. i wouldn't. i don't want to get involved with that. i just leave them alone with their guns. i don't get involved >> i say that to say, the idea if someone is carrying a gun, we might consider them dangerous. if they got that one, they can get another one. >> we have to consider, this is going to be a long process. this is not a one stop drop, if am i rackateering. i am going to take a couple of guns i don't use and use others. the major thing we have to look at is prevention. we have so many different levels of things we have to use. we can't just say, okay. drop your gun off, you're cool. that's not a shot at the program. we need that problem. but we need these other programs and dealing with the parents and families. we just first grader at cleveland. i worked at cleveland. he probably found the gun. stuffed it in his back and went to school. >> nobody knew >> all my friend that is have guns. it's beca

different communities will have different needs with respect to the guns and gun violence. different crime problems in different communities, different law strategies employed. the use of firearms for sport are hunting might be different between communities. so it is important to enable communities to enact local ordinances that are responsive. i commend the city of sanfrancisco for adopting these ordnances, and work as well. at the same time, local government can show leadership in sacramento. we have seen a trickle up affect where local ordinances -- jurors diction will adopt ordnances and are later adopted by the state legislature. in summary, i find these ordinances important and entirely consistent with the second amendment right that the supreme court recognized. thank you for your time. supervisor mirkarimi:

with respect to gun locks, which -- when a gun is not kept safe and locked, such as the incident of the 8-year-old who found a gun and shot himself, what then do we do with the parents or guardians where the gun was made available or not kept safe? i never hear that side of the story too much about either arrest or prosecution. >> from my experience over these years in law enforcement and dealing with the shootings and the response of the state -- of the safe storage laws in california, which has been on the books for almost 15 years -- if -- there is a variance in punishment, and it is all to the discretion

the only way you could have a society with a gun is. if you have as if it's vigils with respect to the rule of law so therefore we have to have trust you know police forces there's never enough policeman to control a population by force so we have to be policed by consent. countries which policed by consent generally speaking have less gun crime come for us which are about which policed but it's also true that where you have a hard regime the same thing happens but you tend to find the majority of gun crimes half of not because. people who want to hold an illegal weapon but because they don't have any trust in someone else looking after them they don't trust the police to the power to them and that's where the problem starts so and that's the libyan transitional national council can very quickly establish a trusted. impartial independent police force in there because main cities particularly there will be a temptation on people to keep going. splitter and defense from the marines is a temptation to use a gun for something which you shou

going to take the guns away but then when he doesn't touch anyone's guns it's all a conspiracy it's all part of civil war and you're a sinister plan you know for some people the president simply can't do anything right it doesn't matter what his palsied actually are they're just they're just wrong and scary and that's it so if it is baseless attack on obama's record on guns are going to write full time award to the n r a's here. all right time for happy hour and joining me tonight archie producer jenny churchill and alex sites all the assistant editor for think progress and dot org it's an editor is that a new you got a new title alan is i don't know saying it of course i know it is will explain to us what an assistant editor means. number two in command there really i'm grabbing ok it's a no no we broke the news here on the election for you but. ok let's take a look at this everybody was going crazy over this soundbite of this rogue trader that appeared on the b.b.c. and i'll explain the story afterwards but they went crazy over what he had to say. i don't buy this rescue plan b. b

the uprising that turned the arab world into an ever turbulent place have also placed thousands of guns into the hands of civilians and his new leaders struggle to restore security and safety in their countries concern grows at the circulation of weapons could pose further threat to the population he spoke to a former u.n. expert on how the challenging task of disarming civilians could work out. with all the talk about diplomacy and humanity the power of the gun still remains the primary means of solving international conflicts to disguise the current state of arms trade and arms trafficking and now i'm joined by the former u.n. expert on those issues brian johnson thomas thank you very much sir for being with us today let's start with libya in the beginning of the uprising and the revolution whatever you call it there were concerns that there is this may fall into the hands of terrorists has already happened in your view when of course it has because it's easier for guns to leave an arsenal and to get them back it's about to have recalled the most of the guns that were looted albania i

of the gun say they have at home that would allow them to take the gun home without having to have those requirements of a lock on site at the delivery time. one of the easiest access to a firearm in the home through a safe is through an electronic keypad lock for a firearm safe, which is a small safe that allows a person to keep a firearm in the safe, relatively accessible with a digital combination only known to persons who are the owner or someone else who is allowed to know the combination for that safe. there are saves which are relatively accessible to the person who knows the combination but keeps other people who are unaware of the operations or loaded capabilities of the gun away from a firearm. in addressing the hollow point issue, hollow point ammunition, over the last 41 years in law enforcement, i have been involved in numerous armed confrontations, shootings,

know where those guns were. now, the information from yet another letter, this written to a gun shop owner is informing the gun shop the atf is going to send in an agent to buy four pistols for official duties. we now know these too were purchased as part of fast and furious. not only were they tracking the guns purchased legally, they were also buying guns with taxpayer dollars and allowing those to go across the border as well. >> so again, clarify why the atf would purchase these weapons? >> the operation makes no sense. according to every law enforcement authority i have talked with, and that includes many atf agents themselves, you don't ever let a gun walk, as they say in this business, especially without any way to know where it is going. so what's the real purpose? the lack of sense, the apparent cover-up has opened the door for these conspiracy theorists. they believe this was part of a convoluted plan for the obama administration and the attorney general to actually increase the level of violence on th

they concocked a scheme to stay away from the gun issue, lull gun owners to sleep and play us for fools in 2012. >> jon: barack obama will court his liberal base by running on change, get elected, fail to deliver the change with a congress from his same party, thus alienating that base in an attempt to win over the people that hate him no matter what, ensuring his victory in 2012, where he is & a congress from the opposing party can finally take away all your guns. ( laughter ) it's just so crazy, it's ( bleep ) crazy. ( applause ) we'll be right back. ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: my guest tonight, legendary performer. he's won 15 grammys. his new album is called "diddid youets 2." please welcome to the program, tony bennett ( cheers and applause ) ♪ ♪. >> thank you. wow. >> jon: look at you! look at you! you look great. thanks for coming to see us. >> oh, i love it. thank you. >> jon: this-- this "did youets two" i just want to say right here, "tony bennett: did youets two," the number one album in the country, am i correct? >> yes. >> jon: number one album ( cheers and applause ) i

hears from a former un expert of how serious the flow of guns is and what is being done about it. with all the talk about diplomacy and humanity big power it will be gone still remains the primary means of solving international conflicts just cause the current state of arms trade and arms trafficking now joined by the former u.n. expert on those issues brian johnson thomas thank you very much sir for being with us today let's start with libya in the beginning of their prizing of the revolution whatever you call it there were concerns that those may fall into the hands of terrorists has already happened in your view of course it is because it's easier for. leaving arsenal want to get them back it's about to record the most of the guns that were looted you know in the niger and i think that's the missing. in the hands of criminals as much as in the hands of terrorists. start off by really getting maybe you don't know you could be sold but at some point the guns they're called before. in the case of libya the concerns that you've got a lot of the rebels were and so fairly recently al

but not before i'd rather look at who owns the banks guns but i was always being struck by cheap guns are so many so now one thing i noticed when i was in march and because i've got. a gun sort of becomes the same very fancy i don't for the young and so it's almost like having an i pod find american chain a train every young person wants to have it has all the kalashnikov now wondering whether you can really talk about any serious. arms trafficking when you have a cultural for young people really thinking of god having a collage if it's really what makes them cool to shoot this is a problem in certain in the i was involved some time ago you know sort of the company most of them knew him as a well known and must have been saying i'm told it's a good business without the gun which in the thirty's the problem certainly for young men i mean one of the problems that up. with the child soldiers with all of them has been you know it's archly. more fun to be so when you're with a girl because you're going to take what you want for that's for the moment just take it because you're going to go

know where those guns were. now, the information from yet another letter, this written to a gun shop owner is informing the gun shop the atf is going to send in an agent to buy four pistols for official duties. we now know these too were purchased as part of fast and furious. not only were they tracking the guns purchased legally, they were also buying guns with taxpayer dollars and allowing those to go across the border as well. >> so again, clarify why the atf would purchase these weapons? >> the operation makes no sense. according to every law enforcement authority i have talked about, and that includes many atf agents themselves, you don't ever let a gun walk, as they say in this business, especially without any way to know where it is going. so what's the real purpose? the lack of sense, the apparent cover-up has opened the door for cheese conspiracy theorists. they believe this was part of a convoluted plan for the obama administration and the attorney general to actually increase the level of violence on

it's about to recall the most of the guns that were looted and you know it's not just the missing. in the hands of criminals as much as in the hands of terrorists all started off by being illegally maybe you could be sold at some point to go to the court for. the case of libya as you know that's a lot of the rebels were until fairly recently all sort of go that was being made with al-qaeda in some cases so there are some orders to what they might do with them but it's going to finish because i think the whole character of the market which is always the second interesting muslims in libya and once you get support for the revolution of any sort. of control of some of the individuals within it is now prior to the uprising russia was one of the main suppliers of this to libya. but as far as i know it was not the only one and some of the countries that are now waging a campaign a military campaign against colonel gaddafi are also supplying weapons to his regime quite openly yes because it's interesting isn't it that if you look at. the moral record to the west i'm just i'm just not good

through a group called the most of the guns that were looted on the nine hundred ninety s. are still missing. in the hands of criminals as much as the mouths of terrorists all go and start off by leaving many to be strewn with at some point the guns and of course. it's because of libya as you know that a lot of the rebels were and so fairly recently also regarded as being in the with al-qaeda in some cases so there are some orders to work with. you know when i say she called her all kinds of democracy which is always if you're interested with arms and i want to get support for the revolution of any sort of you terms of loose control of some of the individuals who is now prior to the uprising russia was one of the main suppliers of this to libya. but as far as i know it was not the only one and some of the countries that are now waging a campaign and i military campaign against colonel gadhafi are also supplying weapons to his regime quite openly yes because it's interesting isn't it if you look at. the record through the western media that he was not offered a good we seeme

because it's easier for guns through. most of the guns. in the nine hundred ninety just. in the hands of criminals as much as in the hands of terrorists. by being legally married and legally so with at some point. in the case of libya. a lot of the rebels were until fairly recently also regarded as being in league with al qaida and some. yes it is so that is similar to what they might do with them that is you know i'm going to say some code they call character the motto of which would is always you take an interest in what happens in libya and once you get support for the revolution of any sort then you tend to do some control of some of the individuals within it is now prior to the uprising russia was one of the main suppliers of rappers to libya. but as far as i know it was not the only one and some of the countries that are now waging a campaign a military campaign against colonel gaddafi are also supplying weapons to his regime quite openly yes because it's interesting isn't it that if you look at the the moral record to the west in these things is notable for the goo

with at some point the guns that cause the problems. and because of libya the concerns i should have that's a lot of the rebels were until fairly recently also regarded as being in league with al qaida in some cases so there are some more as to what they might do with i'm just going to say she called it a call card to the market which is always a huge interest in what happens in libya and once you get support for the revolution or any sort of. control of some of the individuals within it now prior to the uprising russia was one of the main suppliers of libya. but as far as i know it was not the only one and some of the countries that are now waging a campaign and a military campaign against colonel gaddafi are also supplying weapons to his regime right ultimately yes because it's interesting isn't it if you look at. the record of the west to the east things are not awfully good we seem to him to be. iraq and libya because they've got something we want i don't see anyone helping any critically so it's a good invading syria and this was t

not only at crime scenes but also through the gun buy-back program where money is offered for guns. this year, they say there are fewer specialized enforcement teams to target gun crimes, at the same time homicides are the rise. this year they are expecting to recover only about 1,000 weapons. they say 80 officers cut really hurt, 30 were re-hired this year. and jean kwan says a deal will help but the reorganization and the ability to be pro-active is reduced because of fewer officers available. fewer cops, more guns and a serious problem says oakland pd. live in oakland, terry mcsweeney "abc 7 news." >> we have developing news from alaska where a tsunami warning is in effect after a 7.1 magnitude earthquake. it hit this morning and was in the southern tip of the aleutian islands. the areas are very remote. not heavily populated. >>> the labor department will release august jobs report in the next half-hour and analysts expect it to show signs of modest growth. they are expected to say employers added 39,000 jobs, but that is not enough to change the unemployment rate. it's been abo

and gun violence.ut to recognize as a society, we have done little to decrease the proliferation of guns on our streets. we have done little. it's just like the war to drugs. you know, it seems almost strange toous those words since it's been such a failure. but the same thing we've seen with guns. particularly those of you who work with youth and in the communities, which are plagued by violence and war fare. what we're seeing is a reflection of what we're seeing in many poverty stricken communities across the country. there are an obligation of those who lead our schools, who and transportation and we cannot ignore the realities of the street, of the community and families. many of the issues that our young people are struggling with each and every day. we are going to be presenting some very, i think, helpful important information. we start with the facts about what we're seeing in san francisco. we're focuses not only on individuals who are allegeed to have pertraited violence. but who are victimiz

to be strewn with at some point the guns that corporal. in the case of libya the concerns as you know that a lot of the rebels were until fairly recently also to go there is being in with al qaida in some cases so there are some orders to work play by deal with them you know what i was called to the culture of america which is always taking an interest in world problems and i want to get support from the revolutionaries who want you to introduce. some of the individuals who did it now prior to the uprising in russia was one of the main suppliers of this to libya. but as far as i know it was not the only one and some of the countries that are now waging a campaign a military campaign against colonel gadhafi are also supplying weapons to his regime quite openly yes because it's interesting isn't it that if you look at. the moral graphical to the west in which things are not awfully good we seem to intervene. iraq and libya because they've got something we want i don't see anyone having any great these are to go and invade syria and dispose t

they were told to just follow the guns. they followed the guns to a storehouse.not have 24-hour surveillance except for one of the agents decided to stay there six days, and i don't know when, but anyway, a truck came along to load up the guns. they called for help to arrest them in the process of transferring the guns, but they wouldn't send anybody to arrest them, so the guns got over -- got some place, maybe over the border, and they were never traced which was the purpose of the operation in the first place. >> greta: now, the first question i have when i was looking through all these materials, and i've got copies of documents. there's one letter from the justice department dated february 4th of this year in which it says at the outset, the allegation described in jury january 27th letter, senator, that the atf sanctioned or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who transferred them to mexico is false. is that a false statement from the department of justice? >> it is a false statement from the department of justice. th

also the gun buy-back program. this year the pd says it looks like they will bring in many a thousand guns off the street. that is down 30% from the average of the past five years. the problem is there are fewer cops, fewer specialized enforcement teams and at the same time homicides and shootings are on the rise dropping this year. oakland police says 80 officers lost to budget cuts last year, although 30 returned to the force. mayor says she has new agreement that the federal bureau of tobacco and firearms is going to help. but where there were six crime reduction teams there is now three. it's the ability to do pro-active work has now turned into reactive work. if you can't get the criminals off the streets before the crimes are committed, the crime is committed. >>> a san jose police officer arrested for molesting underage boys is due to face charges in court today. gilroy police arrested the officer when he arrived for work on wednesday. durego is free on bail. prosecutors say he molested his is a and 17-year-