the two of them ruemmler and mcdonough have to go and testify under oath. they take the fifth amendment, hill, you know all hell is going to break loose. >> if they take the fifth, i would imagine thatheir days are numbered in the white house it would have to be. again, it doesn't mean that we know exactly what the legal culpability is. they pled the fifth. however, it looks bad, it stinks and american people are not going to be comfortable with this. they don't want a white house democrat or republican that targets political groups that based on their beliefs. you don't the that. i don't think that's what obama is attempting to do. >> bill: certainly irs attempted to do it. that is a federal agency under his administration. so you can't just say oh he didn't know about it so we don't really -- you have to get to the bottom of it. >> get to the bottom of it but the problem is the right has attempted to paint this as some nixon-like moment. >> bill: some have. >> and some have like john boehner. some have not. >> bill: no, no, no. boehner didn't do it. boehn

was it a problem for dennis mcdonough to not tell the president? i don't think. so there's a lot of things. if you pick out this isolated thing, why didn't he tell the president? well, everyday dennis mcdonough or whoever the chief of staff is probably learns a lot of things that he doesn't tell the president because the president has a limited amount of decision time so blocking information to the president is his job. so i think this seems -- maybe the political radar didn't go off. i think probably seems like something the president did need to worry about. >> i see it differently. we need to keep the i.r.s. story in focus which is this. the i.r.s. actions were reprehensible, heads should have rolled and they did roll. there is no evidence that this was anything except for bottom up incompetence and stupidity abetted by management, incredibly bad management at the i.r.s.. there's no evidence that anybody at trry less anybody at the white house, knew about any of this before the i.g. started investigating. so when this did go to the white house, though they in

mcdonough suffers from dementia. he's been missing for 14 hours.station's crew called the authorities. >>> and now to sports. the pacers and heat face off tonight in game five of their nba playoff series. as for hockey, game seven highlights now from espn. >>> welcome in to your "sportscenter" update. i'm dario melendez. the chicago blackhawks have never come back to win a best of seven series down 3-1 in the series. well, they had a chance to right that wednesday night taking on the red wings in game seven of the western conference semis. second period, no score. red wings caught on the line change and patrick sharp made them play and puts the hawks up, 1-0. the third, same score, henrik zetterberg, going to change that. the equalizer. take another look. zetterberg knocking on the back door. just like that, we're tied at 1. later in the third, under two to go, niklas hjalmarsson is going to get the pass and check it out. the go-ahead goal with under two minutes to play in the third period, but take another look. the play stopped before the goal be

wardens had hoped mcdonough would be up and moving around when the sun came up and that either policerly morning, we were really hoping the sun really bring him back to the road, and fortunately, he did, it brought him back to you. aside from a little blood on his hand and shirt, wardens say he was physically fine. the search teams are trained to deal with cases of dementia, and are happy robert mcdonough showed up safe and sound. i have learned early i make no prediction on those; always assume that he is alive and well right until the end for us, good. >>catherine:in an apparent coincidence -- the man was found in the exact spot where he was reported missing. in queens - a house explosion and fire that may have been sparked by a gas leak. the home in howard beach was gutted. a woman who was inside survived - but is badly burned. firefighters got help from members of the national guard in handling the scene. and the block where it all happened is part of the super-storm sandy recovery effort. the identity of a woman found dead in a cleveland, ohio field is still a mystery. police dis

>> i would say the three people are dennis mcdonough, dan pfeiffer, jennifer palmery.jennifer palmery went through clinton and through john edwards. >> in strong terms or just sicca fan? >> everything you hear about them is that they do you bring up a good point. we don't know unless we're in that room. >> what's your sense? >> my sense is they don't. or he's not listening. somebody needs to tell him exactly as you said at the opening. he needs to hear the fact this train is coming. the only way you get in front of it is get all the information out, out in the time and manner you want to. you don't wait and let things leak out the way they've been. don't let yourself be second guessed. don't let yourself look like a thug -- >> let's talk about the benghazi -- >> we'll start with that. a lot of people think that's not properly called a scandal. what is it, though in what to you call that thing? >> it is sort of this -- i don't know what to call it. we'll call it a controversy. >> the enemy -- >> he believes that it is a witch hunt by republicans. >> he thinks that. do t

i'm a student at georgetown's mcdonough school of business. greatest global challenge in the next ten years and what can this generation of young business leaders do to solve that problem? >> well, my advice is that the poorest 2 billion in the world out of the 7 billion have not shared in the riches and innovation that we all kind of take for granted and so, i think it's critical, whether it's getting them new vaccines or better seeds for agriculture, that we a little bit, put more energy into that because we can uplift them for such install amounts of money and get them to be self-sufficient and get the economies to be table. and i hope that the younger generation starts at an earlier age than i did big about these things, whether it's full-time work or part-time. or even volunteer activity. there's so much that can be done. >> bill, warren, what do you think? >> well, when bill talks about full-time, he means full-time. and bill, bill is putting in a back-breaking schedule around the world in terms of attacking these problems and i really,

i think he would have been better off if somebody had -- the minute the chief of staff mcdonough got ahold of this information, the preliminary report, he should have walked in there, get on top of this. this is the galloping horse of history. i only got an early report on this. i just heard of it. the first time i get more information on it there are going to be people in administrative leaves and heads are going to roll if this happened. that way he'd be the prosecutor of the case instead of what looks like the political defendant. >> i agree with you on that. i think what they were thinking, though, is, let's try to get all the facts and get all the information. >> that worked out. >> also when you're in government, you can do that when you're in a campaign and control everything. when you're in government, you don't know what you don't know. >> you know what, mcdonough should have found out. this president is in trouble over something he didn't do wrong. when you let that happen in the white house, you're not serving the guy. ron, i wish we had more time. do you have a last quick

slight on denennis mcdonough, who can push the president.he quality of the peop in the white house were in the government. perceived to be credible to the american public and politicians on capit hill -- somewhere between appointing a special cnsel, which would be overkill. they would loose control quickly. p promoti, perhaps even a jointongressional committee -- some process that people would say "ok, they y got to the bottom of itnobody had their thumb onon the scale." >> in the meantime, with all of those controversies popping up, there is a lot of actitivity on the washington business fnt. you won't -- wrotote a an ticle "hdicapping the players." there are now three vying for the lucrative prince george's county casino license. we will come back for it, but .ive us the thr are >> mgm resortsnternational, greeood racing and penn national gaming. >> greenwoods the new player. we will take a quick break, but when we come bac i i wan to hear how they got inin thehe competition. stay with us after the break >> we are back with our roundtdtabl

the news crews had just set up a live shot outside the home of bob mcdonough who suffers from dementia. a reporter was about to do a live update, i know this guy by the way, on tuesday morning when mcdonough walked out of the woods and say what are you guys doing? there you go. he was physically fine. >> at first the reporter didn't recognize him and he kept looking at him and then finally said, wait a second. >> you're in the video here. >> yeah. >> oh, good. >> glad he's safe now. >>> all right. liz, time for traffic. >> okay. >> what have you got? >> reporter: a first live picture out of oakland. you guys mentioned that breaking news in oakland so crews are battling a fire. an earlier fire at a warehouse when they stumbled upon a marijuana grow house. the fire is now out. our crews are on scene there at 51st and east 12th. the fire broke out shortly after 4:00 this morning. they were able to get it under control within about 20 minutes. but obviously now they have a little more to deal with. we have our reporter kpix 5 reporter anne makovec is on scene so she will bring us a live up

ryan mcdonough lets it rip. early third period, hagelin. shoot and score, big fellows. rangers, 2-1. fires far side, scores, ties it up, goes in overtime in the extra frame, patrice bergeron finds brad marchand in front of the goal and bruins win it, 3-2. >>> other news from the sports world, david beckham calling it quits. i'm matt barrie with your "sportscenter" update. >>> a rather unique reunion of an army officer and his daughter is why it's our "play of the day." it happened at last night's tampa bay rays game. lieutenant colonel will adams delivered a video message supposedly from afghanistan. his daughter, well, she then went out to throw the first pitch. little did she know her dad was in catcher's gear. that's right, the pitch didn't quite make it to the plate but that, of course, is besides the point. dad reveals himself as the catcher and happy reunion takes place right there on the field. you just never ever get tired of seeing this. adams had been overseas for a year. >>> coming up next in "the pulse," one of the most successful tv shows comes to an end wi

of march of this year and dennis mcdonough heard about it on april and president obama says he heardgo. this is laughable. these are major players in the obama administration. some as far back as two years ago. >> bob: these are very senior people who are the exact kind of people to keep bad news away from the president. he may have had some idea about it. i do think there is a smoking gun? do they think they circle here and should they lie, and should they be gone? absolutely, but i think this is not something that ends his presidency. >> eric: if in fact president obama did know about it and he going on national television and says i learned about the way you did, on tv. >> andrea: he as comfortable time trade he is incompetent. 80% of the time they talk about obamacare and 118 meetings, what do they talk about rest of rest of time. basketball? what were they talking about in these executive meetings? i think what is most troubling, as jay seculo, he is frequent guest on and he is about to file ten more lawsuits of groups saying they are still being targeted by the irs. irs says th

dennis, mcdonough, he brought donuts. >> one question, susan rice going testify?ward tomorrow. >> eric: hey she is the one that did the talking points. >> dana: believe me there were people that were running through her paces. at any point did somebody say, i don't think this is story is going to hold on up. >> do we have a license to call ambassador rice. >> greg: point about the donuts, why did they bring the donuts? >> there is a hole in the story. [ laughter ] >> kimberly: they need to bring donut holes. >> greg: greta van susteren she joins us from ohio with information she gathered from the scene. amanda, gina and michelle were rescued less than 24 hours ago. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >>. >> bob: welcome back to "the five." we are talking about the rescue of three women who were abducted eight years ago. what was the story about the daughter of one of these guys? >> eric: castro's daughter. >> dana: daughter of the cleveland suspect, in 2007 the accused daughter emily castro treo slashed a woman's throat and serving a 35 year sentence.

kathryn ruemmler apparently knew about it on april 24th and so did white house chief of staff dennis mcdonough. treasury secretary jack lew knew about the irs investigation on march 15th. but, again, mr. obama knew nothing until may 10th. joining us now from washington, fox news political analyst charles krauthammer. and you >> well, the president says everybody has to tell the truth. i was on this show last week thursday, the day the president answered questions from the press while standing next to the prime minister of turkey. there was a question asked by the bloomberg reporter. did anybody at the white house know about the irs activities? and do you remember my saying on the show that time with you, that obama gave a very lawyerly and peculiar answer. he did not answer about the white house staff. he said i didn't know about the ig report until i learned about it in the press the question was not about him. the question was about the white house staff. and he deliberately dodged that answer. now we know that when he was asked that question last thursday, he knew at the time that his staff

if you look back at the white house in particular, dennis mcdonough who is now the white house chief of staff was at that time the deputy of the national security council pulled together a meeting along with bin roads and others which is probably where this -- i think we don't have the proof yet, we need to get it but d where some of these very bad and dangerous decisions were made and where the coverup really had its genesis. >> governor huckabee: we don't know where the president really was. he had one phone call that night. no photos of him in the situation room. no indication, no even white house official coming and saying the president was monitoring this from the situation room from the oval office or even from the residence. we have no idea. what his engagement and involvement was. now,o general, a lot of accusations have come from democrats saying that this is all about politics just tomorrow bare was the president. you are a military guy. and you led an effort 700 special forces people to sign a letter. was that a political statement on your part and those of the 700 special

the "new york times" reporting today that dennis mcdonough, who is a directing white house -- he's the president's chief of staff is directing white house staffers to spend no more than 10% of their time on these issues. >> right. i mean, i think that was, you know, a calculated decision both to show that we're not going to be deterred from our agenda for all of this. let's keep in mind that this could be very good for the tea party and for republicans, but it could also represent an opportunity for the tea party and the conservative base, as it often does, to overreach. we're already hearing talk about impeachment hearings. i think that most americans, as you showed, president obama's numbers are already up. i don't think most americans think this is an impeachable offense. >> some republicans are already saying quit talking, it's not watergate. >> exactly. as rhetoric like that continues to spread, i think republican elites are going to try to tamp down some of that enthusiasm a little bit. >> i want to bring our congressman polis, the democrat from colorado. quote, we like to play i

that is 73-year-old rob ert mcdonough, who apparently has dementia. he'd been missing for 14 hours. of strolled on by from behind the bushes. the reporter stopped him and asked him some questions. only then did he realize this was the missing man. called the police over. they were in the middle of a search. man found. story over. hero reporter. >> that's what you call a scoop. >> wow. >> just wandered into it. >> that is pretty good. you bet. >> let's talk about unusual jobs. i love this kind of thing. that pay well. there's a new list out. it comes from a book called "odd jobs" by abigail gerrick. let's start out with number one, embaumer. some of these jobs, $44,000 a year, maybe not. even though it pays all right, i'm not going to want to embalm people. funeral service manager, $80,000. of course, you've got to work around dead people, kind of depressing. i like this one, and it's shocking. hot dog vendor. you can make up to $100,000 being a hot dog vendor. i guess you have to have a hot spot but still. >> that's amazing, wow. >> another good one, personal shopper. anywhere from

>> well, they have invited in-strategist in-strategists, the chief of staff, dennis mcdonough has weekly in-staff meetings to kind of take their pulse. no surprise to me it is a bunch of strategists who are very good at damage control. we've seen the white house start as dana talked about on the damage control on the irs. they want to try to figure out a way to get some advice about how to get back to their agenda. how did they ever work with republicans after all they have gone through? and what steps the president can take pro actively to convince the american public that he is working for issues that matter to them. so they're bringing in the strategists to kind of bend their ears. >> and dana, what made it harder with the irs thing, it just seems there are early days in the scandal. there is a lot more information and data to come out. the second term agenda, he needs republicans. what has it done to that? >> well, this is a distraction. no question, i talked to a senior democratic source on capitol hill and they're concerned about the issue, the most tenuous, and possibly the most i

chris: there was a story in the papers over the weekend that the white house chief of staff dennis mcdonoughwith top aides and said i want you to spent no more than 10% of your time on any of the scandals. you have been in the middle of the scandals in the bush white house. how consuming are they. >> good luck. it will consume as much time as it needed. we will have three or four weeks or five or six weeks of hearing and debate back and forth on capitol hill and it will consume time. the narrative of not being able to get things done. it is not just the government cannot get things done. it is president obama can't get things done. 57% of american people thought the president was able to get things done after the election and 37% said he was not. after the year thus far in the budget and sequestration and all of this the administration has fallen flat it is now 49% say he can get things done, down 8. with the coming battle over the debt ceiling and budget and all this i think this is going to get worse and not better. >> chris: you have a poll for everything, don't you? >> i only offered up

congress and correct directly with some of the members and the new white house chief of staff, dennis mcdonough has been central to that. he helped get that dinner going with the republican senators he's taken the democrats around town. jim was pointing out this isn't a partisan thing at all. democrats complain as much as anyone about the silence from this white house. democrats who could give them good advice, who've lived through what they're living through now say they never get a call or if they get called in to the white house if they do go in nobody ever asks them their opinion we hear about his visits with world leaders. the president's conversations with world leaders are not-- the key question for any good marriage-- "what do you think?" you don't find this president -- >> rose: or what's in it for you. none of them say that he was genuinely interested in listening to me and how i could maybe either help him with his issues or he could help me with mine. >> look at the notes on the world leader conversation and it's "i think, i know, i believe." >> rose: is that what they say? "i think

she, in turn, notified the president's chief of staff, denis mcdonough, among others. but white house press secretary jay carney says ruemmler advised against telling president obama, because the investigation was still under way. >> she expressed to other members of the senior staff, that this is not the kind of thing when you have an ongoing investigation, or an ongoing audit, that requires notification to the president. because, what is important is that we wait until that kind of process is completed before we take action. >> sreenivasan: carney said again the president was not informed of what the investigation found until news reports surfaced ten days ago. a senate committee reported today between 2009 and 2012 the tech giant shifted at least $74 billion out of the reach of the i.r.s. by incorporating in ireland. apple says it is the largest tax payer in the u.s. at $6 billion and its strategies are legal. its ceo tim cook is expected to testify at a senate hearing tomorrow. boeing's new 787 dreamliner is airborne again in the u.s., four months after being groun

. >> wise with detailed denis mcdonough and not the president? [inaudible] >> again in notification here is what we know about it and we will find out more. i'm just paraphrasing as an example, ig reports tend to change a lot before they are finalized and we don't know the specifics of who did this and why they did it. >> the audit was shared with the treasure in mid-march. >> was not shared with us. that is my understanding and i would refer you to treasury but again as i described it to you that was what we learned about or the counsel learned about the potential are likely findings. there were line employees at the irs and properly targeted conservative groups with some of the language that i just used and this report was likely to be completed soon although we didn't have a specific date. >> i still don't understand why the president wasn't told. >> as i noted earlier in these situations the counsel made the decision that this was not the kind of thing that we notify the president of an investigation that is not complete because it would be a

white house leaks the story to the "new york times" that says the white house chief of staff, dennis mcdonough, has told his staff not to spend any more than 10% of their time on these issues. does that mean you don't take any of this seriously? >> oh, no, absolutely not. there are some very serious issues here, particular let's i.r.s. where whrfs inexcusable conduct that needs to be fixed. the point our chief of staff is making, this is the republican play book, when they don't have a positive agenda try to drag washington into a swamp of fishing expeditions and we're not going to let that distract us and the president from doing the people's work. >> schieffer: i do not want to compare this to watergate. i don't think this is watergate by any stretch. you weren't born then, i guess, but that is exactly the approach the nixon administration took. these are all second-rate things. we don't have time for this. we have to devote our time to the people's business. >> as you were correct, i was not born then. but i want to be very clear, what happened at the i.r.s. was inexcusable, and we have to

dennis mcdonough did it right.rouble with that is, if they think this was a success, they ain't going to change for the next four years. they're going to be what they were and they walked right into this. that's my view. what's yours? >> i just don't think they reacted right in terms of their own political self-interest. when this came to the attention of the white house, there was a delay. they should have gotten all the information out quickly. by the way, even now all the information is not out. it turns out from "the new york times" and other sources there were liberal groups also investigated by the irs. legitimately investigated for misrepresenting the purpose of their organization. if it had been put in proper context at the beginning, and it had been the white house that was bringing the information out rather than having it leak, i think they would have been better off. >> well, i'm not sure of the facts yet because i still believe -- are you sure you're right about this, that mostly they were the tea part

that dennis mcdonough would like to limit this too. >> as senator blunt was saying on the daily rundown, chris cillizza, what is common sense? would the white house counsel have learned of this and not told the chief of staff? would the chief of staff know about it and not tell the president? you have to say what tests you know, cred you'llty here? >> mark is right here if dan fifer appeared on all the shows yesterday and said what he said, you got to know that you've got this thing sort of tied into a package. that there's more than gs to come out if you're going to draw a hard line and say this didn't reach us, this is partisan fishing expeditions and sorts of frame it in a political context, you kind of have to know all the details. there's a difference between knowing that there was a report coming out and knowing at least what the preliminary findings of that report showed. that matters. that is not a nothing. and that's the issue i think for the white house, which mark has hit on. which is unless they know, no other details will come out this is a story they're not going to be abl

>> well, it's from dennis mcdonough to david axelrod to tom donelan to plouffe plouffe, et cetera, that ultimately decided -- >> rose: plouffe was not in government at that time. >> no, but they all had -- but those who were in the white house that day -- that they had the -- they had the decision ultimately as to recommendations that come from the different agencies of the government. ultimately what ends up being an option that the president would consider and then would ask questions for and would then go to the relevant agencies and say what would it take to resource this, how long will it take, what are the results? but that wasn't there. as i said in woodward's book, it's very clear there are only two options on the table. >> rose: here's what's important, this book, "the dispensable nation: american foreign policy in retreat" suggesting that no longer are we the indispensable nation, we are in fact, the dispensable nation. american foreign policy in retreat. a lot of people-- and this is a very important point to make. a lot of people who think seriously and deeply about foreign

of clothing manufacturing and a professor of finance and international business at georgetown's mcdonough school of business. and david von drehle is a journalist for time magazine, he wrote "triangle, the fire that changed america," a book about this country's response to its own factory disaster. professor rivoli as we saw there were marchs throughout south asia. is this work generally badly paid and dangerous? >> well, i don't think we can make a general conclusion about that. there are good factories, there are good conditions. there are safe factories, and we have experience though at the other end of spectrum as well. of course, what happened last week was an example of conditions at the very bottom. >> suarez: what has changed about the rules governing global trade? how did bangladesh end up the home of the garment industry's -- it's the secretary largest garment industry in the world? >> that's right. in 2005, we did away with a system of apparel trade regulation in the united states that very tightly managed apparel imports into the country. so we didn't have a free market at tha