catalunya i think it's all these things together it's it's a whole nation it's the people basically a thing that people belonging. to belong to the cattle and. it's a language is at least three it's a culture it's a landscape. many things i think. what's. what made. the scottish. people. what makes french people french what makes the american people who is one of the newest nations american i think it's. something which is there to everyone and also something which comes from. in history. and also having some sort of common future something that. something which. in the future is going to be better than what we have now. what we are to the boss was a great answer for listen i don't know what the future holds for catalonia but i hope it so good well i hope it can be toasted in a quick. thanks i know that you know the drill thank you very much risk in the quick you actually have. bought a will to be open to some friends brought from santander as we can do to bring it with you no no because a lot of the. i know were that was going through a thank you for thank you i'm no joined by mark m

of course political opinion is divided in catalunya coming up after the break i'll be interviewing mikhail etc i campaigned against independence and leader of the cattle out of socialist albion few mchale and of those on this dramatic political stage. and indeed this is the. church secret indeed catholic priests accused of sexually abusing children can get away with it literally i like to call this the geographic solution so what the bishop needs to do then he finds out that the priest is is a perpetrator is simply moves him to a different spot were the previous standards not not the highest ranks of the catholic church help conceal the accused priests from the police and justice system to that. i think you're. welcome back to boston and his grandson own doings of the palace of the general a tat of catalonia we've heard from your president. now we're going to hear from the leader of the catalan socialists who has a different perspective on the national question and catalonia again welcome. thank you for having me. your party position as you're opposed to catalan independence but equally yo

but then catalunya have their own key also which is that everything voted in the spanish parliament mass come back to poland and be voted in of referendum so it was a good pact you have both sides have a way to prevent major problems what happens with the constitutional court and breaking the pact was the beginning of all the whole situation we have now because of people say ok so we this is not a fair agreement as it was clear to pieces so the political reaction to that was to change the balance of opinion most of the catalunya which previously had been. for for autonomy but only a minority for independence that then became a much more balanced situation between the independents supporters and those who are still for the union with spain absolutely but i think that was not the only thing at the center i am the movement the started as a graph of the moment and it was very important those so-called popular referendum that was self organize referendums in every little town and then there were i think seven hundred something like this president of which of course what artificial turf and up

velvet divorce between spain and catalunya salute must inevitably you'd have to factor in a period of some economic difficulty seems i'm a i'm a girl's economist they tend to look at the long run ok i have no doubt that in the long run we would be way better off it is catalunya would be better off and that would be as part of spain it as an independent only for the reasons i mentioned i'm not talking about the money in the most most people in catalonia worry about the fiscal deficit the amount of money that the cattle and stay in taxes than never can blackmon i'm not talking about that. being able to choose the right policy is the rate of regulations the right investment through people seriously would argue that an economy the size of catalonia couldn't be a perfectly viable country indeed many economists would argue it's the perfect size and all the gold in size between. five hundred fifty million dollars of evidence for that but is there really an argument that it would be worth the candle the the improvement the economic improvement would be such that it would justify the all the b

architectural garden june of the cataloging capital and the first two programs in the cities from catalunya we've asked about the politics and the economics of this one to be the public is going today we ask a deeper question and that is what is catalunya is that autonomy region of spain is ancient going to be a nation is allowing me to base cultural identity is a community of interest once we can answer that question then we'll be able to the town and when it's likely that catalunya is going to end up but fussed over to test being in the studio if you treat him emails and your messages. and first we hear from evolving peasants he says sort of freshening interruption talking economists super bowl watch and listen terry says great show as ever love the way you end the show on goodbye for now we've seen the last of you and your bonus is alex no you haven't because i'd be back on in a few seconds bob says just catching up on the backlog of alex amateur episodes and interviews with kenny mcleish regarding independence westminster and especially breaks it these are fascinating and that's reminde

journalist rock one the top radio station catalunya you've got your finger on the possible one of the people seeing the events of the last few months well i think there is a lot of worry from people about what's going on in catalonia so maybe some years ago. paul's didn't show a lot of people thinking about this issue people by then were more worried about unemployment economics corruption but from the latest events of last year polls show that people is now thinking about independence as i think unsolved and asking politicians to solve it so well in the middle worst bustling radio station what are your listeners falling on a boat on whether they footing in a boat in the promise of the falling down the politicians to go on with what was the word of the street well i think that there are a lot of people thinking that this issue should be tackled with a referendum other people thinking that there is no way to solve it in an agreed or through an agreement with margaret and that catalan government should go in just declare independence in try to implement our republic and some other peopl

the constitution or our parents for the constitution of spain in the argument years you know seen catalunya voted for the constitution hence you have to state no no yes i love you yes they promised yes i sed where it would be forever but now it's over when you feel the economics of cheap so much notice of growth economic so you would tend to think about the economic terms be pursuing more happens or will period of time than just balance calculations at one point in time not surely much more important so what happened to cattle an economy over the period of time for examples of the poor and there's no. guarantee that our politicians whenever we have in the pen than country our politicians will choose the right policies we are roughly the size of switzerland or portugal. sweden or a little bit larger than finland. now eve we choose policies will end like switzerland not the one of the richest countries in the world one of the most competitive most productive if we follow the east policies then we will end up like now there's no guarantee that we will choose correctly but we will make our own

that we have now as catalan people and that's why we feel that we don't need just a reform of the catalunya statute of don't know me but also reform of the spanish because here to show an id and i think it's the only way out of these problems of the many political systems across the world is very unusual to have that number of people on the streets whatever the point of view i mean that is a sign of a very very politically active and aware community yes i think i'm not for independence but i've always our knowledge the capacity of the problem dependence people to put up these marches and these grassroots organization they they've done things very good and very peacefully and i think that's why we can find a peaceful and and through dialogue solution again thank you very much for the interview now i can't come up for two to solve the catalonia issue but i can present you with the well examined question you know the drill only scorch in the quick and road all your close friends thank you very much very nice thank you for the interview so i say here's one i'm very delighted to be joined by eve

of the policies of the general knowledge of catalunya we've heard from your president. now we're going to hear from the leader of the catalan socialists who has a different perspective on the national question and catalonia again welcome. thank you for having me. your party position is you're opposed to catalan independence equally you're very unhappy with the government the popular party government's response last year to the catalan referendum why are you opposed to tattle on independents i don't see that to separate from spain would be any good for catalonia because i mean you can be a great big throughout they belong in spain and in the european union i don't believe that as more country is difficult world peace would survive better in alone so the first last year when you witnessed scenes that we saw around the world what was your thought as the as the socialist leader in catalonia well i was very worried about the breaking of the rule of law that dependence parties falls upon everyone and i was also very concerned about the. the normal response to the non politica

economics where want to be the public is going to day we ask a deeper question about this what is catalunya is that on the top in this region of spain this ancient going to be a nation is allowing me to base cultural identity is a community of interest once we can answer that question then we'll be able to that we have it's likely that catalonia is going to end up. before stover to be on the studio was the mills. and first we hear from evolving peasants he says sort of freshening interruption free street talking economists super bowl watch and listen terry says great show as ever love the way you end the show on goodbye for now we've seen the last of you and your bonus is alex no you haven't because we're back on in a few seconds bob says just catching up on the backlog of alex salmond two episodes and interviews with kenny mcleish regarding independence westminster and especially breaks it these are fascinating and that's reminder to everybody if you can't watch the show live it's all available on the r.t. dot com website on alex's facebook and ru cheap channel bobby mcpherson says great i

now we've had some reaction to the last in our series of catalunya which aired last week gavin says the show interviews are absolutely brilliant so informative and lets the people speak and get the points for that busting and what a novelty in my opinion get special week by week thank you so much gavin shelley treats inhalation to the show we did with their cattle and economists and says the show gave new meaning to applied economics alex's interviews of the economist education about catalonia and by analogy scotland they demonstrated how small countries can succeed cino emails and to see a good video presentation thank you very much you know for emailing from abroad to contact us now of course but everybody shared positive views in relation to the future of catalonia and indeed scotland in the european union pollie says catalonia is testament to the vicious thuggery of the e.u. at absolute proof scotland will never be given membership spain as an easy member if it had broken the fundamental principles of the e.u. presumably the e.u. would have said so and finally joel says enjoy your g

now we've had some reaction to the last in our series of catalunya which aired last week gavin says the show interviews are absolutely brilliant so informative and lets the people speak and get the point to that busting and what a novelty in my opinion get special week by week thank you so much gabbin shelley treats inhalation to the show we did with their cattle and economists and says the show gave new meaning to applied economics alex's interviews of the economist education about catalonia and by analogy scotland they demonstrated how small countries can succeed cino emails and to see a good video presentation thank you very much you know for emailing from abroad to contact us now of course but everybody shared positive views in relation to the future of catalonia and indeed scotland in the european union poli says catalonia is testament to the vicious thuggery of the e.u. at absolute proof scotland will never be given membership spin as an eager member if it had broken the fundamental principles of the e.u. presumably the e.u. would have said so and finally joe says enjoy your guest

october you remember when they tried to hold a referendum which the partner catherine popularized in catalunya on independence from spain the spanish government sent in paramilitary police to break up a fresh attack police stations to seize ballot boxes to attack voters and there was this complete silence from the european union about what was happening and i think since then it's going to gradually realize that really for the small nations of the regions of the europe the european union doesn't really work and it doesn't really work it's run by the big states and then run essentially by germany and germany and france to the extent of worried about what would happen if catalonia broke free again self-determination the brown vacations that would have elsewhere and essentially sided with spain in repressing that democratic referendum and when i talk about it being a europe story if we go through the chapters and the spanish civil war ghibli missing from british school textbooks is when britain was supporting the fascists there that's how we came to the second world war and we now live in the sha

still says enjoy your guests and catalunya be interesting to hear their opinions now feelings are running high in the ongoing vo to beat here's a selection of reaction outside euston station but a representative sample of course but it's still much support i mean certainly if one has a chance to put it in your head you can get very good value but it doesn't really seem like the way to to run a truck full service to its infrastructure and i it really should be no immediate connectivity should you have to release the prices if you know the. chairperson who gave that quicksilver to their part of the place but when traveling europe and see this way for a longer distance to train train train to cope quite bad with the growth the economy the country that's what we need to the north of course you haven't got that many pretty things going for them at the moment but for the special region kilis still had expensive food and travel around the country. almost on a lot of play in the last place you ditched the trains in last month and you know. yes we don't have to have to find money just to try to ge

look at the long run ok i have no doubt that in the long run we would be way better off this is catalunya would be better off and that would be as part of spain it as an independent only for the reasons i mentioned i'm not talking about the money in the most most people in catalonia worry about the fiscal deficit the amount of money that the cattle and stay in taxes than never can blag and i'm not talking about that. being able to choose the right policies the rate the regulations the right investment few people seriously would argue that an economy the size of catalonia couldn't be a perfectly viable country indeed many economists would argue as the perfect size you know all the gold in size between five and fifteen million all of evidence for that but isn't really an argument that it would be worth the candle the the improvement the economic improvement would be such that it would justify the all the bother of setting up an independent state the size argument is completely silly i mean the size argument is. when i worked for the world economic forum you know the competitiveness in the a