>> guest: that was grover norquist. "witness"--i think people need to understand how important "witness" is to the conservative movement. whittaker chambers, of course, was the--the former communist operative who came clean and then claimed that alger hiss was also a communist operative. but his book was important to young conservatives in the '70s because hiss, at the time, was being defended by the liberalest--parts of the liberal establishment, who can sti--believed that he was innocent. he was a speaker on campuses. he was defended by the aclu, even though he had been convicted on perjury charges earlier. so for a young conservative looking at, 'well, is everything the liberal press tells me really right?' and if you read whittaker chambers, no. there is this--this bias of--there is this conspiracy if you--if you will, of these liberal ivy league gentlemen, who keep conservatives like us, anti-communists like us, down and who--who wrote off the--the--the whole problem of--i mean, get into that--the whole problem of-

. >> and now, even grover norquist. creator of the infamous taxpayer protection pledge, being targeted for speaking out against ted cruz' shutdown. >> cruz pusheded the republicans out into traffic and then wandered off. he told them it would be safe, it wasn't. he told them it would work, it didn't. he needs to apologize to all the republicans who he misled. >> that was enough for glenn beck this week to declare all out war on norquist. >> i started to talking to people and they said, oh, no, he is a really spooky guy. don't take him on while you're taking on george soros. >> the focus affects attention that norquist is an operative for the muslim brotherhood. >> he is the guy responsible for a lot of the muslim brotherhood stuff that goes on in the white house now. >> it's an old smear stemming from the fact norquist's wife is muslim. it's about more than a conspiracy. >> if you're for the constitution of the united states of america, that's our divided line and there are too many in the republican party, so let's cle

is grover norquist right? or is rush limbaugh right? >> what i would tell you is this -- now is not the time for finger pointing and not i would tell you, in these, i try to learn in life. i lived the perfect life, i made my mistakes. when things haven't worked out the way i wanted them to. i tried to learn. i have no regrets on our policy or principle here. even myself as i look at i the last nine, ten months. i don't think my tone has been perfect everywhere we've gone. if you're going to work together as leaders, you have to be able to talk to each other. i think we have to work through that. frankly, i think the key to the future in the republican party is the focus on the things where we agree. none of us like obama care. we need to focus on those. >> i could not agree more. this fetishizing of tactics and who is conservative enough and who is too conservative is killing us. if you're not going to choose between rush limbaugh and grover norquist, wise decision, by the way, let me get to you weigh in. i think what we've seen over th

people like grover norquist is not a fan.e like john mccain are no friends of his at this point. when you have norquist, and he is sort of the money guy, the repeal all the taxes guy, that does not help him very much. we will see what happens with him over the next couple of years. everyone focuses on iowa. just ask president huckabee or santorum how good it is to win iowa in terms of your chances in the general or even your chances in the republican party primary fight. ultimately those chamber of commerce republicans really do matter. >> and what strikes me is there is safety in numbers, political safety, and so coming out against ted cruz, you have a lot of company in the republican party if you do that. >> that's the key part. he got to take this dance out farther than the incumbent establishment wanted. it blew up in everyone's face and they will continue to hang that on him. that's why we're seeing the louder noises and seeing bainer and mcconnel saying -- they don't always single him out but they say we're not doing th

we had grover norquist on the program earlier. he said no new revenues.ing to have breakfast with paul ryan this morning. the republican position is you've got the revenues already, right? that -- you got the tax increases already. it's now your time to give at least on that issue. is that -- you may think that's a horrible place to start. but may be the place where the conversation begins. >> well, it really cannot -- you don't begin a negotiation by saying you refuse to talk about certain things. and if they're going to take that position, it is going to be hard to move forward. look, they want to begin time in january of this year. the reality is, these efforts began with the budget control act. at that time, we caught $1.2 trillion, spending caps in place, already achieving savings. and the sequester is another $1.2 trillion on top of that which we'd like to replace. my point, andrew, is everybody can start the clock when they want. but if you look at the budget control act, we've done a lot more in cuts than in revenue. >> let's not relitigate the pa

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norquist's statement? squish on issues of fiscal austerity. >> you know, when it comes to issues of fiscal austerity, obviously grover norquist is one of the authorities in washington, d.c. but i spoke with him earlier today as well. and he said that, look, house speaker john boehner has actually gained a little bit of favor with some of these conservatives in his caucus because they feel like the speaker was ready to take the country to the ledge in order to show that he was against the affordable care act so i think it's quite interesting to look at how republicans are playing this -- >> i'm sorry, lauren. so what gets you credit now in the republican party? just so i understand it, is you take the nation to the brink of the edge. is that right? >> well, one of the folks, mick mulvany of south carolina, said that house speaker john boehner has gotten 100% more favorable among some of the members of his own caucus here, so, yes, it appears that is one of the things that as the house speaker could make you

the grover norquist stood out.and, you get nothing if you're fragmented. you get nothing if you're turning on each other. if you're turning on each other, that generates stories that are all about that. if you stand together, it generates stories about harry reid and world war ii veterans. >> right. >> and you -- >> if you kick the shiny soccer ball it generates stories about that. he have you go and pull up stunts like pulling out a check to pay for the security guards at the world war ii memorial. >> once upon a time, the party leadership was actually the group people had to conform to. where it is going in the exact opposite direction now, so people can form into a minority of the republican party. but there is unity, sure, but unity in marching in the wrong direction. >> here is the trouble with unity, lizzie, you covered capitol hill and the financial markets, if they're getting more unified they're getting more unified in the run-up to the debt ceiling fight. >> and that is what worries me and has me jittery.

let me go to somebody who never gets applauded, grover norquist. grover, what is your take in all this? you're a big boy. you've been around the block on these things a few times. how do we get through this impasse at the moment and who really is most to blame? >> well, the reason that we're trying to get everything done right now is that obama, although he says he's willing to negotiate all the time, doesn't even sit down with republicans until, as in 2011 they had the debt ceiling that they ran up against. then and only then did he sit down and discuss anything at all. then we've gone up until now with no negotiations, no discussions. the democrats for years in the senate didn't even bother to pass budgets year after year. so this gets pushed into this short time period. what the president is doing now, i think, is he's overplayed his hand, as he did with the sequester when he wouldn't let the kids have easter egg hunt at the white house because he didn't have any money. >> what do you mean he's overplayed his hand, grover? as john mccain told me

let me go to somebody who never gets applauded, grover norquist.hat is your take in all this? you're a big boy. you've been around the block on these things a few times. how do we get through this impasse at the moment and who really is most to blame? >> well, the reason that we're trying to get everything done right now is that obama, although he says he's willing to negotiate all the time, doesn't even sit down with republicans until, as in 2011 they had the debt ceiling that they ran up against. then and only then did he sit down and discuss anything at all. then we've gone up until now with no negotiations, no discussions. the democrats for years in the senate didn't even bother to pass budgets year after year. so this gets pushed into this short time period. what the president is doing now, i think, is he's overplayed his hand, as he did with the sequester when he wouldn't let the kids have easter egg hunt at the white house because he didn't have any money. >> what do you mean he's overplayed his hand, grover? as john mccain told me yesterday

and then at the same time, you have conservative activist grover norquist.. he says if you make a mistake as big as what they did, the ted cruz crowd, you owe your fellow senators and congressmen a big apology and your constituents because they did essentially nothing. now who is right? is grover norquist right? should you take his lessons or is rush limbaugh right? who's right? >> what i will tell you is this. now is not a time for finger pointing or punditry on finger pointing at least for me. i will tell you this. i try to learn in life. i haven't lived a perfect life. i've made my mistakes. when things haven't worked out the way i wanted them to i've tried to learn. i can tell you, i have no regrets on our policy or principle here. but even myself as i look at it the last nine, ten months. i don't think my tone's been perfect everywhere we've gone. if you're going to work together as leaders you got to be able to talk to each other. so i think we've got to work through that. frankly i think the key to the future of the republican party is the focus on th

. >> let me bring in grover norquist president for americans for tax reform. good to have you with us. where do you stand on this? who are you supporting in all this? >> well, the tactic that was employed that ted cruz said let's have -- demand a vote in the house to abolish obama care, and that anything other than that vote on the continuing resolution was an act of cowardice and appeasement. that's kind of nonsense. because there are many things that republicans might insist on. the president of the united states wants to increase the debt another trillion or two or three trillion dollars. that's not something that should be allowed without some reform in spending in 2011, we agreed the president could have his $2.5 trillion of additional debt that he had run up and that he planned to run up, but only if we cut spending 2.5 trillion over a decade which was agreed to. those caps happened. the country got real reform. spending began to come down a bit as a percentage of the economy. so there's some very real things in terms of spending restraint that the count

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in an interview with ezra kline, grover norquist -- >> i love grover norquist. liberals hate him.sort of. he said that republicans were united in wanting to repeal obama care. that senator cruz went after legislators who didn't follow his strategy. norquist added cruz pushed house republicans into traffic and wandering away. >> he does have a strategy. >> help. what's going on? >> ted cruz's strategy is that he wants to be a presidential nominee or part of that presidential process. he has no strategy to get along and make friends and through legislation in the senate. for senators who think a freshman comes in and makes friends and tries to work with his own party if not people across the aisle, this is not his strategy. he is well-known and doing well in fund-raising and well-known with the base in texas and his strategy is all about 2016. he has nothing to do with getting anything done in the senate. i was on "morning joe" at 6:00 in the morning the day after his first appearance on "meet the press" in january. he had just been elected and he was trashing everyone and being ver

whatld like you to explain role grover norquist has an washington, d.c. where there in washington, d.c.? there are a lot of charles schultz peanuts references in that question. is, who ist of it grover norquist and why does anyone pay attention to him? grover has been a republican for decades here in washington and he created the american tax reform group which andgotten house republicans senate republicans, two and congressional candidates, to pledge not to raise any taxes. of grover the fear into them when it comes to considering raising revenue to do something about the deficit. we have heard repeatedly from centrists and moderate republicans that the republican party is to in hock to this anti-tax pledge. that gets in the way of coming up with maybe a grand bargain that the president would like to see in terms of doing entitlements and tax revenues to deal with the long-term debt issues. a bit of aas put monkeywrench into the works here which is what grover wants to do. that he wants to decrease the size of government so it becomes so small that you c

what do you say to grover norquist. >> grover's inside the beltway.ks like john mccain who -- at the end of the day, obama care is bad for america, washington exempted themselves, u.s. senators still do not have to be on obama care. 1 that's a real issue here. i wouldn't want to be mark pry yor and say, i still get to keep my goldplated health care plan to his voighters, that will be a real issue. >> do you still have confidence in the speaker of the house? >> i think he actually did a pretty darn good job. the problem is there's 20 or 30 or 40 moderates. they're just like every other republican. they went home and said they're going to phyto'bama care and then whine about the debate and battle. washington is a big town. people can disagree, but don't tell the constituents europosed to obama care and then be like john mccain and attack those who are actually working against it. whether washington, d.c. -- i was disappointed that the washington, d.c. establishment won this round, but at the end of the day i believe conservatives will win this war. >> t

street multimillionaire lobbyist grover norquist instead of the constitution and and if we're going to cut spending where do we cut spending like you know do we dial back the war in iraq or do we cut off women and infants so it's just because no one can agree it's the reason we have a house budget and i. ideology actually it goes beyond ideology because the ideology is being driven by big money what's in the interests of those handful those thirty or so major billionaires who are funding so much of this austerity stuff is not in the interest of the average american right it would be on the politicians now on the subject of borrowing money to pay your bills that's a very simplistic explanation and it goes back to kind of running the government like you run a household that's too simplistic however to some extent and that is what is happening to me you know the shutdown we couldn't jamie dimon said that he's going to take care of the security and he was going to happen as a political move but i mean you know not political it was a good p.r. move that he did potentially for political. dow

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action forum and a man desperate to prove he is not a one trick pony americans for tax reform grover norquist all about immigration something he seemingly knew nothing about or is not interested to talk about and tell his colleagues in sponsors told him it might be a good idea. stocks finished higher with a handful of up beat earnings reports the nasdaq jumped 20 to the people filing for unemployment benefits were down by 12,000 in twitter announcing it has moved up with the update november 6 trying to price the offering expecting to sell 70 million shares of course, that is subject to change. kim co-founder does not like the apple buyback strategy of carl icahn. he said he should leave apple alone and spend more time like bill gates uses to help people like yourself. lou: that will invite to a response for sure. we will be right back. >> scurrying like rats in washington as congress begins hearings over the disastrous launch of the obamacare web site the obamacare web site the contractors have at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in with premium service like one of t

adam: here's the thing, you had grover norquist on fox just about two hours ago.ntially said ted crews had no strategy as to bring about what he was trying to achieve. now you have the economy. if you're a democrat, how do you give the republicans and exit? >> i think he's right. he's a very smart guy. the strategy, there was no strategy. we are now in this situation. republicans have to take obamacare off the table. there is no possible way to define there delight for the debt ceiling. the government shut down negotiations. i thought that he made -- says something fairly important. let's do these things and then let's appoint a conference committee to deal with the other fiscal issues. another is not a lot of trust between this beaker of the house and democrats and republicans, but that does need to be real addressing of our long term fiscal issues. they should seize on that note. to a clean debt ceiling and then go to negotiations. adam: there are places where they agree. the democrats wanted to repeal the tax on medical devices. right now they won't do that, bu

satellite set a 30 minute panel at the end of the movie with key no figures like we hope grover norquistribbean present to the american people five different solutions or alternatives to the way things have been lou: try this investigate who ever abused power and participated in that management of the irs, put them in jail. is that a possibility? >> i really don't think it is. when you have happening in the government nobody will be held accountable for the we are can people have to replace their representatives in congress to tell them abolish the system. lou: the system you talk about the irs? >> the income-tax the 16th amendment in to move to one of the other alternatives. lou: i you make me feel modest of my edition with those conservative groups in those individuals that you talk about you get the big picture we will be watching on april 15, 2014. that it is it have a great weekend. good night from new york. you feel that in your muscles? i do... drink water. it's a long story. well, not having branches let's us give you great rates and service. well, noti'd like that.es a new way t

a guy like grover norquist, americans for tax reform, i have not heard him talk and immigration for years. of the sydney is clamoring. i get sort of suspicious when billionaires' start marching have been trying to push policy. i really do. and there are a handful out front on this deal. no one is talking about the impact on the american middle-class, the economic condition of this country. no one is talking about the millions of americans is still not getting a square deal or being able to seize opportunities command we have all you big shots out there talking about illegal immigration amnesty. >> i would like to see my billion dollars. lou: i was not referring to you. some others and the establishment of the republican party, you know, you are doing the lord's work. lou: you just gave one of the most important speeches about immigration reform. it is about having an economy that performs in the 21st century like we had that 20th-century where we saw robust economic growth, the middle class have a chance to get ahead , we saw the kinds of skills that were valued in the market rewarded wit

i watch this, grover norquist, and i could barely believe what i was watching.like the person in charge of this almost didn't know anything about it. >> one of the things barack obama said when he ran for office was that he would have a very transparent government, more than previous administrations. for some reason they're not willing to tell us how many people signed up. it's a known number. they do know the number. why not level with people about simple facts? it may not be the number they want. but sibelius doesn't seem to be on top of what's going on. she could at least give us accurate numbers in a timely manner on what's happening with obama care. >> right. david, it was embarrassing to watch. and nothing against kathleen sibelius. met her once. seems a very nice lady. i was squirming watching this. >> there's a fairly simple answer to the questions he was asking particularly about why they want to get young people to sign up and the individual mandate. but what strikes me, piers, about this entire debate is two sort of fundamental facts about washington.

i watch this, grover norquist, and i could barely believe what i was watching. the person in charge of this almost didn't know anything about it. >> one of the things barack obama said when he ran for office was that he would have a very transparent government, more than previous administrations. for some reason they're not willing to tell us how many people signed up. it's a known number. they do know the number. why not level with people about simple facts? it may not be the number they want. but sibelius doesn't seem to be on top of what's going on. she could at least give us accurate numbers in a timely manner on what's happening with obama care. >> right. david, it was embarrassing to watch. and nothing against kathleen sibelius. met her once. seems a very nice lady. i was squirming watching this. >> there's a fairly simple answer to the questions he was asking particularly about why they want to get young people to sign up and the individual mandate. but what strikes me, piers, about this entire debate is two sort of fundamental facts about washington. num

when we ponder that this is not just a recent phenomenon -- in other words, grover norquist, big-time republican -- and we say that it's not political about the judicial branch but yes it is political grover norquist didn't lead the judiciary out when he said he wanted to have a government that was small enough to drown in the bathtub. that includes the judicial branch, which i'm afraid will be the first victim to go down the drain, the closest to the drain than any other branch right now. so, my question is given the compensation clause in article 3 and section 1 compensation shall not be diminished but yet there have been no raises since 1991 by the federal judges except for the cost of living adjustments and those have not happened every year in fact they have not taken place more years than sense 1991 more than they have been given. so we have the illusion of judicial pay the certainly hurts the quality of persons who are able to make the financial sacrifice to serve. and then we have the judicial vacancies where the republican senators are refusing to allow up or down votes on th