i think the president was getting more than just talking to al sharpton. he was talking to the governor. he was talking to congressmen. on top of that he sent his top law enforcement officer to the region to create some sort of stability and some sort of white house response. so to say that he just relied on al sharpton's eyes, i don't think that's a true story at all. i think he relied on a lot of eyes and a lot of intelligence. not to mention the fbi was on the ground, we already had

reverend al sharpton had some thoughts on that earlier.et's listen. >> michael brown does not want to be remembered for a riot. he wants to be remembered as the one that made america deal with how we're going opolice in the united states. [cheering and applause] >> this is not about you. >> so this sight here in ferguson, that will always be remembered, a place where people will visit for years to come. and like reverend al sharpton said, what will be the legacy of michael brown? not sure yet but we do know this: that for every wednesday for the next month or so a grand jury will meet. we've learned the grand jury makeup and it is interesting. seven men five women. all the facts are not out there but we certainly know that this is a community that is about to heal and they want the message to spread across america, michael. >> robert ray if from ferguson. three members of the grand jury are black, only three members of the police force in ferguson are black. thanks for watching, al jazeera america. >> hello and welcome i'm phil torres here

starting at $419 a month. >>> in the back of the book segment tonight, al sharpton and president obamaeport in politico reveals sharpton has amazingly become the president's go-to man on race relation. maybe it shouldn't be that surprising considering how warmly the president's treated sharpton in the past. >> thank you to your leader, reverend al sharpton. give him a big round of applause. [ applause ] >> the politico report goes onto say that top white house officials have even been using sharpton for on-the-ground intelligence for ferguson after demonstrations broke out over the shooting of michael brown. so how did a man like al sharpton apparently get in so good with president obama? joining me now with reaction fox news contributor daneen barelli. how did al sharpton gain such a status he's in with the president of the united states? >> what's ironic is the fact obama wanted nothing to do with al sharpton in 2008 when he was running for president because he is a polarizing force. al sharpton is a known race baiter. you look at his timeline what has happened. he went into ferguson

of al sharpton then and now. everybody's entitled to change their image if they want. i mean, that was a very -- he was convicted of defamation in that case. and then the duke case he stuck up for the woman who claimed she was raped. and that was proven to be not true. he was also close to trayvon martin's family. that trial did not end up going their way. i wonder because of this track record, richard, why frankly this family would want him to be involved at all. >> well, listen. i think you can pick out the wins and losses from the reverend's record if you want to. you can also talk about how he sbral, talking about this case with mike brown. at the end of the day this young man was unarmed and shot six times by a police officer. and i think what the family's demanding and what the reverend's demanding and all the protesters in missouri are demanding, let's bring this to trial. let's put the facts out and see what really happened. >> that's actually separate from what we're talking about right now. >> right. >>

york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov >>> perm story segment tonight, as mentioned al sharpton will be speaking at the funeral of michael brown held monday in missouri. before he gets there, sharpton will be leading antipolice rally here in new york city on saturday. lynch patrick of the. >> eric gardner, african-american man killed by police, after a struggle it was low level beef. it was similar to ferguson in the sense that the grievance industry led by sharpton is trying to sell that all the cops in new york city are out to get black men. do i have it about right? >> that's exactly what he is trying to sell. trying to take this rally and take this tragedy to build his own, he is marketing himself. is he taking a tragedy and trying to raise his profile as he always does. but what he is also trying to do is take due process away from new york city police officer that's accused in this case. all we are saying is base all decisions on the facts, not the emotion on the street. >> same thing we are doing in ferguson. now there is a a grand jury investigating. and if mr. gardner w

but al sharpton does not -- >> how can you bring that up? >> how can i not?redibility is distraction. this is distraction from getting the real facts in case there was wrongdoing here. >> i don't think it's distraction because the fbi is out there doing their job. the justice department is out there doing their job. i guess the local police officers are out there doing their job. these peaceful protests as the family asked for and sharpton and jackson are saying should be the case, are more than fair. >> jesse jackson saying state execution, you had al sharpton calling michael brown who my heart goes out to the family, called him a gentle giant, not even knowing any of the facts. can i finish? not even knowing any of the facts of the case. none of us really know what happened, andrea. and this is really a big mess that's taken place now. and jesse jackson and al sharpton have inserted themselves. >> well, eric holder met with the victim's family before he had any idea of the facts. >> yeah. >> it's a tragedy. >> he's an activist. >> wait, wait, wait. he's not

there would be no al sharpton in ferguson. there would be no nothing in ferguson. because, the civil reality establishment and white liberals look the other way when black people kill black people. if george zimmerman were black, we wouldn't even know the name trayvon martin. the justice department and you alluded to this. the justice department says about 13% of america is black. 49% of the homicides are committed by blacks and over 90% of the black people who are killed are killed by other black people. so, while i am not saying that all cops are angels and some cops do harbor racial animus, when it comes to crime, bill, when it comes to crime, it isn't bad cops that's plaguing black america. that's not the problem. it isn't bad cops. it's black people killing other black people. that's plaguing black america and the al sharpton. >> black people in the south side of chicago know that and are screaming for help. and mayor immanuel and the police chief don't know what to do. but the media inflames this story, bernie. as i said, the media is terrified, terrified, st

>> it was a very sad day but the tone of al sharpton was way off pitch. he took an anti-police tone. it's not the way i would have eulogized. this is not about a problem of splitsing. sharpton still don't know the facts of this and the truth of the matter is more blacks are being gunned down by other blacks. it's not police killing blacks, it's black killing blacks. i think al sharpton would have really wowed the crowd if he stuck to the legacy of michael brown if he took a more positive and realistic message about the lack of fathers and what effect that's having on young black men and women. the breakdown of the american family isn't just in the black community either. it's in the white community, hispanic community. this is a nationwide problem. sharpton and others don't want to talk about that. they don't want to talk about reality. they want to talk about messages that will pad their pockets. >> this is al sharpton's emmys. he chases cameras like bill clinton chases women. michael brown's father called for a day of silence, which i thought was great.

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to the point about al sharpton, it's interesting. it shows al sharpton is not only making trouble, but the media helps him make trouble. you say the things that al sharpton says and you get a show on television. you say the things that i say about personal responsibility and black behavior, and you might get on "hannity" panel. which i appreciate. >> wow. wow. good night everybody. we'll see ya. >> my point is that the media continues to go back to the same individuals to speak on behalf of the black community. they're helping make the problem worse by continuing to run to the al sharptons and the jesse jacksons to speak on behalf of blacks. >> you're raising a great point. one of the reasons i started doing the audience shows is because of the woman behind you. one day me, deneen and her husband had a conversation about the treatment of black conservatives in america. i think it was some of the best shows we've ever done. because you can say anything you want about a black conservative. you can call him any name, uncle tom, traitor,

i don't consider al sharpton an activist?onsider him an ibs city gator of race wars and racial tensions in america. he did this with tawana brawly way back in the '80s. this is what he does. the crazy thing about it is msnbc has now given him a show and he tries to come off as an objective journalist and he's anything but. as you mentioned -- >> do you think he comes off as a journalist? i don't think he would say a journalist. >> why should he have a show -- i don't think he should be called a journalist. i don't think he should be called a civil rights advocate. he hasn't advocated for peace and justice in over three decades, brian. >> a couple of things here. first, al sharpton, whether we like him or not, and i happen to like him, he's certainly an activist. that's what he does. any definition of activist he fits whether you like his level or type of activism is a different conversation. al sharpton would not argue he was objective journalist. i think he's somehow failing to live up to a level of journalism. he's no diffe

chris grad di, you cut your vacation short to bash al sharpton? go back on vacation. back on vacation. your performance was shameful. sorry you can't sorry you can't handle it. willie smith, monroe, willie smith, monroe, louisiana. al al sharpton is a great leader. well, you're well, you're entitled to your opinion, opinion, willie, but obviously i think you're think you're misguided. great leaders encourage great leaders encourage folks to solve problems by solve problems by uniting them. daniel vaughan, daniel vaughan, bill, as a police officer i police officer i sincerely want to thank you for to thank you for exposing what sharpton's been sharpton's been saying. if the black community if the black community really wants wants peace, getting rid of sharpton should be sharpton should be their first move. mike green, mike green, o'reilly, glad to see you come down see you come down on sharpton, however it was not however it was not long ago you gave him gave him a stage on "the factor" that never sat well with me. eventually he eventually he reverted back to dishonest

al sharpton is al sharpton. we all know about that. it doesn't help. the other hand, i have a feeling this is a bigger story that perhaps we want it to be. there's been frustration building up. there always is. the summertime is the worst time to have these. >> bob, before we go, greg, do you want to weigh in on this one? >> i was going to say, al sharpton's goal is to raise tension, because that expands his power and influence. that's his career. he somehow becomes the czar of racial division. by having him over at the white house so often, it gave him a greater stature. iñ division.he czar ofç >> you said earlier if the community had changed from a predominantly white community to a black community. 90% of the police force is white. are you saying the police force should reflect more accurately -- >> i don't think you can take cops out of their jobs. they put time in, they're moving up. but what happened in prince georges county is the same thing. the black community, i think they were reflective on the police department. >> does it go the other way,

>> bill o'reilly has a message for al sharpton. if sharpton doesn't listen, ferguson will never be able to heal. >> new details in the california school shooting plot which police stopped in the early stages. the two unnamed teenagers accused of planning to shoot up a school stopped. they charged him with threatening to kill another boy after telling them about their plot. the teens deny it. they caught the teenagers after discovering their plot on-line. >> convicted boyfriend killer jody arias giving more time to fight for her life. acting as her own lawyer arias asked the judge to delay her sentencing retrial saying she is having trouble interviewing witnesses from prison. >> in 2013 the judge agreed arias brutally killed alexander but could not agree on her punishment life in prison or the death penalty. the judge giving her an extra three weeks before jury selection. >>> the crisis getting worse in west africa. the death toll now topping more than 1300. >> another ebola scare on u.s. soil. this time a patient being treated at t

he's got no credibility as far as i'm concerned. >> wise for the white house to be contacting al sharpton asking opinion on race, especially when you think, i don't know if president obama, eric holder, ferguson, you know, ground zero seems to be sharpton on all the issues. >> al sharpton's so skinny now, all he eats are his words. >> a jab. >> thank you. i was working on that while you were talking. i had to get it out there. could be a couple things. one, sharpton's good at pr and good at self-promotion, and he's established good relations with the white house, and so whoever -- that's just kind of how it works, whoever then is the closest to them is providing information, and they think he's helpful, then i guess he gets to have that voice in the room. i think they are better served for the african-american who serves in the administration. there's pastors around america i think would be a better guide than reverend sharpton. >> interesting you bring up the pastors. there's been a few on the network over the last couping weeks, and if you ask them, where do you stand? they are reluctan

like reverend al sharpton says, we need to be at congress with our hand raised. there's a problem with race relations, communities of colour and the police, and someone has to do something about it. let this brown death be the start of conversation and change. like i was telling you during the break. i don't like when they say we need more diversity training. we need to diversify the police department. that's what we need to do. every department gets diversity trained. we have the same issues, how about diversifying the men and women and bringing minorities that is compassionate towards the community and we have better understanding on how the police work. >> and in the final minutes of the broadcast, where do we go from here. >> the first thing we need to do is make sure we have transparency, that there's no missteps in this investigation. but the gun incident in new york city, and this in st louis, the entire country is looking at this. there can't be steps. if we do this right, we can move forward. >> will there be justice? >> i pray that there'll be justice.

so you may disagree with al sharpton, but i think even bill o'reilly would agree that al sharpton has a right to say what's on his mind, as controversial as it might b certainly it's never stopped bill. and we appreciate his comments as well. >> he has a right to say what he wants, even if it's nonsense. let me ask horace, horace, do you get the impression that when al sharpton comes to an area where there's crisis, that he might actually hurt it instead of help it. he's got quite a past, with freddie's fashion mart, when he shows up, there's nothing but trouble. >> that's his game plan and in fact even if there wasn't a crisis going on, he brings a can of fuel and pours it all around and then the match and lights it up and watches everyone else. if you're wanting to talk about what america is going to do, so that america addresses how blacks, whites and browns all get along, al sharpton isn't the man to do that. if you want to count up how the problems can be exacerbated and the progress can be denied, he's the man to call. >> hillary, i will admit, there's a certain kind of ping-pon

meanwhile, reverend al sharpton gave what some would call a speech in st. louis yesterday morning. >> and all of my life, i've never seen anything more despicable than this mother and his father and their family, they haven't even had the time to bury their son. [cheers] [applause] >> the police would release the tape, disparage his name. how can the young folks of the city believe in a system that would spit on the name of a young man who hasn't even been buried? we are not looters, we are liberators. we are not challengers, we are pilgrims. >> tonight we will take up whether i'll sharpton and others are liberators. we will be taking up that issue as well with the lieutenant governor of missouri here on the broadcast in moments. but first, mike tobin is in ferguson tonight has the latest on what really happened between brown and the police officer who shot him. >> at least six shots were not mike brown was shot at least six times with bullets entering and exiting his body. a shot that hit him on the head were definitely killed him and that is coming from a

there are people close to al sharptons of the world. that's their idea of deployment, right? >> if you want to involve the al sharptons of the world you're going to exacerbate a problem that would die fairly quickly. that's what i like about president obama staying away from this so far. if president obama gets involved it's going to be a situation where the aggrieved will feel happy for a time but the nonaggrieved will say hey wait a second why so much governments for involvement here but not here. stay out of it and let the problem solve itself. >> rick, you're not a fan of al sharpton, what he does, are you? the point is, he's working closely with the administration on this. in fact, those are the where the protest martials are drawn from. >> no i'm not a fan of al sharpton, i think we all know. but i got to respond to the assumptions here which are a bit troubling. number one, i don't know how we can argue the justice department has taken a side in this because we still don't know the police's version of it. >> that's the point. >> and eric holder and some others are acti

. >>> al sharpton has been deeply involved in the ferguson tragedy as an advocate for the michael browny and covering this story on his msnbc program. this week, it was almost surreal. reverend al delivered the eulogy at michael brown's funeral and led you have his cable show featuring the host himself. >> you've got to deal with the streets in ferguson and st. louis. the brown family asked me to give the eulogy today and i explained how i first took a call from michael's grandfather. america, it's time to deal with policing. we are not the haters, we're the healers. we can't ignore thwhat we've se. peacefully protest and get the change this country needs. >> just a small bit of it. the question came up, sort of, criticism. >> why was al sharpton there? he's chasing cameras. why were you there? >> first of all, i was called by the family. it's not about chasing the camera. i'm on tv every night here. >> why is msnbc so im peevus to the criticism that sharpton is clouding the basic rules of journalism? >> msnbc and nbc owe him big time because he supported the mergers when comcast bought

take a listen. >> when al sharpton comes, sometimes i don't know what his goal is, but people continueiot and things escalate. so i'm asking now, speak peace, reverend sharpton. speak love. speak justice. but you can have justice without violence. our jesus christ showed that, gandhi showed that. >> here with us st. louis naacp officer with us. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> what's your reaction to, the new black panther party, lewis -- and reverend al sharpton there on the ground. helpful? does it hurt? is there a rush to judgment? >> well, no, i don't think it's necessarily a rush to judgment on his part or anybody else's part at this point in time. i think we're all looking to find out what the answers are. as far as i was concerned he's basically called for peaceful demonstrations and at the same time he's asked for the justice department to do the right thing and come in and provide some outside eyes on the prize and let's see what's going on. >> do you have a conclusion? there's obviously been an outcry in the community about this, and there's been violence and mayhem

what if there was not an al sharpton? was not a voice for the people how felt neglected, abused and downtrodden? >> why can't he have a voice without drawing legal conclusions about the case? >> because the legal system still governs in america. he's a voice to impact and influence and advocate but he is not the legal system. if people would take the attention off al sharpton and put it on the criminal justice system which treats blacks unfairly in america, that's a distraction. no one voted for al sharpton, he holds no public office. the people we are concerned about do hold public office. ask yourself this question, megyn. how come the police chief in ferguson didn't know his officer was beaten up and wounded in the way has been described, a friend could call, hospital treat him, mark fuhrman knew but the chief of police in ferguson didn't know? >> he may or may not. >> i believe when people put their hands on a bible and swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but things change. >> that's true. i agree a vigorous inv

and we had a lot of pictures of al sharpton in st. louis tonight.nity is bracing for the worst, and hoping for the best this evening as we take a look at the line of people across that street. the president in the past has run into trouble weighing in, and some similar situations. the cambridge police department calling them out for stupidity. the day after the issue that arose with him. you have the trayvon martin case, some people felt he spoke to soon, and some people said he shouldn't speak about this, until more details came out. but today he did. what do you make of that statement. >> serious multiday rioting, major american city, he probably did feel obligated to say something, because he's been so clumsy in past statements, i can understand why others would say just let this process run its course. but the focus of the civil rights community here, it really is troublesome here, what al sharpton and others are trying to go, is pretend that our morgues are full of young black men because cops are shooting them. the reality is, black people are

when you appear up in harlem with agitators like al sharpton, arm in arm, making the same accusationsut the motivations of your critics, you are not acting responsibly and you lose credibility when you try and step into conflicts like this. >> black leaders have been critical of the way obama's handled this. michael dyson said, he failed us not only as black people but as a nation. that's from dyson, an obama supporter. you've got -- jesse jackson saying this was a state execution without a scintilla of evidence at his command. >> you're talking about professional agitators when you're talking about al sharpton and jesse jackson. this is what they do. they've been doing this for 40 years. this is how they line their pockets. but they don't want to talk about the real root problem here, which is black criminality. blacks are overrepresented in this country, way overrepresented among law-breakers. if you look at arrest rates for all manner of property crime, blacks are arrested at two to three times their rate in the population. and that is what is driving this tension in these communit

perpetrated by al sharpton and new black panther party.jesse jackson and anyone else who wants to make a name for themselves by saying look there's a problem here. there's a racial divide in ferguson. if the divide is the fact that there are three black cops out of 53 in a town that has a predominantly black population. so be it. that doesn't mean what officer -- >> wilson. >> -- wilson did was illegal. or wrong. >> obviously. >> we still haven't found out their side of the story. so before -- before they start calling for the death of officer wilson, they should find out what the facts are. maybe he was defending himself. listen -- >> he has a right, by the way, to use force whether the teen is armed or not. >> that isn't so. >> yes it is so, bob. yes it is. >> for president obama to come on television and say we need to calm what's going on there. how about he says that? how about he says hey you block panther party cut the crap? jesse jackson cut the crap. get out of there. we'll handle this. eric holder will handle this. >> they're not

you don't think al sharpton is helping. why? ctually, we do appreciate the support we've gotten from our national leader, mr. sharpton provided invaluable support to us f i can just reiterate what he said we have had enough we want to know where justice is. so after talking to mr. sharpton he's providing some strategies for us as local leaders on how to keep the peace your reporter is talking about. we have peace keepers out there, clergy out there. partnered with community leaders as well as police force on what we can do every day to keep the peace in the community. >> that is great your group has been out there working to do that. just want to make sure i understand what you're saying about reverend al sharpton. you said they were only here for a photo op and critical of them. are you saying that since then, you've sat down with al sharpton and come to a different point of view? >> well, i think the power of words have allowed me to have access to sit with him and talk. gave me an opportunity to not just see what is on the new

what if there was not an al sharpton? if there was not a voice for the people who felt neglected, abuse asked downtrodden? >> why can't he draw legal conclusions about the case? >> the legal system still governs in america. he's a voice to impact and influence and advocate but he's not the legal system. and if people would take attention off of al sharpton and put it on the criminal justice s sim -- system. the people we're concerned about do hold public office ask yourself this question, how come the police chief in ferguson didn't know his officer was beaten up and wounded in a way you described? a friend called to the hospital to treat him. but the chief of police didn't know? how come? >> he may, or may not. >> i believed it when people put their hands on a bible and swear to tell the truth and nothing but, things change. >> that is when you get evidence. >> i agree with you. i agree, a vigorous investigation is what we need vigorous prosecution remains to be seen. reverend, good to see you. >> thank you. coming up, a

reporter: al sharpton had a sharp rebuke for leaders who distracted the parents are grieving. >> they have to stop to get you to control your anger like you are more angry than they are. reporter: he had a rebuke for police, for time spent on the investigation and techniques used to control the crowd. >> we need money to get military equipment and police forces. we all have money for training for public education and to train our children. reporter: a march is planned for saturday. the officer in question being demanded to be fired with this crime. but the prosecutor be removed and a demand that the mayor and the police chief of ferguson resigned. lou: a lot of demands. what are we to make of it? >> well, i think that we have to look as it relates to the grand jury handling this case. a lot is not understood about the jury and how it works and you have the crowd out here that once a particular outcome of this. they want to see an indictment and beyond that they want to see a conviction and there's a chance that this jury to come back and not return any charges with this indictment. lo

to preface it with al sharpton's history. freddy's fashion mart which ended in a dnumber of deaths. the hoax that should never should be forgotten about this char charlatan. there's a number of sober voices drowning out sharpton. if he cared he would stay away because he harms the cause. when he shows up everyone moves away from him. he's like the stinky guy on the subway. his stench is his history. we're getting somewhere and when you see people like johnson, finally there are people you can listen to and you're getting away from the charlatans. >> for sharpton to say we had one good night of marching, the fact is they had many good nights of marching. rioters were out there not part of the march. you want to say to al -- al thought it was one good night, probably wished it wasn't a good night. almost as if you're saying, all the rest of the marches were riots but we had one good night. maybe we'll get back to riots. that's not the case. there's a very small percentage number of people that committed these acts of violence.