charlie: when was this? gus: that was about 2013. charlie: four years ago.hter] charlie: and what is your role now? gus: my role is i run the digital operations of the business. i run the digital editorial of the business, and i oversee ad sales and marketing across the company. charlie: so where are you in terms of where the magazine is at its 50th anniversary? gus: -- jann: me, personally? i'm doing kind of three things. i'm enjoying continuing the magazine, and being a part of that, all the excitement that comes with it, particularly the times we live in now. secondly, i'm looking for new things for us to do, using the brand and what we do to look at the other mediums available for us. i'm very excited about that. thirdly, i'm kind of helping gus -- he's helping me learn the ropes. i'm sort of watching him take over. charlie: you're teaching him and he's teaching you. at what point will he take over? jann: i think some point in the near future we are looking at a transition. we are well on the way to it now. we haven't exactly decided the nature of it, bu

-lemonis: charlie? -charlie: that's a good one. and the purple. in some areas, it's harsh for me. woman #4: so this is inspired by moroccan tiles. charlie: oh, wow. mary ellen: i love it, how you have it placed on the towel. chuck: i love the color palette. i'm not crazy about the print at all. mary ellen: historically, we sell to the buyer's needs, and that buyer is a middle-aged, older mind-set. and you're fantastic at selling them, but if we want to move forward and capture a younger audience, i think what you've done is beautiful. lemonis: what i will tell you, chuck, what does concern me, is you fall back to older a lot. any designer has to have an open mind about everything because designing is a collaboration, and after seeing the way he reacted to the work, it told me right there and then -- this guy can't lead the design process. i think my biggest concern with the company is the design process. it really has, historically, just been you coming up with ideas. chuck: without a question of a doubt. lemonis: your talent and y

charlie: no, no.'ll give you time to talk about them all you want to. al: no, it -- very often democratic messaging, i say this in the book, our problem is, is that all our bumper stickers end with, continued on next bumper sticker. and i don't want to do that here. charlie: you said and have said that celebrity today in the political world triumphs ideology. al: actually, trumps ideology. i didn't mean it as a pun. charlie: what did i say? al: triumphs. charlie: i meant trumps. al: maybe you have a hard time saying trumps. charlie: no, no. believing what, if you've got big name recognition you can win over people who are policy wonks. al: i think i first made this observation when i went to republican conventions for comedy central or my radio show. i'd go to the conventions, people were like, hi, al. all i did was, you know -- savaging your people and hi, al. charlie: i remember that great skit, i'm going to vote for you next time. al: believe me. i write about the 2008 campaign and everything i'd e

charlie: it is great to have you here. elliott: thank you, charlie. charlie: so what is he about?ver the hill actor who has been gone for a long time, and makes his living as a voiceover actor at this point. he is known for one film that market, and western he has paid the price along the way. he has lost his connection to his family, he and his wife are separated, divorced, his daughter is on the outs with him, he no longer works and smokes to watch -- smokes too much marijuana and drinks too counterd gets a diagnosis at the top of the movie, and spent -- cancer diagnosis at the top of the movie, and spends the bulk of the film going over the mess he has made of it. do you feel like this parallels you? yes, it really does in some way. there are four exceptions. i am still happily married after 33 years, we have been together for 39 years. -- aughter charlie: where did you meet? mr. elliott: we met on the set of a film called "the legacy." charlie: i also don't have cancer, -- mr. elliott: i also don't have cancer, i love my daughter, and i don't smoke a lot of dope. charlie: you

charlie: george clooney said "you do the best charlie rose i have ever seen. mr.iott: ben johnson told me he may not be a very good actor, but nobody can played ben johnson like i can. i have always kept that in mind. charlie: here is what is interesting about you. everyone knows -- if you say sam elliott, they know what that means. that says voice, laconic, integrity, all of those things. mr. elliott: you are very kind to say that. is it true or not? mr. elliott: it is not true that everybody knows, by any stretch. but i would like to think those are true. i know hyatt -- i know i have got the voice i know i am very , laconic. i would like to think i have got plenty of integrity. charlie: everybody in hollywood knows that if a director says "give me a sam elliott," they know what that mean. mr. elliott: get the guy with the deep voice and the laconic. being glib about it. i guess it is great to be a type, you know? i was typed as a westerner for a long, long time, and i used to bristle at that. but i have made peace with it and i realize that if it were not for t

charlie: william burns is here.n 2015, he became president for the carnegie endowment for international peace. he retired from the foreign service in 2014 after 33 years in the state department, where he helped with russia and jordan. he was only the second career diplomat to become secretary of state, serving under hillary clinton and john kerry. john kerry described him as a diplomat's diplomat, on a short list of american diplomatic legends. good to see you. legend? bill: hardly. charlie: good to see you. let's just talk about the world. when you look from washington, tell me where the problem areas are. there is oh the middle east. beyond that? >> i think the two imminent problems are north korea, where the regime is making steady progress toward having a missile you could put a nuclear warhead on and strike the continental u.s.. i think there is an increasing danger of collision with iran. there are a lot of deeper problems, too. this is one of those periods of transformation on the international landscape, sor

charlie: are you qualified to do that? >> i am a good interviewer, charlie.hter] that's why i recognize a good interviewer in you. but i think that we play that role in the national conversation. charlie: that is in terms of national politics. >> yes, but also the culture. charlie: and the culture, how the culture is changing. beculture should always changing. it's designed to evolve and be contemporary. particularly popular culture. we are always on the leading edge of that. culture,he coverage of you learn so much about what society is about, more so than politics. charlie: culture as part of the continuity of a society. >> and you read what the society is thinking and what people are doing. and who defines the culture? it is great artists. charlie: exactly. do you have any musical talent? >> minor. [laughter] i can sing along with records really well in concerts. i used to play the guitar with gus, but he outpaced me. charlie: at one time did you think you could be a musician? >> i realized i was better at business than singing. >> i didn't want to take gu

charlie: thank you, phil. thank you very much. >> thank you, charlie.harlie: we will be right back. stay with us. ♪ charlie: we turn now to north korea. 22-year-old american student otto warmbier died monday, less than a week since being brought home. he had been in a coma in the week up to his death. u.s. officials were quick to condemn north korea's treatment of warmbier. secretary of state rex tillerson said, the u.s. holds north korea accountable for his treatment and unjust imprisonment. while senator john mccain calls warmbier's death and murder by the kim jong-un regime. this comes at a time of escalating tension in u.s.-north korea relations. yesterday, president trump's tweeted that china's effort to help out with north korea is not -- has not worked out. joining me from washington, david singer national security , correspondent from "the new york times." and from florida, a former ambassador to south korea and currently the dean of international studies at the university of denver. i'm pleased to have both of them. let me begin with this. what

burns: i agree, charlie. it is no longer how it was two decades after the end of the cold war, when united states was the dominant player in the international system. you have the fusion of power, the rise of china, over the longer term the rise of india, but at the same time you have increasing uncertainty, especially in advanced economies, about the future of globalization. a lot of people frustrated about that. and you have the increasingly unsettled question of america's role in the world. you put it all together and it creates a fair amount of flux and uncertainty. davos,: interesting at where leaders come to speak, the champion of globalization was xi jinping. mr. burns: and it is richly ironic that the chinese leader becomes the champion of openness and everything else. it underscores the point you made before, people are going to fill a vacuum when they see the opportunity to do so. charlie: i just heard on the radio news that china is building a huge port somewhere. i don't know if it was in the midd

dan: thank you, charlie.harlie: tell me why the president felt compelled to do this, and let's grant him that perhaps he thought it was in the national interest to do this. perhaps he did not believe the accord was the best that could be had. let's assume that is part of his mindset. but what else? dan: charlie, i think you go back to first principles with president trump. we saw it during the campaign and have seen it at important moments during the first months of the administration. there are certain things he believes that have to do with the economic status of the united states and the role of global agreements, whether a trade or environmental agreement. he has had a long-standing view that i think predates his arrival into politics, formed years ago. and i'm not exactly sure how or why they were formed. but the idea that in one way or another, we have been taken advantage of. i think it is fundamental to the way he sees the world and his role as president. he said months ago i was elected to be preside

charlie cole and -- charlie: what happened to the money?dly, millions of dollars were swindled during his crimes, during this criminal conspiracy. a lot of the oil was gradually depleted. some of the osage still him -- still receive oil money today. it is not the millions they once did. they are a very vibrant nation. there are still 4000 osage that live in that area. there are 20,000 with voting him -- with voting rights in democratic institutions. they have found other sources of income, including from casinos. as one osage lawyer said we were victims of these crimes, but we don't live as victims. charlie: what is the flower killing moon? david: every month, it is named after a moment. the month of may is known as the little flower killing moon. during that month, all of these beautiful little flowers spread over the prairie. they look almost like confetti. taller plants come, they still -- steal the water, and they die. it is in the month of may where molly's sister first disappears and the first brutal murder takes place. charlie: what

charlie: in the tavern? he haunted that little place. -- christopher: he haunted that little place. and he got up and harangued, i don't really remember what it was all about. it was so musical. he was extraordinary. he could talk on any subject. a charlie: do you have any great regrets? that you didn't take this opportunity to do something when it was within grasp? christopher: i don't have regrets. i have been extremely lucky. i have managed to cut terrible corners in my life and i have gotten away with it. charlie: like what? christopher: i can't tell you, it's too embarrassing. to be lazy and do it all technically. but that was only for a while and that i got down to the serious stuff. as i got older i realized there wasn't that much time left and i better be good and real and honest when i do my work. charlie: but you have always taken the work seriously. christopher: even though i have had horrendous fun. i have had marvelous fun. >> it is important for you to be good. >> yes. >> i think laurence olivi

charlie: charlie: i read this and i'm asking you, you played lear. you reach back into your sense of lear as a portrayal of kaiser wilhelm? christopher: there is a lot of lear, you are absolutely right, in kaiser wilhelm. he values his medals more than he does his kingdom and he really is a -- lear was just "forked animal," as shakespeare calls it. once you brush all the honors away you are a forked animal. he is an animal on a spit. lear was a good thing. i did indeed think about it, but i had fun with kaiser. he was a wonderful strutter. -- imagine firing bismarck when europe absolutely needed that. charlie: when you approach these, why did you take this role? christopher: first of all, i love good writing and the assignment was very good. you don't often get it on the screen -- it was also a wonderful theatrical character and something i had never done before. i had never played the kaiser. i don't know who has played the kaiser, actually. perhaps some german actor has done it on the box. do you? i can't remember. i thought, i have got to grab thi

charlie: what do you mean?: the shade, giving each scene a different tone, on a different plane. you do it in theater because you have all the great writers. you don't always get a chance to do it on screen. and here was a chance. charlie: you have a chance to be more influenced by your colleagues, your other actors on stage been you doing film? christopher: yes. charlie: often scenes are shot differently. christopher: yes. there is a bond. i had a pal, jason robards, and we tore this town apart, or that we did. charlie: what did you do when you tore the town apart? was this the bar? christopher: nothing is the same. i don't mind being an old fashioned fun. charlie: the saloon idea is gone. christopher: these to play scenes together on the stage and we would always whisper under the line. we used to say, where should we go tonight? we used to go down to the white horse tavern. village?in the and i saw dylan thomas get up and speak. charlie: in the tavern? christopher: he haunted that little place. charlie: woul

charlie: which was?-david: it was the systematic targeting of the osage, one by one for the oil money. charlie: to become the largest per capita individuals in the world. in 1870, an osage chief stepped up when they were being driven off of their land and he said we should move to what was indian territory. he said we should move there because the land is rocky. it is infertile and the white man considers it worthless. my people will finally be happy in this land. the osage migrated to this territory, they purchased it, they migrated there. it was about the size of delaware. low and behold, it was sitting on some of the largest deposits of oil. by the early 20th century, the osage had become the most wealthy people per capita in the world. charlie: how many were there? david: there were 2000 or sue. in 1923, that you're alone, those 2000 or so would be worth $400 million. they live in mansions. they had servants, many of whom were white. all of this belied long-standing racial stereotypes. it was said at

♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. charlie: we begin with politics.ttorney general jeff sessions appeared before the senate intelligence committee and he hiscalled to testify about recusal from the russian investigation and his role in the firing of james comey. the exchange was at times combative and some challenge his version of events and others accused him of stonewalling. >> i believe the american people have had it with stonewalling . americans don't want to hear that answers to relevant questions are off-limits or cannot be provided in public. or that it would be inappropriate for witnesses to tell us what they know. we talking about an attack on our democratic institutions and stonewalling of any kind is unacceptable. and general sessions has acknowledged that there is no legal basis for this stonewalling. sessions: senator wyden, i am not stonewalling. i am following the policies of the department of justice. you don't walk into any hearing or committee meeting and reveal confidential communications with the president of the united states. ch

brian: nice to see you, charlie. charlie: there were many winston churchills.ere were many. you know, people forget about churchill. we have churchill the hero, the master of the second war, the great rhetorical speaker, the great broadcaster, the guy that got us through the war. all babies look like winston churchill and winston churchill look like all babies. there was this childlike quality he had. the little boy that was abandoned to his grandfather who the earl of marlborough. his mother jenny was not always there. his father randolph had syphilis and was quite out of it most of the time. he was this kind of lonely child who kind of the sealed his destiny by being a child, by being on the outside, by actually taking something and saying, no, i'm going to go this way. and he did that throughout his entire career. so, by the time he had reached the time of the second world war, he was very much in the wilderness. he was a man -- charlie: he spent the 1930's in the wilderness. brian: he did, indeed. this is the great thing about him. he incurs, for example, h

charlie: and helpful. >> and helpful.ere is no reason that conversation has to stop during the transition. there is every reason to believe it should increase. here's the last point i will make, charlie. people,some particularly some people inhe media have been quick to grab this and conclude that something was done here that was inappropriate or even criminal. simply don't think the that thewe know them, facts of the media take you there to the judgment that there was something wrong down here. we have to be patient, we have to let the in -- have to be -- have to let the fbi do its investigation. charlie: -- she was interested in the question of whether americans guided russians on how to weaponize information used against her? guest: i want to know that too. that's why there is this focus on did anybody in the trump camp help the russians with both what to do with the information they stole from the dnc and with what the information -- what to do with the information stolen from -- and what fake news to amplify they'll

charlie: yeah, exactly. but if you agree with his impression that what he said in the hearing, and this is probably due to a lot of great reporting that has gone on, what he said in the hearing was basically what we expected. charlie: exactly. >> it was a lot more gripping and colorful, but the problem for the white house was optics, not substance. not new substance. that is important. charlie: this is not only an issue of questions of legality and criminality, but it is also issues of questions of public opinion, because public opinion -- if you cannot hold the public in terms of support for your position, then you begin to lose at every level. mike: for your viewers, this is an important insight you do not necessarily pick up from the daily coverage. that is when this white house ands back at the campaign, when they got in trouble, and goodness knows, this campaign has plenty of low spots, what did they do? they doubled down. they were aggressive, and they went after their base, their supporters. they kept

charlie: i am the second.ughter] >> they had a wonderful symposium, with john chancellor as the moderator and all the chiefs of staff. and some people who had been key to the administration, like ted sorensen. it was a public event, we all got a question. in athletic terms, what would you compare the chief of staff's job to? i said you could say blocking back some would say quarterback, , goalie, to keep the other guy from scoring too much. the one role that comes to my mind immediately is, javelin catcher. charlie: no one catches the javelin. someone said, get me a tough s.o.b. you have to be, to be good? >> it depends on the president's personality. the one thing the chief of staff cannot do is be inconsistent with the way the president runs the white house. no, i do not think you have to be an s.o.b. >> you have to be tough sometimes you have to be able to , make the tough decision to fire someone or reassign someone from one position to another position. that is not easy. it is not easy because you know th

charlie: of course -- after nora, got to do hamlet. charlie: of course.s to be or not to be and nora was to be. [laughter] sam: she was to be for sure. yourie: oscar isaac is hamlet? laura: >> i am finishing up a play about my mother. it is a play in the form of a documentary about an incident where my mother, about 20 or so years ago, was actually kidnapped, so it is based on interviews with her. and it is a really strange story. it is kind of a thriller. it is a documentary play. it is a whole mix of things. charlie: how is it to interview your mother. ? lucas: i did not interview here. i had someone else to view here because i was interested in how she tells the story to someone who is not me, because it is all stuff we have talked about plenty. ♪ anchor: asia-pacific markets itking for a mixed start, seems. caution in the air after a seven-week surge in global shares. anchor: the latest readings suggest study, if unspectacular, u.s. growth. anchor: president trump renewing his criticism of the london mayor. larry summers saying he should focus on more

mike: happy weekend, charlie.rlie: back in a moment. ♪ charlie: early elections took place thursday night in the united kingdom. theresa may and her conservative party lost their governing majority. the result is a major setback for may. the prime minister announced this morning that conservatives would remain in power by forming a minority government with a democratic unionist party of northern ireland. >> what the country needs more than ever is certainty. and having secured the largest number of votes, and the greatest number of seats in the general election, it is clear that only the conservative and unionist party has the legitimacy and stability to provide that certainty by commanding a majority in the house of commons. pm may: we will continue to work with our friends and allies in the democratic unionist party in particular. charlie: joining me now is: and cohen and jillian. >> theresa may scored an extraordinary earned goal. is threehad really things happening. firstly, millennials came out in howl of pro

oliver: thank you, charlie. charlie: oliver stone. thank you. ideas and actions of vladimir putin, return to some excerpts to interviews with oliver stone. oliver: you realize how powerful your answer to be if you said you preferred x candidate. he would go like that tomorrow. if you say you did not like trump, or something, he would win. he would have that amount of power in the u.s.. >> [speaking in russian] >> you are credited with doing many things in your first term. you build up industries, electronic, engineering, petrochemical, agriculture. you raised the gdp, you raised the income, you reformed the army, you result the church in war -- you result of the war. -- you resolved to the chechen war. of russia.eal son >> it is not exactly like that. >> [speaking in russian] oliver: let me ask you. i'm sure as an ex-kgb agent, you what snowden did with every fiber of your being. >> [speaking in russian] oliver: do you agree with what he did? >> no. oliver: did he think the national security agency had gone too far in its eavesdropping? >> [spea

charlie: thank you, great to have you. >> thank you. >> thanks, charlie.thank you for joining us. see you next time. ♪ ♪ carol: welcome to "bloomberg businessweek." i'm carol massar. oliver: and i'm oliver renick. carol: this week, some twitter advice for president trump. oliver: a look inside a brazilian construction giant, more specifically, the department of bribery. carol: and why buzzfeed claims to be king of online video. oliver: all that ahead on "bloomberg businessweek." ♪ carol: we're here with the editor in chief of "bloomberg businessweek," megan murray. you spoke with tom barrick. megan: tom barrick is a legendary financier, head of colony capital.

charlie: same thing?ndy: i think they're looking at policies to cover more people and conservatives are generally looking for policies that reduce costs. out, theyinted managed to put forward a bill that the cbs has does neither of those two things. that means he had a difficult challenge because on both sides of him he has to make up ground. it looked like the right flank was a little bit stronger. since he has put this out we are seeing equal number of people on both sides thing, wait a minute, we want to cover more people and folks on the other side saying wait a minute, this is too expensive. by the way, you are keeping the eca much more so intact than we -- the aca much more so intact then we would have wanted. he doesn't have a lot of time to solve it. charlie: i know this is simplistic for you guys, but it is the fissure between moderates and conservatives in the republican party. ezra: i think that is right. a fissuren to being between moderates and conservatives, it is a fissure between different

charlie: it is interesting. am not sure you feel about that, but we have here in america with the washington post and the new york times, a healthy competition in washington to pursue the story without any sense of winning and losing. different people have different stories and it is fascinating. and i assume the readers of the -- readers are the beneficiaries of that. lionel: i am certainly reading. i am reading both papers. it is extraordinarily, isn't it? how the trump administration, the president himself, has a complete disdain for the establishment and the experts. no state department involved whatsoever. it is very striking. charlie: let me turn to something that you are an expert in spending a lot of time in , washington. the president goes to saudi arabia, then he goes to rome, then he goes to brussels, then he goes, i'm not sure come i -- i am not sure, i think that was the order, he goes to sicily, right? he goes to nato and g7. people look at saudi arabia and say that is more of a success than what h

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charlie: this is for anybody.een people emerge from hearings like this and go on to a much bigger political career. certainly you think of richard nixon out of that and others have made themselves a star in political hearings and gone on to higher national office. is anyone coming out of this so far that capture the attention -- captures the attention in terms of the sharpness of questions or positions they have taken? mckay: it is an interesting question. you're right, a pretty common practice for members of congress to use these hearings, especially such high-profile ones, as a platform to promote themselves and advance their careers. i was pretty impressed with how relatively little showboating there was on the committee. i thought both republicans and democrats for the most part thought they were operating in good faith, asking serious questions, trying to get to the bottom of the questions here. i did see a lot of democrats celebrating. i saw a lot of republicans saying they did not like their line of questio

♪ >> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." jeff: charlie is away.e begin this evening with health care. senate republican leaders released a 142-page bill this morning detailing plans to repeal and replace the affordable care act, or obamacare. the legislation was crafted in secret and makes significant cuts to medicaid and removes the mandate that all americans need to have health insurance. bill which the house president trump has called "mean." a vote is expected on the senate floor next week. joining me is van newkirk and kevin whitelaw, and philip bump. i am pleased to welcome all them to this program. philip, what stands out? philip: republicans are putting together something they feel confident can pass and get the public of the american public, this bill is not substantially different enough to change the minds of a lot of americans. a lot of parts of the bill, particularly around medicaid and cutting taxes for the wealthy, those are the most problematic those remain, and those, i think are the most problematic parts. , jeff: that is an inte

charlie: china has changed. back in 1995, how has it changed between 1999 when you started alibaba and today in 2017? jack: when i went back to china in 1995, the idea of the internet was very strange. china was not connected to the internet. i tried to talk to a lot of my friends about what is the internet. they thought it would never work. this thing would never exist. it was true, people even said, jack, it is a lie. jack is trying to steal money from people by telling us there is the internet. [laughter] jack: when i go to the china company registration office, i said i want to register a company called hands of hope internet company. the guy said, this is the english dictionary. there is no word called the internet. why do you want to register a company called that? i cannot register a company name. in 1995, in later august, china was connected to the internet. i was number seven person connected to the china internet. in order to prove i was not a liar, i invited my friend who is a tv man, take the tv came

charlie: why do you say that?at he said about leaking the memos he wrote after the occasions the net with the president? hugh: that is a major part of the exhibits that will be there. he manipulates the president, probably leads people he did so, other occasions with different agendas in mind. he only took notes about president trump. what is most disconcerting, the first meeting, when he is president-elect, he goes with a steel dossier, gives it to the president and then concludes as he testifies, the president cannot be trusted. he leaves the meeting in which he proposed, i will discredit this mr. president and begins what some people have already begun to say is an entrapment course of action with the memo writing. i am very disquieted by what the former fbi director's vision of himself was and what that will make people think about the agency. >> comey did address that to a certain extent. part of that meeting before trump was inaugurated, he felt the need to start assuring him he was not under investigation.

♪ from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." jeff: charlie is away.e begin with health care. senate republican leaders released 142 page bill this morning detailing plans to repeal and replace the affordable care act, or obamacare. the legislation was crafted in secret and make significant cuts to mirror -- medicaid and wer removes the mandate that all americans need to have health care. a vote is expected on the senate floor next week. anding me is van newkirk kevin whitelaw, and philip bump. i'm pleased to welcome them all. philip, what stands out? philip: republicans are putting a something they feel confident can pass and get the support of the public, it is not substantially different enough to change the minds of a lot of americans. a lot of parts of the bill, particularly medicaid and cutting taxes for the wealthy, those are the most problematic parts. jeff: that is an interesting point. there was some talk the senate bill might be completely different. they would throw everything out and start over, and that is not the case. the broad strokes

charlie: in a world in which paypal exists? patrick: paypal focused on the consumer side of things, when peoplen a time did not have a lot of trust in this newfangled internet thing. what they had not focused on was building great infrastructure and tools and enabling new business models. figuring out how to the internet figures out how to make new things possible -- charlie: so there's your opportunity? patrick: exactly. charlie: how difficult was it? patrick: we first built a basic prototype. the problem we were solving initially was very straightforward. we wanted to be able to come to and to start charging customers from all around the world some revenue, some money. that process at the time took weeks, sometimes even months, and was very restrictive. -- ailt a basic order type basic prototype, and then it took us a young half, two years to lineup the funding and get partnerships in place -- and then it took us a year and a half, two years to lineup the funding and get partnerships in place. a lot of investors initially tho

charlie: or the f.b.i. >> yes.harlie: you always have the question, what is obstruction of justice? it came about with consideration of mike flynn and "i hope you will do something about that." is that obstruction of justice or expressing an idea the president was trying to say i don't think this will go anywhere and i hope you will let it go? >> director comey took the president's words as a directive although he did not act on them. he also deferred on the question of, does that amount to a section of justice, but said that is something the special counsel will have to answer. mueller hasfact mr. opened an investigation into that question is in some ways not surprising given the testimony from director comey last week. on the other hand, it is significant certainly because it puts the president directly in the line is a target of the investigation. i should not use that in a legal term. but he is now being investigated. at the same time, we should not leap to the conclusion that means there is a case for obstruct

charlie: i hear you.medians have come here and talked about it and said, why did you stop at three or four or five or whatever the number might be, and they always say because i was repeating myself, because i did not have anything new to say. the best will come and say that and they will take a time off to do a movie or something else and then come back or continue to make movies or some other aspect of the entertainment world. aziz: yes. "master of none" is the most fun job i ever had or ever will have, maybe. i am proud of my best friends and my entire immediate family. my brother works with me every day and my family comes and i get to sit there and laugh with my dad. it is such a unique experience. charlie: what does he think of it? aziz: he loves acting. i never knew that until recently, that he tried to start a drama program in his cool in india when he was in high school and stuff and they did productions and stuff. but he is a very funny guy and loves making people laugh. he loves acting on the s