nick watt for us in los angeles. nick, thank you. >>> well, president biden also signed executive orders that require all government employees and federal contractors to be vaccinated and this one has no option of being regularly tested to opt out of that. cnn chief white house correspondent kaitlan collins is with me now. kaitlan, the white house had to expect that there would be these legal challenges, these challenges from republicans, but they expect they still will be able to enforce these new mandates, i expect. >> reporter: yeah, the president, you saw that defiant response that he had this morning when he was asked about these republican threats to defy his new mandates and his new proposals that he laid out yesterday. and we should note there are two different things happening here, because one is this executive order that the president signed yesterday. that is a vaccine mandate for federal employees and contractors who do business with the federal government and like you said, there is no longer an option to test out of that. you must be vaccinated if you want to work for the federal government and they have about 75 days or so to comply with that since yesterday when the president signed that executive order. the other thing here is this rule that is still being crafted by the department of labor that is going to require those private companies with 100 or more employees to either vaccinate their entire workforce or of course have them get tested once a week at a minimum, according to this new rule, but this rule hasn't actually been unveiled yet. it is still being drafted at the department of labor. it's not entirely clear still when this is going to go into effect but there will be repercussions for those businesses that don't comply with this and they are incredibly expensive repercussions. this is what the president's coronavirus advisor told reporters earlier about what that could look like. >> a workplace refuses to follow the standard, the osha fines can be quite significant, enforcement actions include fines up to $13,600 per violation. >> reporter: so that's $14,000, almost, per violation which would be per employee that is not vaccinated, and so, victor, we're waiting to see the details of this, though, when it goes into effect, is it the company that has to pick up the tab for the testing or is it the unvaccinated employee? those are all decisions these companies are going to have to make going forward, including the infrastructure simply to just be able to tell who is vaccinated and who is not. and how do you carry out that testing on a weekly basis? but clearly, this is the avenue the white house feels legally they can pursue to try to encourage these private companies to get their workforce vaccinated. >> kaitlan, let me go into some of the pushback we've seen from some of these republican governors. i want to highlight, specifically, a tweet from texas governor greg abbott in which he said that, i issued an executive order protecting texans' right to choose whether they get the covid vaccine and added it to the special session agenda. same governor who just signed the controversial heartbeat bill into law. the preservation here of the right to choose on vaccines but clearly not on all health decisions. >> reporter: yeah, i think that was an intentional choice of language by governor abbott there when he was talking about this, and that is the view that you're seeing republican governors approach this with. the pushback has been from nearly so many republican governors. it's not just in texas or in florida who, of course, were two of the governors that the president singled out yesterday in his remarks without actually naming them. he definitely made clear he was talking about governor desantis and governor abbott, but you are seeing those threats come from other governors as well who have not been embroiled in the same kind of back and forth with the administration over that new abortion law like texas has in the last several days but alabama as well, south carolina, nebraska, several of these governors are pushing back on this. and so, that is going to be a big question here going forward is how they actually -- how they handle this, what is the response and mhow do they go bak and forth with these republican governors over whether ultimately they're successful with these lawsuits. it's not clear if those lawsuits can go into effect until the rule has been unveiled by the department of labor. >> kaitlan, thank you very much. >>> lawrence, professor another georgetown university and author of "global health security," we also have dr. jonathan reiner, cnn medical analyst, professor at george washington university. gentlemen, welcome, and professor, let me start with you and these threats to challenge this in the courts. the basic legal authority outline it for us, the white house obviously believes they have it and most legal experts i've heard from believe he has it too. >> yeah, i think president biden is on rock solid legal ground as the head -- as the chief executive of the entire federal workforce, just like any employer, he can require federal workers and contractors to abide by safety standards. he can also reach deep into the private sector beyond the federal government as he's doing because he's got specific authorization from congress to do it. the occupational health and safety act was passed in 1970, specifically to give the president the power through the department of labor to set health and safety standards, and clearly getting a vaccine is necessary to protect the health and safety of workers, every bit as much as preventing a workplace injury. and then finally, he's requiring it in healthcare settings and he's using medicaid and medicare dollars. states have a choice. they can either accept the mandate to ensure that all healthcare facilities are vaccinated as they should be or they cannot accept those federal dollars. >> doctor reiner, we are hearing these claims of overreach from some opponents of the president, but there are elements that the president did not use. i want you to listen here to -- this is his chief medical advisor, dr. anthony fauci on what he would have referred, and then we'll talk. >> there are some people who really don't want to get vaccinated but they don't want to lose their job. you got to give them an off lane, and the off lane is if you get tested frequently enough, and find out you're positive, you won't come to work and infect other people. so, it really is somewhat of a compromise there. myself, i would make it just vaccinate or not but he was trying to be moderate in what his pronouncement was. >> so, that's from dr. fauci. you get vaccinated or you don't, no opt-out. what do you think? >> oh, i agree with dr. fauci. >> yeah. >> look, i like the whole tenor of the president's speech last night. but i think he should have gone further. i think there should be no testing opt-out. a test only tells you that you're infected. a vaccine prevents you from getting infected and that's what we should be doing all around the country, preventing people from getting infected. i wanted to see the president issue a no fly order for unvaccinated americans. i think if the president had said that this holiday season, you will not be able to fly if you are not fully vaccinated, you would see a massive increase in vaccination. other countries are doing that. because now we're stressing vaccine mandates around the country, i think the u.s. should have a so-called green pass or a digital way of verifying vaccine status. i wanted to see free testing for everyone. now, the president's plan does increase funding for testing and making him available to schools and places like that, but i think all rapid testing in this country should be free. you should be able to go to your local post office, pick up a handful of tests to bring home. i want parents to be able, for instance, to test their kids if the kid doesn't feel well at home before they send them to school. and i think we should invoke the defense production act to produce n95 masks for the public and again, make those free and freely available. so, i think the president's speech was probably a bit overdue. i liked the tenor of it but i would like it to go further. >> why not go that far? i mean, the president has, i'm sure, a staff of medical advisors in addition to dr. fauci who have offered these. is it simply political, and is it time to put that politics aside? >> i think he's left -- >> dr. reiner. >> i think he's left a bullet or two in the gun. i think he has one or two more things he can do to further convince those who are resistant now. mind you, 75% of adults have chosen to get vaccinated. and this pandemic is being propagated by the minority, 25%, and all the cajoling and the reasoning in the world isn't going to make a giant dent in that. >> yeah. >> but, by really putting people's jobs at risk and their travel freedom at risk, more people will get vaccinated. >> yeah, dr. reiner, you make a good point there. this is not one half of the one versus the other half of the country. this is a small minority that is holding out on these vaccines, and professor, let me come to you. one more thing that stood out to me in this pushback we're seeing from republicans, again in texas, this from the spokeswoman for texas governor greg abbott, the federal government needs to stop trying to run private businesses. texans and americans alike have learned and mastered the safe practices to protect themselves and their loved ones from covid and do not need the government to tell them row to do so. this from the same office that has been banning mandates for these businesses and school districts. if you believe that these businesses can navigate this themselves and does not need government interference, then why is the state house doing it? >> yeah. you know, i tweeted about that. it's pure hypocrisy, what governor abbott said. he says, you know, businesses should make -- have the freedom to make their own decisions, and yet there are a lot of texas businesses that actually want to require masking and vaccination, and the governor's not letting them do it. so, you literally can't have it both ways. i just wanted to comment on some of the things that jonathan said. i've always been quite a supporter of all of those things. but just two things to bear in mind. first, what joe biden has done is audacious, transformational, and unprecedented in its sheer scope. and so, i think we just need to give them a little credit here for doing, you know, doing a really hard political lift. the other thing that's important is just our tone. i'm absolutely in favor of requiring vaccines and masking, including on airlines, and i was one of the first ones that called for it a long, long time ago, actually, in a "washington post" op-ed. but we don't want to sound like we're scolding and lecturing and being punitive. we just have to, you know, a lot of people are good people. they're not being vaccinated. they're good people. and we want to nudge them toward vaccination, and i do think that if our goal is to vaccinate everyone, then the norm should be, you get a jab if you want to go to work, if you want to learn, if you want to go to recreate or a theater or if you get on an airplane. >> well, professor, it appears that the administration believes that the time for nudging and cajoling and here's a hundred dollar gift card, here's a lottery ticket, that time is over. they're being more forceful now. but we're going to have a conversation about the tone of the remarks from the president a little later in the hour. professor lawrence gostin and dr. jonathan reiner, thank you both. >> thank you. >>> all right, 20 years since the horrific attacks, the nation pauses to reflect on september 11th. while also facing new warnings about the threat of terrorism right here in the u.s. ♪ ♪ life is full of surprises when you least expect it. 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is there one on the ability to resurge quickly or to attack here in the u.s.? >> well, it's a great question, victor, and you know, just listening to your last report, i was, 20 years ago today, getting on air force one with president bush on the way down to florida where, of course, he was during the attacks, and you know the intelligence reports he got that morning didn't indicate anything imminent, although there had been years and years of warnings about bin laden and al qaeda. and today, we're sort of in the same situation. we know that al qaeda is a diminished force, that they're spread out. i think they might be able to strike the united states at some point in the future, not right away, and perhaps certainly not, we would hope, with the force they were able to 20 years ago. but that attack may not come from afghanistan. and i think that was a key part of the president's thinking, that, you know, just because the last one came from afghanistan, doesn't mean that's the center of the foreign terror we need to worry about. and then, of course, as you heard from senator mayorkas, there's the whole domestic question, which is a different kind of threat. >> yeah. before we come domestically, a lot of people for the first time heard isis-k as we watched the withdrawal from afghanistan over the last couple of weeks. their capabilities, what do we know about as they are growing? >> well, they are certainly a threat inside afghanistan, and they certainly had a great regional effect a few years ago. whether they would have much of an ability to reach beyond their borders to us seems, again, more doubtful. you know, a lot's happened in those 20 years, and we're -- we've built up a lot more protections and a lot more resilience. that doesn't mean you couldn't get hit by another terror attack, but remember, in the days after the 9/11 attack, 20 years ago, we all thought a second wave was coming. and the astounding thing is we've been 20 years without another major attack. i don't know that we'll be able to hold on to that record, but that's a pretty significant accomplishment that i think nobody would have bet on 20 years ago. >> yeah. and, you know, the entire department of homeland security with close to, what a quarter million employees now, created in the wake of 9/11, a large part of what they focus on as we heard from the secretary, domestic, some of it racially motivated, far right wing as well. there's also the cybersecurity, the ransomware, the technology has afforded some nefarious actors. has the government -- has the infrastructure caught up to deal with those new threats? >> i don't think it has. i mean, clearly, we are not on top of the cyber problem. ransomware has gone wild this year. doesn't get the kind of publicity that an attack that costs lives like the attack on 9/11 did, but the fact of the matter is that the cyberattackers who have a much greater ability to get inside u.s. infrastructure now than they did 20 years ago are a vastly bigger threat than they were, and we have not yet figured out how to go protect against that. and i think one of the biggest risks as we celebrate this very solemn moment, 20-year anniversary, is that we're thinking about the last terror attacks and the type that we faced rather than the next one and the paradox of this is, you always ramp up after it becomes evident how vulnerable you are. and i'm not sure we're ramped up for the right kind of attacks here. >> important alert. david sanger, always good to have you. thank you. >>> david mentioned there that on this day, he was headed down to florida with the president. well, we revisit the florida classroom where president george bush got word of the second plane hitting the world trade center. i speak exclusively with the students, now in their late 20s, and their teacher in that classroom. the front row to history, the 9/11 classroom, tomorrow night at 7:00 eastern. >>> and then, join jake tapper, robert de niro, leonardo decap rio and musical guests for a special tribute to the families of september 11th. 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>> more than 300 law enforcement officers from around the country that are a part of what are called fusion centers, which is basically a combined group of law enforcement professionals in different regions of the country whose responsibility it is to communicate with each other, to hold off any type of potential threat, and they were briefed by the director of homeland security for the washington, d.c., government who said that there had -- received an increased chatter about the potential of violence that could occur around this stop the steal rally that was basically the prelude to the insurrection that took place here on january 6th and what's so alarming about this conference call and then subsequent email that detailed what went on in this conference call is that it happened just two days before the rally and in the days and weeks after all this took place, many of these different senate committees, this testimony that we've heard, that runs completely counter to what many of these law enforcement officials have said, that the intelligence surrounding what could happen here on january 6th lacked a degree of cohesion, that even though they were concerned about a possible threat, they never thought that it would be organized to what exactly happened here on january 6th. this email and conference call at least gives some indication that there was a real concern about this happening, so it begs the question, victor, why wasn't there more put in place to prevent this kind of mass scale incident that turned out happening here on january 6th? >> yeah, possible mass casualty event sounds pretty clear. of course that will be investigated by this committee that's now looking into 1/6 and we know they sent out this request to the telecom companies, social media companies, jessica, and they received -- this committee's received a lot of documents. what do we know about them? >> the committee's being vague, victor, but the deadline was last night. the committee now saying they have received thousands of pages in response. and that they're actively engaged in keeping this flow of information going. it really was a range of requests from the committee very wide-ranging. there were really three sets of demands, first an array of government agencies were asked, that includes fbi, dhs, doj, crucially the national archives which holds the white house records from the trump administration and then there were those demands to telecom and social media companies and what we've heard back so far from the actual agencies is that they're saying, really, only they're working to fulfill the requests. they've handed some over. the tech companies, many aren't responding, but saying that they are cooperating without providing any details. the national archives, though, it could be key. that's the committee called for them to hand over call logs and schedules from trump's family members on january 6th, and some of his key advisors like the former chief of staff, mark meadows, white house counsel pat cipollone. that's unclear if the white house could assert executive privilege to avoid this precedent if they did hand over the records. maybe even trump or his team could fight this in court. regardless, a lot of this could be fought in court whether it's the government agencies or social media or telecom companies, we could expect a broad legal fight here. >> jessica schneider, ryan nobles, thank you. >>> president biden says his patience is wearing thin when it comes to the unvaccinated and their role in the pandemic. and according to new cnn poll numbers, he's not alone. how americans are rating the state of the country. that's next. liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need. how much money can liberty mutual save you? 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>> yeah, victor, well, i think you make a really great point, which is that this administration has watched crisis after crisis hit the american people, and we are facing a crisis that's really unprecedented, at least for, you know, modern history, and so the fatigue is very real. but for me, what stands out is that these numbers are still very partisan, so democrats are still broadly very supportive of president biden and what he has been able to do. the lofty promises and goals that he set and the steps that have been taken towards them. but we're seeing that independents are really that group that you're seeing an increase in, in disapproval, and i think that makes sense when you consider that, you know, we're seeing more issues where the white house and the biden administration is being expected to take a stand. everything from the texas abortion law to voting rights, and so i think that folks who fall along those partisan lines are going to react in that way in terms of negativity. >> now, you point out the partisan nature of some of the numbers, but let's look between the parties here at these independents. the number of those, april, 43%, disapproved of the president's job performance. that's now up 11% to 54% now in september. that's not partisan here. this has to be troubling for the white house. >> exactly. so, i mean, you know, issues like abortion and voting rights, those are really divisive, right, but when you talk about things like the economy, that affects everyone. that's not necessarily a red and blue issue or the reality of covid and whether people are -- whether people will be able to recover or not. and so, i think it's really hard to think about recovery and moving forward when you don't know what the future holds, and i think even looking at these numbers, although people are pessimistic, we have to understand that everything is interconnected, right? so, there may be concerns and criticism about the biden administration with the economy, but the economy can't move forward if people can't make plans. if they're afraid to open businesses. if they can't travel. if they don't know when they're going back to the office. and so, i think all of these issues are very much interconnected, and that's why you are seeing that pessimism come through across the board with, you know, his approval ratings dropping even amongst some democrats. and so this shows why september is such a huge month for getting things done. it's really a now or never situation. >> let's talk about chris christie, i wanted to get this in before we go, delivered this speech yesterday, sounds like clearly he's looking toward 2024, literally under a banner that says, a time for choosing. here's a portion of his remarks. >> no man, no woman, no matter what office they've held or wealth they've acquired are worthy of blind faith or obedience. that's not who i am. and that's not who we are as republicans. no matter who is demanding that we tie our future to a pile of lies. see, we deserve much better than to be misled by those trying to acquire or hold on to power. >> this is like one of those social media challenges. tell me you're talking about donald trump without telling me you're talking about donald trump. i mean, there have been people who have clearly named him. i'm thinking mitt romney. and have been pummelled by the former president's base. what's the audience for this? what's the potency of something like this? >> well, victor, i'm laughing because i'm thinking of my girl, summer walker, say my name, right, destiny's child, say my name, very clear whose name he is not saying. and i think that speaks to how chris christie is also trying to walk the line. he wants to frame himself as this reasonable republican, one who is downing the conspiracy theories and he's very ethical and bringing the republican party back to its principles but that ship has sailed. and he's speaking way too late on the issue because the reality is the influence does lie with the pushers of the conspiracy theories and those who have chosen to elevate lies over truth. and so, it feels like a little bit too little too late. >> natasha alford, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >>> all right, another passenger jet took off from kabul this morning. what we know about who was on board and where they're headed. that's next. r walls. where's your furniture? oh we thought it distracted from the new behr dynasty paint color. let me take your coats. because behr dynasty only takes... one. coat. behr dynasty. go ahead, throw your wine on it. what? 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>> reporter: the indications are that it will. there's a potential for it to speed up if the taliban keep to their word because it does seem we're progressing towards regular international flights resuming possibly some time next week. that's what the indications are pointing to. this 158 people getting out of this charter americans, canadians, germans, britains, dutch and belgians as well getting out. french had 59 fpeople fly out. not sure if they are all on that airport flight. we know from the spokeswoman national security council in the united states saying that 11 legal permanent residents of the united states and two u.s. citizens left afghanistan today by a road route. the indications are that the technicalities of making all these things happen there, they in place. big questions remain about the many thousands that want
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