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andrew weisman, former fbi and gentle counter council, eastern district of, new york neil katyal, former acting u.s. solicitor general and host of new podcast courtside, and national security -- chair, bradley moss. now at a rally in south carolina on saturday, here is what donald trump had to say about the united states of america versus donald trump. >> charging a former president united states under the espionage act of 1917. espionage, me! espionage -- >> andrew weissmann, can you explain to donald trump why he was charged under the espionage act? >> so, this is just a perfect example of donald trump playing sort of a shell game. he wasn't charged with murder, he wasn't charged with bank robbery, and sit there and say i wasn't charged, and being charged now with espionage, well, he's not being charged with espionage in the sense that he's a spy. the title of the statute that comprises lots of components is called the espionage act. one of the things that it criminalizes is if you improperly, knowingly, and intentionally, retain national defense information. that is part of the espion

. >> neil katyal, it does look like the manhattan trial judge is absolutely going to be set to go incorrect, and what bradley is saying i didn't say that about the ankle bracelet. anything is possible when it comes to donald trump. i am gonna be watching, lawrence, for these federal prosecutions, and sure there's a possibility of trump trying to pardon himself or squash the prosecutors down the road. these are really significant. they go to some of the most critical criminal statutes that the united states government has. and donald trump looks like he's going to be alleged to have violated them. so, i think it's really important for the country that we have that trial. and it would be in my mind an impeachable offense that donald trump did win the presidency and tried to drop these prosecutions and the appeals process just to benefit his own power. >> neal katyal and bradley moss, thank you both very much for joining us tonight. and coming up -- what happens if you watch five days of russian television nonstop? you'll find the propaganda is not just in the so-called news shows. it's

and neil katyal is back, department of justice veteran, former acting solicitor general during the obama administration, and live music enthusiast. neil, we are going to turn to you first, of course. you have argued dozens of cases before the supreme court. help us understand why the grand jury not need today? everybody was writing today's the big day, what is it telling you that they didn't need today, but they're going to meet on thursday and how should we be thinking about, is there any sort of deadline for an indictment or do we just wait and watch? >> so, you are right, i have argued all these cases and i do think, stephanie, the big difference between every case i have argued and one that we're talking about here, the potential indictment of donald trump for january six, is that, so, far there is no defense that trump is really articulated. it is all just, basically, smoke and mirrors and attacking the prosecution and the biden justice department for investigating him when biden and garland don't have anything to do with this, really. this is an independent investigation by jack sm

. >> neil katyal, is it all -- ? >> if you made his defense, yes. if you made the case against him, no, not at all, lawrence. those who have had the privilege of handling national security information, as i have, i served as national security adviser of the justice department, this is incredibly serious people risk their lives to generate this information, both american spies, intelligence, as well as our allies. the idea that you can be cavalier about it and keep it in your social club is just so antithetical to anyone who works in the space. i do not care if you are republican, democrat, independent, whatever. and then, to be asked for this with a grand jury subpoena and is undergo through moving the boxes around afterwards and hiding the documents and sending your lawyer out to say everything has been turned over when it turned out it had not and you needed to have an fbi raid of mar-a-lago to find 100 plus new classified documents, that is just a whole new level of criminal wrongdoing and there's no way our legal system can tolerate anyone, i do

. >> neil katyal, thank you as always for providing tons of clarity for all of this legal stuff we areeally appreciate it. up next, my thoughts on republicans admiration for rfk junior. after a week in which they give him a megaphone on capitol hill. congresswoman stacey plaskett spoke out forcefully against him in that hearing, she joins me live. we are back after a quick break. back after a quic break. break. shbacking you could earn on everything with just one card. chase freedom unlimited. so, if you're off the racking... ...or crab cracking, you're cashbacking. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. switch to a king suite- or book a silent retreat. silent retreat? hold up - yeeerp? i can't talk right now, i'm at a silent retreat. cashback on everything you buy with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? chase. make more of what's yours. (mom) the moment i loved our subaru outback most... how do you cashback? was the moment they walked away from it. (daughter) mom! (mom) oh, thank goodness. and that'

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solicitor general neil katyal had to say last night on msnbc. >> whether it's tomorrow or thursday asall indications are donald trump is going to get indicted. jack smith sent a target letter to donald trump last sunday. you don't do that particularly against a former president unless you're pretty sure that you got the goods. >> meanwhile, president -- the former president continues to fund-raise off of his legal trouble. in a campaign email last night, he proclaimed himself an innocent man, as you might expect, adding, quote, our country could truly use your support right now. send me some money, subtext. in anotherer, he compared the united states under president joe biden to stalinist russia and maoist china. nowhere does it say you'll be donating directly to trump's 2024 campaign. why? because as "the washington post" reports, more than half the money donald trump raised in the second quarter of this year went to footing his legal bills, not the campaign himself. he's a billionaire, asking supporters to pay his legal bills. jonathan lemire, you're in washington where everyone is

joining us now is our very own ari melber, the host of msnbc's the beat with ari melber and neil kept y'all -- neal katyal courtside with neal katyal -- ari melber and neal katyal, new to better giants than to speak -- because of your -- adverbs -- >> -- >> not generally, but in this case. >> if you are someone asked to take up the trash properly -- >> -- tonight could be end of the week. >> it could be when you get to it. it's a great question, alex, because words in the law have technical meaning sometimes, and other times they have capacious or open meetings. >> yeah. >> this is definitely the latter. it could be a minute, could be a little while, she can take her time. but i think we would expect to get this written ruling in the near term. >> what does that mean? like, this week? >> yeah, under two weeks. again, she might be on the path of really about to do it in a couple days and again, as a judge, and she can go back to chamber, she can double check something, someone can raise something. but we are not documents. we are going to get this answered. we are gonna get a real preview and i would say t