and they're throwing it back on the aclu like it's the aclu?clu want to help? i they are helping. >> it's not the aclu saying we don't want the help. they've been there. we've all talked about it, covered it, whose all there trying to help out. it's the fact of the government coming forward by the way, which we heard for some time, we created this problem trying to pass it off. first it was congress needs to do something. there are things that can be done. >> not trying to reunite them. the state department is in touch with these embassies. it is trying to track down these people. >> right. >> but these are clients of the aclu. the aclu wants to reunite them, as we all do, so help out? what's wrong with that? >> they do want the help. i think the issue they're facing is the idea of if you create a situation where you make -- someone has to go through herculean efforts to get the job done, and then you refuse to extend information that would accomplish that measure, how possibly could they help. i think the real issue is the court, as they set a

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>> one, i don't think that's the job of the aclu. however, i do think the suggestion that the government work together with the aclu. they have information because they have been representing a lot of these kids and reunification would be a smart idea. >> wasn't the government supposed to get that information when they separated the families? at the point of separation, don't you get names and all of that? >> i agree, but have you the reality is immigration attorneys have talked about this sometimes you don't get good, accurate information. sometimes you get misinformation. sometimes the parents that are claiming to be the parents of the children are actually not their parents him some of the parents do not want to be reunified and will waive reunification with their children. so we need to be clear. this is incredibly complex because you do have some parents and some people that were claiming to be parents who dot want to be reunited. that's the important part. >> where does that come from? >> i talked to immigration attorneys. you

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government will go to court with the aclu with the children separated from their families.ernment wants aclu to take over the work of reuniting the 572 children currently in government's custody with their parents. joining me now is our correspondent who's been following this story jacob so soboroff. it is great to have you with us. it is hard to wrap my head around in a little bit. what is the government's argument that it is up to the aclu that should be responsible for reuniting these families? >> this has been a slow motion train wreck of a disaster and it continues to sort of amaze and astonish in every turn. the government separated these children from their parents in a way we have never seen before. as a deterrent, john kelly, is now saying the aclu who wants to do sued them to reunite the 551 kids separated from their parents should be responsible for it, basically because they wanted to happen. it is an impossible thing to understand. the government is the one that has been ordered by a judge to do these unifications and now they're saying because of aclu and anot

the government says it falls to the aclu. welcome to "early start." i'm kaylee hartung in for christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. it is friday. let that marinate for a minute. 4:00 a.m. in the east. because it is friday, we need to start with laughter. stephen colbert taking on the administration. >> trump still getting legal advice from attorney and man who just realized how he will be remembered. rudy giuliani. >> playing poker. put up or shut up. >> you better hope you're not playing poker. because you're client can't keep a casino running. >> okay. his track record with running the economy is better than casinos at this point. let's see about that. good stuff from colbert. >>> we start this morning with a disconnect with trump and the national security team on the subject of russia meddling. president ranting about the russian hoax hours after his top intel officials called out the kremlin for interfering in the upcoming 2018 midterms. at the rally in pennsylvania, he ta touted about the helsinki summit. >> we got along really well. by the way,

the aclu failed in its mission. [applause] >> your contention basically about the theoretical obstruction case involves a number of official acts that he's undertaken or might undertake asking the fbi director if he can go easy on michael flynn, firing a director making several indications he did that at least in part because he was upset about the russia investigation. >> your contention is because these are constitutional powers it cannot be a criminal act. >> it is utterly inconsistent to have a constitutionally authorized act such as president bush pardoning caspar weinberger. thomas jefferson was determined to come back aaron burr treason. he told his attorney general you must prosecute him and he told the chief justice of the united states john marshall if you don't convict him i'm going to get you impeached. he arranged witnesses to come to the white house and made deals if you are willing to testify they will give you a pardon. there is no such thing as immunity in those days and if you are unwilling to test

the aclu is not an arm of the federal government.aclu cannot go to central america and command and work with local officials to help them find these families. they don't have that authority. they cannot go to a consulate, for example. and meet with government officials and work with them and demand that they help them find these parents. >> the judge's ruling is reminding that it's not the aclu or any other ngo group that took intake of these kids. >> exactly. >> made any kind of, you know, record or cataloging of parents and children. but presumably based on the judge's ruling, the government would have done that. so is equipped or should be equipped to try to locate parents who have been deported or simply parents and children who have been separated. but the administration has already spoken essentially. saying it didn't do a good job of cataloging. so now why should anyone think that as a result of the government's actions, these reunifications will take place? >> well, the reunifications are going to take place for most because

with me now, legal deputy director of the aclu's immigrant rights projects, i've got to say, when you look at that project, the florence project, they're not as big as the aclu, you're a big national organization, but even the aclu, is it as crazy as it seems to me, that the federal government, who separated the kids, to turn around and go to a federal court and say, we think the aclu should put everyone back together? >> it was a stunning submission by the government. they were basically saying, look, you go do it and find the parents and tell us when you find them. we have a lot of support, but nowhere near the support the u.s. government has. and the government, worse, is sitting on information that could help us, and they haven't given it to us. they have phone numbers of parents, they haven't given it to us. we have addresses from them. sometimes it's just a city with 700,000 people. that was the address they gave us. they're telling us to get us the phone numbers, they need eight more days. that's terrible. >> okay, i'm confused here. so we've got -- you know, we had 2,500 -- th

advocacy groups like the aclu, they say, should find the parents.ttorneys for the aclu responded to the administration saying it was attempting to avoid its ponce blts by passing its work off to private groups. let's bring in jacob soboroff, who has been following this story. what's going on? the government wants the aclu to do the dirty work? >> think about what you said. the government is asking can -- the trump administration is asking ngos and the aclu through the court to take on responsibility for finding the missing parents, which begs the question, why are the parents missing in the first place? the answer to that question is because the government separated them from their children. so the government who separated these kids, 2,551 total, now 572 left, in u.s. government custody months after they were taken from their parents is now saying, essentially, put your money where your mouth is, aclu. if you want them reunited so bad, you do it. >> is this government admitting they don't have the resources or capabilities to find these parents? >>

now the judge rejecting the administration's having aclu. abc's stephanie ramos with more. >> reporter: these were images that sparked outrage across this country. migrant children held in processing centers. thousands of them separated from their parents by the trump administration. and now, the government suggesting in a court filing that nongovernmental organizations like the aclu use their "considerable resources" to establish contact with those parents who were deported without their kids. saying that state department officials are working with foreign governments. the aclu responding, they will do whatever they can to help locate deported parents. a federal judge declaring it's the "sole responsibility and burden" of the government to reunite those families. according to the aclu, the department of homeland security has no potentially viable addresses for about 120 parents. some of are listed only as calle sin nombre, street without a name. so far they have reunited more than 1500 children with their parents. but lawmakers on both side

lee galarnt is the lead attorney for aclu and representing the separated families. thank you for being here. can you give us a status report how many parents are still separated from their children? >> yeah, over 500. we believe about 560 are still separated. some of the parents are in the u.s. we haven't been able to find those parents. the bulk of them are overseas. we're frantically trying to reach them. we've gotten phone numbers for many of them. some of the phone numbers are not working and some of the parents appear to be in hiding. we'll continue to do everything we can do but one of the fundamental disagreements we have with the government is they are refusing to allow any of these parents to come back to the u.s. to help children asylum hearings. we also believe that some of these parents may have been misled or co-hearersed into acc removal thinking that was the only way to see their children. that's an issue that may have to go back to the judge, whether some of the parents can come back to the u.s. >> i want to ask about that. we've had various surrogat

the other, aclu. rarely do the twain get linked together, and pointed out as working in alliance, but that's what the country at its best -- this may sound sentimental. hell with it. it's actually true -- the country at its best is this combination of forces that may or may not like each other. that may or may not work together in the morning, but will in the afternoon. that's the nature of compromise. the aclu really grew out of the red scare of the 19-teens. just heard this isn't america. unfortunately, this is america. we shouldn't blink. we shouldn't shy away from the darker aspects of our past. whether it's fighting a civil war over slavery, or woodrow wilson resegregated the federal government and curbing civil liberties through the war. all the way, japanese internment. one of ronald reagan's first political speeches in a way came in a ceremony to honor the japanese-american soldiers, despite internment had gone and fought so heroically for the allied cause. he went with joseph stilwell to sout

is the aclu right? >> i do believe the aclu is right.k, keep in mind that president trump created this, quote, issue. and i call it a "quote issue" over the nfl protests because they were noticed before he started tweeting and talking about them in the way that he did, but they were not some huge national issue. he uses the protests by african-american athletes, african-american men, as a wedge issue. and he drives a wedge. to switch to another metaphor, we're way past the dog whistle things and we're into, you know, train horns and blazing signs at this point. >> evan, pick up there, because you've been tracking really the rise in hate groups all across the country. some said, look, we do feel emboldened after president trump was elected. have you seen that increase, or have they backtracked at all, given that there has been a backlash to them? >> well, you have to separate out sort of the idea of the groups themselves and the red rick and the ideology that goes along with it. we did a piece on my show last night, "vice news tonight," t

the aclu says the federal government should find the parent of the 400 children. the san diego judge is said to talk to both sides tomorrow. >>> fighting the trump administration's plan to roll back fuel efficiency standards for cars. the critics say it would hurt future generations generations and undo the progress made. >> they are taking us backwards by freezing the standards and not allowing cars to get cleaner and less expensive for consumers. >> california already has its own strict emissions standards that the white house wants to over ride with its new rules. california and 18 other states are mounting legal challenges setting up another fight with the white house that could make its way to the supreme court. >>> the california department of motor vehicles is giving californians weekend times. the dmv is expanding saturday services to 60 offices statewide. officials hope the extra hours will spread out customers and shorten the lines. you can find the list of the 12 offices in the bay area that will be open on saturdays on our website www.ktvu.com. >>> the

the government says it falls to the aclu. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm dave briggs. >> i'm kaylee hartung. it is 5:00 a.m. in the east. a lot of russian news. you can always depend on colbert to help you wrap your head around it. >> trump getting advice from attorney and man who realizes how he will be remembered. rudy giuliani. >> we were playing poker. put up or shut up. >> you better hope you're not playing poker. because you're client can't keep a casino running. >> if you listen to the president talk about russia and listen to his top intel officials talk about russia, there is a bit of a disconnect. the president ranting about the russian hoax hours after his officials called out the kremlin. at a rally in pennsylvania, president trump touted the helsinki summit with putin and talked about attacks on american democracy. >> we got along really well. by the way, that's a good thing not a bad thing. now we're being hindered by the russian hoax. everybody said, wow, that was great. a couple hours later, i started hearing reports that they wanted me

it wasn't the aclu that separated the kids from their parents. >> no, absolutely not, anderson.ation is that the government has so botched the connection between the parents and the children that they'd like to shed that responsibility and put it off on to someone else. when they sent the parents back without their children, and many of the children of the 700 still not reconnected to their parents, 500 or so their parents have been deported. they didn't track carefully where the parents would be. we don't know if they have more information than they revealed in terms of phone numbers or e-mail addresses. but in terms of street dresses, many of their files just say things like sin calle which means without a street, or maybe lists a city and no other details. and they're finding it difficult to find the parents since they didn't track the administration. they'd like to say, well, we messed it up, but let's make sure someone else has to clean up this. >> it's been going on for weeks now. the government still doesn't know how they're going reunite these families. because even when

let me talk to the deputy director of the aclu immigrant rights project.teams are fighting in court today, fighting the government about whether or not they need to bring these importants who have been deported back to the u.s. to be with their kids. what is your team going to argue here? >> we are going to argue as well as other lawyers in other cases that parents need to be brought back. that they were unlawfully deported with their kids remaining here and that they need to be brought back to have proper asylum hearings and to also assist their children in the children's asylum hearings. i don't know the judge will decide anything but that issue will be raised in court and it's a critically important issue because -- sorry, go on. >> it is a very important issue but here's what -- as you know and your team is praying for. the government will point to the june 26 order by the u.s. district judge and in that order it says "the government would refrain -- the government would remain free to enforce its criminal and immigration laws and to exercise its discr

the aclu says they are denied healthcare, food and sunlight.suing to get them out of prison, not sure where they would go. >> it is disappointing. we had several people in legislation and appropriations to expand these facilities so we are controlling the influx at the border to house them in these detention centers as well as have more judges so we could have expedited due process but ultimately we have to control the border and not let people just roam free. some are pushing for open borders, getting rid of ice. i am going down to the border with a group of other members to take a look at not only new border security proposals but look at these detention centers. >> all right. >> looking forward to talking to you more about it. >> thank you for joining us. democratic governors threatening to withdraw their state from all title x family planning funds if the trump administration goes forward with proposed changes that would affect clinics that provide abortions. pro-life group say that is putting ideology above not abortion services, garrett t

and we have the deputy director of the aclu joining me to talk more about this., thank you for the reporting. >>> i want to update you on an important story. a former wrestler from ohio state this morning is clarifying his comments he says about congressman jim jordan of ohio and whether he knew about the sexual abuse allegations against the team doctor decades ago when congressman jordan was an assistant coach. a month ago this former wrestler by the name of mark coleman said there is no way that congressman jordan doesn't remember what happened unless he has got dementia or something. that was his statement then. now coleman is clarifying to jean casarez saying he has no direct knowledge that the congressman knew about the allegations at all and here's what he told jean. quote, maybe i spoke without thinking. since i've said that it has consumed me 24 hours a day. i didn't like the way it was heading and the direction it was heading. more than 100 former students accused the former team doctor of sexual misconduct. we'll keep you posted on that. >>> up next, a

the aclu sued on behalf of of separated parents. now the trump administration is calling on the aclu to use its considerable resources to find parents in their home countries . the aclu argues the government is trying to shrink its responsibility and they should find -- and they should find parents on their own. as of wednesday 410 children whose parents are outside of the u.s. were still in custody of health and human services. >>> california and 18 other states vowed to fight the trump administration's plan to roll back fuel efficiency standards for cars and trucks. the white house is calling the plan a way to help carmakers by freezing obama era regulations aimed at fighting climate change. critics say this could hurt future generations and undo the progress already made towards reducing carbon emissions. >> they are really taking us backwards by freezing the standards and not allowing cars to get cleaner and more efficient and less expensive for consumers. >> california already has its own very tough emissions standards. the whi

the aclu sued the government on behalf of the parents.nd now the administration argues that the aclu should use its "considerable resources" to fund them. again, the administration created a policy that created this and now they want the aclu to clean it up. lawyers for the aclu say they're willing to help but the government should lead. wild fire alert. today's weather is not helping crews fighting deadly destructive wild fires in northern california. forecasters say humidity levels are low making the land dry and ready to burn. the carr wildfire near redding has killed six people and destroyed more than 1,000 homes. that make it one of the most destructive fires in california history. the national weather service reports a fire tornado that spun up just last week had winds of more than 140 miles an hour. police in florida charging a mother with murder. they say she dropped her 4-year-old daughter into a river. cops say the mother store the car she used to drive to the river. a judge today denied her bail. phil keating has more. >> in an

aclu lawyer.uring recess that carmen and her little girl, the ones we were told would not be removed before 11:59 p.m. today, we just received information suggesting that they likely were removed. we learned from the direct service provider of the dilley detention facility where karmen and her little girl were detained that they were taken from their rooms this morning at dilley. we understand there was an 8:15 a.m. flight out of san antonio so they would have been taken directly from dilley to the san antonio. it suggests they may have been removed or put on a plane. we wanted to raise this because this is obviously unacceptable to plaintiff. it violates the represent participation the government made to us as well as the recommend participation the government made in court yesterday, that our clients would not be removed before 11:59 p.m. thursday, meaning today. it also violates the entire premise of this entire meeting. we would like to ask the score to order to bring her back. all right. her

. >> reporter: that's right, andrea, we have a court filing that came in from the aclu and the trump administration, the parties in this case. first, an update on the numbers. remember, 2,551 children overall were separated from their parents by the trump administration in a systematic way that had never been done before. as of yesterday during this filing, 572 of them still remain in government custody. they have been calling this category "ineligible for reunification." that word does not appear in the latest court filing, but essentially it's the same group of kids we were talking about before. 410 parents from that group were deported before they were able to be reunified with their children. what is most extraordinary, andrea, but what we learned in this latest filing late last night is that the administration is essentially suggesting that the aclu now go take responsibility for tracking down and reuniting these children with their families. to say this as clearly as i can, the party that separated these children from their parents is now saying, look, we got sued, if you guys

the government says the aclu should find their deported parents. how will this immigration crisis be solved coming up next. >>> we mentioned throughout the morning president trump did not mention russia's ongoing efforts to interfere in the november elections. instead, the president dismissed it as a russian hoax hours after his intelligence chief said the threat was real. >> as i have said consistently. russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continues to engage in malign influence operations to this day. this is a threat we need to take extremely seriously and to tackle and respond to with fierce determination and focus. >> joining us now, democratic congressman joaquin castro of texas on the intelligence committee. congressman, we've been full my na -- talking about how the president calls this a hoax while his national security team works to counter the threat. enough said on that, although you may add to it, the counter is despite what the president says or does not say, the government seems to be at work and is on the job try

now they want someone else, i guess, the aclu, to clean it up. how's that playing in court?ot well. this is the new story. the judge tonight overseeing those court-ordered reunifications says this new trump effort is unacceptable. quoted, many of these parents were removed from the country without their child. all of this is a result of the government's, the trump administration, failure to reunite. the reality is for every parent who is not located, there will be a permanently orphaned child and that is 100% the responsibility of the trump administration. i'm joined by msnbc correspondent, jacob soboroff, who has reported extensively on this story for years now, before the separation policy kicked in, and before this period of litigation ensued. number one, your view of what was a smackdown of this idea that the aclu should clean up trump's mess. >> that's exactly what it was. it was a smackdown, a clap back from the judge. and i was in court a week ago tonight, down in san diego, when the judge said he was going to order both of these parties to come up with a plan to reun

. >> reporter: the trump administration telling the aclu essentially we broke it, you fix it. of a hearing this afternoon, the justice department argued the aclu should use its considerable resources, its network of law firms, ngos, volunteers and others to find parents who the government separated from their children and then deported without them. even suggesting that the aclu be required to share weekly updates about their progress locating parents and whether those parents want to be reunited with their children. making this even tougher, the government has resisted handing over entire case files for these parents, something the aclu says would help expedite the search. >> the government doesn't have a plan. the government has shifted the responsibility to us and ngos to find these parents. we'll do it because the government is not, but what we immediate is information from the government, any relative the government may know about, any last known address. something to help us. we're not going to give up. >> reporter: it is not a small task. in a senate hearing this week,

i mean, you mentioned the aclu. i know the aclu really does not like any infringement on -- >> laura: where are they? they're nowhere. they're focusing on illegal immigration and partisan issues. monica, we have 30 seconds. >> i really feel for elizabeth. she's trying to tell the story of her family which is the american dream and these tech giants are trying to crush that message which is particularly appalling. but as elizabeth points out. they've got the algorithms set in a certain direction and then they'll say we have a next barrier of humans, human beings who are trying to review these decisions to make sure there's no bias. all of those people are on the left. >> laura: they're on the left. and jack dorsey said that alex jones didn't violate their policy. up next, president trump made a campaign stop for him in ohio, can he pull off a win? you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else. why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congesti

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get a plan, turn over information to the aclu so they can help you. steps to find these parents. it was stunning the position the government took. >> how does it actually work? i'm guessing that someone that comes into this country and is fleeing circumstances so dire that they bring their young children and young infants to this country, i'm guessing they don't leave with a forwarding address or a working cell phone. what is under the best case scenario? how do you find a mom or a dad who left their infant or their young child in basically a detention center in america? >> right. that's exactly right. it is a difficult task. but there are pieces of information that we can use. and so, for example, a lot of the parents have been talking to their children from abroad. the government has those phone numbers. we have been begging for those phone numbers. they have not turned over those phone numbers. there may be addresses for some. they say they don't have addresses for all. but even those sometimes say here is the city they might be. many of the parent

the aclu stude on behalf of separated family. and now the trump administration is calling on the aclu to use its considerable resources to find the parents. and the aclu argues that the government is trying to shrink its responsibility and find them on their own. >>> supporters are rallying behind oakland mayor shaft that is running for re-election. >>> the mayor and a few of her supporters filed her paperwork. and the mayor said that her priorities continue to be housing and address homelessness and cleaning up the city's streets. she is set to face several other candidates, including activist cat brooks. >>> a professional wrestler will be the next mayor. there is he is in regular clothe. there he is as a wrestler. he runs and insurance real estate company in tennessee. he will take over as mayor of knox county on september 1st. he looks a lot different in both those picture. >> yes, still pretty big and strong. >>> speeding up the screening process at the airport. and what they will do with the facial recognition technology. >

yesterday government attorneys asked the judge to order the aclu to take the lead in finding hundreds of parents who have not been reunited with their children. the aclu responded, asking the judge to order the government to can't working on its own to locate parents. the civil rights group said it is willing to cyst the government in that effort. a hearing on the issue is scheduled for today. >>> an arizona man is in custody accused of molesting a teenage girl at an immigrant holding facility. fernando nagretby is accused of inappropriate casing and touching. local officials are now demanding more to be done to protect children. >> these facilities are really at risk for being gold mines for child predators. we need to be sure, because this is an incredibly dangerous situation, they have the best training and staffing possible. >> earlier this week, lawmakers grilled the executive associate rcenters like southwest key. he described it as having a dorm-like set up and compared it to a summer camp. >>> time now 6:08. california is fighting back against the trump administration's plan t

so they basically said aclu, do our work for us. we really screwed this up.th no plan so this is like a case study and public policy of what not to do and they're passing the buck to the aclu. in the meantime you have hundreds of children and parents who are suffering because they have been separated. and i want to go back for a second to what happened this week with the judge turning the plane back around. if you read the transcript, he's angry not just because the court orders were violated but because this woman, not her real name but referred to as carmen, and her daughter, had stated a credible fear of going back to their home country, yet nevertheless the country took them in the wee hours of the morning, put them on a plane, took them to where they would be in danger. so if you really look at it, the kernel of his anger is that the trump administration is violating our asylum laws. the trump administration has been running roughshod over asylum laws that are in place. people come here with credible fear and there's a justice system that goes forward. s

aclu filed a lawsuit, couldn't stop the destruction of the records but a lawsuit went forward and so there's a paper trail there and it led to the first consent to create in the country, first one, an agreement by a police department to say we are not going to engage in ellegal activity, spielg on our citizens. this this as a follow up to that real quick, just last year it's being revisited. there's a there's a new lawsuit in memphis over whether or not the police are still doing the same thing that they were doing in the 1960s and 1970. and the argument now being made as well. technology has come so far, and our threats from domestic and international terrors sore great we need to update and give the police more latitude to investigate people they deem to be a threat. and that's a lawsuit that's ongoing this day in memphis. >> author, history professor, university of texas at san antonio, gregg michel, thank you very much for stopping by. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> coming up, an interview with former philadelphia mayor frank rizzo on concerns of white working-class voters a

the white house has deferred to the aclu. so ivanka trump, the first of the aclu.sition to do it herself. >> i mean, just this morning, what we know is there are still hundreds of children who are still separated from their families. and then there are parents who are deported without their children. i talked to an immigration lawyer over the weekend who said he's very worried about all these different -- basically all these different access points where you could look at this. there's kids that are with their parents that are still stuck in jail. the kids that might never see their parents again. the government has basically said we're going to try to put this plan together. it's because the aclu has been exerting pressure on this government is why we're seeing even these numbers. >> all right, thank you. we appreciate it. thank you both very much. coming up next, we're going to be talking to a director at the aclu on their efforts to lead the charge on trying to resolve this tragedy of child separations. here's somethingu should know. there's a serious virus out

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the aclu was in court yesterday fighting to keep this woman and her daughter from being deported when it was discovered that the mother and daughter were already on a plane to el salvador. the judge ordered their immediate return. in the middle of a deportation court hearing yesterday, the aclu found out the mother and daughter they were representing were already being deported and on a plane flying from texas back to el salvador. judge emmet sullivan ordered the government to return carmen and her daughter to the united states and called the deportation outrageous. carmen is a pseudonym for the mother and daughter who were denied asylum. >> she was pleading pervasive sexual abuse, domestic abuse, as well as gang violence, and she fled to this country seeking safety. >> carmen and 11 others are claiming domestic violence to get asylum. >> the vast majority of claims we see are not valid. >> reporter: the justice department is not commenting on the case. carmen and her daughter never got off the plane in el salvador. they were flown back to houston and sent to a detention center in sou

florence is not as big as the aclu.is it as crazy as it seems to me for the federal government, who separated the kids, to turn around and go to a federal court and say we think the aclu should put everyone back together. >> it was a stunning by the government. you go do it and you find parent and tell us where you find them. we have a lot of support, but we have no where near the support the u.s. government has and the government, worse, is sitting on information to help us and they haven't given it to us. they have phone numbers of parents and we have addresses and sometimes a city with 700,000 people. that was the address they gave us. they're telling us to get us the phone numbers, they need eight more days. i mean, that's terrible. >> i'm confused here. we have 2,500. around 2,500. the vast majority have been reunited, right? a documented fact. that has happened. >> and we're thrilled about that. 1,700, 1,800 in that ballpark. >> and now we're down to 500, but those 500, as the judge said, are critical. we're talki

the aclu says they are being denied basic human needs such as health care, food, and sunlight. get them out of prison, not sure where they would go. >> yeah, and it's disappointing. we actually have had several pieces of legislation and an appropriations bill to expand these facilities, so we are controlling the influx at the border so we can house them in these detention centers, as well as have more judges so that we can have expedited due process. but we ultimately -- we have to control the border and not to let people just roam free. there are some that are pushing for open borders, and getting rid of i.c.e. i believe we have to follow the rule of law. i'm going down to the border with a group of other members to take a look at not only the new border security proposals, but really, look at these detention centers. we'll be down here first of next week. >> shannon: will you update us? >> absolutely. i look forward to talking to about it. >> shannon: congressman denham, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> shannon: democratic governors threatening to with

the aclu brought this case out here in california and the judge basically said, where is the plan? plan. and a judge literally ordered the government to come up with a plan. that is what is being cared out right now. >> totally remarkable. jacob soboroff, remarkable, unbelievable. you name injury superlative. >> unbelievable. >> thank you very much. jacob soboroff, paul schmidt, thank you as well. >> thank you, katy. >>> meanwhile, dozens of children in yemen were killed when their bus was hit by a bomb. how was the united states involved? your business. so this won't happen. because you've made sure this sensor and this machine are integrated. atta, boy. & yes, some people assign genders to machines. & with edge-to-edge intelligence, you'll know your customers love this color, & don't love this one. never getting grape again. & you can adjust in near real time. & if someone tries to breach your firewall in london & you start to panic... don't. you've got allies on the outside, & security algorithms on the inside. & if it's jammed up here, & it's hot in here. & you know both those

you mentioned the aclu. know they do not like any infringement on anything speech related. >> they're nowhere. they're focusing on illegal immigration and partisan issues. >> monica, real quick. we've got 30 seconds. >> i really feel for elizabeth because she's trying to tell the story of her family, the american dream. but as she points out, they've got these algorithms. they're clearly set in a certain direction. but then there's a next barrier of actual human beings who are trying to review these and artificial intelligence decisions. so those people are on the left. >> and by the way, jack dorsey says alex jones didn't violate their policy. up next, trump in ohio. can he pull off a win? why accept it from your allergy pills? flonase sensimist relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist. so chances are, you've seen us around the house. or... around the yard. on the shelf... or even... out in the fie