president has ever visited hiroshima or nagasaki. >>> teenagers from the group of seven countries have gathered in central japan. they're holding a junior summit to address global issues. the week long event will center on the theme, the planet for the next generation, environment and sustainable society. each of the 28 representatives aged 15 to 18 was introduced at an opening ceremony. >> we will do our best to make the discussions and relating events fruitful and meaningful. thank you again for support. >> the youngsters will visit a museum on post war industrial pollution and tour spots in the prefecture. they also plan to meet local high school students. the outcome of the discussions is to be presented to japan's government ahead of the g-7 summit in late may. >>> myanmar's de facto leader aung san suu kyi, has outlined the diplomatic course she's plotting for her newly inaugurated civilian government. she pledged to aim for a wide ranging foreign policy. pachari raksawong at our bureau in bangkok has the details. >> aung san suu kyi called envoys from more than 70 countries at t

no more than the bombing of nagasaki and hiroshima. clearly -- from the japanese viewpoint, those were the most horrific weapons ever used in the history of mankind. there are many people, who became -- who leave it -- you have to understand when you let the genie out of the bottle, what you have done is made cyber offare and acceptable form dealing with your adversaries. it is not going to be very impressive for the u.s. government to take that position that you can't do it to us. we did it to someone else first. delayingfective and the iranian nuclear program, but -- pandora's box. cyberattacks, nation unprepared. out," k, "lights

dropped another nuclear bomb on the city of nagasaki. hundreds of thousands were killed. the united states is the only country to ever a drop an atomic tom. kerry toured the hiroshima peace memorial and museum but offered no apology for the u.s. nuclear attack. he said hiroshima was a gutwrenching reminder the world should abandon nuclear weapons. despite kerry's remarks, the united states has been quietly upgrading its nuclear arsenal to create smaller, more precise nuclear bombs as part of a massive effort that will cost up to $1 trillion over three decades. meanwhile, president obama appeared on fox news sunday. he was asked what was the worst mistake of his presidency. plan forly failing to the day after what i think was the right thing to do in intervening in libya. amy: the political fallout from the release of the panama papers continues to grow. the papers revealed how a panamanian firm had set up a global network of shell companies for heads of state, politicians and others to store their money offshore to avoid taxes and oversight. britain british prime minister

russia has been strengthening its criticism of the atomic bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki. >>> when the u.s. dropped an atomic bomb in hiroshima in 1945 it killed tens of thousands of people including a group of american p.o.w.s. few people knew about the death of the u.s. servicemen but one survivor is trying to change that. he's the focus of a documentary telling the lesser known stories of world war ii. >> reporter: a moment that was years in the making. meeting with the families of p.o.w.s who died when the u.s. bombed hiroshima. it's a scene from the do you meanary "paper lanterns." he was only 8 at the time of the bombing but devoted much of his adult life piecing together what happened to 12 american p.o.w.s. the document year's director said when he learned what was being done he had to know why. >> why would you help these people, because they are the one that dropped the bomb on the city. even though they didn't but they were part of the country that did. and your gut reaction is no i wouldn't help them. that's why i think the story is so important. >> reporter: the film s

group of seven countries are calling on leaders and people around the world to visit hiroshima and nagasaki. the ministers concluded a two-day meeting on monday and released a declaration that focuses on nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation. as the host of the conference, foreign minister fumio kishida announced their joint statement, including the hiroshima declaration. the document says that the pepeople of hiroshima and nanagi experienced immense devastation and suffering as a result of the u.s. atomic bombing, and they reaffirmed their commitment to creating a world without nuclear weapons. the ministers urged all states to work on practical and realistic initiatives that can promote meaningful dialog between countries with and without nuclear weapons. they also urged other nuclear weapons states to enhance transparency. diplomatic sources say the country the foreign ministers had in mind was china, which has not disclosed how many nuclear warheads it owns. >> translator: the hiroshima declaration and our visit to the sites related to the bombing have marked a historic step forward

>> guest: no more than the bombing of nagasaki and hiroshima set a bad precedent. it clearly -- [laughter] from the japanese viewpoint, those were the most horrific weapons ever used in the history of mankind. there are many people, president truman among them, who believed that it brought the war to a speedy conclusion and saved a great many american lives. you are absolutely correct. we and the israelis were the first to use cyber warfare in a significant fashion against another country, against iran, against their nuclear program. you have to understand when you let the genie out of the bottle, what you have done is made cyber warfare an acceptable form of dealing with your adversaries. @not going to be -- it's not going to be very impressive for the u.s. government to take the position that you can't do that to us. we did it to someone else first. now, it was effective in delaying the iranian nuclear program for a year and a half, two years. but it did open that particular pandora's box. >> host: here's the book, "lights out: a cyber attack, a nation unprepared

the bombing of that city and nagasaki are viewed in the u.s. as hastening the end of world war ii. and: and south european union officials travel close to turkey's border with syria. many you nations have been dragging their heels on accepting more asylum-seekers. -- el is expected to more than 150 countries will sign the paris climate accord today at the united nations. the landmark agreement is aimed at reducing pollution and slowing rising temperatures linked to floods and droughts. countries have agreed to reduce fossil fuel emissions by generating the way -- by electricity in the way they -- by changing the way they power their cars. i am vonnie quinn. >> good to see you. let's talk about the emissions scandal and how much it is going to cost volkswagen. we did drop as much as 6%. we got a news conference underway in germany. he firmly believes the company will overcome the crisis. chris ryder is standing by. soothing words from the ceo. >> volkswagen's message is they can solve the crisis. >> we have ryan chilcott the board right now. he is our reporter on the ground. >> we w

nagasaki. saving millions of japanese lives.dows were dropped, millions were slated for the invasion of. hundreds of thousands were on ships. waiting to go ashore. it would have been a blood bath. ♪ >> check out the shares of coca-cola. near the highs. the second one in a row. amazing. the home state of new york. john kasich has been all over the empire state. joining us in upstate new york. more and more people. >> something like 4000 people at that rally. private catholic prep school. doing a town hall meeting here in the gym. as you can see, standing in front of the trophy case. he will continue with the strategies. enough delegates. the nine donald trump the nomination. he would win later ballots. picking off some delegates in upstate new york. because of the way that the primary here is structured. it is congressional district. take a look at the latest poll. trump statewide. 54%. ted cruz at 15. getting all the delegates. anything less, it is kind of proportional. >> hangs a lot. peter barnes, appreciate it. >> denying him

years old when the united states of america, my country dropped a nuclear weapon on hiroshima and nagasaki. to me, just as the hundreds of thousands of bodies were steered with burns as the radiationand h spread, i have never quite gotten over white happened. i have reached the concept that nuclear weapons are really bad this world. i won't go into it when you see countries like north korea practicing tests and otherf countries struggling to get a nuclear weapon and the high likelihood of terrorists also seeking off radioactive am materials. the so, i am very concerned about the probable use of this missile. in a letter sent two years ago under secretary of defense frank kendall wrote the following and i quote. beyond the term, and l rso armed bomber force provides the president with a uniquelyuggesto flexible option in an extreme crisis.onld this suggestion that nuclear weapons should be a flexible option is alarming. we should never lowered the threshold for using nuclear c weapons. in fact, i believe we can further reduce the role of nuclear weapons while still maintaining their deterre

died during the battle of okinawa than all those killed during the atomic bombings of hiroshima and nagasakicannot use other than -- and you will be killed as a spy, you know? >> right. >> but the okinawan people could not stand it. so the japanese killed lots of people. [ speaking foreign language ] >> japanese soldiers told us if you use american g.i. all of the women would be tortured or abused. [ speaking foreign language ] ♪ >> get down! get down! who else is in the cave? who else is in the cave? [ speaking foreign language ] >> american soldier was more kind, more tender than the japanese soldier. nobody abused. [ speaking foreign language ] >> the second part of this act is the lost scene that was done. we make our way back to the scent of a girl. >> really? >> was i comparing women to egg salad? that's a shameful metaphor is going on there, really? >> think you may have been. >> if anybody finds that offensive they have ever right to. really? >> yeah. >> look, i was in a vulnerable and emotional state, but i was very happy to receive my little pillows of love. god, i wanted egg salad

died during the battle of okinawa than all those killed during the atomic bombings of hiroshima and nagasakid on okinawa, the general of the okinawan defense forces issued an order that military people and civilians you cannot use other than standard -- and if you use the okinawan language you will be killed as a spy, you know. >> right. >> but the okinawan people could not understand the standard language. so the japanese soldiers killed lots of local people. [ speaking foreign language ] >> japanese soldiers told us if you're captured by the american g.i. all the womens tortured, abused. [ speaking foreign language ] >> get down! get down! who else is in the cave? who else is in the cave? [ speaking foreign language ] >> american soldier was more kind, more tenders than the japanese soldier. nobody captured. nobody abused. [ speaking foreign language ] >> the second part of this act is the lost scene that was done. again somehow we make our way back to the scent of a girl. >> really? >> yes. >> was i comparing like women to egg salad? that's a shameful metaphor is going on there, really? >

died during the battle of okinawa than all those killed during the atomic bombings of hiroshima and nagasakithey had to keep the u.s. military forces as long as possible in okinawa. so that they could prepare defense to protect mainland japan, you know? so, ever since that battle of okinawa. okinawan people say we were sort of, uh, what do you call it? >> anthony: sacrificed? >> masahide: yes, mm-hmm. >> anthony: masahide ota is a former governor of okinawa. in 1945 he was a young conscript in the japanese imperial army. he fought hard and bravely against the allies until he saw japanese soldiers murdering okinawans for food and water. and his faith melted away. gettouan is a private home turned restaurant. serving very traditional okinawan dishes. in honor of their outspoken former governor the restaurant has prepared a dish typically served to royals and v.i.ps in what was once the ryukyu kingdom. it's called tundabun, after the lacquered dish the multi bite-sized portions are presented in. >> masahide: let's eat. >> anthony: that's very good. there's some squid. swordfish wrapped in seawe

the north koreans are, to accept the fact that nuclear weapons kept the peace after hiroshima and nagasaki, nuclear hands and irrational powers. the idea of getting down to zero nukes. you want world war iii, a real one, not fights in the desert, a real one with russia and china involved. you want that? you get rid of nuclear stockpiles. we need new missiles and we -- this president has been terribly destructive of our national defense. do i sound excited? tom: i've got to cut, but i got to cut you short a little bit, only because of time. always enjoy talking to you, lieutenant colonel ralph peters, thank you so much. >> you bet. tom: the dow gang 108 points. the s&p up 13. nasdaq up 45. volume 3.7 billion shares, not bad. for the week, the dow and the s&p up 1.5%. nasdaq with weekly gains of nearly 3%, and remember to listen to lou's radio reports three times a day coast-to-coast on the salem radio network. >>> creepy or innocent? how about this? time-lapse video capturing apocalyptic-style cloud rolling in over southern florida. the impressive wall of clouds is a gust cloud, a result of

. >> today secretary kerry offered no apology for the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki but he did thank japan for its long time alliance with the united states. >> zika virus is considered dangerous. health officials are learning more about the virus that could spread in the continental u.s. jonathan serry has more. >> the obama administration focusing on zika virus. officials visiting the white house for an update on the virus. >> everything we look at with the virus is scarier than we thought. >> hundreds of travel related cases have been diagnosed in the continental u.s. with local transmission currently taking place in american territory. active transmission is expected to spread to the u.s. mainland as the weather gets warmer and the mosquitoes may live in more areas than thought. >> we can assume we won't have problems. >> most people experience mild symptoms if any at all but zika virus is being learned with another sickness that attacks brain and spinal cord and to cause pregnancy complications including a birth defect where babies are born with smaller than normal heads. >> thi

1945 -- any thoughts of what he did and what by using end the war atomic bombs in hiroshima and nagasaki? it is muchu know -- -- really, it is analogous in the situation that sherman did something that no one thought he would do. becaused in a long part he long footed his adversaries. he used their vulnerability. that was also true of the use of nuclear weapons. they use of nuclear weapons, in my way of thinking, was more significant. it has changed war and the way we live. if you think about things after industrial wars of the 20th century, world war i and world war ii, the utility and the amount of life taken senselessly. you have to think western civilization was in a trouble -- in big trouble. that was bad enough, but we moreted a weapon that was powerful than chemical explosives. people have historically used weapons like that promiscuously. things are looking bad. for maybe even the human race. it turns out that nuclear weapons were unusable in warfare. part of the things that i was involved with was figuring out how we could use them and we never solved the problem. neither did th

just to remind you, that nagasaki, the plutonium bomb, 6.2 kilograms of plutonium blew up a city. that's this much. that's it. hiroshima was highly enriched uranium. it was more. today, about 25 kilograms, so smaller than a soccer ball. and we're talking about 1.4 million kilograms in hundreds of facilities and buildings, and this is not ft. knox stuff. and actually one of the things that really bothers me about the nuclear security summit, there's too much of this talk of lock up. why don't we just lock up -- you can't lock up these materials. you dissolve them in acid, there's waste, you work with them, either in nuclear power or in nuclear weapons. so the problem is, there was all this. so we talk about concern about loose nukes. and of course nunn lugar was really essential. the second one was loose materials. could some of this material get away? in 1992, i really didn't see how we're going to get through the next 10 to 20 years, without significant loss of russian nuclear materials. the third that we worried about was loose people, experts. the soviet complex had about a mil

the closest largest city is nagasaki. this is in kumamoto. but also felt in tokyo. it is more densely populated in tokyo and ten kilometers deep. heavily populated area and we are looking at potential for a catastrophic infrastructure damage. there you can see the video beside us as to what happened. there's a tsunami warning that has been issued very dramatic pictures that we are looking at out of southern japan. >> to be precise, the other day's, the thursday 6.2 magnitude quake struck japan. this is a 7.0. that was a -- this is not an aftershock, as they call it. that was a preliminary -- what was the phrase you used as far as the earlier 6.2? >> they are referred to as foreshocks, something leading up to the primary earthquake. 7.0. just about 30 minutes ago, we were saying 7.1. usgs said 7.1 magnitude. i think we need to focus less on what the magnitude of this is -- certainly that is critical but the fact it is so shallow -- i was speaking with cnn international and they were interested in the description of what a shallow earthquake means. it would be like if

dropped another nuclear bomb on the city of nagasaki.dreds of thousands of japanese people were killed last of the united states is the only country to ever drop an atomic on. kerry toured the hiroshima peace memorial and museum but offered no apology for the u.s. nuclear attack. he said hiroshima was a gut-wrenching reminder the world should abandon nuclear weapons. >> going through this museum was a reminder of the depth of obligation at every single one of us in public life carries, in fact, every person position of responsibility carries, to work for peace, to continue the efforts that president obama and other leaders c came together tt talk about in washington a few days at the nunuclear security summit. to create and pursue a world free from nuclear weapons. amy: earlier this month, president obama hosted more than 50 world leaders for his fourth and final nuclear security summit focused on efforts to lock down vulnerable atomic materials to prevent nuclear terrorism.m. obama inaugurated the summit nearly six years agogoafter a 20

hastened the end of world war ii by dropping the world's first atomic bombs on hiroshima and nagasakiservers say previous presidents have not visited out of concern it might be seen as an apology. >>> still ahead, the philadelphia police officer shot three times in an ambush getting back into the swing of things in a major way. that's ahead on nbc 10 news today. >>> this is nbc 10 news. one week ago today, an amtrak train collided with a backhoe, killing two workers and amtrak is now retraining workers on basic safety. investigators are expected to issue a report on what they found so far in just the next few days. the federal railroad administration told amtrak to go over track safety and communication protocols. experts believe that is an indication that the two workers did not even realize that the track they were working on had been reopened to train traffic. >>> now, your nbc 10 first alert weather. >> all right, i'm meteorologist karen thomas, let's look at our weather headlines, we are still cold for sure, especially if you haven't stepped outside just yet. temperature readings

it's fatalistic that japan, the only person to suffer a nuclear brash, hiroshima and nagasaki, wouldram and south korea would get one to bounce off of north korea. he seemed to be somewhat, if not complacent, accepting o of that inevitability. >> hi, chris. thanks for having me on. unbelievable to hear his statements on this. he just clearly has given no thought whatsoever. his policy of winging it is really catching up with him. it's not working. when he finally released his list of foreign policy advisers, it wasn't varsity, it wasn't jv, it's more like the middle school team. and he's being poorly served. you're absolutely right. he sort of said, big shrug, well, you know, if the rest of the world gets nuclear weapons, what are you going to do? it's going to happen anyway. and that's exactly the wrong stance to take. this nuclear security summit that president obama has convened, pulling together over 50 world leaders to say, we have to do something about this. and they've made progress. it is significant, but i have to say, with 15,000 nuclear weapons still in the world, we still

just to remind you, nagasaki, the plutonium bomb, 6.2 kilograms of plutonium blew up a city. 6.2 kilograms of plutonium is this much. that's it. hiroshima was highly enriched uranium. it was more. but today let's say you could make a bomb out of 25 or so kilograms. so smaller than a soccer ball. and we're talking about 1.4 million kilograms in hundreds of facilities and buildings. and this is not fort knox stuff. and actually one of the thing that is really bothers me about the fluke clear security summit there's too much talk of this lock-up. why don't we just lock up -- you can't lock these materials up. you dissolve them in acid. there's waste. you work with them in muk clear power or in nuclear weapons. so the problem is there was all this, so we talk about concern of loose nukes. and of course, nonlugar was really essential. then the second was a loose materials. you know? could some of this material get away? in 1992, i really didn't see how we were going to get through the next ten to 20 years without significant loss of russian nuclear materials. the third we were worried about was

price, and oppenheimer has downgrade downgraded the shares, and he is with us today, and also, tony nagasakiho is joining us as well. we will know that both of you are on the phone, and glad that both of you are here, and we will do it the best we can. andrew, to you first, what made you downgrade the stock today, because you are the only sell sider who did that exactly that today. >> well, okay. thank you, nice to join you g guys, and our view is that the iphone 7 cycle is not good, and it is going to disappoint, and at the end of the day, we thought that we could buy the stock at 95 a year from now. it may rally a little bit, but it is going to be coming down, and lower and disappointing numbers, and basically, this quarter that we had, we feel it is going to be repeated until next june of 2017. so, you know, it makes sense for us to downgrade. >> toni, you are writing a new note this morning and dropped a moment ago, and it says, question, really, a deeper trough or is the end here? which is it? >> i think it is a deeper trough. in the sense that really what we had is an incredibly strong

years old when the united states of america, my country, dropped a nuclear weapon on hiroshima and nagasaki. to me, just as the hundreds of thousands of bodies were seared with burns as the radiation spread, i have never quite gotten over what happened. and i have reached the concept that nuclear weapons are really bad for this world, and i won't go into it. when you see countries like north korea practicing tests and other countries struggling to get a nuclear weapon and the high likelihood of terrorists also seeking out radioactive materials. so i am very concerned about the probable use of this missile. in a letter sent two years ago, undersecretary of defense frank kendall wrote the following -- and i quote -- "beyond deterrence, an lrso armed bomber force provides the president with a uniquely flexible option in an extreme crisis. this suggestion that nuclear weapons should be a flexible option is alarming, and we should never lower the threshold for using nuclear weapons. in fact, i believe we can further reduce the role of nuclear weapons while still maintaining their deterrent effec

nagasaki by 6.2 kilograms that is this much. that's it. hiroshima was more it was highly enriched uranium but smaller than a soccer ball. we're talking 1.4 million and to this is not for knox. that is what really bothers me. [laughter] why don't we just lock up? there is waste. you work with them. so the problem is there was all of this. and the loose material could it get away? in 1982 i didn't know how we we get through the next few years but then we were worried about experts the soviet complex has 1 million working in the nuclear complex. and in the fourth is the exports. now you look back 25 years later it didn't happen. it doesn't take much but incredibly small amount. basically nothing. and exports are a bit of the problem in the 1990's to be a responsible nuclear exploiter. so those four things did not happen in this significantly improved from '91 or '92. the nuclear materials are much better protected in dated back it paid six months at a time. oh into export legitimately but they have made much progress which of them -- much is

the bombing of that city and nagasaki are viewed in the u.s.ving hastened the end of world war ii. global news 24 hours a day. i'm nejra cehic. francine: thank you so much. posted first-quarter sales and profit that missed estimates. that at shares falling in premarket. microsoft also down in premarket. for more, we are joined by hussein kanji and larry hathaway. thank you for joining us. when you look at google, we are concerned about margins, not the growth model, but how much money they can make going forward. is it that wall street inflated our expectations or we have questions about the model? >> i think google right now is a cost-cutting business. everyone knows that search engine revenue is plateauing. it is hitting saturation. this has been inevitable. as the world switches over to mobile, consumption goes up, but the value goes down. google has been spending its big cash horde on investing in new projects that could generate revenue. francine: this is winner take all, or is it? if >> it is, google is number one. >> google is number one

cultural resolution, at the bombing of dresden, when they dropped atomic bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki. and thousands of thousands of innocent civilians died. but it was placed under the notion of a fog of war. now everybody has a cell phone, has a video camera. many of those people have access to the internet. claims can be rebutted but also, claims can be repeated without verification. for example, he said next number of people were killed by drones. the united states has not confirmed or denied those numbers. i know they actually disputed how high the numbers are, so it is worth having some clarification of this point. it seems to be that we are in a period in which is somewhat attack the hospital claiming it is not really a hospital, but is actually a place in which -- it is a disguised attack center, command and control center, we can verify that with modern technology in a way that was not possible before. to my friend from cornell, are you in international relations major or lost it? -- law student? international relations has the notion of regime theory. peter katzenstein, deci

three days later, 70,000 people were killed in nagasaki.orism are the focus of the g-7 summit. >>> shocking beyond words. that is how india's prime minister described a deadly temple fire in the southern city of kolan. [ gunfire ] >> you see and here in this new video what happened during a fireworks celebration on sunday, which officials say was not authorized. at least 106 people were killed and more than 500 others injured. >> for the latest, we want to go to our reporter live in mumbai. so more people have been detained in connection to this horrifying fire. what information do you have on the progress of this criminal investigation? >> reporter: well, police officials have confirmed to us a short time ago that they detained five people who were involved in supplying the fireworks to temple authorities. and they are also looking for about ten people who work for the temple. temple trustees who we believe are on the run. they need to get to these people and understand whether a van was in place, and if so, who were the people responsible

gun pipe design, the weapon that was used on hiroshima and an implosion device that was used on nagasaki. the first requires highly enriched uranium and cannot be made successful the second can be made with highly enriched uranium and plutonium. the first proposition that comes from this conventional wisdom is that trices can only do the first type. so that means terrorist canning only make a weapon, a true yield weapon, not a dirty bomb, a yield weapon with highly enriched uranium second, if they don't have plutonium 239 and instead must suffer through the handicap of designing a weapon with even isotopes 240 and 242, they will get spontaneous neutrons emitted and they will get preignition and it will be terrible. and therefore since high burnup fuel has more of the isotopes in it, the kind of fuel that would be reprocessed in japan or in russia or in the commercial fuel cycle, that's the only kind of stuff available so at the end of the day the conventional wisdom says the weapons design and high burn up fuel, this, the plutonium thing is self-limiting. it can't be used the problem her

we didn't have an internet when they dropped atomic bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki and thousands and thousands of innocent civilians died, but it was placed under the notion of the fog of war. now everybody has a cell phone, everybody has a videocamera. many of those people have access to the internet. claims can be rebutted. also, by the way, claims can be repeated without verification. for example, you said "x" number of people were killed by drone. the united states has not confirmed nor denied those numbers. i know they actually dispute how high the numbers are, so it's worth having some clarification of this point. it seems to me that we are in a period now in which if someone attacks a hospital claiming it's not really a hospital but is actually a place in which it's a disguised attack center, command and control center, you can verify that with modern technology in a way that was not possible before. to my friend from cornell, are you an international relations major or law student or -- >> [ inaudible ] >> long had a notion of regime theory. norms, rules and decision-making p

warhead could have blown up and could have killed hundreds of thousands of people in arkansas -- nagasaki. it didn't go off. it still blew off, people were hurt at what cost it, someone dropped a bold and the ball bounced and put a hole in the tank, at the tank started leaking and that reduced pressure and pretty soon that thing could have blown up. i can give you all the technical reasons but there it was. this is a series of thing. of course, they said the bomb was perfect. the machine was perfect. it wasn't human beings that were in error. human beings are always going to be a mayor, and we are creating machines that can't win in the hands of human beings, and go wrong and will go wrong. it's only a matter of time. secretary perry said we made it by luck without a nuclear catastrophe. that's robert mcnamara. he also said that. a number of others have said. we have made it by luck. that in itself, looking at the political philosophy based on luck, that's not good enough. i think it's also well to remember something i've noticed, there are a lot of dumb ideas that get clearance he -- cur

>> guest: no more than the bombing of nagasaki and hiroshima set a bad precedent.apanese viewpoint, those were the most horrific weapons ever used in the history of mankind. there are many people, president truman among them who believe that it brought the world to a speedyconclusion and save the great many american lives . you are absolutely correct. we and the israelis were the first to use cyber warfare in a significant fashion. against another country, against iran, against their nuclear program. you have to understand whenyou let the genie out of the bottle , what you have done is made cyber warfare and acceptable form of dealing with your adversaries. it's not going to be very impressive for the us government to take the position that you can't do that to thus. we did it to someone else firs . now, it was effective in delaying the iranian nuclear program or a year and a half, two years but it did open that particularpandora's box . >> host: here's the book, lights out: cyber attack. a nation unprepared. surviving the aftermath. the author, ted koppel. >> and