that can't be trusted and it is clear that ccp quick cares really about the ccp.hearing we learned about the threat to our country and how they operate counter to our american values. and our second they learn we learn a lot about how they don't care about their own people and are exploiting slave labor and now we're learning they don't keep the promises that they make or the promises that they break. so let me -- ask you all tonight and we're going to go rapid fire since i know we're short on time but about commitments that we have heard from ccp and i'll address and if you'll answer -- but did china live up to their end of the phase one trade agreement particularly when it comes to imports of u.s. goods? >> no. are we all in agreement here? that's -- that's resound no. okay what about commitments on stopping rampant theft of american innovation has ccp lived up to those agreements? >> so i would say -- no -- but they have made an effort in certain areas but -- overall you would say no. >> it has been reduced. the joke in the industry was that they already had st

but that's not where the ccp's influence ended. the film made no mentions or even implications of the united states' primary adversary, and that's china. any movie related to our national defense that doesn't bring up china, well, it must be set in an alternative universe because that is the biggest defense challenge facing our country. this isn't a conspiracy theory. madam president, you're on senate armed services committee, and we know well china's strategy. the defense world is well aware that china maintains a well-oiled propaganda machine that's measured into our -- meshed into our modern media. you may say oh, come on, it's just a movie. no, this is a serious problem, so serious that it's one our government should address. we can't allow our federal agencies to help elevate messages that support the ccp's goals. and we certainly cannot involve our own defense department and taxpayer dollars in entertainment projects that are beholden to chinese propaganda. as a senior member of the senate armed services committee, i've succe

do you really think the ccp is going to do anything about the climate?a that i've been to, the heirs stinks, you cannot breathe it in and so bad because they're producing products for the world and yet fumes from the production facilities. do you think they will stop doing that so they can clean the climate? >> no. that's why president donald trump pulled out of the paris climate court. the way that you address nations that are being incredibly tough like the chinese with their attempt to rule the international system is to actually pull out of discussions and negotiations and pull out of treaties and regroup and come back with your point of view in your defense of america first that's not what were doing we are seated very different look at how the u.s. government is conducting itself around the world. you are talking about china. i agree with what you're saying, you put it so clearly. also if you look at the nato summit in the european trip that the president just had. he's doing the exact same thing. i was struck by the fact that zelenskyy was basical

so ccp wanted this out there, that janet yellen, ate mushrooms psychedelic. are they mocking her why would ccp put that out there. >> one hundred percent she walked right into it are apparently restaurant claims kicked mushrooms properly so wouldn't have psychedelic effect but opened the door for this taking her staff out for this meal. and it is as if on some kind of you know pleasure trip ininstead of a deadly serious business with greatest global kcal in the form of the ccp. it is embarrassing. and the chinese could be forgiven for thinking, that we are just a bunch of fools who are sending over supplicants on weekly schedule to ask for them to engage with us on climate issues. maria: i mean incredible to me, victoria we keep sending people, begging for a meeting as if communist china is going to do anything about pollution. >> they are not. i mean, report this morning, that we are four times more carbon efficient that about china, four times more efficient than russia making progress on this, they are not. so why are we trying to get some sort of a deal w

we see police stations in america run by ccp officials.ou have seen in china. we have a whole host of new rules and laws that the ccp has put down after marching into hong kong, the prc count, antimonopoly law, national intelligence, the people's republic of china, the foreign sanctions law and unreliable list china security laws, all the laws that they put in place enables the ccp to merge into any foreign business instilled or intellectual property. is this xi jinping trying to model himself, what do you think is going on? what are they trying to do with the marxist threat that seems to be traveling throughout america as a result of the ccp? >> i would say most of the time even though he had ambition he did not make it possible for him to do anything more than can control china periods sheesh and pete thought he had power and the wealth and he showed absolutely with any hesitation that he is global ambition and the ability to do that. that is different. in many ways he's much, much more dangerous than now ever was. maria: i with gordon c

nobody knows more about the ccp than you. then you were the secretary of state, all the while zeroing in on our number one adversary, china. is it because he's compromised, is that why we have this soft approach, what do you think they. >> i don't know precisely. i think what mr. kennedy said is true. we need to investigate all of the moneys that flowed into the biden family. there's no known reason. there's no explanation, there's no actual value that was created in exchange for that we've identified. we should figure that out. when i think about the china policy, however, i'm a little less worried about the why than the what. i'm worried because in every sense they are bowing down to the chinese communist party, they are letting them run all over us, undoing much of the good work done in the trump administration. this presents risk to american people, american commerce, to our way of life and we can fix it. it's not beyond us. the chinese communist party has lots of problems, economic problems, we should demand they behave

cities you are warning ccp using centers to intimidate and surveil chinese americans tell us more about this what is going on? we just learned recently over the last year, about all these police stations in americas surveillance is continuing, and you have also the surveillance balloon what is going on in these cities? >> yes. and, maria, this part of that soft propaganda, that chinese communist party he is is pushed forward we've seen in confucius classrooms, confucius tights sister city programs now find out cultural centers, have been used as surveillance centers so that the chinese communist party can surveil, people that are here in the u.s. chinese citizens that are here in the u.s. or, individuals that have come here to work. what they are trying to do is use these surveillance centers, we know they are doing it on chinese people. but we are wanting to do is see how far this has spread are they surveilling americans? we are looking at the seven cities where we've been able to pinpoint these ocs ocsc, as called centers look at what they are actually doing behind these closed doors

companies may be sending technology to china and the ccp, the state could use. do you know of any american companies involved in creating or funding ai tech that was used to surveilled citizens in china? >> it is one of the greatest perpetrators of what you are saying, microsoft. microsoft has run an ai laboratory in beijing since the late 1990's called microsoft research asia. this is the laboratory that went on for two decades to train many of the top ai technologists and developers in china, many of whom went on to sanction -- to now sanction firms. the last firm escapes me at the moment. major multimillion dol -- multibillion-dollar firms. they were directly involved in creating the facial recognition and voice recognition technologies that were sold directly to chinese authorities to the defense ministry, to the public security bureau, and the state security bureau. microsoft has created itself at the core of the chinese ai ecosystem and even just -- i have an article in the financial times, just reported this week. microsoft will be moved and many of the a

supporters _ proceeds he sees the —— pro ccp supporters.rassed by ccp supporters and it is a different— harassed by ccp supporters and it is a different life to live in exile but i — a different life to live in exile but i also _ a different life to live in exile but i also think that it is a matter of how— but i also think that it is a matter of how we — but i also think that it is a matter of how we manage these environments and make _ of how we manage these environments and make sure we do not spread fear among _ and make sure we do not spread fear among our— and make sure we do not spread fear among our community because let's try very— among our community because let's try very best in the past years to make _ try very best in the past years to make sure — try very best in the past years to make sure community is a safe space and the _ make sure community is a safe space and the act _ make sure community is a safe space and the act of putting bounties on these _ and the act of putting bounties on these oversees activists is also a way

before the ccp first reported cases of covid-19.they also knew the ccp was preventing journalists investigate a global health authorities from accessing the wuhan institute of virology. they also knew that started in 2016 well before this, so the wuhan institute of virology was researching the bat coronavirus with the closest relationship to sars covfefe two, 96.2% similar. the wuhan institute of virology is publish published res gain to function research. and the state department memo also said that the u.s. government determine the wuhan institute of virology collaborated, collaborate on publication and secret projects with the ccp military since at least 2017. and you you know what else we know? we know that dr. fauci at the come into, in many age funded through a grant eco-alliance with a gain of function research. we know that for a fact our government pay for it, our taxpayers unfortunately unknowingly paid for it. so we know all this to be true and we know what was going on at the wuhan institute of virology. mr. lowenthal, w

the president admits the ccp wants to overtake america as the number one super power but is he doingy with every communications exercise of the administration, you sort of have to scratch your head and ask which policy is it, which direction are you seeking to go? in past administrations republican or democrat you would be able to kind of get a clear direction from a president or maybe some kind of indication from congress or from an election the direction the country is going and that would sort of trickle down from the president to cabinet secretaries. so president biden and his team on the one hand say xi jinping is trying to displace america and rewrite the rules, but that's okay because for some reason we think they're not going to seek war. no idea what the evidence of that would be. then we have the national security advisor, the secretary of state, the secretary of treasury, we hear the cry nat climateczar on the way to chinag for meetings on behalf of the president. they have poisoned us with covid, poisoned us with fentanyl and we're the ones beating the door down for meeti

so ccp official sources. they were using pro, vision media and really not offering that much of a kind of val, it's a kind of point and these are the sensitive topics. and then last time that we also found that their opinion section actually had a number of um, ccp, you know, katia officials involved in actually propaganda writing these beds. but they would not be the identified. a such just simply identified as china is coming to this. and so what impact does something like that have on ethic, chinese and singapore? yes, so you know, the one really interesting thing that's been happening in, in recent years is that the ethic trinity is population single floor especially um, southern parts of it. older, older people specifically have to come more and more sort of over the probation in the views. you know, people have been posting on read it single, which is very vibrant for him. saying that the parents, instead of being radical, i as you know i, i grew up in single pool. so i said friends told me that the par

as we all know, the ccp is really a trash national criminal organization around the west. and you to be in the considering these claims have been reported about china and full trading into these western countries. how safe are, how confident are you in canadian authorities to protect you? i'm certainly not going to ask for details about what they're doing to protect you and to help you. but are you confident that enough is being done? i know they've done nothing and we have defend false celts and really trap really has to have to be care for and look or wrong. uh, make sure you never know and issue. the chinese are very low change, so we need to be they have agents everywhere. and even on the, as you know, the many, many chinese from mainland china and we don't know whether the, the, they're working for the ccp or not. especially with the us sultan border being open, i would say not whole, not a least, a few 100 coming in on a daily basis. well, if you're not getting a lot of help then from the local authorities and adding to the fact that you have announced that you want

keep in mind that the ccp by their own words has been engaged in what they call on restrictive warfare since the 1990s. and that means on restrictive warfare against united states and the west and every category, economic, military, political, cultural, last 30 years has been their sole purpose is global domination. we have a president that is completely weak, president trump was strong on china and if he comes back and a second term as i believe he will, there will be a different posture for american foreign policy with regard to the ccp. >> pete: and also really helps if he had not been entangled in a really shady international deals with top-level ccp members. that is a bonus. thank you very much. and up next it is our pulse of the nation's segment. we examine two data points that have the democrat like countries in the world in crisis world. there glowing hispanic and our poster panel dissects that next. - [narrator] carvana has hundreds of thousands of five star reviews and counting. - this was our second purchase through carvana, it was really fast. this time we traded in a car a

the ccp is indeed that. they go back to 2004 when the secretary said to go to war with the army you have and not the army that you might want or wish to have at a later time. we see the expansion's efforts by the chinese communist party. i would like to point to this first chart. this is where we were in 1999. as you can see we were in pretty good shape in relation to the influence and the chinese communist party and their military assets. let's fast forward to today. we see modernized purely forces and we see the area of influence significant strategic overmatched by the chinese. incredible. it is hard to believe that this is what they have done through those years to not only catch up to surpass us. the next chart is what keeps me up at night. this is where the ccp will be in 2025. just down the road. and they have said that if it doesn't happen by 2027 they will take military action. we know what is in store. we know where this disparity exists. we see the. this should be a sobering effect for all of us.

you know, today, janet yellen arrived in beijing to grovelo to the ccp and beg for smoother relations with the chinese communist party. and at the same, xi jinping wasn actually giving a war speech to the plo, the people's liberation army's eastern theater command. that command would lead any lea attack on taiwan. was >> so that was no coincidence that he was giving a war talden at the same time, our treasuryry secretary was on the ground in hi secreon thes country trying e his regime. look, no american administration, no american administration should be requesting high profile, high level meetings or summits with any adversary without a cleaitr agenda, clear objectives and real deliverables at the end ofthos those meetings. that has been the standardughout throughout american history. and yet this administration n, led by a president who looks wholly compromised by the ccprep to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, is taking the exacte opposite approach of appeasement and weaknessch. and we know what happens when we've got american weakness. it is a provocatioamerics and ie good

national security laws against ccp companies and human rights abusers, right now were talking about then shanghai all the wall street firms want to in they want the fees attached to the ipo the ipo is good to be in shanghai and i spoke with kyle bass about that yesterday, here's what he said. >> if you know the wall street banks put out a formal role in the ipo it's in a share listing the two chinese companies in charge who in their begging and pleading with the company to let them do a listed america and let them raise money from sovereign wealth funds in americans to help china build their strategic food supply so they can go to war with the west. it's actually insane i wake up every day thinking of taking crazy pills. maria: at this point isn't it time to get limitation in terms of investigator number one adversary. >> absolutely the last thing we want to do is improve the efficiency of the capital markets. think washington understands the technology side but it's too limited and you have to do the general industrial base in sin junta whether you count as agriculture and chemicals ch

we assess that the chinese communist party, or ccp, under president xi jinping will continue efforts over the next year to achieve xi's vision of making china the preeminent power in east asia, and a major power on the world stage. what is perhaps most concerning is that the ccp is increasingly convinced that it could only fulfill xi's vision at the expense of u.s. power and influence, and throw tools of coercion, using demonstrations of strength, as well as economic and political coercion, to compel governments to acquiesce to the ccp preferences. including the land, sea, and air claims in the region and its assertions of sovereignty over taiwan, and the relationship between united states and china. this relationship has consequently become more challenging. she's public reference to americas suppression of china in march of this year reflects his long-standing distrust of u.s. goals, and his belief that the united states seeks to contain china. his speech was the most public and direct criticism that we have seen from him to date, and probably reflects growing pessimism in beijing

though a special leave the ccp, it is a transnational criminal organization. the west needs to be alert. >> considering these claims have been reported about china infiltrating into these western countries, how safe or how confident are you in canadian authorities to protect you? i'm not going to ask for details about what they're doing to help you, but are you confident that enough is being done? >> no, they have done nothing and we have to fend for ourselves. and really traveling have to be careful and look around and make sure, you never know. make sure that the chinese are very well trained, so we have agents everywhere. and even as you know there are many chinese from mainland china in we do not know whether they are working for the ccp or not, especially with the u.s. southern border being open, at least a few hundred coming in on a daily basis. >> if you are not getting a lot of help then from the local authorities and adding to the fact that you have announced that you want to set up a hong kong parliament in exile, with all respect, aren't you making

the ccp the story to outpace us on the battlefield as well. the ccp is leapfrogged us on hypersonic technology. they're fielding what we are still developing. and the rapid advances in space when the primary reasons we established the space force. we all know the ccp is not building these new and advanced military capabilities for self-defense. we watched the ongoing attempts to intimidate and coerce taiwan and our allies and partners in the region. just this week they threaten the navy with serious consequences after we exercise our right to sail through international waters in the south china sea. and we have heard from combatant commanders over the past month about how the ccp has used economic coercion to gain foothold on new continents. we also heard from their efforts to expand the military presence in africa and site a new security agreement in south america and the middle east. finally, we all know from the spy balloon incident that xi and ccp are no longer hesitant to make provocative actions against americans in the american homeland

you will not buy land in this country as the ccp. you will not donate to universities in this country as the ccp. we will ban most u.s. businesses from expanding into the chinese market and hold you accountable for unleashing hell on the world with the covid pandemic using every financial level we have available including our national debt. we will close the southern border so you are no longer fighting in opium war, pumping fentanyl across our southern border, killing 200 americans per day in this country, pumping digital sent no in the form of tiktok -- digital sent no -- fentanyl in the form of tiktok. when i say we will declare our independence from china, i mean it. we will do it and that is the first but i will also not make false promises. it will not happen overnight and i still do not want americans left holding the bag so here is what we would do in my first six months of office. we would shore up our agreements with japan, south korea, india, southeast asia, australia, south america to put me in a strong position when i am

can't think that has something to do with it and if this is a direct relationships with the ccp companythat they've obviously paid you and your son millions and can't think it has something to do with it and no way and zero changes to do this under president trump and this is a direct attack on united states citizens and businesses. when they talk about the word espionage, that's the lead title of this, espionage and national security with no definition, that holds every american citizen that goes to china to do business or on vacation liable and anything that the communist party of china wants to interpret and rescue and hold you in contempt for. rachel: incredible. this is the decision on student debt and loans and saying that you're being hypocritical because you're -- you were tied to companies that received ppp, ppp loans so listen to this. >> fighting against a program that helped millions of their own constituents and handing trillions of tax cuts to billions of corporations in the super wealthy and many had no problems accepting millions of dollars in forgiven pandemic loans. li

the most powerful ccp leader since mau himself.the cost of this zombie engagement approach. it happened on human rights. when john kerry asked about the numerous reports of uighur forced labor being used to build solar panels he said it's not my lane. not my lane. i don't know what's going on there. that's an abhorrent response and typical of all the zombie engageers and thinking and they delude themselves that they can separate their pet issue from the genocidal communist nature of the regime in beijing. we deal with a marxist len-inist ridge emotion with complete rule by xi jinping. >> dana: jake sullivan was talking about this chinese hack into government computers, u.s. government computers. he says that no classified information was accessed. is that your assessment as well? >> based on what i've seen, yes. that's also not a cause for celebration. during the opm hack in 2015 when my military records and millions of others were compromised. they weren't classified but gave the chinese party leverage over us. the information can

this is probably been one of the most important things that the ccp has been pressuring the u.s.n we had a surveillance balloon travel the country. we had police stations in america. we had a cover-up on covid. they will not engage so the u.s. sends all of the people to try to negotiate with china and as were doing so they hack into our e-mails and hacking into the state department in the commerce department and getting a whole sense of what the u.s. position is because they got into anthony blinken in the state department e-mails. we respond by potentially lifting sanctions, i don't understand this, no response to the bad behavior coming out of the ccp and we continue to rollover, why? >> i think something happened after the spy balloon incident, there seems to be a change taking place in terms of the united states desire for engagement regardless of china's behavior. the fact that were crawling back into the negotiation talks of the chinese after the spy balloon incident and it's quite remarkable in itself. i'm not disabused the fact that were talking to china is bad, i don't t

and we don't know whether the dia they're working for the ccp or not. especially with the us sultan border being open. i will say no, not a least, a few 100 coming in on a daily basis. well, if you're not getting a lot of help, then from the local authorities and adding to the fact that you have announced that you want to set up a hong kong parliament and exile. i mean with all respect, are you making yourself? um, you know, a walking target for hong kong. afterwards, we have a device, a way to do everything on the internet, including the lexi. uh, we have a very innovative way to do a self registration using the chip in your passports. and then using uh, broadcasting technology to, uh, uh, at full and the vpn football team. so later on, the campaigning for voltage and also even up to the parliamentary phone or the meetings can be conducted online. and this is what we intend to do. of course, the company is going to use cyber tech on our system, but that's the way it is. we have to keep on because right now hold on, people has no representation, the leg

at the end of the day, the ccp respects hard power. i'm concerned. the strong america can deter conflict. i think a week america may be on the path to inviting conflict with china and if we continue to be weak abroad and allow our culture to deteriorate at home, we could have a situation where our kids or grandkids are memorizing 37 different pronouns in mandarin, and we cannot have that, so we've got to do better as a country. we need to reverse the decline of this country because it is happening very, very quickly. >> you inherit this mess a year, year and a half from now, say. what do you do about it? >> one, europe needs to do more. this is their backyard. we have nato countries that don't produce support for their own defenses, and we are supposed to do it, and we are taking away weapons and ammo? we would do more in terms of the indo pacific, and the goal should be to bring it to a conclusion. you bring it to a conclusion in a way that is a sustainable peace, and you have to be able to use different levers. one of the leverages i would use it a

there is a select committee on the ccp now, the chinese communist party.ch i have mixed feelings about, as a side note. their little to that committee, enabling a chinese-backed iranian arms supplier and making him a simple piece of the oversight investigations calls into question whether the ccp has tainted the oversight committee and its work. you want that committee to look into the over such committee you saw the guy? >> certainly chairman comer is not going to do any deep dive to figure out if this guy is compromised and is peddling information on behalf of china that might undermine our national security. and if we are going to have a select committee on the ccp, as you say, with some misgivings, than they ought to make sure that the chinese government is not infiltrating this body itself, and potentially trying to launder information through an official committee of congress to undermine our national security. we don't even know the extent of this involvement, china's involvement with this individual. we just know he has been charged as an unregiste

the ccp doesn't play by the rules. they make up their own rules.o protect this country and that's why i support increasing our military defense dollars to be able to do that very thing. maria: i will be speaking with italian prime minister this weekend on sunday morning futures, giorgia meloni will join me in an exclusive interview on what italy is doing to push back on china so i hope you will join me for that special interview this sunday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. congresswoman, before you go, real quick, is a government shutdown in the cards here because i know that funding is running out on september 30th, you're going on the recess. when you come back, you've got all of those 12 appropriations bills to deal with. will a shutdown happen between october 1st and christmas? >> i do not believe that we will have a government shutdown. i believe now that the house has passed an appropriations bill, the senate has done the same, we'll start looking at trying to merge those together and come up with a compromise to get done before tend of the year. we pa

you'll not donate to universities in this country as a ccp.will ban u.s. businesses from expanding into the chinese market. who will hold you accountable for unleashing hell on the world using every financial level we have available including guests our national debt. we will close that southern border you are no longer fighting in opioid war that's a one-sided opioid war pumping fentanyl across our southern border killing 200 americans per day in this country. [applause] digital fence on the kids hands in the form of tiktok. we are done with our addiction problem to china. that is how we are going to do it. when i sit across and xi jinping he's going to know that i mean that this is a little different than some in our party. when i say declare independence from china actually mean o it. i would love her and we will ensure a lot of that affect units is will absolutely do it is the first best option. i also will not make any false promises. that won't happen overnight and i still do not want americans being left holding the bag. so here's what

do you believe that the ccp is also spying on italy?s. i mean, the fact is that we have to understand that it's a system that is quite different from ours. the role that enterprises have is not the same that they have of in a system like ours. i mean, our enterprises don't have to pass data to the government if the government asks. that is what makes the difference. and then with regard to china, i think the problem is how we come back to the discussion we were doing about globalization, it's how we can manage a world in which we understood finally that commerce can be free only if it is also fair. but instead there is a great problem for those who have rules and targets that are quite high with workers, with environmental rules. we ask much, a lot to our enterprises to do to respect our civilization, but then we have to consider when we trade with somebody who doesn't follow the same rules and doesn't have the same standardser creating great problems for our economy. maria: is there the a conservative movement taking place throughout e

a lot of chinese people want that, and the ccp is not delivering. that is why china is a huge problem for beijing. host: let's talk to kino on lakeland, florida. caller: praise be to c-span. my question to your guest is there is a book that came out last year, and he predictss a demographic collapse within china in the next 10 to 15 years, and globalization will cease because globalization is based on china's economy. china's population may be halv ed. what do you make of his prediction that the whole of the chinese economy will collapse in 15 years? guest: i'm not aware of the book but i am aware of these statistics in chinese demographics. it is true that the generation in china is about my age. i was born in china. i was born in the year the one child policy was implemented in my province. a typical prime age chinese person lives in a family. they have one child because the cost-of-living now is so high, they are not having more than one child. then they have 4 grandparents. that is a lot of stress on the chinese economy. the trend is not changin

i think it is just political gestures made by the ccp regime if they want the world to know that theyi think it is more for the hong kong diaspora as a whole than the eight of us. i as a whole than the eight of us. ., ., as a whole than the eight of us, ., ., ., as a whole than the eight of us. ., ., ., a ., as a whole than the eight of us. i want to ask a personal question. — us. i want to ask a personal question. if— us. i want to ask a personal question, if i _ us. i want to ask a personal question, ifi may. - us. i want to ask a personal question, ifi may. how- us. i want to ask a personall question, ifi may. how does question, if i may. how does this make you feel? even as someone who used to go to hong kong as a visitor, it makes you realise how hong kong has changed so much injust three years. this latest move, it really goes to show how the city has changed, hasn't it? yes, the city has changed so much, it's almost unrecognisable. it used to be an open and free society and we used to be able to criticise government without any fear, so suddenly there is no protests, no free me

you know, survivor is depending on chinese survival like ccp. survivor so really quite going to die. and if china's miraculously changes direction and becoming more democratic and becoming more humane or they collapse themselves, become more democratic system in then north korea, follow exact same path. and i think that would be the best scenario. you know that like 1.4 billion people in china final are free and so many people will gain freedom because of collapse of ccp. thank you. thank you so much, everyone that every.

he should be up for some lifetime achievement award for helping the ccp. >> china and the united states find a way to cooperate with respect to the climate crosses and by cooperating we can accelerate the transition, reduce the omissions. >> laura: this is all normal. we know that it is normal that the president and his family gets rich because of his official positions. let's not forget what hunter and it is quoted as saying. they are the best at doing what the chairman wants. no matter the evidence, no matter the whistle-blower testimony depressed is not give. >> we don't know the verification we don't know whether he was exaggerating. i found it to be awfully flimsy to build any sort of an investigation. >> laura: substitute donald jr. for hunter was the same set of facts and trying to validate with the message. speaking of inconvenient facts, defects that our border is totally open for cartels and human traffickers to exploit, the biden coalition wants you to think it is okay. >> what is the definition of a secure border? >> in the context of what we are working it is maximizing the