>> on the busses? >> commissioner: yes. >> they'll be looking to make sure the vehicles are leaving at the high standard we expect. >> commissioner: so if they do not, do you reject the busses at that point? >> we hold them at the plant until the issues are addressed. >> commissioner: thank you. >> commissioner: thank you, ms. kirschbaum. i have a few questions but i appreciate the detail and appreciate the overall metric of the time in subway because i think it's a tangible thing and happy to see the average has gone down on one side. so we've seen a drop in the a.m. peak but not p.m. an he'd ya -- any idea of the difference? >> i think the p.m. was affected by the west portal bottleneck we've been able to address. i think the a.m. peak problems tend to be related to other issues like non-communicating trains or trains in manual slowing down the trains behind them as well as the turnaround at embarcadero. so we have not had as much as success in the a.m. peak issues we're having in the p.m. peak issue

he favored desegregation but not through bussing. he followed the lead of some of the most federal reserrvent segrega. it comes into sharper focus. on march 25th, 1977, biden wrote, my bill strikes at the heart of the injustice of court-ordered bussing. it prohibits the federal courts from disrupting our educational system. biden sought and received support from mississippi senator james eastland, the democratic chairman of the judiciary committee and a leading symbol of southern resistance to desegregation. he spoke of blacks as, quote, an inferior race. biden reflected on that era earlier this year. >> there were a bunch of racists. there was james o. east, strom thurmond and so on. there were nine guys who were in the caucus that were, you know, i ran against in the civil rights movement. >> but he did not see that eastland and others were partners on several of biden's anti-bussing bills. on june 30th he wrote, dear mr. chairman, i very much appreciate your help during this week's committee meeting in attempting to bring my anti-

i think he's hoping a couple of busses will arrive, maybe a convoy of busses of poor people, desperateg anything but what they're carrying, if anything. they're going to arrive in a nice city like seattle, which is a great city. he wants to see people with signs that say "go home." what would be the reception, the welcoming a bunch of poor people on busses would get in your city? >> you know, it's interesting. just over the weekend i've received hundreds of emails from people in our area offering places of refuge and saying i'll take some in my own home, i'll take some in our church. i think people will step up, but that's the history of america. again, chris, what is happening today, our country is founded upon taking the people -- my grandfather fled ireland when he was 16 years old. it was a war torn country. there was starvation and famine. at the age of 16, he wandered the globe for awhile and finally made it to america, where he built a home, and his son and now his granddaughter is the mayor of seattle. that's the story of america. and we will step up and we will help people who

bussing people read the "washington post" greg miller, to dump them in cities. just do punish political rivals. in the view of harley sigel of the daly beast, the white house wanted to dump refugees in sanctuary cities. he called that idea nasty. almost simultaneously, a different concert, both cnn and

bussing migrants from the border -- into sanctuary cities -- including right here in the bay area. >> is not backing down tonight, the president standing by his controversial idea, bussing migrants from the border. >> he tweeted "if the radical left democrats all of a sudden in their communities, why should others expect to have them. he is not backing down. >> the consensus is if the president follows through, the bay area is ready. tonight the prospect of payback on sanctuary cities. president trump is considering flooding cities like san francisco with migrants released at the border. >> just another notion that is unworthy of the presidency of the united states and disrespectful to the challenges that we face as a country, as a people, to address who wear nation of immigrants. >> reporter: london breed saying this is just another in a long line of distracting people from issues. city of san jose who have to endured such incredible hardships and have endeavored to make a better life for themselves and their family. >> reporter: the immigrant group sire siren is already helping. >>

he wasn't an accidental opponent of bussing, he was a leader helped derail integration. he didn't just vote for punitive legislation on drugs, he wrote it. i want to have you weigh in on that. comments about reparations that really do not seem to fit with where the party is in 2019. >> i understand this issue. anytime joe biden decided to run for president it is an issue that is important, i'm not going to discredit that but it was brought up every time. joe biden hoped bussing would bring equal opportunity but it didn't and that wasn't so it is not what happened. i think joe biden has overwhelming support from the civil rights activists and community within america and has proven himself time and again. >> he called the idea of bussing asinine and had objections to it. the crime bill seems to be the one that gets him the most backlash from the left. i will have you quickly comment. >> this is been brought up, the democratic party never had less tolerance for explanations than they do right now. they will use this against him. this will be a bloodied primary and this top

he called the idea of bussing asinine. he had his objections to it. but the crime bill seems to be the one that really gets him the most backlash from the left. i'll have you quickly comment and then jenna. >> each of the campaigns, this has been brought up. you know what? the democratic party has never had less tolerance for ebb bra nations about this than they do right now. they will use this against him. this will be a bloody primary. and these topics will come up. bussing being opposed to that. that's coming up. in support of the crime bill, that's coming up. his treatment of anita hill in the '90s. that will all come up. it will be used against him. this is a party he helped to build. but he doesn't recognize it. identity politics will hurt joe biden in a way he's not expecting. >> i'm with vince. basically it's going to be an apology tour. he's disclaiming himself as the old white male and saying he's ageist, sexist, and racist. we can see it throughout the course of the political history. and he's continuing to apologize. with the 2019 going to

. >> what do you say about forced bussing, the hottest issue in the '70s. be driven to a tougher neighborhood? why does he have to be the social change agent. he said i'm against that. can he honestly say, yeah, i think they should have been bussed to that neighborhood. i don't think he will. >> i don't think he can. i don't think he should. as you started to explain, now as distant as we are from bussing, people now don't talk about the complexity of that issue and the number of families who were perfectly embracing of the notion of equality and integration who thought it would disadvantage their children to have to spend many hours in busses. >> nimby, not in my backyard. >> i don't think biden is going to back away from that. >> he's going to be asked. >> he's got to explain that it wasn't a measure for him. didn't mean he didn't believe in integration. he didn't believe in racial justice and he's going to have to make that sale. >> i think he's going to get a large african-american vote, even with other african-american candidates in the field who are o

the white house asked officials in migrants could be arrested and then bussed to small and mid-sized sanctuary cities where local authorities refused to hand over undocumented immigrants in the past. they wanted to send a message to the democrats. nancy pelosi had this to say. the extent of this administration's cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated. using human being including little children as pawns is despicable and in some cases criminal. they rejected this idea calling it inappropriate. the white house says it was only a suggestion and is no longer under consideration. reporting live. pete suratos, "today in the bay". >> very interesting, pete. thank you. our coverage of this developing story continues next with a live report from capitol hill as washington wakes up and more reactions comes in. >>> here's a story you will only see a nbc bay area. 12 vta buses out of service following a caud by tiny mites. three other fear they may have it. the driver is concerned the buses are too dirty. >> so that is a bit alarming. i think they should thoroughly check to make sure it isn'

and busses we had a discussion on safety and muni. has the technology on the busses been successful at preventing crime and apprehend those that commit crimes? >> we've had success, yes. very much so. i don't know if commander ewing is here but we've had success with that. identification of people that are committed crimes on busses and we continue to work with m.t.a. on that and share information but we've had success. it's a huge part of our ability to address that issue. >> commissioner: supervisor fewer said m.t.a. is coming so you're off the hook on the rest of the questions. and i'm wondering if there's any resources you need to aappropriately implement and enforce g.d.r.o. law at a robust level. >> we understand the volume and i talked about our organizational structure giving us the ability to adapt and this is an example. we expanded the investigation's bureau and now we intelligence understand. and we have to staff it up and we have the infrastructure to address the issue. we still have processes we have to work through. but

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reported the white house had asked the department of homeland security to review the feasibility of bussing the migrants to so-called sanctuary cities where local authorities have declined to cooperate with federal immigration officials. one of their targets, nancy pelosi's congressional district in san francisco, hundreds of miles from the mexican border. but dhs lawyers rejected the proposal and the white house put out a statement late last night saying, "this was just a suggestion that was floated and rejected, which ended any further discussion." then just hours later, the president directly contradicted those words. >> reporter: california certainly is always saying we want more people. and they want more people in their sanctuary cities. well, we'll give them more people. we can give them a lot. we can give them an unlimited supply. let's see if they're so happy. they have open arms. they're always saying they have open arms. let's see if they have open arms. >> reporter: speaker pelosi shot back today. >> it's just another notion that is unworthy of the presidency of the united state

eric: reaction pouring into the president's idea of bussing the migrants to sanctuary cities, especially in the places that would be most affected. some democratic leaders on the west coast are pushing back hard on this proposals. other mayors say fine an say itd they would welcome the new people. jeff paul has more. >> reporter: the idea of sending migrants to sanctuary cities is sparking fierce opposition from many democrats. nancy pelosi, who represents a district, san francisco, said the president is targeting -- that the president is targeting, was asked about this very idea. >> it suggests another notion that is unworthy of the presidency of the united states and disrespectful to challenges that we face as a country, as a people, to address who we are, a nation of immigrants. >> reporter: mayors of sanctuary cities across the country are also weighing in. new york's mayor, bill de blasio in a statement said in part the president uses people like pawns. new york city will always be the ultimate city of immigrants. the president's empty threats won't change that. los angeles' mayor t

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gurgling that area they are staying put their own though the majority of these refugees have been bussed out taken to two camps across the country but there's still a group of some fifty to sixty people refugees there they consider them to troublemakers and that. why they are staying put in fear of potential flare ups don't forget the flare that we saw yesterday and these latest crashes was exactly added time when these refugees were being put on buses to be taken to these camps to be moved out and that's when this flare up occurred daryn see into a very quick a what needs to be done to help people who are in limbo. well to start is again improving the conditions of this day will do quite a bit because many of them are just simply complaining over and over again about the appalling reception conditions very overcrowded conditions and very bad health conditions preventing in those facilities another thing are also that the authorities can do is to increase the manpower on the ground to review these asylum cases and to potentially speed up these asylum hearings in a third thing that can be

trump saying he's considering bussing migrants into sanctuary cities in part to spite democrats. the acting secretary of defense said he expects to send more troops to the southern border. what more can you tell us? >> we're seeing a shift in the administration's immigration policy. president trump confirming he wants to pursue this policy of bussing migrants to sanctuary cities for release hours after white house officials repeatedly told reporters that idea was raised informally, but it was quickly shut down. president trump confirming it's something his white house might pursue. take a listen. >> we are looking at the possibility -- strongly looking at it to be honest with you. california is always saying we want more people and they want more people in their sanctuary cities. we'll give them more people. we'll give them a lot. we can give them an unlimited supply. let's see if they're so happy. >> these discussions come as customs and border protection says their facilities have reached capacity, the system is at a breaking point. the acting defense secretary saying it's like

egyptians who are working class neighborhoods in cairo who are being bussed to the polls and potentially open packages of food to prove they can prevail o.t. . and some would say that's not a sign of a stable regime in general a repressive regime is not necessarily a savior and that really is the challenge is east and. his opponents say that you know it's not and i have to say and power is more than just bending the rules this could allow him to become president for life beyond twenty twenty four even twenty thirty and so again you know a consistent regime with the same person always the top is not necessarily a state. this referendum is not popular with international human rights groups what about within egypt itself how much opposition is there and who is leading that movement. well there was something called the civil democratic movement which was set up specifically to campaign against the changes the host of this referendum and it was very difficult to find anyone at the polls today who knew anything about it no campaign has heard anything from the know and that's really not who wan

the white house floated bussing migrants to the districts of political foes.he startling new report. whistleblowers say the white house pushed for the bussing of detained immigrants from the southern border to the streets of sanctuary cities in an effort to punish political rivals like house speaker nancy pelosi. >>> also this morning, wikileaks founder julian assange defiant after being dragged out of the ecuadorian embassy, charged with diplomatic secrets. his fight to avoid extra reat this morning the u.s. from that deadly spring blizzard. five states on alert after the record-breaking storm dropping more than two feet of snow, wreaking havoc on roads. >>> new trouble for michael avenatti. the lawyer who t

the general counsel of the homeland security department, who refused to go along with this plan of bussing immigrants to the sanctuary cities is among the people who steven miller and the white house officials are still trying to get fired from the homeland security department. >> so we know that the white house is rebuilding homeland security so it will be interesting to see what policies they look to try and push through with a new team. evan perez talking with us about this developing story, thanks very much, evan. >> thank you. >>> another story following out of washington, the u.s. attorney general set off a fooir storm when he said donald trump's 2016 campaign was spied on. william barr hasn't offered any evidence, but that isn't stopping the president from echoing those claims as we learn from cnn's abby phillips. >> i think what he said was absolutely true. >> reporter: president trump latching on to comments by his attorney general that the fbi and other intelligence agencies under president obama may have spied on his campaign. >> there was absolutely spying into my campaign. >>

a younger senator biden fought hard against bussing for skills. he didn't want integration. take a look. >> i think the concept of bussing, which is the question you just asked or the statement within the question you just asked, that we're going to integrate people so that they all have the same access and they learn to grow up with one another is a rejection of the whole movement of black pride. >> sean: the very same biden told the local newspaper that i don't feel responsible for the sins of my father, grandfather. i'll be damned if i feel responsible to pay for what happened 300 years ago. two decades later as chair of the senate judicialry committee, he provided over justice clarence's confirmation. it was a circuit. thomas called it a modern day lynching. biden went on an apology tour because he offered it to anita hill, the accuser of justice thomas. he's been on this tour apologizing a week now. take a look. >> anita hill, professor, showed the courage of a lifetime. talking about her experience being harassed by clarence thomas. we knew a lot less about harassment

. >>> let get more on the threat to retaliate against democrats over bussing immigrants to sanctuarye have representative of the dallas ft. worth area of texas. sir, welcome. thank you for being here. i appreciate that. >> hello, alex. >> let's get to the dallas area. is that a sanctuary city? >> there's no such thing. i wish people would not use that term. if you break the law in dallas, you are going to be arrested and prosecuted just like anyone else. there's no such thing as that term. it's a term that republicans invented to be difficult vivisi. >> do you get feed baback on th president's bussing of immigrants to cities that have been designated by him? >> we got lots of feedback. people thought it was another cruel way how he uses immigrants as pawns. look, if he were to say democrats and republicans, send me an immigration reform bill, i believe we can do our part in the house with the democrats in control. if he were to say that, i think it would give mitch mcconnell cover to pass something in the senate. since he doesn't have the courage to do it on his own, he would need co

they pes rebeing bussed into the interior of our nation. know, americans believe the illegals are being sent home. they're not. there are 1 million against whom there is a formal order of removal, and another 860,000 waiting for a decision. these people are here to stay, especially if they come with children, and we're doing nothing more than building the next amnesty class. it is simply unsustainable. 100,000 brought in just this past month, a 12-year high. that's what i just said, 100,000 in one month. that's bigger than the town that i grew up in. it has to stop. this is not time for talk. fact, 90% of the heroin brought in through the southern border is killing our kids. fact, kids are being sex traffic ked and rape is simply ignored. fact, transnational gangs bring in 400 pounds of fentanyl through the border, enough to kill our entire country. but you simply don't care. you want open borders. for one reason and one reason only. to make sure you get more people here on your side to vote democrat so you never have to worry about getting

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he's saying they're considering bussing them to sanctuary cities.at's a little bit of political red meat. i don't know if it's illegal. maybe it is. i think dhs thinks there's some problems with that. but i get the politics. >> yeah. and for a president that loves a hollywood flair, can you imagine the moment of this happening, shipping migrants into san francisco, to nancy pelosi's home town? i think there's probably a lot of legal issues. i'm not a lawyer. >> dana: obviously, that's not going to deter migrants from coming to the border. congress won't help him in increasing beds and increasing moneys that are needed to deal with the problem. will he run the risk of looking like he's ineffective if he can't do something through the executive branch if congress won't meet him? >> he campaigned as the deal maker. he was the guy who could get everything done. right now he's being starved for money by this congress. republicans are not with him on this political issue. so he's kind of on an island unto himself. he's trying to find anything that might w

they asked officials if migrants could be arrested and then bussed to smaller and mid-sized sanctuary cities. the white house claimed it was to alleviate a shortage. the top democrat speaker of the house nancy pelosi had this to say through a spokesperson. the extent of the administrator's cynicism and cruelty cannot be overstated. using human being, including little children, as pawns in their warped game to perpetuate fear and demonize immigrants is despicable and in some cases criminal. it was called inappropriate. the white house says this was only a suggestion and no longer under consideration. reporting live, pete suratos for "today in the bay". >> pete, thank you. our coverage of the latest news coming out white house continues next. checks and balances with scott mcgrew coming up in 15 minutes. >>> 5:33. here's a story you will only see on "today in the bay". a scabies scare on vta. it is a skin condition caused by tiny mites. one driver being treated. one driver says he's concerned the buses are too dirty. >> so that is a bit alarming. i think they should heck to see if it wa

trump says he is actually considering bussing immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities in part to spite democrats, at the same time the acting secretary of defense says he expects to send more troops to the southern border. what more can you tell us about these competing ideas? >> reporter: we've seen over the past couple of weeks fred is the trump administration responding ever more dramatically to the surge of migrants coming over the southern border and president trump yesterday confirmed that he is indeed considering a policy of bussing, as you said, migrants into sanctuary city and releasing them there instead of just into the general southwest as customs and border protection is doing now and that came hours after white house officials, administration aides tried to convince reporters that this idea about sanctuary cities was something that was informally brought up in a meeting and quickly dismissed. president trump contradicting his own aides yesterday when he confirmed it. >> we are looking at the possibility, strongly looking at it to be honest with you. california is always s

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nancy pelosi's congressional district in san francisco and, yes, it would have meant putting them on busses at the u.s.-mexico border and driving recent arrivals to san francisco. "the post" goes on to say, "the attempt at political retribution raised alarm within i.c.e., with a top official responding that it was rife with budgetary and liability concerns and noting that there are pr risks as well. ultimately i.c.e.'s legal department rejected the idea as inappropriate and rebuffed the administration." eugene rob, pulitzer prize winning columnist for "the washington post," david jolly, former republican members of congress from the great state of florida, who has since left the grand old party. good evening, gentlemen. nothing more i need to say. eugene, you're the one with the pulitzer. >> brian, this is an astounding story. "the post" story goes on to say this idea seemed to have originated with stephen miller, the white house adviser on immigration and other matters, who seems to be basically functioning as the white house chief of staff now. he orchestrated a purge of the department of

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the president made it clear that he from a messaging standpoint is not taking away things like bussing immigrants to sanctuary cities. all of these hang in the balance, especially at a time where we know the president is getting rid of people who say no to him and he's filling these positions with acting secretaries and acting administrators who say yes more often. >> joyce, last night when the idea of using migrants came out in "the washington post," there was actual hyperventilation. maggie haberman's guess was the president was watching tv and the idea sounds tough to him and being stopped by lawyers doesn't. emily singer tweeted about the idea. trump is so racist. he thinks it's punishment to send brown immigrants into someone's city. it's disgusting. on the law of it, joyce, is it legal to do? >> you know it's an interesting question and we wouldn't know a precise answer until we saw exactly what the president did. there's some question about whether i.c.e. can transport people further once they've caught them. could they actually transport them for hours. would that be some form

they're being bussed to the border and walking across. that there's form of relief available to them through the immigration process, the asylum claims, court decisions. they know that they're likely to be released. that's why you see the numbers increase. >> neil: we hear the administration is pushing that mexico deal with them in the interim. they wait it out in mexico. obviously many have appealed that. various courts are ruling on the legality of that. because up until now, they can wait it out in the united states and escape, right? if that is not allowed, they can't stay in mexico, then another line of defense is down for you, right? >> we're actually doing that here in el paso. it's called the protection protocols. we're returning a slowly increasing number of these aliens to await their immigration proceedings in the united states, actually in mexico and to be brought in at their hearing dates to appear for them. so we're doing that now. the numbers are small right now. they're slowly and steadily increasing. >> neil: if a court w