cliven bundy is in his own world. he is in this delusional world where he thinks that what he said is perfectly fine. just because he said, i wonder if black people would have been better off under slavery, he clearly does not understand that equating black people and slavery and today and that life would be better under slavery is someone who is not in touch with reality, not in touch with where things are in this country now. and i wish that republican politicians who are -- who are, you know, guilty of using slave imagery to talk about opposition to the president's policies or opposition to democrats, that they adopt the position that -- just don't talk about slavery. do not talk about slavery being better, talk about slavery comparing slavery to today, because what you're talking about is an institution that robbed people of their liberty, robbed people of their dignity, robbed people of their humanity. and so if republicans want to be associated with people who think that that life was better, then they can just

and bundy's home state senator dean heller, who called bundy's supporters patriots. so today, after bundy's slavery apologetics were made public, the news cycle has been dominated by the great cliven bundy walkback of 2014. first up, senator dean heller. senator's spokeswoman saying "senator heller completely disagrees with mr. bundy's appalling and racist statements and condemns them in the most strenuous way." senator rand paul through his spokesman said, "his remarks on race are offensive and i wholeheartedly disagree with them." senator ted cruz, you're up next. through his press secretary, cruz said, "those comments are completely unacceptable." and there's texas attorney general greg abbott, who jumped on the bundy rhetoric bandwagon using similar language about government overreach, to trumpet his own problems with the blm in a letter to that agency. and so now predictably a spokeswoman for mr. abbott laura bean said the letter "regarding a dispute in texas is in no way related to a dispute in nevada, of course." governor rick perry said bundy is a side issue.

bundy, shock, shock. i'm going to defend him against all those who would pour upon his head and heap upon his body their outrage, even their calumny, their associated, if you will, just vigorous aggressive denunciation of him. hold on now because he is expressing explicitly what many people hold close to their breasts. he is having the nerve or perhaps the ignorance to articulate out loud what many other people hold very closely and will never say. so what we have to do here then is not simply to scapegoat this man but to talk about him as a lynchpin or even a flash-point, if you will, to mix metaphors, to talk about him revealing many racialized attitudes that are deeply entrenched in american society. >> you know, i thought about -- and our second producer todd cole found this. this was a little bit of a firestorm in 2011 during the republican primary. there was a marriage vow from bob vander plaats, family leader, that was signed by michele bachmann and rick santorum. and this is actually a bit of a tr

unlike bundy. unlike bundy these people actually own the land. they're not free loaders. they are producers and they're fighting to continue to produce. there's another major difference between bundy and the keystone opponents. you don't see a scene like this at the keystone protest. look at that. no one is aiming sniper rifles at federal agents at the national mall. they're there being americans. they're doing it by the rules. keystone protesters, they are the patriots. they are the one who are exercising free speech properly. cliven bundy is not. these people own their land. cliven bundy, he doesn't own his land. these people protest peacefully, cliven bundy threatens federal officials. this weekend keystone protesters will again show their patriotism. f keystone opponents are holding a big rally on the national mall to draw attention and get information out about the issue that they really believe in. i will be there in washington to cover it tomorrow and to cover they're march. and hopefully bundy will be off the news when we come back on monday. maybe the weekend wil

bundy. that's the right way to do it. >> i don't file suit against the government. they filed suit against me. >> that's because you're not paying your fees like every other rancher. >> no. they want total jurisdiction and authority. they want policing power. they want to make this a policing state. that's what they've done in clark county the last few weeks is make this a policing state in america. >> there's no question it has gotten ugly there. nobody likes that. mr. bundy, if you're going to hold yourself out as somebody who represents fundamental freedom in america, make sure you're living by its laws. >> okay. let me tell you something, if i have to say i'm sorry here, it's not because of my thoughts, maybe it's because of my words. my thoughts have been loyal to the constitution and my country and my thoughts have been loyal to we the people. i'm talking about all ethnic people in this country. i don't like to sayeth nick. i think they're equal and they should have their seat anywhere

back with us is cliven bundy. back with us is cliven bundy. and back with us tonight to respond in a hannity exclusive is rancher cliven bundy. cliveen, i've gotten to know you as the controversy is unfolding. you and your family seem like really nice people. >> stephen: man, hannity ate up that store so hard, bundy should have charged him grazing fees. ( cheers and applause ). and thanks, thanks to sean's sympathetic coverage, arped patriots flocked to bundy's ranch to defend his rights. >> we were actually strategizing to put all the women up at the front. if they're going to start shooting, it will be women that will be televised all across the world getting shot by these rogue federal officers. >> reporterofficers. >> stephen: now, that's not as monstrous as it sounds. i'm sure they were going to protect the women with a line of children. ( applause ) now, no surprise, the feds did not have the sack to shoot through a lady line, so they packed it in. and in that moment of victory against an enroaching federal government, cliven bundy becam

they sympathize with bundy.ow, he is a terrible, terrible person for them to put up as their avatar, because he's been breaking the law for 20 years. many other ranchers in the other parts of the state pay their grazing fees. we have had five conservative legislat legislators, republicans write a letter demanding a state investigation of the blm's actions here as a way to get into this issue of transferring the federal land to the state land. never asking some key questions, such as really? can the state really take care of that hand any better than the feds? does anyone think that cliven bundy who got away with not paying his bills for 20 years to the federal government would have paid the state government. so yeah, there's still that out there. sure, some of the prominent folks, dean heller finding it repugna repugnant. and sean hannity got out his thesaurus, but they still sympathize with this guy, no question about it. >> the sheriffs out there actually gave a preview of what he thinks had to happen in order

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bundy but not very many. some commentators sliewgd some on fox news rallied to mr. bundy's side.ost fox news people did not. and that's why we're successful. we have a wide variety of in a vibrant way. now, we know that cliven bundy is a man who does not see things clearly. he made very offensive ignorant remarks about african-americans and was roundly condemned for doing so. it here is something interesting. mr. bundy is also sympathetic to hispanics. >> now, let me talk about hispanic people. i understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders but they are here and they are people. i have worked beside a lot of them. don't tell me they don't work. and don't tell me they don't pay taxes. and don't tell me they don't have better family structures than most of us white people. >> now, mr. bundy might just be covering his butt with that statement but because he is getting hammered, i thought it was fair it play the sound bite. for those who at this point to sympathize with cliven bundy, here is how wrong you are. the man foolishly asked whether blac

we have live pictures from the bundy ranch. it's become ground zero between frustrated land owners and the burro of land management. there is a growing number of supporters for rancher cliven bundy vowing to stand behind a man that's become their hero with a face-off with armed government officers. the feds view bundy as an out law of sorts who is refusing to obey the law of the land and pay grazing fees. earlier this week the confrontation turned ugly. [ bleep ]. >> back up! >> bundy's son was tasered and sister knocked to the ground. as the story gets attention, other ranchers, farmers and self-described militia groups are rallying to bundy's cause at meetings like this one held on wednesday. >> so you imagine what happened to those calfs out there right now? we give a dang about these turtles and mustangs. did god not create the cow? they got some less right than any other animal and then, and then, this is where it really gets rough, okay? this is where it goes way beyond. they control an army of men down there with sniper

cliven bundy is a kran. er who is very, very angry he no longer seens same federal subsidies he's gotten for over 20 years. he's so angry, he refuses to pay his taxes, and surround himself with gun-toting militia member. cliven bundy, a taker in the most acute sense of the word, degrading people on welfare. so what happens now? is he still a patriot? earlier today, rand paul said, bundy's remarks on race are offensive and i disagree with him. senator dean heller called them appalling and racist. fox host greta van susteren condemns what cliven bundy said about african-americans. it is not exactly something that is unfamiliar. as the new republic pointed out, by sheer coincidence, conservative murders turn out to be huge racists. new york's chait elaborated, it not a coincidence bundys a gigantic racist like rand paul's ghost writer turned out to be a neocob fed rate white supremacist. so, is it something in the water or does this run deeper? "slate" offered this assessment, only difference between bundy and

on hannity he has as his guest cliven bundy.tching us before bill o'reilly, go set up a dvr series recording each night. that way you will never miss the show. it's so easy and you won't miss a minute. did. vr series record it good night from washington. ed in >>> tonight on "red eye." >> coming up is the miami marathon not as fun as it used to be thanks to global warming? we hit the streets of south beach to find out. and what was the vice president's reaction when a first grader asked him if he liked skittles better than m&m's? >> no one ever asked me that question before. it made me sad. what a profound question. >> and finally is the easter bunny secretly america's greatest athlete? the world's first and last debate on the subject next. none of these stories on "red eye" tonight. >> i'm tom shillue filling in for greg gutfeld who is getting ready for his book

they should no more be raising firearms against the bundys than the bundys should be threatening arm against them. what is being done to deescalate tempers and get this under control? >> not much i talk to the clark county

has now officially stepped way over the line. >> he doesn't like cliven bundy. >> blasted cliven bundy'sporters as domestic terrorists. >> domestic terrorists. >> these people who hold themselves out to be patriots, are not. >> you know members of the militia. >> they're nothing more than domestic terrorists. >> what do you have to say to the senator? >> well i guess he's right i don't know what else we'd be. we're definitely citizens riled up. >> you know members of the militia. >> i repeat went on up there is domestic terrorism. >> thinks cliven bundy is breaking the law. >> that man right there is trying to kill the american spirit. >> we're a country people should follow the law. >> we don't work for you. you work for us. >> good to have you with us tonight. thanks for watching, dirty hary, tell it like it is, make my day. senate majority leader harry reid, this is what it's all about, going right back at them. he's calling out the law-breaking nevada rancher, cliven bundy. fox news is still defending bundy, and they are now attacking harry reid. harry reid's the problem now. harry r

bundy's son, tasered. his sister, knocked to the ground the story gets attention, other ranchers and groups are rallying to bundy's cause and meetings like this one held on wednesday. >> so you imagine what happened right now. okay? did god not create the cow? they've got us on the left, right. and then, and then, this is where it gets rough, okay? this is where it goes way the hell beyond. they can throw an army of men around there. literally. with snipers. on people just like you are. men, women and children just like you are. okay they do believe they have a right to be there. you believe you can be there. some day, they're going to throw that army of men around you. and then, somehow if you're like they got the right to draw the damn tripod on the ground so if you cross the line, they can put a bullet in you? who the hell is the man behind that trigger? i want to know. i want to know who in the hell? which one of you guys gave that guy the authority to bring that rifle down? which one of us is he going

bundy. you came on may show with a dead animal in your arms. your reaction was to say that you wonder if negros weren't better off as slaves. are you a racist? >> no, i'm not a racist, but i did wonder that. i took this boot off so i wouldn't putt my foot in my mouth with the boot on. if i say negro or black boy or save, i'm not -- i'm not -- if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive, then, martin luther king hasn't done his job then yet. those words are not offensive. >> cliven bundy may not know what the fuss is, but but his one-time conservative supporters, well, they do know enough. to get away from the scene as fast as they can, with one of his beg eiggest, hay profile supporters, sean hadn't hannety doing the massive conservative walk of shame off the bundy ranch. >> let me make myself abundantly clear. i believe the comments are down doctors right racist, repugnant, bigoted, and beyond disturbing. while i supported the bundy ranch as they took a stand against the bureau of land management, i was absolutely dism

. >> the bundy backlash. >> bundy launched into a tirade. >> racist remarks made by bundy. >> quote i want to till you one more thing i know about the negro." >> i often wonder if they're better off as slaves. >> appalling statements. >> a racist at best. >> obviously a nut. >> what is dinner talk at bundy's ranch. >> rand paul. and dean heller who called him, quote, a patriot. >> he doesn't recognize america's existence. >> today republican politicians are running as fast as they can away from nevada rancher bundy. >> now it falls on lawmakers who saw him as a patriot after shocking racial remarks. cliven bundy was a phony symbol in the first place. >> bundy's 15 minutes of fame are infamy. >> a lot of people are going to be saying, who is cliven bundy? >>> i'm in for lawrence o'donnell. we begin with a revealing development in an important story. for weeks, pundits and politicians called this man, a hero and patriot, for taking stances like this. >> this harmed the federal burbureaucrats. take the bureaucrats' guns away. that's my message today. >> rancher cliven bundy waged a decad

bundy owns around 500 head of cattle. they've grazed on this plot of land in southern nevada for decades. but bundy doesn't own the land. the federal government does. and in order to graze cattle on federal land, you have to pay land use fees. bundy stopped paying those fees in 1993. he now owes the government over $1 million. you see, bundy doesn't think the federal government owns the land. in fact, he doesn't recognize the federal government at all. >> i abide by all of nevada state laws, but i don't recognize united states government as even existing. >> the courts disagree with mr. bundy's reading of the constitution and have ordered him to pay for his use of the land like every other rancher does. last year, a federal district court ruled that the blm was entitled to seize and remove bundy's cattle. >> he owes the american people $1 million because he has not obeyed the laws. >> earlier this year they started rounding up some of bundy's cattle that illegally grazed on his land. on wednesday a confrontation between b

a band of armed men rallied to bundy's side and in the stand off that ensued bundy's son was tased by officers. the blm fearing a violent confrontation backed down. >> get off our land, period. give us back our property 12,347 the blm is the agency managing federal lands mostly in the west, balancing the demands of ranchers, environmentalists and others. in nevada the federal government owns more than 80% of the state's land. the blm oversees 245 million acres including 800 grazer areas. rancher bundy owns 160 acres he said were homesteaded by his family in the late 1800's, a heritage that he cites as claims to water rights today. his family said that he bought the land, and the federal government has no authority in this matter. nevada does. >> the courts have ruled on his arguments and have said that the land that he claims is his is public land. the courts have ruled that his cattle are in trespass. the courts have demanded that he remove his livestock, and the courts have authorized bureau of land management and national park service 12347 cliven bund bundy's sentiments have been

they have very quickly denounced bundy's words.sive and i wholeheartedly disagree with him. will condemning the rancher be enough to move past this? so, gentlemen, i would like to begin with you with your oped with cnn.com. and listen, i don't want to give too much oxygen really to the racist rant, okay? bigger picture, was this whole thing really a stunt and the right wing fell for it? >> yeah. you almost wonder. i don't think it was a stunt. i think the guy actually believes the things he says he believes. it's not all that big of news that there is a tiny fringe in america that still has these views. but why successful main streen politicians and pundits leapt to his defense. you should have known the guy is a nut case and he's the latest in a series of overnight folk heroes that the right has found. it was joe the plumber who turned out to not be joe or a plumber. it was ted knnugent, and then t duck diynasty guy. these are successful politicians. successful politicians, they should have known better than to embrace this guy. >

you think bundy can host a show on if news? i don't think i have ever seen such a blatant, shocking example of flat-out racism. now, let's get this all straight here, folks. the welfare free-loading rancher who refuses to pay his fees to the federal government is complaining about black people on government assistance. i think it's important to point out just who brought this free-loading racist rancher into the national spotlight. well, it's promotional hack, sean hannity. just last week sean hannity was ready to go stand alongside bundy to protest the federal government next time they show up. >> i fear, guys this is not over. i would take harry reid's warning seriously. if i was scheduled to be out there tonight, if this didn't end this weekend, if they come back, i'll be out there with you. >> no plane to go in, sean? come on. this isn't the first questionable human being that sean hannity has supported on his program. let's see. there's the racist gun-toting hard rocking ted nugent. nugent admitted, hey, he's a friend of t

cliven bundy tells me that one cow market is 2200 bucks. 10 is 22,000. i asked cliive if he thought there was more than 10 he said that's run low estimate. in that yaf 20, 30, or 40 more. they are trying to figure out what it's cost them with this whole ordeal, greta? >> griff, thank you. >> now at war with senator reid. senator reid saying this. >> well, it's not over. and we can't have an in america people that violate the law and just walk away from it so it's not over. >> not over for the bundy family either. they are demanding novembers beat harry reid from office. >> i don't think there is any hope for them and he needs to be kicked out of office even if he is the senate majority leader it doesn't matter. >> joining us, our political panel. jackie kucinich of the "the washington post," susan cab tree of "the washington examiner." alex annual degreeafter infantry. >> who is winning which one, senator harry reid on the bundy family? >> it really didn't make any sense for senator reid to weigh in on this issue when he hasn't had to. i think he was kin

or has cliven bundy made that impossible? >> well, there were so issues that they originally wanted to talk about. all of them, they think, wedge issues, rural america versus the elites in urban america, the real bedrock of this country, the cowboys versus everybody else. i think the only legitimate issue here, it is a legitimate issue. for instance, in nevada, the federal government owns 81% of the land. what would happen if the state took possession of that land? i don't think it's as clear as a lot of the states rights folks think. for instance, does anyone think that cliven bundy would've paid his fees if the state owned that land instead of the federal government? it's still public land. he still would've had to pay grazing fees on the state land. that is a legitimate policy issue. but for anyone to think that any of what went on with sean hannity and dean heller and the rest of them had anything to do with policy. dean heller called these folks up there patriots. i wonder how he feels today, joy. >> yeah, indeed, and no

but bundy, he thinks he's above the law. so clearly this guy is extreme and clearly he could be a problem. but to an extreme right wing obsessed with attacking the government and calling president obama a dictator, glooif bundy was just too ir reist cystable. so they went in whole hog. senator rand paul supported him saying it's an issue of government overreach. governor rick perry saying, the bigger issue is the federal government putting citizens in the position of having to feel like they have to use force. and dean dean helder called bundy and his supporters patriots. and then came the shameful trumpeting from right wing pundits. >> iechl not a rancher, bull i would think the federal government would be thankful because they're getting their lawn cut for three and they're paying huge amounts of money, right, with these fees? >> these are good hard-working americans. >> so your bottom line b, you're making your stand, telling folks, we're being overrun by an out of control tyranny. >> it shows you the attitude of the fede

bundy wasn't asked about this. he started talking about it during a news conference and found himself in this predicament. >> that's a good point that have many people scratching their heads. i want to bring chris cuomo in. dan, stick around with us. chris, i know it was sort of a risk assessment deciding to have him on our show today on "new day." you wanted to let him speak to the comments is that he made earlier. >> i think that i was hoping that race stuff would be a distraction. that's what it is. you can probably -- how do we explain the african-americans standing by his side, the man that's his bodyguard. maybe if you know this is about sophistication than what is in his head and heart. we don't know. maybe this man does. it's certainly something that has to be rejected this type of notion. we all know that. you have to hold him to account because he's become relevant in another way. the bigger concern for me is i didn't expect him to bring a dead calf to the show. i almost killed the interview. i thought it

bundy that he doesn't pay taxes? >> exactly, in the same sentence he says he doesn't pay grazing fees and he doesn't pay his taxes. it's not a matter if he mistook one for the other. he used both in the same sentence. he's accusing cliven bundy of not paying his taxes. cliven bundy says that's just not true. >> with all due respect, what does anyone care what harry reid's son says about this? he called for cliven bundy to e be -- using the terms like domestic terrorists? >> i'm not sure why people would care. rory reid does have his own tv show here in the market and as such, he's on tv every day or three, four days a week and the fact is a lot of people believe that he or one of the other reid brothers maybe apparent to harry reid if he decides to step down and leave the senate. >> big in nevada politics. thank you. >> thank you, megyn. >>> joining me now, dennis michael lynch, a film maker on the ground at the ranch during the standoff with the agents. what do you make of it, domestic terrorists? >> i don't know wh

the bureau said it will pursue bundy further in court. immediately, bundy was defended by fox news. and given a platform to take down the government. >> we have rapists and murderers and bank robbers and pedophiles out there and they've got 200 agents, you know, surrounding your ranch because your cows are eating grass and on land that they don't even want or need and you're arguing that isn't theirs. >> i have a response for every sheriff across the united states, every county sheriff across the united states, disarm the federal bowureaower bureauc. >> the entire country should know what is going on. i could not believe there were not network trucks there. >> to me, it's almost like a tipping point that people are fed up to here with the government pushing people around and i think your case just became a rallying point. if they come back, i'll be out there with you. thanks for being with us. >> oh, hannity's going to be out there with folks who are defying a court order. it's so american, isn't it? politics are jumping into the fray as well. on saturday, mike huckabee, former gove

and then cliven bundy implode. and now, i think everybody in the country is looking and waiting to say what is jon stewart going to say tonight. he's going to get the last word in, it's going to be memorable. i feel a little sorry for him, but what do you think? >> if i didn't know better, i would think that viacom owned fox news and comedy central. historically, sean hannity and jon stewart have a symbiotic relationship. it shouldn't be surprising that sean hannity is not being consistent, he's being hypocrite call. that's the hallmark of fox news. but really, i think the story should be about the story not the people talking about the story. both sean hannity and jon stewart are entertainers in the broadest sense of the word. i know jon. and jon is very funny, very insightful and factual, which i would not associate with handy. but it's working in both of their favors. i mean, sean hannity does not have to be truthful or accurate to appeal to his base, his viewers. and despite the fact that jon stewart is clearly

ranch is cliven bundy's sister margaret houston and a supporter.garet, let me start with you. i understand you got into a tussle with the blm agents out there. is that true? >> yeah, yeah, i did. >> yeah, what happened? >> we were just at the picket lines just demonstrating and we noticed up on the mountain that there was, you know, rangers coming down. so we spotted them, and they were -- there was 14 to 15 vehicles. we noticed there was a dump truck pulling a backhoe. so we wanted to know what was in the dump truck and what they were doing up there, and so we headed up and met them before they hit the pavement. i went up there the dirt road, and, you know, i was hollering in the window, go home, we want you to go home. we want our cattle back. that kind of thing. a couple of them went by me. i got in front of one. he just kept coming and kind of pushed me with his truck a bit. i stood to the side. another one come up and i was hollering at them, same thing, go home, we don't want you here, we want our cows -- >> margaret, i don't understand one t

bundy, margaret houston. listen. >> cliven bundy has not recognized the united states. he says the united states is a foreign government. he hasn't paid his taxes. he doesn't pay his fees, unlike the rest of nevada ranchers. and he doesn't follow the law. >> harry reid doesn't even know my brother. he doesn't even know my family. he doesn't know what we do. we pay our taxes. cliven's always paid his taxes. >> you hear the sister saying, these are two separate issues. my brother paid taxes. senator reid said not only did he not pay the grazing fees, that mr. bundy did not pay taxes either. what's really going on here? >> if bundy didn't pay his taxes for 20 years, i suspect something would have happened to him. i don't think that's likely. you have to handle it in the courts and you can attach property. you can attach bank accounts. you don't have to get his cattle. there are ways of doing this without sending armed s.w.a.t. teams in from the federal government. it can be handled quietly. >> those were scary from the f government. >> those were scary pictures for sure. t

bundy. your thoughts?er: well, it's a very peculiar situation where you have a cattle man, a rancher and he's being taken on directly from the senator and senate majority leader who is commenting not only about him not paying taxes but in some sense accusing supporters and i'm right among them here today of being domestic terrorists. so the real question i think megyn, i came here as a film maker to see what is going on. we basically see an american clash almost like in the old western movies between the loan rancher on one side and i would say the dubious or corrupt politician on the other and the question is, who is the real crook? who is fanning the flames. terrorism is when you target innocent civilians and when you call people domestic terrorists, you're almost saying they should be targeted and killed. i think this is irresponsible of harry reid and the people are angry about it. >> i understand they have a statement they are making particularly with respect to mr. reid. what is it? >> reporter: well

bundy stands with the residents of that state?> well, i think it depends on your sanity level, ed. if you actually know what's going on here, you understand that sean hannity whipping this into something that it's not. mike huckabee is saying things. all kind of conservative blog, are going nuts. if you're the kind of person who believes that cliven bundy is -- wait for it, ed -- rosa parks which is the comparison. and if you think that it's the nazis, what they're saying on conservative blogs and commentators are saying i'm sure you're upset. but if you know the facts and smart nevadians know the facts including some by the bundy ranch, i had one of them on my program who is furious about what's going on up there, this guy, as you pointed out, has broken the law. he's not paid his bills essentially for decades. he owes a fortune to the federal government which he says he does not recognize the existence of the federal government. he is being portrayed as something he is not. he's being portrayed as a hero and a victim. he is not.

but now we baptise these people on the bundy ranch, clive bundy, as patriots.nd when we think about the resistan resistance, of people who perceived injustice, they were roundly criticized. he was the head of the naacp. he argued that black people should take up and did machine guns, molotov cocktails and dynamite to protect themselves and finally had to seek help in cuba. this was not a person who took up arms against a government who refuse to do protect its own people, he was seen as a domestic terrorist. yet when race changes, when generations changes, when young white kids who appeal, they are not seen as the carriers of our edyfying tradition of american defense. >> you're saying -- jamal buoy said, what if this was owned by a bunch of black people? you're saying a defense of liberty or some kind of horrible assault on the order of the state? >> absolutely, look, when people have guns who we think should not have guns our sense of the social order is dramatically changed. think about the big incident occasioned by thelma and louise, the two women who took

bundy and his comments. in a news conference late today, cliven bundy doubled down, watch. >> i was wondering, cliven bundy is a wondering about these people. now i'm talking about the black community. i'm wondering are they better off with their young women aborting their children? are they better off with their young men in prison? and are they better off with the older people on the sidewalks in front of her government-issued homes with a few children on them, are they better off? are they happier than they was when they were in the south with their homes and chickens and gardens and children around them and their men having something to do? are they better off? i'm a wondering. that's a question i put before the world. are they better? are they better then? i'm not saying i thought they should be slaves. i never said they were better off. i'm a wondering if they are better off. >> "the kelly file" dug into this a few times reporting how mr. bundy has no legal leg to stand off. the feds showed up on his p

well, cliven bundy, we appreciate your time tonight. thank you for telling your side. >> thank you for having me. >>> you're welcome. >>> well, you heard what the most controversial rancher in america has to say. when we come back, how he became the darling of the right. what it means for former fans and the culture wars in this country. stick around. constipated? .yea dulcolax tablets can cause cramps but not phillips. it has magnesium and works more naturally than stimulant laxatives. for gentle cramp free relief of occasional constipation that works! mmm mmm live the regular life. improving everything from booking to baggage claim. we're raising the bar on flying and tomorrow we'll raise it yet again. >>> well, you heard just a second ago, but how did rancher cliven bundy become such a poster boy for the tea party in many quarters? and what do they think of him now? >> reporter: from angry rants. >> your government has gone absolutely wild. >> reporter: to news made to look like an old western showdown. >> meet cliven bundy. >> repor