rusty bowers is his name. he was one of those officials who was pressured directly by the former president's legal advisers. he offered more evidence today that they all knew their scheme was illegal and he spoke of his refusal to help not only in terms of law but also his faith. >> it is a tenet of my faith that the constitution is divinely inspired, of my most basic foundational beliefs. and so for me to do that because somebody just asked me to is foreign to my very being. i will not do it. >> there was also a key moment of testimony during today's hearing that for the first time directly linked the former president to the utterly bizarre scheme to install fake electors in seven states to swing the election. equally important was who was providing that testimony. ronna mcdaniel, the chairman of the republican national party and a strong ally of the president. >> what did the president say when he called you? >> essentially he turned the call over to mr. eastman, who then proceeded to talk about the importan

what rusty bowers could have left it at that. he could've said that the giuliani and eastman block was procedurally impossible in arizona, and not pass judgment on it. but he thought as more than that. he thought as a violation of his oath of office. >> i took an oath. i swore to the constitution to uphold it, and i also swore to the constitution and the laws of the state of arizona, and this is totally foreign as an idea the or theory to me. i will not break my oath. >> religion does not strengthen adherence to the oath of office. that has been proved countless times over the centuries. many atheists have demonstrated profound devotion to the principles in the oath of office. for rusty bowers, his religion seems to have strengthened the oaths grip on him. he said, today, that he believes the constitution itself was a divinely inspired. that was his phrase, divinely inspired. he believes that the god he prays too had a hand in writing the constitution or guided the hands that wrote the constitution. and so, to violate the constit

because you did. ♪ >>> so why does rusty bowers, of all people, still say he would vote for presidentpresident trump if he's the 2024 gop? bowers is the speaker of the arizona state house. he was the star witness on tuesday at the january 6th committee hearing. he told in painstaking detail how he was brow beaten and cajoled by the trump administration, by the president, by the president's lawyer rudy giuliani. it was rusty bowers who had the exchange with giuliani when he was trying giuliani to manipulate the outcome ingiulia have a lot of theories, we don't have a lot of evidence. back on december 4th, 2020, a month after the election, a month before january 6th, bowers took the unusual and notable move of releasing a statement criticizing team trump's efforts. he said, as a conservative republican, i don't like the results of the presidential election. i voted for president trump and worked hard to re-elect him, but i cannot and will not entertain a suggestion that we violate current law to change the outcome of a certified election. and then rusty bowers found himself and his fami

rusty bowers was right. and almost no one else in republican politics was willing to tell that truth to the public about it at that point. all these people who were sort of getting it right in retrospect,ti right, he got it right in the moment. and he will be tomorrow's first witness. there will also be two republicanth state officials fr georgia, youia probably know th georgia story better, that's, you know, trump calling up the secretary of state in georgia and demanding, basically in threatening the secretary of state that he needed to throw out just enough biden votes or somehow mysteriousy find just enough trump votes for the secretary of state's office to be able to say oh, actually the result here in georgia has flipped ant secretary of state, his office wouldn't go along with it, and then trump sicced his supporters on the georgia officials and then the deputy secretary of state's office, gabriel sterling in front microphone, he gave his own public press conference in december, not only were p the fr

rusty bowers saying they told him thousands of illegal undocumented citizens voted. thousands of dead people voted, show me the evidence. they never did. brad raffensperger going through the same thing, repeated calls, pressure from the white house chief of staff, do something, fix it. gabe sterling said a month before january 6th, mr. president, please stop. >> someone is going to get killed. >> someone is going to get killed. the threats are escalating. there's no evidence, we keep looking. and then again, you look at the results. in georgia, just shy of 12,000 votes. a count on election day, there was a recount, there was an audit. then they investigated the fraud. the president had his day in court. joe biden won georgia. it's simple fact, it's honest math. the same in arizona. joe biden won, a slightly smaller margin, but again, they counted, they recounted, there were court challenges. they investigated these different claims. you heard the republican house speaker saying they wanted me to call a special session. i don't have that authority. what did you get at

you know, rusty bowers was this incredible witness.aye moss started speaking, my phone exploded. people who don't even follow a lot of news, and who -- were really checked into her. i mean, we know, we know shaye moss. we know lady ruby freeman. lady ruby is every older black lady at every polling place that i used when i was living in new york, when i was living in florida. it's always the same women, black women, usually older black women, who are at that, sitting there with their laptops, figuring it out, figuring out your signature. when my kids were in new york, and they newly turned 18, they said hey, baby, you can vote now. you're ready to vote? and they would encourage you. they give you a sticker. for those women, for people like shaye and lady ruby to no longer feel safe to do that job, to be menaced, i don't know claire mccaskill reminded me there earlier, not only did they deal with that. lady ruby freeman had kanye west's publicist show up at her house and threatened her and say, if you don't admit to the election fraud, i

so freaked out about rusty bowers and what he was going to testify, to he felt the need to lie about immediately before the hearing. >> that's right. >> which i thought was a real tell that trump knows these hearings are powerful in the presentation of evidence, so i -- i think that shaye and her mother will go down in history. she got the profile in courage award this year from the kennedy institute. she deserved it. i think they will go down in history as examples of the abuse of power and the painful result of that in people's lives that are merely doing the right thing. >> yeah. >> it was really -- it was powerful stuff. >> it was powerful stuff. >> i don't know if we played the right sound bite before. can we play son bite one. the skrimpingts attempted citizen's arrest. sound bite one. >> she called me screaming at the top of her lungs, shaye, shaye, oh, my gosh, shaye just freaking me out saying that there were people at her home and they -- you know, they knocked on the door and, of course, she opened it and seeing who was there, who it was, and they just started pushing thei

>> that is correct. >> between then and the morning of january six, rusty bowers fielded more calls. donald trump, trump lawyers who wrote the combo, john eastman, and johnny biggs arizonian. they are one of the same thing. they all wanted bowers to -- break the law and help donald trump remain in power. and he refused every time. the threats ramped up. >> we received, my secretaries would say, an excess of 20,000 emails. and tens of thousands of voicemails and texts. which saturated offices, and we were unable to work. at least communicate. >> threatening behavior than spread to the speaker's home, where it continued until recently. >> we have various groups come by and they have had video panel trucks with videos of me proclaiming needs to be a pedophile, and a pervert, and a corrupt politician. and blaring loudspeakers in my neighborhood. and leaving literature, both on my property and arguing and threatening which neighbors, and with myself. there was one gentleman that had three bars on his chest. and he had a pistol and was threatening my neighbor. >> this was all going on outsi

you have rusty bowers as part of the jeff flake wing, doug ducey wing. there's always been a fringe element that has had an extraordinary amount of influence inside the arizona republican apologize going in the way back machine, a delusional man that ended up as governor. he was impeached. there was a fringe wing of the party and clearly speaker bower is one of those that has to worry about that fringe element. it is a weird divide. but the byu graduate there, he clearly is a man of faith. and he's been a republican for so long in arizona, i think he's unassailable. what do you think? >> this comes down to the danger to our democracy and the danger to physical life. what russky bowers did was break down both. he told you rudy giuliani told him, we're both republicans here. why are you pushing back the political loyalty? >> the man who made famous the phrase country before party, i'm referring to john mccain, he is saying party over country. >> yes. and for rusty bowers to put party over god because he saw that as you're not just asking me about my countr

rusty bowers mentioned seeing a guy with three bars and a gun.other group we haven't heard a lot about. i think we're going to see more information there about people who are involved in the physical violence aspect of either on the capitol or enforcing violence and extending violence outside the capitol. and then the last thing -- i absolutely agree with neal. this is a lot more complex than i anticipated. my sense going in was trump and his attorneys were going around. you had the lawsuits. it appeared to be helter-skelter amateur hour. but it's clear there were a lot of moving pieces. the way the committee is tell it is i think the only way they can tell it. if you try to do it chronologically, there are too many actors and people are going to get confused. doing it the way they're doing it, they take all these different component pieces, and again, i agree with neal, the place that comes together, the place where all the narratives come in the road and meet at one spot, that spot is donald trump, and that's where i think the committee ends up

. >> scott, the republicans who testified today like the arizona house speaker rusty bowers. he voted for donald trump twice. but when he was asked to break the law, he wouldn't do it. what happened to them? they were thrown to the wolves. the same thing happened to pence. how can republicans still be enabling trump and his lie knowing all that? >> well, a couple things. number one, thank goodness these people did their duty. i think as you watch these hearings and you see these people who stood up and understood what their public responsibilities were and they didn't shirk from that. they didn't run away from it. they stood up to it. knowing full well what was going to happen to them because of the president's anger. so thank you to the people who did that. number one. number two, i hope people are paying close attention to the absolute brazenness of this. because you could be next. if donald trump runs for president again and is going to choose a running mate, you know what the first and only question in that interview is going to be. and so i think people need to internali

the shea mosses, and rusty bowers.is huge sloughing between like the matt morgan. the campaign attorney that we saw there who didn't blow the shaye moss whistle who didn't say do this who didn't say this is illegal, we didn't like rusty buyers that took an oath, i believe in this country, i believe in democracy. i believe in law, this is things are presently, they are sacred to, me they didn't say anything. that i took the zero and i let someone else try to pull off the criminal scheme to undo american democracy the first time the two hunted -- congratulations, matt morgan. you see why a lawyer who managed to put that off on somebody else's plates. >> this is what scares me, i don't see in this collection of people, i think it's more that republicans are saying all this. because it does take away the idea that this is some partisan witch hunt drama. but it worries me because the lie that they were willing to bend. how far most of them were willing to go with right up to the point of criminality. and they went, you know

spite of what the ex president tried to make him do, what it says about the republican party that rusty bowers says, i would vote for trump again.

subsequently i learned, a lot of people did, that rusty bowers' daughter, gravely ill, passed away. she died from her illness. i am not, after listening to him for the better part of an hour last week, going to in any way question rusty bowers devotion to the law and the devotion to his faith. this was an enormously impressive man. but i am struck that whether it is him and his obvious outrage at what he was being asked to do, mitch mcconnell who spoke very forcefully against donald trump, you know, a number of people have said on the one hand, they're outraged by what donald trump did, but bill barr, who talked about, you know, has talked in really terribly condemntory terms about what donald trump did, they all said if he were the republican nominee in the fall of 2024, they would vote for him. i find that shocking, myself, in the sense that you're saying this is a guy that was trying to steal an election, that was trying to subvert democracy according to their allegations, but still saying party loyalty, and if it is him versus biden, i would vote for trump. again, rusty bowers h

. >> i was impacted by rusty bowers.awyer. and i want to make a list of all the different ways and all the different approaches that the committee has gone to show criminal intent of donald trump and his coconspirators. and today, it's just, it was about the humanity. today, to me, was the have you no decency moment of these hearings. like in the mccarthy era, like this shows the impact of the lies on individuals. it's one thing to talk about donald trump told 30,000 lies in office. it almost becomes an abstraction. people died on capitol hill because of these lies. these people were just doing the right thing for democracy, and their lives have been upended. you know, rusty bowers, i mean, he was -- he was put under just tremendous pressure to do something as a republican, but he acted as a christian and as an american citizen. and he put his morality first over his politics. as did these women from georgia who, you know, they're just ordinary people. and the emotional impact on this, i think, shows why this -- we can't

that was rusty bowers.ng also heard from election workers, who said they had been falsely accused of carrying out a fake ballot scheme to skew the vote, which had led to them facing intimidation and death threats. shaye moss and her mother ruby freeman worked in georgia state and ruby freeman spoke of how mr trump's involvement had affected her. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? the president of the united states is supposed to represent every american, not target one, but he targeted me, lady ruby, a small business owner, a mother, a proud american citizen who stood up to help fulton county run an election in the middle of a pandemic. the secretary of state for georgia, brad raffensperger, also detailed a series of false claims made by the trump campaign. our north america editor, sarah smith has this report. onjanuary 6, donald trump was still repeating what he knew to be lies about the election. the mysterious vote dump of up to 100,000 votes forjoe biden. al

today you'll hear from rusty bowers. the republican speaker of the arizona house of representatives. you will tell us about his conversations with the president, rudy giuliani and john eastman and what the president's team asked of him and how his oath of office would not permit it. you will then hear from brad reference burger, the republican secretary of state of georgia, who trump directed to quote, find 11780 votes that did not exist, but just the exact number of votes needed to overtake joe biden. you will also hear from gabriel sterling, the chief operating officer, his chief operating officer about this various claims of fraud in the elections in georgia. and who responding to a cascading set of threats to his elections team warned the president to stop that someone was going to get killed. and you will hear from one drea, one dreyer's seamus, a former local elections worker in fulton county, georgia about. busy how all of the lies about the election impacted the lives of real people who administer our elections.

exhibit a, rusty bowers, arizona's republican speaker of the house, who had been a solid trump supporter. trump himself even calling bowers, putting rudy giuliani on the phone, who claimed to have evidence of fraud. >> you're asking me to do something against my oath and i will not break my oath. >> reporter: trump and giuliani wanted bowers to throw out the electoral votes joe biden won and replace them with a phony slate of pro-trump electors. giuliani was relentless. >> he would say, "aren't we all republicans here? i would think we would get a better reception." >> reporter: bowers kept asking giuliani for evidence of fraud. >> he said, "we've got lots of theories, we just don't have the evidence." >> did anyone provide you with evidence of election fraud sufficient to affect the outcome of te presidential election in arizona? >> no one provided me ever such evidence. >> reporter: even though bowers was a staunch trump supporter, he believed what trump and his allies were asking him was immoral and illegal. >> and i said, "you're asking me to do something that's never been done in hi

we are joined today by distinguished legislator from arizona, rusty bowers, who is a republican speakerizona house of representatives. mr. bower was first elected to the state legislature in 1993 and served as speaker since 2019. welcome, mr. bowers. brad raffensperger, he is responsible for supervising elections in georgia and maintaining the state's public records. welcome, mr. secretary. gabriel sterling is a chief operating officer in the georgia secretary of state's office. mr. sterling was the statewide voting systems implementation manager for the 2020 election in georgia, responsible for leading the secretary of state's response to the covid pandemic and rolling out modernized voting equipment. i will swear in our witnesses. witnesses will please stand and raise their right hand. >> do you swear or affirm on the penalty of perjury the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you god? thank you, please be seated. let the record reflect the witnesses answered in the affirmative. speaker bowers, thank you for being with us tod

amy: republican arizona house speaker rusty bowers, longtime trump supporter. is daughter casey bowers died january 20 8, 20 20, a few weeks after the january 6 insurrection. we come back, we will hear more testimony from the public hearing, including the black election worker and her mother in georgia whose lives were forever changed president trump claimed the women helped rig the vote when he lost georgia. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break] amy: "mother i sober" by kendrick lamar. this is democracy now! i'm amy goodman. during tuesday's hearing of the house select committee to investigate the january 6 attack on the united states capitol, members laid out the argument that then-president trump and his campaign "were directly involved in advancing and coordinating the plot to replace biden electors with fake electors not chosen the voters." this is a video presented as evidence that features casey lucier, an investigative counsel for the committee, outlining details of the plan to organize fake electors for ump in states that he had lost. it includes comments from

brad raffensperger, rusty bowers, others. ter at the end of the day counts. >> so, charles, there's a lot of emotion on this hearing yesterday from mr. bowers, i thought from shaye moss and we heard from her mother ruby freeman in video clips. to mike's point, crime syndicate. there's an idea that a crime was committed. what have you seen from the hearings, on a number of them, on the aspects, runup to january 6th and the day itself have they been put on display for the attorney general to charge donald trump with legal crimes? >> well, jon, you asked me question, i'm going to address it but i don't want to gloss over yesterday. that's arguably one of the most compelling witnesses we've seen take the stage and testify. one of the reasons for that, we've been having obviously the conversation about politics. we've been having the discussion about the criminal element about what's been going on with respect to the january 6th investigation and hearings and everything else coming out. but the human element has been overlooked lar

john eastman at one point says to rusty bowers, just do it and have the courts sort it out. as gabriel sterling from georgia said, there were no secret suitcases with magical ballots. it just did not exist. >> certainly. bowers at one point testified that rudy giuliani was then trump's personal lawyer told him, and i'm quoting now, we've got lots of theories, we just don't have the evidence. caitlyn, does that tell you everything you need to know about what happened? >> basically. you saw the testimony "today" show just how persistent these officials were in pushing this on these state officials like rusty bowers who was testifying today who was saying he was getting calls from rudy giuliani who said i don't have the evidence, but here is the claims that we're making and this is what we want you to push. you saw former president trump calling rusty bowers and asking him to hold hearings in the arizona state capitol because he's the speaker. you saw andy biggs, a congressman and trump ally, calling him and asking him to decertify the votes. that's what stood out today, just ho

such as the brad raffenspergers of the world and gabriel sterling and rusty bowers. know how you can see that this is a witchhunt when it is republicans coming forward to tell the truth about the extent of the lie and of the illegal actions that were being taken by the trump administration and his team. laura: and we have got lots of theories, we just don't have the evidence, that is what we heard today that the president's former lawyer rudy giuliani apparently said. that is pretty damning, isn't it? guest: it is clear, they were told that the election were secure and fair and they had lost. all of this is very damning to trump, giuliani, especially to john eastman and the crimes they committed and wanted others to commit for them. and it is these individuals saying that i am taking that responsibility to honor my mama to the constitution and i will not reply. laura: do you think these hearings will give the ability to make parents, who you work for, to stand up to donald trump and run against him for the nomination of the republican party in 2024? guest: mike pence

you have the integrity of rusty bowers. you have shea and her mom, lady ruby, which is trending on social media today. if you're going to pay attention to something on social media, it should be stuff like that, but refusing to be pulled into this scheme. >> yeah. i got to be honest. i had kind of forgotten what it sounded like when principled conservative republicans put their convictions ahead of trump. we were it from from time to time, we heard it from liz cheney, adam kinzinger, but you don't hear it all that koften, and i was reminded these election officials, the secretary of state, that you didn't know about until january 6th and everything that happened, everything they did to prevent worse. i am grateful for those people, and it gives me some sense of hope that there are more out there like them, because they want to try it again. trump and republicans want to keep trying to break our democracy. and they're going to vote for secretaries of state who want to keep breaking our elections and weak continu weakening th

if you're a jury in a courtroom, you're going to believe rusty bowers. is difficult to discount this man's testimony. >> is this going to get to a jury in the courtroom, is the doj going to ask on this, they asked for the transcripts, but -- >> i don't think i would go directly to donald trump, but doj should take intermediary steps and work up the chain. that's the practice in these kinds of cases. >> as we look ahead to the next part of the hearing today, this was a quick break. seen ten minute breaks, this is only five or so, presumably they'll be walking back shortly. we'll hear from folks in georgia. brad raffensperger gave sterling, the secretary of state and his deputy, and shay moss who was elections worker in georgia involved in, shouldn't say involved, at the center of what some described as a conspiracy theory. election worker that didn't do anything wrong but found herself subject of threats from those on the far right that believes the theory about a suitcase of ballots. frank, we look at one of the next threads, one will have to do with chi

one of those contentions were dismissed by the chief witness today, rusty bowers.t change as far as the public mood is concerned, so entrenched are the political positions of people in this country. polls have consistently shown that the majority of republican voters for example continue to believe that donald trump really had no hand in the insurrection that took place at the us capitol building on the sixth of january last year. david willis, always - january last year. david willis, always very - january last year. david| willis, always very good january last year. david i willis, always very good to speak with you. thanks very much for getting us that update. you're watching newsday on the bbc. still to come on the programme: the hollywood actor ben stiller praises the spirit of the ukrainian people, after meeting preisdent zelensky, and visiting the city of irpin. members of the neo—nazi resistance movement stormed the world trade centre, armed with pistols and shotguns. we believe that, according to international law, that we have a right to claim certain par

arizona's republican house speaker, rusty bowers, gets his turn. committee aides tell nbc news he will detail, for the first time, how trump and rudy giuliani leaned on him directly to overturn biden's victory in arizona. joining bowers tomorrow, two other republican officials, who were targets of a very similar pressure campaign. georgia secretary of state, brad raffensperger, who trump famously asked to find those 11,780 votes, and his deputy, gabe sterling. along with shaye moss, a georgia election worker who got personal death threats and harassment, and was falsely accused of manipulating votes. she was just an election worker, helping to count votes in the hours after the election. she got death threats. committee aides say the hearing will also show that trump knew the pressure campaign could in fact become violent, and he pushed it anyway. >> we'll be showing some of the evidence of the presidents role in this whole scheme of pressuring state legislatures. donald trump lost these states. we will explore the role that was played by the presi

that one was arizona house speaker rusty bowers during the house collect committee gathering. of 2020 amid the pressure from donald trump and his allies. joining us now white house editor for politico, our friend sam stein. sam, you brought some new polls for us, which we appreciate. >> right. >> as the january 6th committee hearings continue, 69% say the attack on the u.s. capitol impact third world view. tell us what that means and how significant it might be. >> well, it's a pretty big number, obviously, for an event that happened a year and a half ago. down a little bit since we tested it a little while ago but still fairly high. i would just caution, though, if you look at it broken down a little more by party, you get a more nuanced sense of what's happening here. at least because of the election, democrats are paying more attention than republicans. in terms how much did you hear. 50% heard about the hearing. 56% of them are democrats, 25% are republicans. some that may be that the first hearing was not carried by fox news live, at least. but you see it across the board

about a pressure campaign by president trump and rudy giuliani starting with arizona house speaker rusty bowersd a statement by the former president that bowers had told him the state's election was rigged. >> anywhere, anyone, anytime has said that i said the election was rigged, that would not be true. howard: bowers kept commanding to see -- demanding to see proof of the alleged fraud and recalled a striking comment from giuliani. >> to my recollection, he said we've got lots of theories, we just don't have the evidence. howard: another republican, georgia's secretary of state brad rathens pirger, responded to that famous phone call. >> we didn't have any votes to find. we investigated, i can share the numbers with you. howard: and -- and her mother ruby freeman, both election workers, said their lives were ruined by false allegations. >> i said i don't do nothing anymore, i don't want to go anywhere, i second guess anything that i do. >> there is nowhere that i feel safe, nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? >> human beings we can target f

republican arizona house speaker rusty bowers choking up today when describing to the committee why he wouldn't go along with the scheme saying to do so would be foreign to my very being. bowers and other witnesses including a georgia election worker vilified by some trump supporters recounting the lies, threats and backlash they faced. that's where we start tonight with garrett haake. >> reporter: the january 6th committee today outlining a scheme they say began well before the attack on the capitol. pressuring key state officials to find trump votes or send fake pro-trump electors to washington from states joe biden won. >> anyone who got in the way of donald trump's continued hold on power after he lost the election was the subject of a dangerous and escalating campaign of pressure. >> reporter: republican officials in pennsylvania and michigan describing the aggressive push from trump allies to intervene. >> all of my personal information was dumped online. >> all i remember is receiving just shy of 4,000 text messages over a short period of time calling to take action. >> reporter

. >> republican speaker of the arizona house rusty bowers, what he did, drawing threats and worse. >> public pressure on state officials often grew dangerous in the lead up to january 6th. >> let us in! let us in! >> light the whole [ bleep ] on fire. >> what are we going to do besides kill him? although we should not do that. i'm not advising that, but i mean, what else can you do, right? >> across today's hearings, the people who testified were public servants who are usually out of view. a poll worker. state election staffer, secretary of state. three of those witnesses were elected republicans. all followed the law instead of the demands and pressure to break it. some paying very high prices. >> they have had video panel trucks with videos a me proclaiming me to be a pedophile and a pervert and a corrupt politician. >> wishing death upon me, telling me that, you know, i'll be in jail with my mother and saying things like, be glad it's 2020 and not 1920. >> i was getting texts all over the country, and then eventually my wife starting getting texts, and hers typically came in as se

. >> reporter: rusty bowers, republican house speaker in arizona, offering powerful testimony about the pressure he faced from former president trump and his legal team. to decertify arizona's legitimate election results showing joe biden as the winner. >> he said just do it and let the courts sort it out and i said you're asking me to do something that's never been done in history, the history of the united states. no, sir. he said, well, that's my suggestion would be just do it and let the courts figure it all out. >> reporter: that was also telling the committee, trump attorney rudy giuliani acknowledged they didn't have any proof of fraud. bowers even disputing the claim trump made about him shortly before the hearing. >> anyone, anytime, heard i said the election was rigged would not be true. >> reporter: the committee demonstrating how state officials remain insstead fast the wake of calls. >> this is rudy giuliani and judy ellis, we're calling because we'd like to discuss, obviously, the election. >> hi, speaker, this is jenna ellis here with mayor giuliani. >> reporter: the comm

i mean, really that's what rusty bowers is saying. line, that his family was nut in jeopardy but he's going to elevate politics over all of that. it's really quite shocking. the final thing i would say is if you believe you want donald trump without the trumpisms, there's a name for that is correct it's ron desantis and this is what is giving heft to desantis should he decide to challenge trump. >> desantis even with trump in new hampshire. we will talk much more about that, dig into those numbers in a little bit, michael. you have many jobs, i consider your most important to the of counsel to "new day." counselor, i want to ask you about this new reporting in the doj investigation into the fake elector scheme. cnn has confirmed subpoenas going out in at least four states, there are other outlets talk being even more than that. so subpoenas going to people on the fake elector thing in at least four states, maybe more. what does this tell you about the scope of this doj investigation and maybe the possibility merrick garland is doing m

the major allegations are not supported by the evidence developed. >> reporter: rusty bowers the republicanp, rudy guiliani, congressman andy biggs, and others, pressured him to decertify biden's win in his state. biggs ignored cnn's questions about it. bowers said guiliani never provided evidence of their conspiracy theories. even admitting there was none. >> what exactly did he say and how did it come up? >> my recollection, he said we've got lots of theories. we just don't have the evidence. i don't know if that was a gaff or maybe he didn't think through what he said. afterwards we kind of laughed about it. but i do not take this current situation in a light manner, a fearful manner, or a avengeful manner. i do not want to be a winner by cheating. >> reporter: trump's lawyer john eastman allegedly told bowers to just replace the electors even if he did not have the authority. >> he said, just do it and let the court sort it out. i said, you're asking me to do something that

if this hasn't changed rusty bowers' mind, how is anybody else's mind going to be changed?ry moved by his testimony and his constitutional faith and patriotism, when he said that, i thought to myself, well, if you want to get donald trump back in office and that were actually to materialize you've got to be prepared to do the exact same thing next time, because trump has proven himself to be absolutely disrespectful of the rule of law and completely ungovernable by the constitution. so i think -- i took mr. bowers to be saying that's the nature of the party system. i know he's running for state senate now in his state, i believe, and you know, i take that that's a statement of political necessity for him. that's what he thinks, but the reality is that i think these hearings are unifying democrats, republicans, independents, people across the spectrum in a determination that america constitutional democracy has to work the way we know it has to work. we can't have politicians who mobilize mobs to overturn our processes. >> okay, and i know we have one more hearing after the

>> no basis at all, and i'm so proud of the speaker of the arizona house, rusty bowers, who everyone week, saying he was open to allegations of fraud. he wanted to hear them. and i was, too. my colleagues and i, we certified the election and we talked to kelly ward and others in the party, we said, bring us facts and evidence, but there wasn't any. there were no facts and evidence so there was absolutely no basis for assembling these fake electors. the only reason to do it was to lay the predicate for january 6th and the problem is that good people who were misled, they saw this happen and they thought, this is real. donald trump actually won. and, therefore, they thought they were justified in breaking in and desecrating the capitol of our country. >> based on what you have seen in the january 6th hearings and based on what you have seen for yourself over the these 18 months and beforehand, before even january 6, do you feel that laws were broken? i am not just talking about those who entered the capitol grounds i'm talking the planning and carrying out by people who may have been c

i just wanted speak about rusty bowers and his family and his story.ce and the compassion, and the courage that they have shown is unmatched. in the lesson that he gave us tonight, and that he has given us throughout is one that, as americans, we all benefit and are blessed by. so thank you very much. [applause] rep. cheney: i am so honored to be here tonight, and, honored because of a story in particular that most people don't know. and that is that on september 25, 1963, president john f. kennedy came to laramie, wyoming and he was speaking to thousands of students at laramie that day in the fieldhouse, and in that speech, which you can hear online and you can hear in the archives of the kennedy library, he told the students, "i hope that all of you who are students here will recognize the great opportunity that lies before you in this decade and in the decades to come to be of service to our country; ; and he would on to explain that the ancient greeks defined happiness as the full use of your power along lines of excellence, and he told the student

rusty bowers was among the key witnesses who describe the pressure from trump and his allies.esidents of johannesburg protested in front of the mayor's office. they would also like to see and into two power cuts, better drinking water. in germany, and art show is removing a work over its anti-semitic content, the controversy is overshadowed the opening of the modern art exhibition which is held every five years. politicians have condemned a giant batter using anti-semitic stereotypes to trade jewish israelis. >> it takes face labeled with messiah. this cliched and derogatory rep once -- >> this is anti-semitic. with that being so obvious, it is inexcusable. reporter: it is a liberal and open-minded city so something like this does not fit. the head issued an apology on behalf of the indonesian artist. we promised there would be no anti-semitic content. that we would intervene immediately if there were. we did not keep this promise and that should never have happened. before the opening, there were talks about the possibility of anti-semitism at the event. if there had been a w

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