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and now herschel has some explaining to do. which he hasn't. at all.e just keeps saying the democrats are after him and is still on the road trying to make this seem like a partisan coordinated attacks. >> they'll do whatever they take, say whatever it takes, they want to seat right here. i don't think they know they woke up a bear. hey, i'm not just a dog now, i'm a bear. they got to bring more than that. >> jimmy: yeah, well, maybe you should go to planned bearenthood. [ laughter ] herschel turned attention to what's really important. >> pronouns. in our military. how do you identify in our military? this is wartimes. what happened to push-ups? sit-ups? because i can tell you right now, ain't outrunning a russian talking about pronouns. >> jimmy: he somehow managed to mispronounce all three of those countries. [ laughter ] herschel's pronouns are he and huh? [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] you know, trump has been making the rounds to support all the nuts he's backing on the midterm ballots, and the talent he's lined up for these rallies is top

herschel walker.he latest on herschel is that abortion the mother of one of his sons said he paid for, she says she had to badger him to even get the money. she says she told him, "both of us did this. we both know how babies are made." which i'm not so sure herschel does. [ laughter ] i'm not so sure herschel knows how bread is made. [ laughter ] maybe herschel doesn't know what "pro life" means. maybe he was like, "i was a pro football player, this is my life." pro life! [ laughter ] walker sat down with abc news last night where he was asked to set the record straight. >> did you ever have a conversation with this woman at any time about an abortion? >> no. >> did you ever, to your knowledge, give money to pay for the cost of an abortion? >> no. >> is she lying? >> yes, she's lying. yeah, she's lying. yes, she's lying. >> jimmy: okay, one more question. why are we in a gym? [ laughter ] why are we at planet fitness for this interview? [ laughter ] here's more. >> in this current situation, are you

but herschel walker is the one who is underperforming considerably here.and i guess candidates matter, right? i think that we talk a lot about how the divided the country is, people tend to vote along party lines. certainly, when you put kemp against herschel walker, for example, that's the same state, and you can tell that's really just an issue of candidates, wouldn't you say >> yeah, look. kemp -- there's a voter in georgia. and in georgia it's really in the atlanta suburbs, who is not nuts about joe biden, really doesn't like the democratic party, really doesn't like donald trump and kemp checks every box for them because kemp isn't a democrat. he's a conservative, but he also vouched for the 2020 election in georgia. trump said, well, that's it, that disqualifies you as governor, i'm sending in somebody to run against you in the primary. and kemp stood his ground and won the primary. and to that voter, kemp suddenly became a very attractive candidate. and somebody like herschel walker, who's much more closely aligned with donald trump, it doesn't have

herschel has properly denied the charges against him, and i have no doubt" blah, blah, blah.the daily beast" ran a story from a woman who has a check, a get-well card, and a receipt for an abortion she says herschel walker paid for. losing a seat in georgia could cost the republicans control of the senate. and so now all the bastions of family values are coming to herschel's defense. >> i think he's a remarkable person. i think he's the most important senate candidate in the country. he'll do more to change the senate by sheer presence, by his confidence, by his deep commitment to christ, by the degree to which he is -- he's been through a long, tough prayer. he had a lot of concussions coming out of football. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's the first time i've ever heard the "our candidate has brain damage" defense. [ laughter and applause ] sometimes these concussions cause abortions. you don't know what they do. [ laughter ] when newt gingrich is in your corner, you suck. [ laughter ] and then we have the mypillow guy, mike lindell, who is in serious financial trouble. he's

rose herschell and andy shreve's. robert and susan rosenbaum. the corporation for public broadcasting and for bike contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> good evening and welcome to "washington week." for the first time in our nations history of former president stands accused of trying to reverse the results of an election. former president donald trump was back in washington, this time to up in a federal courtroom and plead not guilty to charges that he tried to undermine the bedrock of american democracy -- the transfer of power. there are four felony counts, conspiring to defraud the united states. conspiring to instruct -- obstruct an official proceeding, obstructing an official proceeding and conspiring to deny american citizens the right to vote and have that vote counted. after appearing in court, trump says this is all politically motivated assault. >> this is a persecution of the person that is leading by very substantial numbers in the republican primary, and leading biden by a lot. >> that last part is

how many feet does herschel walker have? is he a centipede?d explain why he was such a good running back. with the midterms coming up, president joseph robinette biden is doing everything he can to push his party over the top. now he's reaching out to your average joe six-cylinder by playing up his car guy persona, hoping his gearhead reputation will appeal to the republican base. yes, with the fate of our nation at stake, the democrats have a plan: republicans. just last night, biden went on "jay leno's garage" hosted by jay leno and his sidekick, garage, where he and jay went for a ride in a '78 ford pickup that had been converted to all electric. >> if you just got in this and drove and didn't know it was an electric, would you know right away? does it feel different to you? >> feels different in three ways. one, it's quiet. >> right. >> quiet as hell. >> stephen: yeah, it is quiet as hell. they might want to add some sound actually. because you know what sounds dangerous? a completely silent 44-year-old truck driven by a grandpa who hasn't

the midterms are only seven days and four secret herschel walker abortions away! ] on “good morning america” today, the second woman who claims walker paid for her abortion spoke out. she says that back in 1993, he came to her house, picked her up, drove her to the clinic to have an abortion. and they say chivalry is dead. [ laughter ] the woman, who is using the name jane doe, had lots of evidence to back her story up and came across as very credible. >> he was very clear that he did not want me to have the child. and he said that -- he said that because of his wife's family and powerful people around him, that i would not be safe and that the child would not be safe. and i felt threatened. and i -- i thought i had no choice. >> i'm herschel walker and i approve this message. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: well, he's easily confused. what a good guy. herschel walker's idea of safe sex is wearing a seat belt when he drives a woman to get a pregnancy terminated. [ moans and laughter ] but still, even after all this. even after getting caught in lie after lie after lie. the

he was a rising star in the party, he did the right thing and he did not try to primary herschel walker for that senate seat because most republicans, not all, but most are still with donald trump. they are defending him on these indictments. they believe his lies about the election and there is not really a place in the party for people like jeff duncan, unfortunately. >> there is a great article that peter baker wrote in the new york times. i think we are somewhere up above 90 counts total. here is part of what he writes. it is, quote, the accumulated indictments are kind of white nose for voters. he conducts weekly focus groups with voters. he says they cannot tell the difference between georgia and jack smith because it all blows together in one long new cycle of trump in trouble. is there a way for that noise, that confusion, tim, to be pushed aside? is there something that republicans, who feel that it is time to move on, can do or say, and if so, what is it? >> yeah, there is a debate in 11 days. i think his opponents will have a chance to do this. there is no evidence any of the

herschel walker at the moment is at about 179.-warnock, republican-democrat, or just kemp and left town, left the voting booth. >> stephen: when you came out here, where did that race stand? because when i came out here to start the show, it was 0.4 of 1%, with neither candidate having 50%. >> john: that's exactly right. and you've also -- so neither has 50%. and they may not. chase oliver, the third person running, has 2% of the vote, may make this a runoff. if it's a runoff, that means december 6 there will be another election. >> stephen: just like last time. >> john: yes, just like last time. and then what could happen is if we get to basically the republicans and democrats get what they need, basically the entire control of the senate could come down to georgia. the entire political world between now and december 6th could move to georgia, and that race between just warnock and walker could be what it all comes down to for control of the senate. and then everything will go bonkers. >> stephen: well, on that bonkers note, we'r

and you want to try to change the direction of the country, this is the year you'll want to run herschelr has already beaten warnock in georgia in the polls. adam laxalt is already ahead of cortez masto by four points in nevada we will beat kelly in arizona. i think we'll win new hampshire. >> am i crazy to think that the republicans could win a senate seat in vermont in 2022? >> you're not crazy. >> seth: you know, if you really want to know whether or not you're crazy, maybe don't ask rick scott [ laughter ] "if you ask me, all of you earth people are crazy." [ laughter ] also, just in general, when you start a sentence with "am i crazy" on fox news, the answer is almost always yes it would make a great title for most of their shows. although in fairness, saying the words "i am crazy" is a pretty good indication that you are, no matter where you say it. for example, right now there are a bunch of jets fans sitting around saying, "am i crazy or are we going to win the super bowl this year?" and, look, the jets are good i'm not denying that but that doesn't mean they're not still the jet

we can't have a herschel walker moment, where you nominate a perfect primary candidate to run into a have! only two democrats in offices be in senate seats because of that issue. >> you're not bitter at all. >> it's been a minute since i heard a herschel walker moment. >> but joe biden is beatable. uhat's not just i'm a republican. he's beatable because the polling says so. there's nobody on either side of the aisle to explain some of the policies and conversations he's having. he's 80 years old going on 90 that's an issue for democrats to defend. unless we take that argument to them, we're going toxx lose. and this should be a winnable period of time for us. >> but to your point, it's about a general election. they need to have credibility with a general electorate. that's what's going to come down to. you have to have a reality base debate. >> thank you, all. we'll keep talking. >>> donald trump will surrender later today. we're going to take you live to the fulton county jail to talk about how this is going to happen. >>> and the leader whosÑ launch a rebellion in russia is presum

and herschel has a share of the lead. >>> the giantings giants and a's underway, we'll have a recap on the late night show, but the pitcher anthony disclifani won't throw for six to eight weeks and is likely out for the season. >>> really nice of sport producer justin williams to make me read this script. the red sox are bad at base running, and this is on full display. where are you going? he's halfway to home, the ball caught on the warning track. the sox were threatening. he had no clue what's going on. doubled up, ends the game, and the sox rally is over. >> giants fans know all about that. we had dubon on for awhile. >> oh! >> enlighten me, don't they still have a >>> finally tonight, or this afternoon. dogs shredding the waves in pacifica. trainers keeping a close eye on the four legged surfers. >> and they say the important thing about dog surfing is having trust. the annual event has been going on since 2016, and a portion of the profits from the competition will be going towards the peninsula humane society and rocket dog rescue. >> look at that guy! >> yeah, no ♪ >>> tonight,

the words around in post [ laughter ] problem solved in a new interview, georgia senate candidate herschelr says that he has a better resume than former president barack obama really it's better than former president barack obama [ laughter ] the only thing your resume has and his doesn't is typos [ laughter ] cnn released a new poll yesterday that suggests democrats may be facing enthusiasm problem ahead of next week's midterm elections, which explains this year's stickers. [ laughter ] former president trump is reportedly considering the two-week stretch after the midterm elections as a window to formally announce that he's running for president in 2024. oh, right before thanksgiving? awesome. are you also going to announce that aunt lisa and her friend aren't just roommates? [ laughter ] elon musk tweeted yesterday, "being attacked by both right and left simultaneously is a good sign. for example, it could mean you're the president [ laughter ] spacex this week launched its falcon heavy, which is the most powerful rocket in the world but i don't know how safe it is considering spacex is

three times now, twice in the runoffs, recently with herschel walker, what we have seen is donald trump'storic has held republicans back in georgia, have sunk three different senate campaigns. moving forward in 2024, if you are brian kemp, you don't want that to happen again, and that is why you are holding the line. it is advantageous for them in a paradoxical way. as you said, other republicans have been penalized. but to go along with donald trump here would be admitting your own and competence, where it does not exist. >> i you are looking ahead to the possibility of a trial, what would you be looking for in terms of what prosecutors may present in terms of evidence, witness testimony and so on? >> which one? if it the georgia trial, i'm fascinated by what the co-defendants said. as we pointed out, we lawyers are to be not held accountable. it is probably good that they were a part of this conspiracy, so i'm fascinated to hear the evidence regarding rudy giuliani or the other attorneys that were charged here. as an attorney myself, i'm fascinated to see them actually being held accoun

senate herschel walker went down in defeat to raphael warnock.ead matchup with ron desantis. it shows that ron desantis is nowhere close to striking distance to donald trump in georgia, but at the same time, it also shows, well, what it doesn't show is where middle of the road georgia voters sit. this is likely republican voters, and we have seen a defection of a lot of middle of the road, swing independent voters who used to vote traditionally for republicans in georgia, but in the trump era, they no longer are. that's the block of voters that could decide this election. >> senior white house officials have long said georgia would be the hardest state to keep to win again this time around. they think it would be harder if it were not donald trump atop the ticket, greg, but certainly right now, all indications are that it will be trump again as the republican nominee. in that hypothetical, let's say those poll numbers hold, and trump sweeps through georgia and he's the gop standard bearer again. what do you think happens for governor kemp and sec

cheers and applause] obama also spoke down in georgia where he went after republican senate candidate herschelre in a stadium filled with his secret children. [laughter] obama made the case against walker. >> in college, he was amazing. one of the best running backs of all time. but here's the question: does that make him the best person to represent you in the u.s. senate? and by the way, the opposite is true, too. you may have liked me as president, but you would not want me starting as tailback for the dogs. >> stephen: respectfully, sir, you'd be terrible at any position, especially quart quarterback. look, look -- blue, blue -- oh. 42. omaha. hold on, hold on. hold on. hut. [laughter] [cheers and applause] oh, there is big news out of brazil. big news from your home country right there. negah santos right there. okay, it's in the presidential race between far right incumbent and guy who won't stop complementing your open toed sandals. jair bolsonaro and left his former president and cowboy describing his missing head, louise. he's known for embracing fascism, intentionally let the coronav

not just in pennsylvania but in michigan, arizona, herschel walker in arizona. the path is clear to everyone that trump is making losing great again. as long as the party continues to simply defend the former president and embrace him, they are empowering him and thereby lowering their ability to win. they all know it. >> but tim, aren't they buxton? they are in a very difficult position. donald trump has absolute control over that maga base which you need to win a primary. but, it can't go beyond that, in the general charlie laid out the last several elections. >> well, when you have a group of people, and i've never seen anything like this in my political career, my life, that lacks courage, there is very few charlie dense, chris christie, what months and months and years later has found a backbone, there is nobody that has the intestinal fortitude to take him on within the republican party, at any significant level. so you get the kevin mccarthy's of the world who are sick of fans who want to keep their position, they are concerned about the portrait and, you

herschel walker. i'm not sure what he's doing tonight. amy mcgrath, tim miller, great to see both.ons to your daughter on her first day of kindergarten. tough day for you. >> thank you. >> when we come back [sigh] we have to take a deep breath on this one, as the heartbreaking search efforts in hawaii are picking up speed, we're going to get a rare look from the burn zone, when the 11th hour continues. you need to see this. please stick around. please stick around. and weak enamel. sensodyne sensitivity gum & enamel relieves sensitivity, helps restore gum health, and rehardens enamel. i'm a big advocate of when nature and science get together... pretty sweet things can happen. like our senokot laxative gummies. to relieve occasional constipation, senokot starts with the natural senna plant that science transforms into a yummy gummy! sweet! senokot laxative gummies. >> the last thing before we go tonight, a desperate search. the death toll in maui has climbed to 106 lives lost. but there are an estimated 1300 still missing, and that grim number is still to rise. our mcgill almaguer

he lost by a wider margin that a whole bunch of other loser republicans, from herschel walker to david perdue to kelly loeffler and martha mcsally. you never hear about those people anymore. you know why? because they were losers. they last. so no one cares what they think about politics. donald trump got his butt kicked way harder than they did. this is why donald trump's big lie is so important. along with the cult of personality surrounding him, it's key to understanding this phenomenon, the politics of this moment. the vehemence with which come service still insist the 2020 election was rigged, it protects them from this reckoning. there's no way the american people actually chose joe biden as their president. he never left his basement. it's kind of psychological defense mechanism. they don't want to accept that the man they are so devoted to is a loser. and deeper down i think it's also an expression of a believe the people voted for joe biden aren't the real americans. they don't really count. the mogul folks are the ones that should be running the fan the country, even if they'

where candidate after candidate, maga loony after maga loony, kari lake, herschel walker, all the electionasically lost, and they lost because january 6th changed the narrative about how we thought about those events and how we think about donald trump and the maga movement. >> and then it goes to the tricky position that democrats have been in during this period of rising authoritarian hate in america. on the one hand, everybody knows there's political disputes. no party is perfect. on the other hand, the party that is trying to actually hold the line on democracy or not allowing violent thugs to intimidate and hijack as someone just mentioned, poll workers and others, is also seen by some portion of the population as you're just doing itause it also benefits your side. it's both, right? you just mentioned, midterm fizzle of the republicans may very well be for those reasons, and yet at the same time, speaker pelosi chose to navigate that. i'm curious your shoe on that now that we have so much data on that. do we get here without speaker pelosi's choices about when to really fight? >> no,

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if he endorsed someone -- >> like herschel walker?correct, i, mean for the most part and help these people -- >> doctor oz? >> they lost, but yeah. >> jason, where you are now governor desantis shirt? >> shawn from the rest of the people outside? >> there were desantis supporters there. she was for desantis. she said donald trump was number two. she wanted him to take a step back and be a kingmaker. if you look at the track record, he lost georgia twice. and lost pennsylvania maybe by picturing doctor oz, he is not really as much as a -- kingmaker as a loser maker. it doesn't have the same ring to it. >> for those of us that actually live on planet earth, those of us that actually have some sanity, i am serious when i ask you this, jason, i know there's a lot of laughter and humid the cars out of what you do. i will give you guys credit. you don't mock the people you interview. you're very deadpan. you ask straight questions. you cannot guarantee the answers that come. i want context for our viewers. i want them to understand that whe

we saw herschel walker, the trump endorsed football star running for u.s. senate and fall to rafael warnock. >> if trump's on the ticket next year that president biden's got a good shot at again and ends up somehow being not trump. greg, lastly and quickly, you mention the d.a. wants to do this in six months. just people you talk to how realistic is that it can move that quickly? >> we're going to start seeing motions from donald trump's legal team almost immediately trying to delay that process and trying to move it to federal court. so it might not be realistic, but you never know, we'll see. so many other trials are already on the schedule over the next few months, so donald trump has got his work cut out for him. >> we'll be really seeing a future where donald trump is shuttling from courthouse to rally site to courthouse, extraordinary moment. we've certainly never been here before. political reporter for the atlanta journal, we'll talk to you again later on "morning joe." >>> still ahead here on "way too early" we have much, much more on this latest i

determine control of the senate, so the georgians will have to come up with a new reason to vote for herschelm it will be "he's my dad." [laughter and applause] what are you going to do? now the republicans failed to take back the senate, they are rolling up their sleeves and coming together to pick a scapegoat and hurl them from an elevator shaft. right now knives are up for senate minority leader and clinically depressed putting mitch mcconnell and florida senator and newly discovered cave fish rick scott. [laughter] republican candidates are mad at mcconnell for not telling the voters with the g.o.p. would do if they got control of the senate. they are even madder at rick scott for telling voters what they would do if they got control of the senate. specifically scott talked about cutting social security and medicare, which resulted in scaring older voters and rick scott is not supposed to be scaring older voters. he is supposed to be scaring harry potter and his meddling friends! [applause] [gibberish] most shocking of all, some of the g.o.p. claim is going to the person who actually dese

you know who said it, was herschel walker, and i'm not sure what he's doing tonight.lations to your daughter on her first day of kindergarten. tough day for you. >> thank you. >> when we come back, we will take a deep breath on this one, as the heartbreaking search efforts in hawaii are picking up speed, we are going to get a rare look from the burned zone when the 11th hour continues. you need to see this. please stick around. please stick around. rsv is in for a surprise. meet arexvy. ( ♪♪ ) the first fda-approved rsv vaccine. arexvy is used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. arexvy is proven to be over 82% effective in preventing lower respiratory disease from rsv and over 94% effective in those with these health conditions. ( ♪♪ ) arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue,

what then stacey abrams lost, and i was like, what and then the race between raphael warnock and herschels too close to call, and i was like, what for the first time, i was like maybe there is voter fraud because there is no way someone would want to give this man an ounce of power if you put this man in charge of georgia, he's only going to get it pregnant, take it to another state, and get it an abortion. [ laughter ] oh, no i'm too late aw that's at least six months right there. and then even though she's the one who made him famous, oprah said to not vote for dr. oz, and i was like what? girl, she created him, and then he lost his mind, so she had to stop him so, remember, don't call him winfrey. call him winfrey's monster [ laughter ] then i found out that 25-year-old maxwell frost got elected to congress, and i was like, "go ahead, gen z, what-what? and he was like, "no one says what-what anymore. and i was like, "okay, dang, children." then i heard the gop is turning away from trump, and i was like, what but then i found out that they're turning towards ron desantis, and i was like

and the, and the most recent election there was herschel walker who ran for senate or yes and and lost and then they the dr. oz who had a lot of celebrity and he also lost so but they got that far and they got they'll get pretty far just on that basis and that and with no necessarily any experience in public service or any policies that anybody care about. yeah i mean trump you know, i mean no one knew him outside of new york until he got on a celebrity apprentice. it's celebrity apprentice. and and people watched that for eight or ten years. i never saw an episode of. but, you know tens of millions of people, apparently watched it. and and it yeah, it created it's weird. i know. i agree. next next next. how are you? i am actually a young filmmaker working on a project right now in west virginia. and a lot of the stories that i hear from local celebrities in quotation are very good but they're not necessarily true. and it's pretty obvious in some cases when they're not true. so as somebody who interviewed elizabeth taylor, somebody who's interviewed all these, you know, stalwarts of th

herschel walker, another one of those? >> yeah.es of marjorie taylor greene start losing. >> but they do. they're already losing. >> well, i know. but look, marjorie taylor greene, look, i hear that she might run as trump's running mate. that's great. please put on full display the entire ignorance of the republican movement, the lack of conviction, the willingness to go for hatred. at the same time you don't want her in a position of power because the danger that she and others creates to the future of the country, particularly for marginalized community. so look, brian kemp is an intriguing one. he has been a republican on policy and ideology and offending marginalized communities, black and brown georgians and that should be talked about. but he also confronted donald trump in a very straight forward way and said, no, the election wasn't stolen and he survived. but that makes him a unicorn in today's republican party not the future of it. >> i don't know if people understand how extreme it is. could marjorie green get the nomina

flipping the state blue, and fast forward to 2022, the senate runoffs, senator warnock defeated herschel walker by nearly 100,000 votes. last night, historian jon meacham offered this warning to gop leaders. >> the only way to fix the republican party is to have it continue to lose. and that is really, really hard. but i genuinely believe that it will be the ballot that convinces republicans in the end that they have to do something about this flight from reason, and this flight toward a one-man our way or the highway ethos. >> i wonder if you agree with that, jennifer rubin, the idea that, really, they are going to have to be defeated at the ballot box to begin recalibrating and reconsidering what they have done here. >> i do. i think the denial is so great, the self delusion is so great, that even if he is indicted in all these places -- and even if he is convicted in some of these places -- republicans are going to insist that he is innocent, that this is all a plot, that he is a martyr, that he is being persecuted. and so he, in all likelihood, will it be the gop nominee, and once he

that where the subjects of the government motion for this, what's known as our garcia hurrying, or herschelearing, different words for the same thing. which is a hearing in front of the judge, where she will decide, first of, all will appoint independent counsel, in the witnesses and defendants can decide, but she ultimately may have to make the decision, as to whether there's a fatal conflict. so, woodward in this case, actually agreed, as he had to, that there should be such a hearing. what he then did was went on offense. and said, actually, the remedy here, because it's for the judge to decide what the appropriate remedy is, and she has a host of possible remedies at her disposal. what he said, mr. woodward, is, don't get me off this case. don't get conflict council in this case. no. preclude the testimony of these witnesses. >> yuscil taveras. throw out, yuscil taveras is the central witness in the superseding indictment, andrew. >> on the obstruction piece. >> on the obstruction piece. >> that is a huge deal, effectively, that a trump paid for lawyer, i gotta keep saying, that someone

be the voters of my devoted for governor brian kemp and other republicans, but did not vote for herschel backed candidate last. eric did not vote for trump in 2020. and that, to me, that is the most consequential and significant block of voters out there, because fatal side of the 2020 election. they decided the 2021 election. they decided the 2022 election, and there might not be many of them, but there's enough that they can swing the 2024 vote here in georgia. >> and craig, the republican white house judiciary committee, that launched a probe into georgia's election interference case against trump, is very similar to what they did after trump was indicted in new york. that was ca fani willis reacting to that request for her to turn over all the documents related disinvested a shun? >> we haven't heard much from her office on this particular probe yet. we expect her office to cooperate at some, point especially for a federal subpoena, but look, this is part and parcel of a number of efforts of trump's allies to undermine her investigation. this comes as no surprise to fani willis, that

georgia that got blown out of the water, and then in the key senate race with raphael running against herschel trump-backed opponent, warnock won, and democrats maintained control of the senate. so there is already a track record of georgia voters willing to move on from donald trump. and brian kemp is the case in point. he has been beating the drum. anybody who focuses on 2020 instead of 2024 is not going to have a good time. so, with this trial, you have the potential for not just in georgia, other states where trump and his allies tried to overturn the election, looking at this televised trial of rehashing what happened when trump tried to overturn the election, heading into the 2024 election. you might see these other swing states not buying what trump is selling, based on a little bit of ptsd from the last election. geoff: i wanna ask you about a late breaking development here where mark meadows, the former white house chief of staff, has filed a request to move this case to federal court. what are the merits of that request as you see it? guest: as i understand it, that is an argument wh

herschel should abandon control.r >> welcome back to the program . >> welcome back to the program. still to come today, lots more for you, including could killing cash kill your finances ? well, cash kill your finances? well, the influential federation of small businesses has backed our campaign for don't kill cash amid concerns card companies could be monopolising the shift. >> animal rights activists have hit out at gary lineker after he modelled a suit made from a conch herschel wall . bothered by conch herschel wall. bothered by that mohair. >> yeah, mohair is apparently cruel. well, i wasn't aware of this, but we will be debating that in the next hour. send in your thoughts. vaiews@gbnews.com . vaiews@gbnews.com. >> some of you got some good ideas for my crown which has come off. ron says he's had a couple of crowns come off. my dentist told me to use vaseline to put it back in as a temporary fix and it works . fix and it works. >> x is that a ronseal ? oh, what >> x is that a ronseal? oh, what i did very good,

crime desk, if you have a graphic to put up, i'm going to show you just one of them, and this is herschelre [ laughter ] so, we're watching these races vance was one. i believe they -- early on, they were taking it, taking vance, and i think they just didn't put any injection, because he totally overran the algorithm. we're watching these races, and it's like, real-time crime i call it a "crime spike." and then you get these crime spikes >> seth: jesus, dude mike lindell is the only guy i can think of who would get cut off at starbucks [ laughter ] "sir, i think you've had enough macchiatos let me call you a cab. "no, thanks. i'll just fly home." [ laughter ] real-time crime line he's like mcgruff if someone put meth in his kibble [ laughter ] here's a pretty good way to track how well the democrats are doing. the better the night they have, the more incoherent mike lindell gets in 2020, lindell was like, "there's fraud in the machines." very simple. now that republicans, and specifically, trump, have gotten crushed again. he's spitting out and vomiting a bunch of meaningless nonsense at

and you believe and the fact that you believe that even a contra herschel that is even a contra herschelleft have gone down. the rabbit hole of denialism and delusion. well, i mean, look, controversy doesn't denote. >> right. wrong. controversy >> right. or wrong. controversy is reaction and clearly, is by the reaction and clearly, it have very it would have been a very dangerous thing. >> what's woman where is this >> what's a woman where is this going? what's woman ? but what is going? what's woman? but what is that? what woman ? that? what is a woman? >> well, i'm sat next to two. i know what's the definition of a woman? well don't what woman? well i don't know. what are getting at? i don't know. >> no, just such a simple question. what's woman? >> no, just such a simple quelsion. what's woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it]. what's woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it a what's woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it a biologicalat's woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it a biological thing woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it a biological thing forman? >> is it a

i hate to keep picking on the guy because i've done it for a while now, but it creates a herschel walker moment where you create this primary candidate that is an impossible win in the general. there's not a single person that was with donald trump in 2016, turned their nose up to him in 2020, walked away from him that's looking at this video of the fourth indictment, 91 total indictments and saying you know what i was wrong about this guy, i'm going to come back into the fold and vote for him so i'm going to write him a check and support him. so the guy winning today is joe biden. he's probably on the beach out west or somewhere out west eating an ice-cream cone again today, giving a press conference that's eight words long. >> just in terms of the actual cases what is the next -- what's next on the calender? >> well, here you have a september 5th, i think, arraignment where you get all of these people back in the fulton county courthouse and then they start to go through motions. >> so two big motions. there's a motion we talked about the speedy trial date. how many people are going to

just like herschel walker was the wrong candidate. this is so easy to see coming. we can't just try to win primaries. we've got to win generals. >> but do you believe this is -- this would be the fourth indictment if trump's name is on that list of ten indictments. do you believe this is a moment that crystallizes that for your party? it doesn't seem like the others have, at least not for the republican primary voters? >> yeah. this one feels different, right? i think, you know, i'm anxious to see the indictment. it sounds like there's ten-plus folks that are going to be mentioned in this indictment. i think there's going to be a lot of story behind that, who got indicted, who didn't get indicted, who maybe cut a deal, which lemts they indicted, what crimes. there's going to be a lot to be had here. this feels different. you know, what donald trump did his most damage in georgia. he sucked the soul out of the republican party here. he sucked the morality out of the republican party, the fiscal responsibility out of the republican party. he sucked our winning percen

and you believe and the fact that you believe that even a contra herschel that is even a contra herschelft have gone down. the rabbit hole of denialism and delusion. well, i mean, look, controversy doesn't denote. >> right. wrong. controversy >> right. or wrong. controversy is reaction and clearly, is by the reaction and clearly, it have very it would have been a very dangerous thing. >> what's woman where is this >> what's a woman where is this going? what's woman ? but what is going? what's woman? but what is that? what woman ? that? what is a woman? >> well, i'm sat next to two. i know what's the definition of a woman? well don't what woman? well i don't know. what are getting at? i don't know. >> no, just such a simple question. what's woman? >> no, just such a simple quelsion. what's woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it]. what's woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it a what's woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it a biologicalat's woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it a biological thing woman? >> no, just such a simple queis it a biological thing forman? >> is it a bi

and they voted for warnock for re-election over herschel walker. >> charlie, i'm so glad you're here,onsin and somebody from atlanta that can draw the lines, right, a lot of those people, like my son's republican friends, several probably didn't vote for joe biden, they wrote in somebody or didn't vote at all which reminds me of what ron johnson said, caught on tape, no it wasn't rig, you look at donald trump and joe biden's vote i think he said there were 56,000 undervotes, republicans voted for everyone else they just let the presidential line unmarked, that is the republican party's biggest challenge if donald trump wins the nomination, republicans aren't going to vote for joe biden, a lot of them aren't, they're just not going to vote. >> you can see this can in the milwaukee suburbs i mean the trump secretary twofold, number one, you have an erosion in the suburbs and you have this massive explosion of turnout in liberal areas, you know joe biden may not be the most charismatic figure and this's concern, are the voters motivate snd democrats don't need much more motivation than d

. >> look at herschel -- brian kemp in that same election beat the brakes over stacey abrams with the same voters, with the same machines, i might add, and important to say the same mention in the context of this indictment. geoff, you have the former president in miss motorcade. we under the circumstances from kristen's reporter that jason miller, saying when our research and legal team can't bac t claims, yocan see why rear 0-32 on the case. yet he's with trump today defending him. >> it makes you wonder how long he's going to stay or if he's going to stay. he may be called as a witness in this trial. it would be strange for him now helping out with the campaign, but this is what happened. all these people around trump were telling him the truth about what was happening in the election, that he had lost the election. so he kind of had to go outside to what mike pence referred to as the crackpot lawyers and others to find people who were willing to say, okay we're willing to pretend this is a fraud and disinformation, and see what we can do with it. the people around him were telling

they did it with those two senate races, they did it again and stayed home when donald trump tapped herschelnd appointed candidate in '22 so we've seen this time and time again, republicans in the state of georgia, again, not going left, just not going toward trump and the impact has been devastating, especially to republicans in the united states senate. >> look, if the first three indictments, if donald trump somehow could delude himself into believing he can bluster his way through the first three indictments and treat them like "new york post" headlines maybe he can delude himself and sit in a wonderland all alone, a wizard surrounded by sycophants. georgia's voters are different and things just got real for the former president on a number of levels. let's bring in nbc news correspondent blayne alexander who joins us live from outside the fulton county courthouse. you've been following this investigation from the start. what can you tell us about the terms of surrender? >> reporter: well, mika, we know that right now nothing is off the table. you heard the d.a. last night basically say

do you remember benetton in the 80s and 90s where they had these very contrary herschel adverts, youmarketeer or pr would say, look, let's pr person would say, look, let's be ultra controversial. we'll get a bit of flak for a few weeks, but then ultimately people will remember our brand. so i think there's a lot of disingenuousness about this. >> isn't there danger >> karl isn't there a danger this backfire as this could backfire as a business model that actually people russell will say, people like russell will say, hang don't want a hang on a minute, i don't want a shot politics with coffee. shot of politics with my coffee. i want my coffee. i just want my coffee. >> yeah, i agree. and i think it goes down the brand dna. goes back to down the brand dna. i for example, on i think it's, for example, on the the topic of coffee, the on the topic of coffee, i mean, where does that brand itself have the jurisdiction to comment on kind of comment on those kind of concerns? very concerns? i think it's very admirable that kind of want admirable that they kind of want to support in that way.