joining me now by phone is alan diehl, a former investigator for the ntsb and the united states air force. he is author of a book called "air safety investigators." alan, there are reports that the black box has been found. we can't confirm this, but it has been found and are probably in the hands of the separatists there. can the black box be tampered with? >> i don't think they would have the sophistication to do anything to change the recordings, but obviously they could destroy them or withhold them, and i think that would be certainly a crime against humanity if they did that. >> so if we were eventually able to get the black box, it is very unlikely that they would have been able to change the information on them or destroy some of the information and leave some of the information? >> i don't think they could go and selectively eliminate information. that takes a very high level of technology, and there's only a handful of countries in the world that have laboratories that can do that. i don't think they could do that. obviously they could withhold them or destroy them. but those bl

joining us now is alan diehl former ntsb investigator and author of the book air safety investigation appreciate your being with us here. let's talk a little bit about the importance of timing here. it does matter, right? it's not -- wreckage is not just wreckage, getting to it and securing it is critical? >> yeah, it seems like there is no security on the grounds, and like lisa pointed out, this stuff miami great from the scene. of course the critical things are the black boxes from & from what i know, joie, it looked like the tail of the aircraft which is where those boxes are located separated from the main wreckage so it may be a long way from the main wreckage that we have seen so often in the videos. >> dr. diehl, i would imagine that investigators would also hope to find some evidence of the missile itself, some parts or pieces it of that could help identify exactly who fired it and to help to understand why that happened. i wonder, though, even if they never find any parts of the missile that shot this plane down, quite apparently, is it possible to understand just from the fu

joining me now by phone is alan diehl, a former investigator for the ntsb and the united states air forcestigators." alan, on the black boxes there are reports indicating that the black box has been found. we can't confirm this, but it has been found and are probably in the hands of the separatists rebels there. can the black box be tampered with? >> i don't think they would have the sophistication to do anything to change the recordings, but obviously they could destroy them or withhold them, and i think that would be certainly a crime against humanity if they did that. >> so if we were eventually able to get the black box, it is very unlikely that they would have been able to change the information on them or destroy some of the information and leave some of the information? >> i don't think they could go and selectively eliminate information. that takes a very high level of technology, and there's only a handful of countries in the world that have laboratories that can do that. i don't think they could do that. obviously they could withhold them or destroy them. but those black boxes s

alan diehl joining us on the phone, former ntsb investigators. appreciate your time. >>> we're going on 45 minutes now or so reports initially surfaced. ukrainian official saying a passenger jet, carrying 295 people shot down over a town in the eastern part of ukraine. malaysian airlines at the same time saying in fact it did lose contact with malaysian airlines flight 17 over ukrainian airspace. boeing airplanes tweeted, our thoughts and prayers are with those onboard malaysian 17, as well as their families and loved ones and stand ready to provide assistance. market took a tumble, down about 90 points at the session low. and now stands down about 60 points. s&p 1970, up a touch from the low of the day. scott wapner, michelle caruso-cabrera, scott you'll look at the market reaction? >> i am, carl, and would not be insensitive to the human side of the story with some 295 people onboard this plane, but, of course, looking through this, through the prism of the markets, that's what i'll do. we do see, joe tear norranova, market reacting as it typic

. >> alan diehl, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> you're welcome. ♪ >>> good morning, everybodyi'm thomas roberts. it is friday, july 18th. and welcome to a special hour-long edition of "way too early." the breaking news on two international stories. the downing of malaysia flight 17, as well as israel's forces in the gaza strip. we want to talk about the plane that went down, killing 298 people onboard. u.s. officials believe it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile. but trying to determine if it was fired from the ukrainian or russian side of the border. ukraine's president is calling it a terrorist act and demanding an investigation. he says that pro-russian rebts are responsible. but the separatists have denied responsibility. malaysia airlines flight 17 took off around noon from amsterdam for kuala lumpur. the boeing 777 went down about 25 miles from the russian border. you see the trajectory of the start of the flight there, to where it went down. witnesses reported loud explosions in the sky. debris was visible for a span of nine miles. airline officials say they were

. >> thank you so much for joining us, alan diehl, a former ntsb investigator.n a moment, we will return to our other top story. that is the invasion of gaza taking place. this is "on the move." you're watching bloomberg. ♪ >> just about 12 minutes past 9:00 in hong kong, 12 minutes past 4:00 over in gaza where israeli forces are fighting to stop hamas from firing missiles over the border. the invasion is the first significant is really ground 2009.ion in gaza since it comes after 10 days of aerial attacks that have lost more than 200 palestinians dead. israel says at least 1200 rockets have been fired by hamas in the past week and half. let's bring in our correspondent. he is in tel aviv. what is the latest you are hearing? the artillery fire has been tense throughout the night in gaza. palestinians say roughly around 10:00 p.m. there were power cuts across the territory. lives near the beach, and he said he could hear the bombardment from the land, the air, ansi -- and sea. >> on the back of all of these geopolitical tensions, energy prices rising, as well. wh

. >> alan diehl, thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> you're welcome. >> ari melbourne continues our coverage. it's 8:00 p.m. in the west. the sun is coming up and this is msnbc's special coverage of these two major stories. the crisis in gaza and what u.s. officials now believe was that missile attack on malaysia airlines flight 17. we begin where they've hunkered down in the first time since january of 2009. after 13 hours or so there are reports of five dead according to palestinian media. the u.s. has weighed in on the talks between netanyahu and secretary of state kerry. secretary kerry according to this readout reaffirmed the obama administration's support for israel's right to defend itself. to carefully avoid any civilian deaths. only the we will also bring you the latest, of course, on that downed malaysian flight 17 which crashed this morning in a part of eastern ukraine and ultimately killing 298 passengers who were on board. senior u.s. officials say they believe the flight was taken down by a russian series missile. and minutes ago the u.s. calling for an investigati

alan diehl, thank you for joining us and bringing your perspective to this story.preciate it. >> thank you. >> a lot of the evidence pointing toward the separatists. i spent nearly a month in ukraine when the crimea thing was going on. a lot of these guys are not very disciplined. some of them are. there are russian regulars there and special forces. but you get the inexperienced guys with high-tech weaponry they don't have any need to use them. >>> we'll continue our cover of the malaysian plane crash. >>> an israeli strike on gaza claims the lives of three palestinian children. we talked to the heart broken families they left behind. rejoice for you have entered the promised land of accomodation booking.com booking.yeah! that's why i always choose the fastest intern.r slow. the fastest printer. the fastest lunch. turkey club. the fastest pencil sharpener. the fastest elevator. the fastest speed dial. the fastest office plant. so why wouldn't i choose the fastest wifi? i would. switch to comcast business internet and get the fastest wifi included. comcast business

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