this is about donald trump. as most thing in donald trump, why has been about donald trump? this isn't. yeah. to answer your question, them about. all right, let me, let me go to your, your join. that good is that good? george trump is synonymous with america. america is synonymous with trump. that's an interesting proposition. what do you think, george? it's an absolute disaster. come on with you. any more? empirical evidence of that minute and the question, you know, it gets back to what mike was saying, washington about that he sucks the oxygen out of the room. this is again, this is the problem going back to 2015 is that there's no other republican with love, big enough to give them a fight. go back to the primary interest. they're calling people losers. the 5th, they're fighting and solving them. no one ever stood up to him. he stood there and he made mincemeat out of 15 opponents in the primaries of 2016 till now mitch mcconnell gets you know, winning his pants every time. we feel that trumps people are going to come after him until someone else can come out and say, h

and then trump's own lawyer says donald trump might be indicted. tim bryan, in terms of managing the story at this stage donald trump's own lawyer putting out there today that whatever happens this week, is not the end of the story. donald trump himself might be indicted. it seems like yet another instance of donald trump's lawyers who talk so much. >> that's the kind a lawyer you pay for. donald trump has a tendency to stiff his lawyers. he ends up with some accountants that he stormed over the years. we will know with this entails when the da files the indictment. i would find it hard to believe that an effort that's taken this much time, and the resources the manhattan da's office has put into this case. there is a very sophisticated group of people that all this only amounts to whether or not the apartments were accounting for on tax purposes. i also think obviously, the da's office is going to be strategic about the timing of indictment they file. and who they want to pressure as they try to make up the food chain in the trump organization. hi

and then donald trump's own lawyer says, and, of course, later donald trump might be indicted. tim o'brien, donald trump's lawyer putting out there that this is not the end of the story, donald trump might be indicted, seems to be another instance of donald trump's lawyer talks too much. >> and you get the kind of lawyers you pay for, and donald trump has a long history, lawrence, as you know, of stiffing his lawyers. he winds up with some of the counsel he's earned over the years. we will know what this entails when the d.a.'s office files the indictment. i would find it hard to believe that an effort that has taken this much time and the resources the manhattan d.a.'s office ha put into this case, there are lots of people working on it, amounts only to whether or not freebees and apartments are on the tax returns. that may not be the case, but i would doubt that. and i'm sure they'll be strategic about who they're going to indict as they try to move up the food chain in the trump organization. it's pretty remarkable that fischetti is being this declarative and this robust in

trump lost the election. they were deceived into believing the presidency had been stolen, their country was threatened. they had come to washington to fight for what they thought was right. >> they feel they're the heroic revolutionary courageous worry -- warriors saving democracy. >> they were wrong. it was all a lie. january 6th was insurrection, dec december guysed as patriotism fed by their members of congress, their television shows, their friends on social media. >> it should have been pre predi predictable. you know, we saw people who had been whipped up into believing an election was being stolen and then being told it would happen straight away. that's the perfect recipe for acts of violent extremism. >> that threat continues to this day driven by lies that threaten our democracy. how did millions believe a network so deep, so vast they would ignite an insurrection to final the answers we have to go into that sea of people. see through their eyes. >> i hate i lost so many friends and i hate my famil

then once trump was elected, they stuffed the courts full of trump judges. if you have any hope of trying to rebalance the courts now, they really have to work triple time to get it done. they waited four and a half months until the first biden confirmation. tick-freaking-tock, democrats. that's one takeaway. but the other part of the story here, you know, somebody has finally done right by judge julien neals. the republicans did leave him dangling, and that could have been the end of it. but president biden remembered he had been a good nominee. they didn't let the republicans have the last word in terms of the way they treated him. biden renominated him and they got him through. so there. late is better than never. they didn't forget him. and that's something. and that, of course, that same kind of small j justice was at work, of course, when president biden picked his attorney general, right? president obama, as you know, had nominated a judge named merrick garland to be a supreme court justice after antonin scalia died while he was still on the bench. me

just ask them to describe donald trump. ♪ - trump is my hero president. - trump is kind of a force. - aura came in the room before he did. - donald trump is our first rock star superhero president. - he's a very tall man. little bit shorter than yourself. very big man. uh, nice, big hands. - he's a man for all the people, i think. he didn't need this job whatsoever either. the white house is honestly like a downgrade from his penthouse suite and everything. - yeah, it feels like it's a downgrade for america too. - he's just a peaceful person in general, i think. - and he puts those protesters down like that. - yes. - which causes peace pretty quickly. - yeah. - he's got skin that is-- is about as thick as it gets and-- - don-- who does? - donald. donald trump. - donald trump is? - yeah, thick skin. he's-- - thick skin? he gets mad if a celebrity makes fun of him on twitter. - he's the real-life tony stark. they should call him president iron man. - well, tony stark gave a shit about science. - (laughs) uh... - of course, you can't be a true superhero without some tragic flaws. - somet

trump when he was in office. that judge ordered the justice department released a memo that he tried to keep secret in the trump years about potential criminal charges against president trump. how did merrick garland choose to deal with that miss behavior by the trump justice department? by officials and lawyers in the justice department under trump? how did he decide to deal with it? he decided he would fight the judges order and would try to keep that memo about potential charges against trump. he tried to keep that secret to just like william barr did during the trump years. even more recently than that, just in the past week we've learned disturbing details about justice department officials during the trump administration entertaining demand from the trump white house that they should start investigations into trump's weird pet causes including some of the cookie is, most bananas conspiracy theories about the 2020 election somehow being stolen from trump. the new york times reporting that the white house chi

was this an explicit request from president trump?a high-level what does all of this mean for the justice department going forward? she just published an article in which william barr denied knowing anything, saying he didn't recall getting briefed on the moves and she joins me now. betsy, there has been a lot of spinning from william barr and jeff sessions which suggests to me that at least understand this doesn't look great. >> you know you're dealing with a big mess when bar and session don't want to touch it. barr famously -- when it came to defending some of the most controversial moves that the trump white house and the trump doj made, that just about everyone else said we're encroaching on the justice department independence if barr doesn't wanted to defend something that the doj did, that means you have a problem. now, he was speaking about this issue of subpoena-ing to lawmakers records but he didn't speak more broadly was the rider of leaked probes. one thing that's important to remember when the question comes on whether or

and donald trump jr. accepted this without dispute in terms of the papers to be ready for arguments for the end of july. what are you hoping you will be able to learn if you get to that point and you can say here is my list of what i want. >> i mean it is a long list and we'll get to dario friscovery. we want to know what donald trump was saying and thinking and who was was in his ears and part of the decision making. we know he spoke to a number of congressman and senators that day and the violence and the deaths was happening at the capitol. we need to know that. given the republicans' refusal to engage with the january 6th commission, it seems all the more important that we have the ability to ask people questions and look at documents and figure out what was happening that day. >> phillip, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, erin. >>> next, george p. bush is about to make a major political announcement at this hour. he's the only bush cozying up to trump despite trump's attack on his fath

soldiers. >> there's a sea of nothing but red, white, and blue, patriots, trump. >> reporter: trump's true believers. >> i felt like he was a. >> announcer:ed by god. >> i don't think joe biden is president. >> reporter: new interviews. >> that's all i heard. >> reporter: new details. >> over ryder cup the capitol. >> i never dreamed he would ever do anything like that. >> reporter: new democrats. >> you call january 6th a peaceful protest? >> i do. >> reporter: and why it's not over. >> in fact, it is just getting started. >> reporter: tonight you can a cnn special report: saumt on democracy, the roots of trump's insurrection. ( the early morning started for many as a day of anticipation. they had come from across the country, tens of thousands, americans from all walks of life. led by a lying president and egged on by propaganda, they would converge on the united states capitol with a singular goal: do whatever it takes to prevent the peaceful transition of power in the greatest democracy on earth. president donald j. trump lost the election. they were deceived into believing the pr

but 2021 trump is actually worse. because it always gets worse with trump. we never find out there's some undemocratic order was less and democratic than we for smidgen. and that's what house judiciary chairman jerry nadler knows and fears. tonight, chairman nadler said quote, my concern at this hour is that the corruption may run deeper than has already been reported. end quote. because it always gets worse with trump. and as this inspector general investigation goes forward, there's a good chance that will learn about more heinous acts committed by trump and his administration. that's the thing about trump. you kind of figure that most of his democracy destroying efforts were done. and they were done out in the open. because so many of them were. apparently, many were carried out the kind close doors, because he knew and those around him knew, that they were wrong. so we need this investigation to learn more about the efforts to obtain the records of democrats in congress, and reporters. who we've learned over the last few weeks, we're also targeted in the

joe biden won, donald trump lost.can efforts to roll back voting rights from how people were able to vote in 2020 to make it harder in 2022 and beyond. one of the big areas of concern for texas republicans, a major growth here in harris county, so they're trying to roll back things like drop boxes, things like mail-in votings, things that helped democrats do very well here, even though donald trump and republicans still won easily in the statewise races, what's fascinating about this as it plays out, even a place like pennsylvania, one of the close ones, joe biden won pennsylvania, trump supporting republicans from pennsylvania have traveled to arizona, to get a peek at the so-called audit to see, maybe we should try that here. listen here, to al schmidt, a philadelphia commissioner who says, please, no. >> i hope every county across the commonwealth is watching this closely, and what some of our legislators are trying to bring our way, i don't know why you would want to repeat what's going on in arizona, anyplace acr

bill barr was the most popular person in the trump cabinet among the trump faithful. all those people who now believed the election was stolen. when i think is significant, how those words play with those people. if even bill barr -- even the guy that stood behind trump, and called the russia investigation effectively a witch hunt just like trump, did that guy took the time, looked into all this and says my god, there is nothing here. not just the statement, but into the details and saying, the ballots that you saw in the suitcase getting pulled out of the table in georgia, here's why that's a ridiculous thing. he knows the answers, he knows how to answer with people. the question, as well and have any impact? not much has had an impact on the loyal trump base. he is not mincing words. he's saying it is all bs. know >> and ashley parker, you've got the last word, is there any way to measure the level of what concern and trump will get a world of word is about to come down on the manhattan da. >> the way that you know measure that his twitter count was taken away, publ

he likes it when trump quotes him.at job and, boy, has he tried to earn it but earn it on trump's terms. point number two is about the work. wiseleberg is the eyes and ears of trump org. he knows everything. he's literally the, quote, only nonfamily member tasked to help don jr. and eric run the company during trump's one-term presidency. >> allen weisselberg managed the trust and the two boys, don jr. and eric, were the ones that were allegedly managing the company, but alan was the gatekeeper. now mind you, each and every day they would send information back to donald in the white house who, of course, was signing still checks on behalf of the trump organization. >> those checks ranged from the mundane to the salacious including money for a now convicted crime, the hush money in the 2016 campaign which included sham invoices which cohen and trump agreed would be set up by alan, the alan in question, allen weisselberg, the name on the now infamous recorded 2016 call. >> and i've spoken to allen wiseleberg about how to

we're talking about the trump organization being criminally indicted, different than trump university and simple penalty case. if they're convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, that is really quite an extreme thing. unlikely for some of the other things, lot of people around trump accused of things, trump pretends not to know him or michael cohen. can't do that about the trump organization. that is literally the organization that president trump built and his children run. so it is harder for him to run away from it. the other thing i would say, even smaller indictments couldn't undermine the trump organization financing, it is rumored the trump organization is leveraged with billions of dollars in debt. many times loan agreements say the loan can be called if the organization is indicted. that could put another squeeze on donald trump apart and beyond the law itself. >> that's a possibility and it would depend on individual banks if hands aren't forced. joan, final question to you big picture is more metaphysical. are you ready for that one? >> whoa, yeah. >> how as society do you thin

is trump standing in his way? yes. if trump runs again, he stands in his way. by teasing it, he is still standing in his way. he is standing in everyone's way. this is the dance of is trump in control with the republican -- of the republican party? it certainly looks that way. making targets out of folks like liz cheney and some other republicans that voted for his second impeachment. i don't know if he is the roadblock or the leader, however you want to coin that. he is the defective nominee until he says no. i think everyone is operating under that assumption. host: he is fundraising in new hampshire for the new hampshire republican party. what is his record as a fundraiser? tom: he became very good at fundraising. this is something i explored in the book and it helped me understand him and the primaries -- the shadows in the primary presidential campaigns, all the major candidates look good. if you rewind back to november of 2008 when john boehner, the house majority leader pulls him into leadership, and one things pence is tasked with is raising money for t

three years before trump lost the 2020 election. this is just who donald trump is. this is who donald trump has always been, a man unmoored by morality, principle and any sense of fair play, a man only looking out for himself. so now you know what i mean. if you're not paying close attention you might think we're talking about 2019 trump, but 2021 trump is actually worse because it always gets worse with trump. we never find out that some undemocratic order was less undemocratic than we first imagined. and that's what house judiciary chairman jerry nadler knows and fears. tonight chairman nadler said, quote, my concern at this hour is that the corruption may run deeper than has already been reported, end quote. because it always gets worse with trump. and as this inspector general investigation goes forward, there's a good chance that we'll learn about more heinous acts committed by trump and his administration. that's the thing about trump. you kind of figure that most of his democracy destroying efforts were done and they were done out in the open because so many

we also are aware that barr never briefed trump on any of these leak probes, though of course trump frequently brought up those leaks. attorney general barr had suspicions about leaks and believed the doj's credibility was at stake if it couldn't show all those leaks have been investigated. >> let's bring in jim acosta and dana bash and preet bharara. preet, all of this obviously raises very serious questions about bill barr's involvement in all of this, his integrity. what's your reaction? >> a few reactions. there is a great gulf between what was reported in the "new york times" very specifically, as we just heard, about bill barr's involvement, about his placement of a prosecutor from new jersey in washington to oversee the leak investigation, the fact that career prosecutors, according to the reporting, thought there was nothing there to justify a prosecution. he pressed on and wanted to continue the investigation. that's very much at odds with what he just said to politico in terms of not having any knowledge of this. it's also a peculiar statement because he gave it. it shows, among othe

>> this is part of the attack on truth by the trump administration and trump's gop. science is quintessentially about a search for the truth. and they wish to try to rewrite this portion of history because hundreds of thousands of people died under trump's incompetent watch. all of the mixed messaging on wearing masks, all of the dysfunction around producing the tests and rolling out the tests, the whole kind of trumpian world view that if you don't test people and they don't find a virus therefore the virus doesn't exist. look, fauci is speaking out about that, about the mistakes we made and how costly they were. so no wonder they're going after fauci. yes, they do want to rewrite history and they want to make the pandemic response some kind of glorious success when we had among the worst responses in the world. part of it is trying to resurrect donald trump, trying to help a campaign in 2024. and whitewash his record. they've done this, or tried, in so many other areas. they're trying on the insurrection, to make it a normal tourist day. and they're trying to rewri

got trump's taxes.iminal case, and prosecutors met with trump's former fixer, michael cohen, at least eight times. i mean, i bet they got everything they needed the first time, and then just kept bringing him back for the zingers. >> i think donald trump is going to flip on all of them what do you think about that including his children so he's going to turn on his accountant, and point the finger he's going to say don jr. handled that ivanka handled that. melania. don't take me, take melania. >> seth: man, michael cohen is just a totally different guy now. loose, confident, laughing it up, having fun he used to be the terrifying mob-style bag man, and now he's coming off like a shipwrecked ray romano "trump would say, 'fix this for me i can't. i got a tee time.' "raymond." [ laughter ] you can't write the brad garrett impression in, baze. i also totally believe that trump would throw his family under the bus. you think he named his eldest son after himself for sentimental reasons? he did it so there wo

like trump steaks, trump mortgage and of course trump university.always the more serious question of whether this ex-president should be spending so much time blogging. as rick ross once said, a real boss makes sure we're going to eat. forget a blog, dog, because one day we're gonna meet. well, donald trump rose to some of his recent prominence with all of his virtual online nonface to face spats on twitter where he of course has now been banned and when he tried to re-up the whole operation, he found his blog was crashing so badly he had to just quit. well, "the beat" viewers who lived through these 29 days together, i will say quoting a beat viewer, at least we will always have mar-a-blogo. june 2021, rip. >>> up ahead on "the beat," i promise we turn it into something more serious and important. the u.s. surgeon general is here with us next. s here with us next cranky-pated: a bad mood related to a sluggish gut. miralax is different. it works naturally with the water in your body to unblock your gut. free your gut, and your mood will follow. you'

the mounting stories from the trump white house add to the evidence against donald trump. they raise questions about whether the man tweeting "stop the steal" when he was allowed to tweet, questioning whether he was engaging in enough concrete actions with the requisite mental intent to cross the legal line of trying to steal votes himself. i'm joined now tonight on this story by cornell, the former msnbc analyst, and joan walsh from the nation magazine. i put it that way, joan, because this is serious stuff that you can't just walk away from if you think it was that bad. if you don't and evidence the cuts the other way, and it was sore loser-dom and being a really nasty person but not a criminal, fine. when you look at the mounting evidence, particularly what we're seeing in the man we were told never sends emails, what do you see? >> oh, i see a lot and i see a lot that we have to get to the bottom of. this is not just an isolated phone call with the georgia secretary of state. this is a multipronged assault. we've got mark meadows' chief of staff going to bat, embarrass

and the trump organization were liable for trump university's misdeeds. so he doesn't always swim off. it's just that no one has really come at him this hard that often. as for cohen being the only one to turn, well, he's the only one or one of the only ones who's actually been indicted in trump's inner circle. when things are actually hitting you and you're actually really seeing the prospect of being convicted of a crime, people's tune can change. so i think we're way too early to say that he's going to turn or not turn. i think once he's indicted, we could see a very different situation arise. >> if he's indicted -- >> if he's indicted. if weisselberg is indicted, we could see a very different story. >> yeah. well, i'm going to let michael respond to you, because the orator that he is i'm sure he has rebuttal cooking. but weisselberg is someone that you dealt with in this manner. i'm reading here and he oversaw the spending decisions at trump u., the online program and the deposition in the case speaks to that. there are experts here who say money man

trump: to go thanks.etting gowns and masks and all the different equipment that we are building equipment complex equipment, the most complex. getting it out to the states because the coverage was on the states. and i handed her coverage pray there is nothing. we had practically nothing in this country and now it has been rebuilt. we did a great job. we did very little credit for doing the great job we did. and as you know, is a federalist, it shouldn't be up to the governor. some governors were fantastic. i could write a great book. some were less than fantastic. and some were absolutely terrible. ron did a great job, texas did a great job, so many -- it's interesting, they did a really great job. the most lockdown state and the whole country is michigan and michigan is the worst in the country. >> sean: how did you get warp speed? what was the mandate that pushed these companies to do something that had never been done before? >> mr. trump: i was told by dr. fauci and by many people the quickest you're

donald trump is not going away.mpism and corruption manifests itself and others in government right now. >> elle? >> i don't know why you don't come into the justice department on day one and your first order is everything stops. everything that you were doing for that corrupt man stops now, and we're going to rebuild it from the ground up. this investigation is good. that investigation was clearly corrupt. you are fired. you, maybe you can stay. you, get out and go directly to jail. do not pass go. do not collect $200. i don't know why that's not happening, except i do and that's exactly what michelle said. it is because merrick garland is an institutionist. he wants things to work the way they are supposed to work. he was not picked to come in fire breathing and clean house and rip the staff of trump off of our country. >> you are saying that new york times readers say sometimes, that we say sometimes on "the beat," what michelle said. right? if you take what michelle said, which i think is exactly the diagnosis,

is there any distinction between donald trump and the trump organization. >> donald trump and the trump organization is one of the same. there is no difference. >> weisselberg flips on trump. >> yes. >> no hesitation at all with your answer there. >> no hesitation whatsoever. is this what it is all about? if there is something to turn on trump, that's what happens. >> that's right, erin, there is overwhelming evidence. this is the classic play book. it is not general. they squeeze people around weisselberg including mcconney to get to weisselberg, his family members and weisselberg to get to trump. he's a tour guy through these finances of donald trump. it is a reminder to weisselberg, get your deal while you can. they are working their way of the food chain and remember donald trump is a notorious micro-manager. he signs the checks and he stays on top of everything. there is mounting criminal herald. is donald trump going to face justice? it looks more and more like he just might. >> jeffery mcconney, 35 years with trump with weisselberg during this entire time, a former employee told

what do you want to hear from trump? >> i want to hear trump say i'm going to fix it. i'm going back in and i'm going to fix it. >> trump is going to the border, who gets it right? >> trump, of course. >> you are out here today. why are you out here? >> i love trump and i used to be a democrat actually until 2009 and i woke up. >> sean: here with more, fox news contributor david webb. the case speaks for itself. what's interesting to me, i would look at three issues. number one, the voter integrity issues, the things i always talk about, voter i.d., voter verification, chain of custody, partisan observers observed, updated voter rolls and then i would argue as the president did in his speech, prosecute the case against new green deal socialism and what the america first make america great again agenda is all about and we get not only the house and play but we've got important senate races including ohio, florida, georgia, north and south carolina, new hampshire, wisconsin, arizona, a lot of big races. >> there's a lot out there and you talk about the tale of the tape.

you must hate trump. you must hate trump. end quote.trol himself but he seemed angrier than he had ever seen him, his face was read. as charlie sykes writes, don't cry for bill barr, america. quote, for barr, as with mike pence, there was a line that even the most devoted towedies were not willing to cross. on one level, it is helpful. on another it is hard not to be cynical about the amount of denial, delusion and self-loathing that went into their sycophancy. they knew what they were doing and what trump was, and yet they worked to empower him until they could not anymore. two of trump's most serious and loyal aides speaking out today is where we begin with some of our favorite reporters and friends. from "the washington post", senior washington correspondent and msnbc political analyst phil rutger is here. his new book is called "i alone can fix it" and it comes out july 20th. matt miller, former chief spokesman tore the doj and msnbc justice and security analyst. olivia troye is here, former top aide to former vice president mike pe

they wanted more trump. isn't the whole thing trump's fault? our media echo system has become so focused on blaming trump and some republican lawmakers that we've lost sight of the massive failures here. such as as the new york times noted, the fbi memo the day before, january 5th, warning of people traveling to washington for war, never made its way to top law enforcement officials, such as as the washington post noted, a series of omissions and miscommunications by the capitol police that kept vital information from reaching frontline officers. omissions? i'm so tired of hearing that this agency or that police department had the intel ant didn't notify other agencies about the threats. this is sheer incompetence. the assault on our democracy could have been prevented. i'm not saying the former president's role shouldn't be part of the scrutiny. if national guard troops were called out before the attack, not afterward, the violent that seared into our collective memory could have been avoided. i'm howard kurtz and this is media buzz. ♪ howie:

was saying, and what trump wanted. trump was ranting and raving in private about how the powers of the justice department should be used to go after the press, to go after his rivals. and he was open about that. you know, he's not going to, you know, question the authenticity of that reporting. i mean, this is something that he really, really wanted. and he was exerting enormous pressure on the department when this happened. >> it is -- but, it is one thing to know that president trump was, as you say, demanding that the justice department be used as a political tool against his enemies, that they use their immense power, investigative power and otherwise, to punish and investigate his enemies at his whim. it's up with thing to know that about him. it's another thing to know that the justice department was doing this stuff. that this did not land on deaf ears. that under two different trump attorneys general, stuff like this happened. of the things that i was sort of audibly gasped when i got to the end of your article

and president trump. okay, the -- i don't know of any trump that got paid a penny from any oligarch in russia, but i do know a guy by the name of hunter, with no experience, that got three and a half million dollars from a russian oligarch. the former first lady of moscow. how is it the media can get it all upside down and backwards? you've got to help me out with that. >> yeah, the president's son gets paid by russian oligarch, the wife, and you have joe biden taking off sanctions at approving a pipeline. i'm old enough to remember when the press called that collusion. but it is a whole different set of rules for this guy. you ask the right question, sean come in your monologue: what did we gain -- what did america gai? nothing from the spirit that is on top of the sanctions and the pipeline, contrast this with mr. reagan, who said "mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall, with mr. trump, who said america first all the time, and joe biden, what can we do about climate change, what can we do, what do we to giv

you must hate trump. you must hate trump. tonight there is movement on creating a special committee to investigate the riot that was set off by trump's falsehoods. speaker pelosi has introduced a bill needed to establish a select committee with subpoena power. it will give her the ability to appoint the chairperson and 13 members, five of them after consultation with minority leader mccarthy. the measure is expected to go to the house floor on wednesday on the other side of the capital. senate republicans are warning democrats not to try to pass the bipartisan infrastructure bill with a larger measure that would pay for social programs. this weekend the president had to walk back his statement saying he would only sign both bills together. mcconnell made sure that schumer and pelosi follow his lead. >> i appreciate the president saying that he's willing to deal with infrastructure separately, but he doesn't control the congress. and the speaker and the majority leader of the senate, because none of the republicans, during the

i don't know who did a poll that is trump supporters. >> we want trump! we want trump!e january 6, and we are joined by former acting solicitor general. neil, this was a criminal act perpetuated by conspiracy theory. so the fact that it's greeted with new conspiracy theorys to try to erase it is not like they're being embraced at such a high level. your thoughts on that. >> kudos to you and your whole team of the incredible presentation of facts and you're absolutely right. there's been a concerted effort on the part of the republican party to erase facts and there are leaders like senator thune. this is an armed assault on our nation's capitol, people died on sacred ground and the republican strategy is to try and forget. i mean, the january 6th mob is the only thing donald trump has ever made that he won't stick his name on in giant gold letters and sadly for him, i think that's the thing he'll be most remembered for because we can't let him forget and it's jaw-dropping to me that the self-proclaimed party of law and order, these republicans are saying that we -- sayi

it's not trump himself.ot okay with the justice department operating under trump and be not okay with it trying to right itself and trying to be the objective presence in government that it is supposed to be. >> and it's not just the justice department. it's donald trump. right? and it's people -- many people in the public just feel that donald trump wasn't held accountable for his actions. right? over the course of several years. two impeachments, insurrection, all of the above. and i think that's getting lumped into this decision here. people regarding this as there you go again. you're failing to hold donald trump accountable, but this is a bigger decision than just one man and one pretty -- president who engaged in some pretty reprehensible conduct but it's bigger than him. >> we're told the white house had no knowledge of what the justice department is doing here. does show the separation and how this department will behave going forward. >>> one other bit of news is that federal investigators have appa

stand up to trump. other republicans who want to be on the ballot next year or maybe run in 2024 are not just afraid of trump but trump voters who continue to believe the wild stuff he says. >> in the reverse order. they are afraid of the voters. we've seen the former president's popularity has diminished. he took a big hit this week when his new form platform did not take off so they had to rescind. >> called a blog. >> it is. like the '90s. look, for mike pence what he said last night a lot of thinking went into what his speech would be. in trump world that was saying a lot. what is president trump going to say tomorrow night in north carolina about this? he could go after mike pence in ways we haven't heard him do publicly. if he chooses not to that will be interesting as well. if anyone else was saying this he would go right after them. john, you are absolutely right. if the former president decides to run again mike pence will not be a factor. it is an open question whether he will be anyway. by do

president trump chad wolf, former acting secretary of homeland security in the trump administration.d morning and thanks for being on. >> thanks for having me, hallie. >> a lot to get into, a lot on the border and i'd be remiss if i didn't start with the news in the last 20 minutes the potential for the former president's business, for the trump organization to be charged we expect tomorrow by the manhattan district attorney's office. your reaction? >> i don't know figure about that, haven't been following that case, focused on homeland security issues so i'm watching the reporting on your show as many of your viewers will recall. >> as you talk about your capacity as you're working on homeland security issues you are not at the border appearing in any official capacity, neither is the former president. what is it that you're hoping to accomplish down there other than the pop ticks talking about a campaign issue i know republicans are hoping to capitalize on. >> for me, i can't speak for former president trump or others this is drawing attention to the impact on border communities an

the candidates are defining themselves as like 100% pro trump, 80% pro trump.ay from 100%, but you can be sure the democrats are going to remind everyone that chris christie was involved in debate preparation. the poor guy got covid because he was indulging in the same craziness of not wearing masks in public events that the president was displaying. so, you know, parties out of power always try to define themselves in new ways, and we'll see how christie does with his book. >> we'll see if this has anything to do, too, with his own bid perhaps 2024. >>> lastly, so, a federal court dismissed a case that was brought by the ftc against facebook. this is a really big deal. >> it's a really big deal. the most important way you can tell it's a big deal is facebook's stock which is high to start with, went up 5% after the case was dismissed. the question is, under anti-trust law, can you limit the power, the scope, the size of facebook and all the other big tech companies, amazon, microsoft, apple? and this court said no. it's only a federal district court. it's the

were investigating trump more than two years. grand jury subpoena for the former president returned august 2019, grand jury and the prosecutor just so you know the facts which successfully fought up in the 2020 election. during that time, suggesting insurance, tax, all focuses of his probe. in other words, they are on a witch hunt. washington post described the pope as extensive saying it's focusing on trump's business career before he ran for president and you notice the leaks from the prosecutor's office. then the daily mail, what is going on? a long list of things in the mail from the prosecution's perspective. jennifer, the former daughter-in-law of the president chief operating officer of the trump organization, as a former because she divorced the cfos son, she's all over the place talking about how it's got to be corrupt and so forth and so on. apparently she's being interviewed by her ex husband, managed skating rings for the trump organization and paid for his grandkids pricey private school. big deal. former trump organ

for trump to cheat on his taxes.ged about it saying he was smart. trump and his family started with his father fred trump, a decade's long history of evaing income taxes and gifted estate taxes and getting away with it. trmpb trmp is accused of concealing tens of millions from the government he'd go on to lead. joining me is barbara mcquaid and richard sinarelli. the trump lawyer is trying to downplay charges related to tax evasion on gifts and benefits. is that accurate to say those are not super significant legally speaking? >> i would take with a grain of salt any information from a defense attorney. second of all, tax evasion is very serious and i have a feeling we're talking about many years of tax evasion, fringe benefits and bonuses probably totalling millions of dollars. in and of itself it's serious and it could result in significant penalties, financial and also incarceration. it is something to be taken seriously. i know ron. i think he's to be his best to play the media situation for his client, probably

>> well, i think the difference between trump rallies now and trump rallies before is that we have, forake up every single morning wondering what the tweet was overnight or in the middle of the night. we don't worry that he's going to tweet us into an international crisis. we don't worry that he's telling us to inject bleach during a pandemic and for the last six months we have, gotten a little distance from our trauma, and the trump era, and i think with that clarity and lens where we can see what it looks like to have a competent, administration at least in terms and most importantly in terms of vaccine distribution and the pandemic and the immediate crisis. i think that that contrast will be beneficial to democrats as they try to craft a message going into the 2022 midterms. i think the best message for democrats is one in which he focused on the things that they're doing with the american people. so i think there's a good argument to say get rid of that filibuster so you can actually do things for the american people. >> that's another discussion, for sure. >> let me ask you about t

so mcconney first came to the attention of trump investigators when they were looking at trump's hush money. trump didn't just funnel money sort of through his organization, but some of that money also went out to other people politically. so how far do you think this will go? do you think the prosecutors are narrowing down on the trump organization now, or do you think that might be bleeding into, who knows, the nra, the republican party, other pacs and organizations that may have been dipping their beaks into what's happening? >> it's a gray web. but the massive web we have seen donald trump do this. we saw him do this when he was president. he gives mitch mcconnell's wife a job in the cabinet. he makes sure he infiltrates your entire life and family. this is why we see people either in jail, going to jail or try to stay out of going to jail who have all surrounded donald trump. what makes it so interesting in the new york context is we have a democratic primary june 22nd for the da of manhattan, so this is a cy vance operation for now, but this is a conversation that's been somewha