i love you joe lieberman but you've got to stop this, joe.oe, joe, joe, this is insane and you cannot do anything, anything, that could possibly help donald trump become president. you cannot be an accomplice on that. you are better than that, joe. >> trace: i mean god forbid steve there might be competition in all this right? absolutely unintentionally hilarious, these people who lecture endlessly about democracy, democracy dying and democracy under threat. their version of democracy is all great as long as you get the right answer, which is the one they want. democracy's fine as long as trump doesn't win elections and it's how ridiculous they sound. and the people rooting for biden, they want biden in there because they can see he's completely useless, not in control, and that's why the establishment, including all the media, love having biden there because the people behind the scenes actually are controlling him because he's clearly incapable of doing the job. that's why you have this massive establishment move to try and get biden reelec

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charles: let's bring in former connecticut senator and founding member joe lieberman.rganization is making a whole lot of noise right now. it is really coming mostly from the left who are petrified that somehow you will be a spoiler in this thing. you've had people berate you on national television to just drop the whole thing because it will help former president trump more than president biden. >> yeah. i mean, i guess i should not be surprised by the reaction although i am surprised that most of it is coming from the left and the democratic party and i am surprised by the intensity of it. i think that means we have touched a nerve. the reality of it is the two parties are just about at their lowest level of acceptance certainly in my lifetime. a recent poll said 49% of the american people self identify as independents and republicans and democrats both come in the 20s. both parties seem set on dominating two candidates, president trump and biden 60-70% of the american people say they do not want to have to choose between. we are working at providing a third alternat

but i hear molly say or joe lieberman say the centrist position, this is where he gets more murky.hen you start to sell this to the nation, you know, you have to have a economic policy, a foreign policy, you have to have a domestic policy. when do these things get decided? how are they articulated? >> well, they start to do that today or later today in new hampshire with joe manchin and governor huntsman are both going to be there. they're latering out a detailed policy agenda on 30 major issues in america where we believe we can find common ground. you don't have to agree with every position but they're talking about solutions to big problems. americans don't think that republicans or democrats are doing these days. it's a long way off. having more people involved in the discussion, sitting down and listening to people that you may disagree with is a good thing for america and how i was one of the most successful governors in the country. >> charles: let me squeeze this in. we heard if there was a sign that it would tilt the election, they would back out. from what i've read, righ

i like joe lieberman a lot. i served with him and he is my friend.we hope that we can help convince no labels to back this down and not do it. if these were normal times, we would have no problem with this. these are not normal times. we just went through an election that was valid by a whisker only because mike pence and 6 or 7 state republican election officials stood up against tremendous pressure and did the right thing and saved the election from being seen as stolen and rigged by millions of americans. the person who really tried to overthrow the government and that election is running for president. and as liz cheney said, we can't have him back in the white house again. so the no labels effort you just know from looking at all the polling information, including no labels polling, would siphon so many votes away from joe biden and take them to trump if those are the two candidates. that's what it looks like. so this is not a good effort. this is a risky effort that we hope to convince no labels to not go forward. >> dana: there is also polling

the founding chairman of no labels is joe lieberman, who was al gore's running mate on the democratic ticket in 2000, who was defeated in part because of a third party candidacy of ralph nader. he told the atlantic, quote, i think people in both parties are greatly overreacting. they really would do better to try to build up support for their own ticket and adopt a platform more to the center. ah, yes, democrats are just hysterical about the possibility of handing trump a second term and potentially bringing the democratic experiment to an end. he's being disingenuous when he says democrats needs a platform more to the center. bucking the more progressive wing of the party which has earned criticism from said progressives. political operatives have met to discuss how to counter the run. it has become so terrifying the top democratic firms woo worked with the group in the past now refuse to discuss their collaboration. joining me is david corn, msnbc political analyst. good to see you, my friend. who is funding this? >> i wish we knew. they're what we call a dark money group. there are

several years ago i also agreed to be the honorary co-chair of the labels with joe lieberman. i am a big believer in bipartisan cooperation in reaching across the aisle to get things done. that is how i was successful in the bluest state america. but this is far too often the future, and we don't know what's going to happen. i said that if no one wants the candidate a or candidate be, maybe there will be a candidate c. but right now i am focused on getting the republican party on track and trying to nominate a good republican that can do a better job and that can potentially win a race in november. >> nbc paul did show that 44% of registered voters would consider voting for a third party candidate. those are the numbers that i have. it is not that uncommon, because back in 2016, that number was 46%, even a slightly bit higher. would you acknowledge that the appetite for third party candidates is not unique, necessarily, to this year? >> no, i would totally disagree with that. >> the polling suggests otherwise. >> i don't know the player citing but there are dozens and dozens o

dick: i like joe lieberman. i served with him in the congress. he is a great person. is what they are saying, why don't they say publicly that if the republican candidate is donald trump, they will not go forward with this effort? that's what i can't understand. they say they are forming an insurance policy in the case the candidates are trump and biden. that is precisely the time they should not do this. if their goal is not to reelect donald trump. geoff: there is now a full coalition of political groups opposing no labels to include the progressive group moveon.org, the centerleft think tank a third way, the anti-trump group lincoln project. how will your organization be different? david: -- dick: we are totally bipartisan. we've got great former members of congress like jack danforth, chuck hagel, bill cohen, and others. we have great former democratic officers, like to fourth and others. and we are moving into this space, not to attack no labels, not to criticize them severely for what they are doing. we understand there are a lot of really well-meaning people in

first of all, let's just acknowledge that joe lieberman was on the ticket with al gore.saying that there are the ones that are supporting democracy by giving voters a choice, it is really thrilling problems with that. one, they're not offering a choice. they're offering a allusion. there's absolutely no way that a third party candidate is going to win a election. no third-party time that has ever come close. no third party candidate has won single state since 1968 when george wallace ran as a racist. second problem is that no labels is not very democratic. they don't reveal who their donors are. their secret, they raise money in unlimited amounts, and so they're not playing on the same playing field as political parties. there have to say who the donors are or raise money under the federal limits. in the third thing is that they have not said how they are going to choose their candidate. the democrats and republicans have primaries in the voters to their candidates are. apparently, no labels it's going to do it in some kind of back ring. they will have a convention they

we're joined by joe lieberman, elected as an independent in his last term, and doug jones, part of aroup that's joined forces to oppose this third party effort. thank you both for joining us this morning. senator lieberman, let me begin with you. when you were wrrunning on al gore's ticket, you warned that ralph nader would be a spoiler. you were right. aren't you concerned that will happen this time around? >> no. i mean, we've made very clear that we're not in this to be spoilers. we're in this to give the majority of the american people who feel that the major two parties are failing them a third choice both in policy such as we're going to release in new hampshire tomorrow, but also possibly in a third candidate, and we have been very explicit, and just watch us. if the polling next year shows after the two parties have chosen our nominees, that, in fact, we will help elect one or another candidate, we're not going to get involved. the other thing to say, george, is if the two parties listen and maybe think about what we're trying to do, and they pay attention to the numbers rick

no labels co-chairman joe lieberman insisted yesterday the group will stay out of the 2024 presidentiale if polling shows its candidate would play a spoiler role by helping elect a candidate from either major party. >>> california produces nearly all of the nation's processed tomatoes. up next, how the changing climate could change the entire business from the field to your dinner plate. >> we're a little nervous about what might happen. >> it would be another really rough tomato season. >>> plus a look at how a relatively contained wildfire in yosemite is impacting air quality from >>> right now on cbs news bay area, an invasive species is killing oak trees in sonoma county. >>> plus a second alzheimer's drug looking for fda approval, why it may come with a warning. >>> but first we continue project earth, our new series exploring the impacts of climate change as well as some potential solutions and today we're talking tomatoes. >> good evening. i'm elizabeth cook. >> i'm devin fehely. >>> from salsa to ketchup to pasta sauce, processed tomatoes can add a lot of flavor to a meal. >> ab

[applause] as with joe lieberman and so many others, it is such an honor. i would say that first of all, we should not let recruiting and retention become a crisis within this country. as it was after the vietnam war. i'm old enough to remember the post-75 period, and the rebuilding that had to occur. a lot of people in this country are weary of 20 years of war in the middle east. failed deployments. execution of strategies that went nowhere. in some cases, it has been a turn on to people because we have not deployed wisely. and we have squandered resources and lives have been lost. we don't need to go more into that but what i hear from my own sons who are well into the system, from their colleagues -- and sadly, many of them are thinking about leaving early. not because they are the best in the business but because sometimes the military doesn't do a very good job of connecting talent with opportunity. you are stuck in a pipeline. you have to do your time. you have to check the boxes as you go. it is sometimes a bureaucratic exercise. in a time of war you

ben and joe lieberman and so many others is just such an honor. so i would say that, first of all, we should not let recruiting and retention become a crisis within this country as it was after the vietnam war. so i'm old enough to remember the post-'75 period expect rebuilding that had to occur. i think a lot of people in this country are we're wholy of -- are weary of 20 years of war in the middle east, failed deployments, execution of strategies went nowhere. and i think in some cases it's been a turnoff to people because we have not deployed wisely in some cases, and we have squanderedded resources, and lives have been lost. soan we don't need to go more io that. but what i hear from my own sons who are well into the system and what i hear from their colleagues and, sadly, many of them are thinking about leaving early not because they aren't the with best in the business, but because sometimes the military doesn't do a very good job of connecting talent with ecopportunity. you're stuck in a pipeline, you have to do your time. you've got to che

people like john and, joe lieberman but none of them pose a threat like joe manchin does.lone warrior of the democratic party, often lumped in with kirsten sinema and others because he bucks the liberal vote in dc but he comes from a different strain, more traditional working class strain of the democratic party, pro energy, patriotic, one that is left behind in washington dc. the question, he will lose the first time to the popular governor of west virginia, does he want to go comfortably away and take over a college in west virginia and spent his last couple years or this anger at the democratic party which is constantly attacked him and demeaned his supporters and constituents enough that he's willing to correct the course by running a third-party candidate. stuart: 47% of voters would consider voting for a third-party candidate next year. i'm a little suspicious of that if they did get on the ballot with 1/3 party. would they really get nearly half the votes? i don't see that. >> i don't see that either. americans like to think of ourselves as independent thinkers who

options to run in the third party no labels ticket includes former president democratic senator , joe liebermanformer maryland republican -- joe manchin, and former republican governor of utah, john huntsman. advocates for a so-called unity ticket will say, they will tell you, look, a whopping 47% of people would consider voting for third party candidates according to a recent poll. the numbers are overwhelming. never mind 47% felt that way back in 2016. a third party candidate did barely swing the election to donald trump. what other consequences of all of this? is it actually what the country is looking for right now? we'll explain the answers to those massive questions with jamelle bouie, coming up next. >> basically, if people make you think they are divided, don't accept that. you're not divided. you wouldn't be sitting here if you are divided. it's the politics in washington, business of the democrat and republican party that has a better model, their business model is better if you are divided. basically, they get you all chained up and you are ready to go. nothing is done. their busines

first of all, to put my priors on the table, i came up in democratic politics, we're chaired by joe liebermaner vice presidential nominee, dr. ben tavis spent 60 years in the democratic party in the civil rights movement. there's a reason we don't share our donors. we are not a political party. we are a nonprofit group. 60 years ago, the state of alabama tried to get the ncaap to divulge their donors, and the supreme court sided with them unanimously and said, you don't have to do that. here's why that matters today. the reason they protected the naacp then is because they wanted to protect their supporters from intimidation. there's groups trying to lean on us all the time. >> you're not going to give me names, but can you confirm and say on the record that there are not big-ticket republican donors who are fueling your cause? >> we have -- i can tell you that our voters are -- that our supporters are -- >> pro-trump? >> we don't have any pro-trump supporters fueling thefrt, absolutely not. the money we raise is even from both sides. people, a lot of the ways people know us is the fund-raisi

a policy booklet by that name touting centrist position, former congressman joe lieberman, onetime democratade very clear that were not in this to be spoilers and were in this to give the majority, the american people who feel the major two parties are failing them of their choice. >> no labels is working to secure ballot access nationwide. democratic party are doing handwringing over this, former alabama senator doug jones is among those joining the bipartisan effort took dorothy party move that could cite the book hampering president biden selection. >> it's like they will be in favor of donald trump in a biggest threat to democracy that we've seen since january 6. >> as to the spoiler charge, lieberman vows of polling shows that no labels will help i do major party candidates and they will not get involved. no labels has an insurance policy that they published promising to run a unity ticket only under certain conditions and they have not yet committed to do so. ashley: fascinating stuff. molly, thank you very much. back with us the washington examiner tiana lowe doescher. what do you ma

joe lieberman, i love you, but you have to stop this joe. >> joe, joe, joe, this is insane. >> this willent biden. you look at the election in 2020, arguably as much as donald trump or as much as president biden won, donald trump lost. there were a lot of people coming out to vote against donald trump rather than for president biden, so i think they'll be peeling away voters that will directly hurt president biden. >> they're pretty worried. probably have good reason. i was looking at nbc polls and they showed 6% voting third party in 2016, down to 2% in 2020. and those who voted third party disproportionately broke for biden two to one. the understanding would be if there's a third party candidate that's viable like joe manchin, may not win the election, but could take some votes away. >> we are told a lot of things constitute attacks on democracy. is it an attack on democracy to basically try to bully a potential third party off the ballot? they're ruthless in the democratic party, try to keep the green party, try to keep cornel west off the ballot. >> bobby kennedy. >> this is what th

democrat turned independent joe lieberman is the founding chairman of that and it is about when theyay name a candidate. >> we know that we are probably not going to be able to make a sensible decision about this until next year. certainly after the super tuesday primaries in march when the field becomes clear, then we'll decide whether we have a constructive role to play by running a bipartisan unity ticket. >> harris: a new op-ed lays it out this way, quote. trump support is an inch wide and a mile deep. his supporters are dedicated. biden's support is a mile wide and an inch deep. millions of americans voted for him because he wasn't trump. and many of them could be persuaded to vote for someone else such as a reasonable third-party candidate who also isn't trump. if trump has a chance of winning a viable third party candidate, is likely his only path to victory. >> this is a problem democrats aren't interested in him and also a problem that democrats aren't having a democratic primary process. that frustration is spilling over into the no labels discussion as well. >> harris: wha

any polling you have that suggests that any of the third party candidates mentioned, yourself, joe lieberman, others they could beat donald trump and joe biden. >> the campaign hadn't been run yet, you don't know what it looks. like the only place we've been on the ballot together i do pretty well, i finished my eight years as governor with 77% approval rating, the highest in the country. it was over 70 with democrats and independents and republicans. of, course i'm not well-known across the country. you know, you have to run a race to see what is going to look. like >> -- >> ray now the people are pretty far ahead from where they have been before for voting for party. >> back in 2016, also when there is an appetite for a third party candidate, there was a third party candidate, jill stein, when more votes than the margin between trump and clinton. it may have made the difference. it did make the difference it probably put trump over the edge so, how can you be so confident that -- how can the labels be so confident that a third party won't elect trump? >> well you have a third party candida

. >> no labels co-chair, former senator joe lieberman, democratic senator, is dismissing concerns thating to help donald trump. he says people are overreacting. what's your take on that? >> people are reacting critically. i'm not an enemy of no labels. i used to work for them in 2017 with my friend bill. i'm not against it, but the fact is no labels is not going to win. a no labels candidate will not win in this polarized country. no labels might get 20%. every piece of evidence from polling to history, suggests that more of that 20% will come from joe biden than donald trump, trump supports, more committed, in centrists will be seduced into voting for someone younger than joe biden, what looks like a centrist ticket and it could defeat joe biden and it is not responsible cen terrorism, it is not responsible moderation to elect donald trump. >> and bill, i know you already met with no labels and tried to make this argument. you also on the democratic side have rfk jr., a democratic presidential candidate, pushing covid conspiracy theories. last week in a video obtained by "the new york

president nominee running together, very much along the lines of what john mccain almost it with joe lieberman back in a wait. >> what is that path to victory? i've seen the electoral path to victory map that your group has. it says it requires winds in hawaii, vermont, maryland, massachusetts. those are all states and in 2020, biden won by 30 points or more. it doesn't really seem like a viable path. >> you remember larry hogan who is one of the co-chairs of no labels actually carried the state and 20 by, what, 30 points? a republican in a state that trump got crushed. there is definitely room for people to say, we don't want this rematch and the polls show that. can he come up with a different take it? we actually think that there is a pathway for us to get 270, more than 270 electoral votes. our first goal is to get on the ballot. now, we have to get the signatures to get on the ballot. that's what we're up to now, which is why utah was a big state this last week. we're in play and a good number of states across the country at the moment. >> biden still did win maryland that year by more th

joe lieberman one of the founder members of no labels was on this weekend saying a one thing -- theyhis to be spoilers is how he put it. you have now joined a group along with the former democratic house leader dick gebhardt to counter this effort. why do you see this as such a problem as a democrat? >> well, one of the things i said and i said this in my conversations with mr. gebhardt is these are extraordinary times and extraordinary times require extraordinary measures, a second trump presidency i see as a threat not just to the country but to the entire american experiment. we need to create unity to make sure that trump cannot and will not be the next president of the united states. this is not a specific criticism of no labels alone, i think any third-party candidate history has shown that third-party candidates have a very difficult time gaining support and current polling reflects that a third-party candidate not only can't win the presidency but is going to hurt the incumbent president far more than it would damage the former president. >> let's see what happens with this.

you've got joe lieberman as the founder, who is the biggest advocate for the war in iraq. e got them advocating cuts in social security. both joe biden and donald trump are against that. they're advocating for a '90s sentism that hollowed out manufacturing in this country that made our jobs go offshore. john huntsman didn't get more than 1% when he ran for president because people said they wanted jobs in the midwest. joe biden and donald trump are far more in touch with their wings of the party than the sent rizm that the country has drastically rejected. >> so, your chance to respond, the congressman thinks that the two leading candidates are more in touch with the wings of their party. your goal is to go after the people who are maybe disenchanted with those wings. why do you see that there's a space there potentially? >> well, thank you. and a shoutout to our congressman from california. i know him very well. i appreciate his leadership. but i would disagree that the platform, the policy document that we released here, the common sense is about what the majority of the

my co-chair joe lieberman has been involved in the organization for a long time., i think it is a lot of negative rhetoric coming out of democratic operatives who are trying to stifle potential involvement from citizens. geoff: we are waiting a potential indictment of donald second trump regarding his role in the events leading up to the january 6 insurrection. he faces as many as six criminal and civil cases in the next year. it seems as is legal troubles expand, sodas his base of support. what accounts for that and do you see that changing? gov. hogan: i sure hope so. i have been trying to do my part to steer the party away from donald trump. i think it would be a terrible mistake for the republican party to nominate donald trump and i think it would be terrible for the country for donald trump to be elected president again. look, the problem we have right now, about 50% of the likely republican primary voters do not want donald trump, but they've got 11 choices who else they might support and many of them are struggling to get attention because all of our focus

they are going to try to push as many people as they can to a joe manchin, joe lieberman, whoever it turns out to be, there's a conservative democrat and they will try to split the vote. that is their objective. they said it on paper. they admitted what it does and anyone who is still taking them as a well-intentioned do-gooder needs to look a little closer at the very deep intentions of their staff and their plan. >> hold on right there, i want to take a quick break and ring you to stuart stevens, we will be right back after the break. we have breaking news out of pennsylvania right now. at least three people are dead after a massive thunderstorm caused severe thunder flooding in bucks county. for people ranging in age from nine months to 63 years old or missing and disaster declarations have been put in place for the area officials say that while they are still treating this as a rescue they are fairly certain that we are in recovery mode at this time. that is three people dead and four people missing we have an update scheduled for 11:30 am eastern and we will bring you that live

this is joe lieberman, who is a part of no labels talking to our friend of the show here and said onis podcast recently. >> if we find in polling next march, if it is trump and biden, that we're somehow disproportionately going to help trump, i think there is a lot of people within the no labels movement who will say it is not worth it. don't do it. i just happen to be a group of young business people, i said we don't want to be spoilers and a guy raised his hand and said why are you worried about being a spoiler. the whole system is so rotten and unproductive. it needs to be spoiled. >> ab that is exactly the problem. that is exactly what worries the white house. as senator lieberman is wise and been around washington long enough to know that being a spoiler is a potential issue. he doesn't want to be involved in handing the presidency -- >> but he's like let me take your checks from the person who is offering this view of it. >> it is not tied to either party and they do want to bro things up. that is very attractive to people. the core of all of this is a lack of enthusiasm for pr

i'm an honorary co-chair with joe lieberman. and i believe in the principles of the organization.hought is, if you get past super tuesday, and they know the nominees are trump and biden, and that 70% or more do not like those choices, that they are going to have a nominating convention, i think, at the end of april, and try to pick a potential unity ticket, we are a republican and democrat could run together and try to you night the country, someone who has the courage to put the country first. and put it above party. >> if it gets to that point, if it's donald trump, joe biden, a third party nominee, are you voting for that third party nominee? >> i think it depends on who the third party nominee is. as you pointed out, there is an awful lot of people that are trying to talk to me about being that third party nominee. >> are you willing to do it? >> i think it's far too early, it's premature. i am focused. >> what are you considering it? it sounds like you're considering it. >> i'm not considering it, but i have not ruled it out. because, you know if that's what it takes to save

brave pete hugs from, then committee chair was to join with others including me, susan collins, joe lieberman in supporting this, in spite of the opposition from the then-chair of the armed services committee and even vice president. the president was for it, they were against it and he briefly stood up and passed on an overwhelming bipartisan basis. as i said, our first piece of advice is to fight to keep the bipartisan reputation of the committee and to make certain of the overarching mission is to provide our country, to protect our country, not one's reelection, not that reelection does not matter, we all understand this, but to put the country first. and i applaud this committee, let me go to the topic i really want to address, for creating a bipartisan working group to focus on the reauthorization of section 702 of fisa. to remind, in the 70s, i was working in the carter white house on the foreign intelligence surveillance act passed on a bipartisan basis to correct the abuses that had been identified by the church committee. it also set up this committee back in the day, and fisa was s

i don't think joe mansion or lieberman would do it either.ow 70% do not want biden or trump. 59% said they would consider a third alternative. and 49% of the people in the country are registered independent. a new poll showed that 33% said they would vote for trump. 32% biden and 31% said they would vote for neither. it is not a spoiler. it is about this group is only interested in running if we can actually win and bring the country together. >> i want to ask you about an interview that our caitlyn collins did with georgia governor brian kemp. he was no fan the way donald trump conducted himself after he lost the 2020 election. but he said that he would vote for donald trump again if he's the gop nominee. i think it would be a surprise that you helped to get him elected given your history with him. >> i would ask a lot of people, i have a lot of people that say, i cannot go there and do that. but i'm thinking about the next president is going to be picking probably another supreme court justice and judges on the court of appeals, a federal j

it is joe lieberman. they will always have a reason why they cannot do anything for the people.he minute the voters wake up and realize the republicans and democrats work in concert. the democrats are the good cop. the republicans are the bad cop. the elite person that gets hurt -- the only people they get hurt are the american voters. the minute people start to wake up and see things as they are the democrats are warmongers, just like the republican party. you have to pay attention to look at the things they already are in lockstep on as far as economic policy. then you will be able to accept a third party. until then, people will, you know, choose their teams and keep getting played. that is held trump is even an option -- how trump is even an option. trump is what the system brought you. that is why you have a trump. you would not have a trump if both parties were serious about policies that actually help people. trump is a creation of both parties' foolishness. host: got your point. this is a tweet from robert. i would rather be nothing except independent candidates. i menti