in his gut he understands the sort of democrats that democrats need to win in order to govern. at the same time, this is someone who has an elite education, who worked on the mcgovern campaign himself. clinton has a foot in both worlds, right? he has a foot in the new politics/liberal world, and he has a foot in the moderate democratic leadership council world. so the first couple of years of the clinton administration, i mean, aside from a few policy exceptions which reduces the deficit which plays a significant role in the booming economy of the 199 0s, it was a fiasco. you know, because of the new politics clinton who governed, and it was the new politics liberals who were, you know, throughout the bureaucracy of the white house and the west wing. and so it, you know, clinton loses the congress for the first time since the 1950s, republicans take control. now, there were some longer forces at work, you know, especially in the south to cause that. but clinton's first two years, you know, were just a disaster. and what he learned, right, and this is to clinton's credit, he goe

the democrats would get that.ith regard to the sequester, it is true that the spending levels are supposed to go down in january. but they're supposed to go back up again a year later. you could move some of that spending from a year later forward. in the aggregate, the spending would be the same, but the democrats would get a little more right now. that's going to create a lot of heartburn for the republicans, particularly mitch mcconnell from kentucky. >> facing a tough re-election. >> if you can finesse that some way, you've got a deal. >> let me ask you in the time we have left, is there a deal before thursday or not? >> it does not look like there's a deal right now. to me, why doesn't boehner, if he says the votes aren't there, call it up in the house. i don't think he has that power right now which is why i'm hoping -- by the way, george, the sequester that the democrat budget proposed included the current spending limits. >> but that's in december. so yes or no. >> no, i don't think there's a deal right no

next time gingrich called democrats no one would think the democrats were taking it.set the stage for an infamous day, the day that made newt gingrich. 10:00 a.m., may 15, 1984, this time, the chamber was full. gingrich got the fight with tip o'neill he had been dreaming of for years. >> you deliberately stood on the well before an emptied house and challenged the people and challenged their americanism and it is the lowest thing i have ever seen in my 32 years in congress. >> i move we take the speaker's words down. >> as a matter of fact i was expressing my opinion, very mildly, because i think much worse than i said all. >> it is my patriotism being impugned. what we are seeing comes class to a mccarthyism of the left. >> it really is impossible to overstate what this did for gingrich's place in his party. the gop's leadership spent six years ignoring him. treating him like a gadfly. he baited tip o'neill, into a fight that made national news. a fight in which o'neal became the first house speaker in near lou 200 years to have his word taken down.

he was a democrat, of course, right? all the republicans and a few conservative democrats banded together and voted to seize the floor from tip o'neill. just for a second so they could pass one vote. so they could pass something that president reagan wanted passed at the time. this is an obscure parliamentary trick, and it almost never happens. but if you have enough rebels in your speaker's own party who are willing to side against him for just one vote, theoretically and even sometimes historically, this has worked. it's worked in the past. and louise slaughter tried to make it work again today. she tried to get a handful of republicans to join with all the democrats to essentially take over the house from john boehner for just a second. for just one vote. one vote with which, of course, they would pass a clean fund-the-government bill and end the shutdown. louise slaughter said yesterday that she was going to do this. she tried it today, and it failed. no republicans were willing to side against john boehner, even for

>> caller: yes, i'm a democrat. i'm very disappointed in all of the democrats. the senate and the house. that they're not willing to pass everything else but the obama or the aca law. that should never have been put in and i think the best way since they can't come to a decision on this, and to me, it's not the law because it was not passed properly. and if anybody's a dictator, it's obama. and if the government shuts down, it's obama and harry reid and all of the democrats who can't seem to pass everything else except for this law. i suggest everybody, republicans and democrats, all get a copy of this law and sit down and read all 2500 pages one by one until they understand it. you can't have 26-year-olds on the parents' insurance and also be on the exchange. and what if their parents are on medicare. they're not eligible to be on medicare. and where does the internal revenue service have jurisdiction to all of a sudden becoming a health finance organization? there are laws and if it's so great, then i suggest every senator, republican, be on this same law also

when republicans attacked democrats on health care, democrats wanted to talk about something else.u're saying this time is, you believe you can win a messaging war on health care if you frame it the way you framed it. >> i'm not sure that health care is going to be the dominant issue of the campaign. i'll tell you -- the republicans are going to try and do that. you know, they're spending a lot of money today, beaming into districts, rooting for failure. again, repeating their obsession with defunding and repealing the affordable care act. they'll try and do that. here's what we're going to put on the ballot in 2014. do you want solutions? do you want reasonable people with common sense ideas to address the nation's problems who are going to fight for what they believe, but are focused on -- keep their eye open to the middle ground? or do you want a continuation of the cliffs and the chaos and people who are actually hurting the economy and costing jobs as a result of their partisan obsessions? that's what this campaign is going to be about. and i think that we -- voters would pref

democrats? i'm not sure, but i think it's going to make a big difference over time. right now, you have some people from the reagan administration, which by law measures have the smartest nominees, but they will not be around much longer. they are in their 70s or so right now, and when they retire, you'll begin to see a shift at the intellectual balance on the court which are going to swing more to the democrats and republicans may be quite sorry they didn't go as strongly against smart democrats as democrats fought against smart republicans. look at the con confirmation ras and length of confirmation, and in this case, across all administrations, again, the white column, nominees in a top ten law school and served on law review, and the others are for those who didn't either, and for each administration, the smarter nominees took longer to get through the process, and in this case is particularly obvious in clinton's case, his brightest nominees took 40450 days to get through the process, and t

so the advantage for democrats.t's the -- if that number is big enough for what democrats are hoping to sort of -- in terms of getting republicans to fold a little bit, to get in here, is that a big enough margin for them? do they need to expand that more? >> i think it is less that and what they're trying to do in serms s terms of resetting the clock of politics. remember barack obama was reeling from the syrian situation, which, remember, ended without us sending missiles anyway that saved more money than the shutdown is saving. he was in a weak position, heading into a negotiation where maybe entitlements would be on the table. and even if people don't blame the -- if people don't blame the republicans by margin of 40 points, it is just changing what washington's going to be able to discuss. i think that's why democrats aren't sweating it and they're not enjoying this really, but they remain so united, they think they're just keeping politics frozen in a place where they're ahead, more than -- people blame republ

so democrats will get that. with regard to the sequester, it is true that the spending levels will go down in january, but they're supposed to go back up again a year later. so you could move some of that spending from a year later forward. in the agate the spending would be the same, but the democrats would get a little bit more right now. that's going to create a lot of heartburn for the republicans, particularly mitch mcconnell. >> we're going to go down to the time we have left. is there a deal before thursday or not? >> it does not look like there's a deal right now. to me, boehner, he says the votes aren't there. call it up in congress, but i don't think he has the power now. the sequester included keeped the spending levels, including the sequester. >> all right, so, yes or no. >> no, i don't think there's a deal right now. because the timeline -- >> you've taken your time. >> i think the medical device tax is very weak tea. the argument is -- i have been for that repeal. >> what happened to yes or no? >>

nancy pelosi was the democratic speaker of the house. she would be democratic speaker of the house again if the end results of this political disaster the republicans just had is that they lose the house to the democrats in 2014. elizabeth warren, she's only in her first year in the senate, but of course she has a huge national profile. she's already considered to be a top tier presidential prospect for the nomination for the democratic party in this cycle or the next. then there's the party's newest household name, cory booker, who built himself a huge national profile, just as mayor of newark, new jersey. but who as we speak, is on his way to washington to join the united states senate. but you look at nancy pelosi with her experienced exasperation on the house floor. you look at elizabeth warren with her stated fury. you look at cory booker with his trademark earnestness and optimism. you look at president obama with his continuity between his message of hope in 2008, which is now the same message, but delivered more with resignation

-- here is what the democrats think. they think we'll send a bunch of government workers out there to close off the roadside viewing of mt. rushmore because that will be funny, you know, so i think it isn't funny, and i think that democrats and republicans are going to catch blame. so i don't want to be here. i don't see this as winning or losing. this is a lose/lose situation. we need to open up government, and it does require a conversation, but the president is the one saying he won't negotiate, and now it's senate democrats saying we don't -- we used to want a clean cr but we think you're squirming, so now we want to raise spending and break the budget caps. so i think we're seeing that the senate democrats are getting greedy about this whole thing. >> do you see yourself at any point in the future being anything other than politically a member of the republican party? >> you're implying a third party or some other party? >> or if you wanted to become a democrat, there's lots of sort of parties out there. just wonder

i said no, he won the democratic nomination here in the democratic party. all of the white democratic parties should be ashamed of himself. they did not own a black man to be mayor of the city of chicago. it said the lights would come on it night, the garbage would be picked. there would be chaos and pandemonium under this theme before it too late. they came to chicago to campaign for them. they were vicious remote when they visited a church on a sunday. so i just like it think of a time in which the city was, so i stood up. it was a beautiful time in my life. we've just gotten our first house. we used to watch this whole does and how they stand at their floors and we finished the woodwork, how you did a little drywalling, how you regretted your bathroom. they were happy. becomes how to play dominoes with my friend. i had a job. i was happy. you know, a birthday party here, back to the mayor, a wedding and your life is complete. we also played at ucla is in our front yard to keep up with all of her neighbors. but then they knocked on my door and i said you

democrats said no. democrats, i said no. paul ryan piped up. he popped up and said, how about my tax code changes from when i ran for vice president? can i have those tax code changes now? democrats said no. republicans demanded that the administration get rid of cole ash regulations. democrats said no. then they demanded to change the tax on medical devices, the tax on medical devices. no. can we change the treasury department's rules so that the next crisis we have is even worse than this because they have no flexibility to move the money around. that's what we want. no can get guarantees of income verification for certain low-income people who get subsidies for their health insurance under obama care? yes. yes, you can have that one. keep that one here. that is already in the obama care law. it's already the law, so yes you can have it. also bestow the name thursday on the day that comes after wednesday, if you like. the income verification thing that they won is already in obama care. so, yes, you can have that. you enjoy that. of all the o

in the democratic party have the upper hand. it's going to be difficult to go into a shutdown scenario in january. these are programs that old people don't really want to see cut and old people vote a lot. we have a mid term election coming up. it's very important for the president to his his base and come out -- hit his base and vote for that. raised in taxes not at all clear that republicans will be able to go along anyway. aren't all my beltway tech notic technocrat technocratic friends happy about that anyway? >> there was a pew poll out in april said 55% pg support in maintaining social security and benefits. loren is it americans not wanting to look at the coming problem? >> i think that's it but social security and medicare provides opportunity to do something. the minimum benefit for social security has completely eroded and is benefiting anyone now. has proposed increasing the minimum benefits so that anyone who works 30 years no matter what their wages were, they will at least get a benefit that's say 125% of the pover

democrats rejected that.d, mitch mcconnell, are trying to hammer something out so i think that harry reid was here with other leaders trying to update president obama. bottom line is they want the government back open. they want the debt ceiling increased and of course that deadline comes this thursday. so a lot of pressure on them to get something done. >> seems like the key thing, very quickly, has been what is a deal that the house tea partiers will accept? there's plenty of others who can agree and not so sure that they have to sign off on whatever -- because that's the only way we move forward. >> reporter: exactly. it's a great point. i think the thing to watch is that medical device tax. the white house seems to be less dug in on that. that could be the point of compromise. >> all right. we'll keep an eye on it. that does it for me. thanks so much for joining us. please don't forget to share your thoughts and find us at facebook and tweet us. we'll see you right back here tomorrow at 4:00. clients trad

we now have a democratic pretty, a democratic senate, and democratic house. president obama is refusing to negotiate with house speaker boehner, a republican, because mr. obama thinks the backlash will boost the current democratic majority in the senate next year, and possibly result in the democrats taking over of the house of representatives. republicans think a one year delay in the individual mandate will mean healthy individuals will defer buying insurance. and those with preexisting conditions will rush to sign up. this in turn means higher insurance premiums in 2014, for everybody. winning this battle with this shut down gives the winners an advantage in the 2014 midterm election. it has put us in the middle of a power game. question, who will end up taking the wrap for the government shut down? the republican, democrats? or will it be an it -- >> tell me how practice can blame the republican did president obama can blame the republican party for shutting down the government, when the house is repeatedly voted, tried to open up the museum, tried to vot

senate democrats as well. senate republicans will meet with the president tomorrow morning at 11:15. the white house already reacting to the house republican proposal saying in a statement in part saying, it's better for economic certainty for congress to take the threat of default off the table for as long as possible, which is why we support the senate democrats' effort to raise the debt limit for a year with no extraneous political strings attached. we are likely to hear much more about this coming up at the briefing which is scheduled for noon eastern. we'll have that live for you on c-span.org. here on c-span, we are waiting for the house to come back in at noon eastern. they have one bill today, that is a funding bill for border security. so we'll continue with your phone calls up until noon eastern. kathy in virginia on the others line. go ahead. caller: hi, yes. i'm sorry but it feels like the president is a puppet. other people is pulling his strings. one time he'll say this and next time wish washy g

she's a democrat, heavily involved in these behind the scenes negotiations with democrats and republicans. while all this talking is going on in washington, the voices of the people are growing louder and louder to end the shoutdown. ♪ by the dawn's early light ♪ what so proudly we hail >> was that the scene at the world war ii memorial over the weekend in washington. high profile tea party supporters such as sarah palin, ted cruz joined veterans as they rallied against president obama and democrats for their role the ongoing stalemate. >> why did the federal government spend money to erect barricades to keep people out of mt. vernon? why did the federal government spend money top erect barricades to keep people out of mount rushmore? look, our veterans should be above politics. enough games. >> i call upon all of you to wage a second american nonviolent revolutioning to use civil disobedience anton demand that this president leave town to get out. to put the koran down to get off his knees and come up with his hands up. >> wow. pretty outrageous statement right there. we're going to have

that this is not all good for the democratic party. i think there is some reasons for us to be cautious about what happens next here. and this is counter-conventional wisdom, i think that boehner may be stronger, because if he has support of his conference that he didn't have before -- >> well, right now you see the senate is going through a roll call vote. this is the second vote they have taken, the first, a procedural vote, you have to clear cloture, it happened just before you joined us on air. and now there is an actual vote on the resolution that is being offer offered. it is about 35 pages long, including a nice bit of pork for the army project that happens to be in kentucky, where the good senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell is from, what the heck happened? >> well, you know, people need to exhibit their believes and have the opportunity to debate which is what we have been able to do in the last two weeks. i think you could from a pessimistic standpoint, you could say you guys, the republicans didn't get anything out of it

what will democrats insist on?hat: i think the idea you're going to keep the government closed until you that an agreement, whether is the budget conference between the house and the senate of the appropriations numbers between the house and the senate, the idea to keep the government closed is not acceptable, and i think the president has made that clear. the democrats in the house and senate have made that clear. there is no need to keep the government closed if these are in fact good faith negotiations. we have negotiated in good faith and you get it done. you do not need to punish the people who work for the government. some of the losses are starting to mount in critical areas of the government, scientific research and programs like that. were you and others marching forward on a discharge position that would force the house to have a vote on this idea of opening the government, a so-called clean cr. do you continue with that effort? >guest: absolutely. there is been an approach that there can be no government

that's a democrat.pack saj on this last night on facebook.com/the kelly file talking about how the law was passed. zero republican support. it never had the majority support of the american people. the majority of the american people disliked the law from before it was passed to today. that's why the republicans now and now some of the moderate democrats aren't saying there is a problem, let's fix it necessarily. we are starting to hear more and more there is a problem, let's say we told you so. >> i disagree. because of the following. if you test the individual elements of the law, should there be annual and lifetime caps, no. should pre-existing conditions be covered, yes. should kids be on insurance, yes? should we have substance abuse coverage, yes. should we close the donut hole? yes. there has to be a mechanism for that. >> to pay for it. >> exactly right. you have to take the benefits and understand there are costs involved, a. b, if we are going to slow down the rising costs of medical care whic

democrats know they didn't shine, either. maybe we could come up with a deal to entitlements and flatten out the tax code and take small steps but significant steps toward changing america and find a way to deal with obama care where there is a bipartisan agreement that the plan is not working. for two weeks it's been a disaster and you haven't talked much about obama care as failures because we got in the way of that story. we've done more to elevate obama care in the last two weeks than any democrat could have hoped of. >> it's actually gone up in the polls, despite this roll out which is obviously -- >> this is a debacle for us but the good news obama care will be a debacle and democrats will come to us and say help us change it, if we'll get out of the way. >> lindsey graham, appreciate you being with us. i'll go to dana bash, what is going on? >> we're waiting for the vote to end. we have senators that haven't voted, maybe one is standing with you now and going into the building to cast a vote, so we're waiting for the f

they had to give the democrats some things the democrats wanted. but it took on, you know, a sense of normal democratic process. so here we already went through this once back in 2011. then at the end of last year right after my election, we went through something similar with the so-called fiscal cliff, where republicans wouldn't negotiate about taxes despite the fact that taxes actually went up anyway even though they refused to negotiate. they could actually have gotten some things from us that they wanted if they had been willing to engage in normal negotiations. so we have got to stop repeating this pattern. i know the american people are tired of it. to all the american people, i apologize you have to have go through this stuff every three months it seems like. lord knows i'm tired of it. but at some point, we've got to kind of break these habits and get back to the point where everybody understands that in negotiations, there's give and there's take. you do not hold people hostage or engage in ransom taking to get 100% of your way. you don't

with democrats more often. that reflects a broadening of how we play politics these days. all politics is local, tip o'neill said. it is not really anymore. the conservative activists and the liberal activists in washington, d.c. or wherever they happen to be based, thinking of eric erickson and red state.com, and can start playing in -- moveon.org, can start playing in primaries where they're completely separate from their thousands of miles away. i was struck by a piece in yesterday's "washington post" by my colleague paul cane who went down to tennessee, he was following lamar alexander around, and lamar alexander's opponent, one of the state reps trying to primary alexander from the right, said that he would really have a great chance if all the outside money from washington would come in. the outside groups, heritage action fund, club for growth, groups like that get involved in that campaign. you now have a guy rupping for office in tennessee who is depending on money from washington instead of building a

caller: i have been a democrat. i cannot believe the tea party can bring the republicans down so low. it is ridiculous. closing the government down and hurting so many people is ridiculous. host: how would you identify your self different as someone who identifies themselves as a member of the tea party? caller: i am not crazy, and i think a lot of them are. they are outrageous in their actions. out of closing the government down. it cost money, cost people wages. i am retired. my husband just retired. this put our retirement fund at risk. we would have lost a huge chunk of our money that we put back like we were supposed to. we had investments and put those at risk. the tea partyve controls the republican party in such a way that so few can do so much damage. our representatives need to grow a back down. ,ost: frank from hillandale california, democrats line and the federal worker. hello. what type of work you do? caller: i am a correctional officer. been furloughed, but still had to go to work. we had jobs to do.

sdf that give democrats leverage in -- does that give democrats leverage in these negotiations as it was intended to when originally written into the budget control act? >> i think you're exactly right. i think it does give us leverage. i happen to believe that in a time when the united states is spending almost as much as the rest of the world combined we can make significant cuts. obviously my republican colleagues don't agree. we need significant new revenues, that the wealthy and large corporations are going to have to help us with deficit reduction. and that we cannot simply balance the budget on a collapsing middle class or people living in poverty. >> innocent this just going to break down -- isn't this just going to break down again on taxes? we've gone through ten different budget iterations of budget negotiating committees. the only time they didn't break through was the fiscal cliff deal that happened after the president's re-election. there is, it seems, an impasse over taxes here. >> i think you're right. the republicans have been very adamant that despite the fact that

democrats don't like it either. there are several democrats with major device manufacturers in their home states who want reid to repeal it. you could potentially see that. one thing on the sequester, one idea on the table that had democrats very unhappy was, replacing the sequester cuts with cuts to mandatory spending. cutting benefits, but returning that money over to the discretionary spending side. and there was some interest among republicans like senator lamar alexander who i spoke with, last weekend who was in the room for this meeting yesterday morning, he was open to it. but reid has basically said no way. >> what about this? alex is talking about the attempt by democrats, the white house, to establish or re-establish the precedent that, you know, you're not going to use the threat of a defaurlt. when you hear about the idea of maybe the medical device tax on the table, if that's part of the deal, are democrats still effectively enforcing that precedent or -- >> i think so. there is a lot of democrats that

we got to work with democrats, anyway. news flash, democrats control the senate. news flash, democrats control the white house. news flash, republicans control the house. neither party is going to get everything they want. so the sooner that both parties recognize that and recognize that the sooner we can work together we can advance the ball. not just on deficit reduction, on immigration reform, on infrastructure investment, all the things we need to do in this country we got to be willing to work together and accept we're not going to get everything we want. >> with those news flashes we thank you very much, congressman aaron shock. i appreciate it. >> the compromise bill to reopen the government is somewhere en route to president obama, hopefully making the turn from constitution avenue onto pennsylvania avenue soon. joining me now is cnn senior white house correspondent brianna keilar. brianna, you have new information on when the president will sign this bill and when the government will finally reopen. >> reporter: that's right, jake. according to the direct

democrats said no. and so 16 days ago the government did in fact shut down. which maybe the republicans did not expect. because once they had an actual shutdown on their hands they didn't seem to have a plan for what to do next. at least it was a hitch in the plan, right? they got the shutdown but democrats didn't agree to repeal obama care. so now what? and that is when the demand lists started to change. the effort to force the democrats into giving them something in exchange for holding the country hostage, from that point on, when something like that -- okay, we can't get obama care repealed. can we get a de-funding of obama care? the democrats said no, can we get a delay? the democrats said no, can we delay the special mandate in obama care? they said no, they are sort of running out of obama care ideas at this point. so david vitter comes up with a new list of weird, specific demands about obama care. the next demand is can we deny health care insurance to the president and vice president. that ac

seeing at this gains fromong-term democrats or repercussions for the democrats?ust looking at the map that is in play, democrats on the defensive. most at --out of the out of 10 of the most vulnerable senate seats. we do not know if there's going to be the 6 that they need to take over the majority. that each party could gain a couple of seats here or there, now i think we are waiting to see what the fallout is going to be. either way, i think it is going to be a reach for democrats to get the 17 seats that they need s furthere republican implodes. host: thank you for that update. we appreciate it. here's a column written prudent on politics. the inspection of the entrails in the wake of the vote will go on for days and weeks, but the real fun will be discovering all in thebes and greece senate bill, adopted by the house. it looks like the usual christmas tree for congressman, with more than a little sugar to make the medicine go down. but why not? it is not their money. $3 billion forot a dam in kentucky. his reelection campaign is sputtering toward a stall. the

the bob rub and democratic party that frankly in this year a lot of democrats, younger democrats, especially of ways. and not fitting for this moment that we're in, a moment where in her to eyes the central issue based in the country is economic inequality. >> so the ties to wall street, the democratic party forged under bill clinton are something locked at differently by the base. i guess what i'm trying to figure out. this is from gallup, they do the weekly poll on the president, approval rating among democrats. it's still at 81%. i guess what i'm trying to figure out is how much of an opening there is now sort of on the left relative to what there was. the run to '08, there was iraq vote over everything, do we want the clinton restoration. is the opening you think as big now or? >> i think it is bigger now, certainly. in part because of the rise of a younger generation of liberal activists. the challenge that senator warren would have, stove, if she does run in 2016 is that you well know there has been a ron brown terms the bore track, window track no the democratic prime ministerary and

you know, i think there is not yet a pressure or an appetite between democrats or among democrats ormpromise on something here. both sides feel though they're getting these small little political victories. for republicans is the white house, some anonymous "saying that they are winning. polls show, number of polls show that americans largely blame republicans over democrats. not so much that they feel compelled that they have to move on this. it is likely there will move this right up until the debt ceiling. it could end up being a pro when neil: i d't share your jaded views. i will work on a book. to that. give them turkey chili. thank you, my friend. we are monitoring this. these are our special guests live on the news channel from ten a.m. to noon. we figure that we are going to work weekends, even if they are not or are not really into this. it is our side of the country to my rep >>> good evening, everybody. thank you for being with us. lawmakers and the white house digging in for what appears to be a long battle. the first federal government shutdown in nearly two decades show

boehner. 198 democrats. and by the public record, there re 23 or more republicans that have said they'd vote for a clean c.r. mr. speaker, let your people go and vote. what does it mean that the government's shut down? what does it mean to americans? i'll tell you what it means in my district. t means that the daycare centers, early childhood education programs, levy improvements, ain indeed -- levee imvofments and we have learned today that those brave and men and women that have recently been killed in the war in afghanistan, their families will not receive $100,000 that has been set aside for them. i know we have a vote here. this is the eighth day of the shutdown. and we have in this house passed eight bills to appropriate . eces, pieces of this these are the 12 appropriation bills. these are the 12 appropriation bills that fund every function of government, whether it's the military, whether it's the farm programs, the daycare programs, the health care programs, the centers for disease control, here the

democrats can throat house. democrats, -- >> the senate. the republicans, they control the house. >> i'm talking about the first term. democrats controlled the senator in the house. they controlled the whole world. they froze out the republicans, did they not? >> they didn't freeze out the republicans. >> let him finish. >> let me put it this way, republicans certainly felt that way, even if other people didn't feel that way. republicans ended up like that. >> obama told them to take a backseat. do you remember that? >> absolutely. >> if you want to let in another side here, republican the decision made early on by the republicans that they were not going to cooperate with anything that this president has done. that was a decision made. now you have exalted the tea party, the radicals, they went in on their own views. now they're having trouble controlling them. the republican parties, they're cracking up here. the democrats are unified. the president has been in a fox hold with the democrats for the last two weeks. plenty of bargaining goi

because you were a new kind of democrat. you were a dlc democrat.f moderate democrats, clinton being the most successful one, who got together after the 60s when the democratic party was pulled many felt way to the left and could not win national elections. do you think that sort of -- should there be a formation of that sort of group? do you disagree that republicans are -- >> i think it's going to find the middle ground. you just had a couple people on that are looking for that middle ground. and they're found in the house. they're found in the senate. i think 20-some members of house who said we would vote for cr, a clean cr, no strings attached. not a single one of them was invited to go with boehner to the white house. this actually right now, this big fight everybody in america needs to understand this, this is a fight for who is going to be next speaker of the house. and we've got about a half or maybe more of the republicans in the house saying we don't want boehner anymore. and so it's spilled over and now we have a government shutdown and