now the f.b.i. is one of the most powerful secret intelligence services that within the us has no form or charter its itself is itself excuse me is shrouded in secrecy and it regularly bends or breaks the law to achieve its mission of stopping violence before it happens and by looking at the f.b.i.'s history and throughout the years had an embarrassing record of failure and spoke as too much an imaginary threats rather than the real it's become a tool for partisan politics and found itself competing with the cia and was so far the most definitive history yet on the f.b.i. our guest tonight looks at the challenges from the rate of hoover to the days bureau a directed by robert mueller and perhaps what's most important is ask if our intelligence apparatus can be effective and strike a balance between liberty and security joining me from our studio in new york is tim weiner pulitzer prize winning reporter and author and his latest book is called enemies a history of the f.b.i. so i want to thank you so

edgar hoover who ran the f.b.i. for forty eight consecutive years bugging wiretapping stung on americans breaking and entering over was the law today i think we have a better balance we've got a president who understands the constitution unlike his predecessor and we've got an f.b.i. director who actually cares about stretching the spell's this is something new. one hundred three years of history i'd say the last three years they're trying to get it right and they deserve some credit for that now go back over time yes god was lawless because school was the law ok all right you know i'm also curious then what you think of in terms of the f.b.i. often going after perhaps not the real threats that we face out the moment that we will be facing in the future which is their mission but he's rather and madge unary threats and you know you talk about in the history of it where they continue pursuing communists right even though that's just became a threat of the past that wasn't really what we needed the f.b.i. to be focusi

feeding it to the f.b.i.. mueller is the head of the f.b.i. goes to bush and says, mr. much. it's illegal. it's unconstitutional. unless you take it back i quit. >> reporter: ashcroft said he would quit. >> that's right. the next day's headline. f.b.i. director quits. won't say why. what's the next question? what the hell is the president of the united states doing that is too secret for the f.b.i. director to talk about snn no, the next question would be, who you think he's banging? the first thing would be like f.b.i. steps down. they must have found something out on him. >> that's a whole different thing. >> jon: do you have five minutes? i want to talk very briefly about that. we have to go to commercial on this. enemies is on the book shelf now. enemies a history of the f.b.i.. tim weiner. we'll be right back. we'll throw it up on the webb. ( cheers and applause ) >> jon: that's our show. join us tomorrow night at 11:00. here it is your moment of zen. >> i don't understand. they must be ashamed of something.

f.b.i. informant he says the so-called war on terror is actually it's not. what it means craig montane who was recruited by the f.b.i. to take part in the agency's most controversial tactics he was a confidential informant infiltrates khalid for indian mosques to root out radicals and to investigate them use them community from within and now six years later he is with civil liberties groups to contain for their rights thanks for having me back in two thousand and six he became fatter for a syrian against islam for its tell me how did that happen while i was successful as an informant from two thousand and three to early two thousand and six working on murder for hire operations robberies trading white supremacist groups. and one day as i was speaking to my handler her name was tracy had one i said i think. i'm interested in it for trade mosques and she said oh my god that. was a new gold they needed a man a specific kind of man. a certain man who can. with the proper training in. the gaps a

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now it looks like the f.b.i. has done it again this wednesday they seize an entire server from a colocation facility in new york and servers operated by the european counter network and i asked be based in italy which provided mixmaster anonymous remailer service it was also used by activist group rise up networks and may first people link so now the f.b.i. sees this server with a warrant and they did it for investigation into the source of bomb threats were sent to the university of pittsburgh we have to ask is taking down an entire server really the right approach according to a statement from rise of the seizure silenced more than three hundred e-mail accounts between fifty and eighty e-mail lists and several websites so i guess tonight call this a sledgehammer approach so i guess the question is when will the feds learn well joining me to discuss it is devon theriot or spokesperson for rise of networks devon thanks so much for joining us tonight and first question you know when you say if they fled chamar app

she says the f.b.i. has attempted to block her from making it public and her book we have that book right here this is the book that's in question it's entitled classified a civil admin story. so is there an effort to silence whistle blowers today for some answers someone who knows a lot about this subject steven kull an attorney for civil edmonds and author of this book the whistleblower is handbook. welcome to the show and i savvy here thank you so so you are present miss adman's in this case tell us a little bit more about it and how the f.b.i. has responded to her but with our well she was fired years ago and she her case had a lot of notoriety and it was one of the first cases where the bush administration invoked the state secrets privilege which is this doctrine that essentially puts a censorship of their own over everything you want to blow the whistle on but this fight over the exposure of government misconduct goes all the way back to the american revolution and the first amendment and the firs

and she says the f.b.i. has attempted to block her from making it all public and her book here it is. here's the book in question it is called classified a civil action and story so is there an effort to silence whistleblowers today for some answers i spoke earlier to someone who knows a lot about this subject stephen cohen attorney for civil admins and he's also the author of this book the whistle blowers handbook he explained the details of misjudgments case and the response from the f.b.i. take a listen. years ago and she her case had a lot of notoriety and it was one of the first cases where the bush administration invoked the state secrets privilege which is this doctrine that essentially puts a censorship veil over everything you want to blow the whistle on but this fight over the exposure of government misconduct goes all the way back to the american revolution and the first amendment and the first amendment the u.s. constitution was enacted to prevent precisely what we're seeing unfolding today peopl

police in louisiana and the f.b.i., yes, f.b.i.ooking into whether the general manager, mickey loomus used eves dropping equipment, with a superdome suite rewired to listen in on opponents. the source says that the system was disabled in 2005 when hurricane katrina hit the superdome and the spokesman calls this "1,000 percent false," which is impossible, obviously. only 100 percent is possible. keep in mind that the organization is still dealing with the fallout from the bounty scandal where saints players received cash bonus for hard hits, and g.m., loomus got a suspension on that and now he is defending himself against there and jonathan hunt is with us. what is he saying, today? >>jonathan: he steered away from the 1,000 percent but he is saying this is "absolutely false," saying he has a monitor in his box on which he looks at the league, the stats and he watches the network broadcast of the game and he has an earpiece through which he listens to the radio broadcast of the game, all this information he sent in an malto wvue, th

bob orr has the f.b.i. interview with a terrorist who was planning the biggest attack since 9/11. six-year-old eton patz disappeared on his way to school. now, 33 years later, a new clue takes police to a new york city basement. john miller is covering. on the day pat summitt steps down, president obama makes a surprising announcement. dean reynolds is with the winningest college coach ever. and seth doane with the billionaire's son. how howard buffet plans to feed america's hungry. >> reporter: what would do you without a program like this here? >> starve. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. september 2009 might have been one of those dates etched in our history. that is when al qaeda terrorists planned to walk on to new york city subway trains and grand central terminal with bombs in their backpacks. those trains are ridden by more than five million people each day. details of this plot came from an admitted terrorist, now a government witness, at the trial today of an alleged coconspirator. homeland security cor

says it's domestic terrorism so what the f.b.i. says is that it is an act that could put in danger people's lives clearly would do that. also is it better to coerce a population and is it politically and socially logical driven i would say great to use definitely meets that definition and. what's interesting about this is that double standard that if it was environmental activist he did this say he. tried to burn down the main four. i think it's almost impossible to think that the f.b.i. wouldn't have ramped up the a.t.f. which is a joint terrorism task force and then the u.s. attorney's office would charge them with the best of times in their actions there is is why you know why is that considered so much worse why is that something that the f.b.i. decides to devote resources time to pursuing so aggressively and yet it doesn't count here where i do think that you know if you just look at the statements that he makes it seems like it's very ideologically driven there's no question that it's really driven big difference i mean i can

they think alike they legalized they legalized the very things that f.b.i. agents and administrators knew was criminal back then that means they can look at your mail they certainly can read your e-mail they cap your phones they do all that but they do within the name of the show security but they do it nonetheless what we live in today is a national security state with big brother is. legalized legalized rationalize you describe politicians once as prostitutes in suits giving your apologies to on as prostitutes so i want to ask you would selection season in the united states right now the people trust would you vote for nobody frankly i mean if i have let me put it this way i have seen no one that i could in good conscious fourth day. because most of the people that are out there of the two major political parties and when they saw it all like the risk of kind of that. reasonable. wish to return to days of yore the nineteen fifties where they talk about the perpetuation of the american empire and korea was like i mean what is there to vote for how many peop

promotes this they're saying like a look at these numbers if you look at the breakdown that the f.b.i. published on the web site and again it's for two thousand and eleven you can't find data that fresh for civilians we need to find for civilians there. county's much much simpler is like these civilians like this amount of civilians were killed over all this was killed by gunshot and this was killed by something else i mean that's it those are the categories you get the f.b.i. on the other hand published first of all these different words they use killed they use the use gone down these all these in the press releases they broke down the number of officers that were killed in big towns small towns the kind of criminals well it was used with a gun whether you use a knife what kind of police activity was going on these murders happened i mean this is to say not to be crude it was a publicity stunt you would have it's interesting viewpoint all that out here right because it seems like they're being like they really have it all broken down into every little area and yet they don't have an

they legalized legalized they legalized the very things that f.b.i. agents and administrators knew was criminal back then that means maybe you can look in your mail space or maybe can read your e-mail they cap your phones they do all that they do with in the name of national security what they do with nonetheless what we live in today is a national security state where big brother is. legalized legalized rationalize you described politicians once as prostitutes. giving your apologies to honest prosecutors so i want to ask you a selection in the united states right now people trust who would you vote for somebody frankly i mean if i have let me put it this way i have seen no one that i could in good conscience vote for today. because most of the people that are out there of the two major political parties and when they thought it all i knew was a kind of that. reasonable. wish to return to days of yore the one nine hundred fifty s. where they talk about the perpetuation of the american empire and korea was. like i mean what is their support for people

you think if the f.b.i. is scared of going out and going to terra charge you know when i spoke to the f.b.i. on background i don't see that actually i just i just don't see the realisation that when you look at say what grady did and they look at what you charge the environmental rights activists and rights activists they pretty much along total them and yet terrorism was never brought up i mean when i spoke to us assistant william roache he basically looked at me or absolutely look at me told me that you know i took a hard look at this i did not see the mass of terrorism here you know he tried to burn down a plane parenthood and he threw basically where he lit a fire in an unoccupied room and then occupied and therefore since there is no threat to human life therefore it's not the best interest of. all right yeah right i'm with you there in the sense that i think it looks like a double standard for a lot of other people matthew thanks so much for joining us tonight you're so much for having. time for one mo

instructional material discovered during a month long investigation of the f.b.i. counterterrorism training warned agents against shaking hands with asians and said arabs were prone to. jacqueline hyde temper tantrums well once again it's the norm of a syndrome so these get these ages who are allowed to break the law to pursue the bad guys and oh let's get some opium afghanistan to go chase the bad guys always do some gun running into mexico to go chase the bad guys and of course they become the bad guys they are the psychos of the way attacking them selves in the mirror because that's what we have a norman bates debt think lation economy stacy herbert thanks so much for being on the kaiser report thank you max don't go away coming back with much more so stay there. hasn't been easy. it is to get the maximum political. material is for. journalism. we want to position. something else. i welcome back to the kaiser report guys are time now to go to new york city and speak with reggie middleton boom bust blog dot com where you can subscribe to one of his forensic analy

and the fact is, scott, he's been an active source of information, meeting with the f.b.i. other ands some 40 times in the past two years. >> pelley: bob, thank you. federal investigators are using every tool they have to get to the bottom of the pentagon secret service prostitution scandal. 21 americans have under investigation for allegedly hiring prostitutes in colombia while they were preparing security for president obama's trip there last weekend. norah o'connell is at the white house breaking new details tonight. >> reporter: u.s. government investigators are now on the ground in cartagena, trying to piece together what happened last wednesday night. misconduct so intolerable, it ended the years of least three members of the united states secret service. we have learned the names of two of the supervisors let go. david cheney was allowed to retire. greg stokes, who ran the canine unit, was removed with cause. and under federal rules has the option to appeal. a third officer resigned and another eight remain under investigation, their futures main in limbo. new york c

instructional material discovered during a month long investigation of the f.b.i. counterterrorism training warned agents against shaking hands with asians and said arabs were prone to. jacqueline hi temper tantrums oh once again it's the norman bates syndrome so these guys these days as they are allowed to break the law to pursue the bad guys that oh let's get some opium afghanistan to go chase the bad guys always do some gun running into mexico to go chase the bad guys and of course they become the bad guys and they are the psychos in the way it's acting themselves in the mirror because that's what we have a norman bates debt deflation because anime stacey herbert thanks so much for being on the kaiser report thank you max don't go away coming back with much more so stay there. are no. more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world and seeing from the streets of canada. trying to corporations rule the day. three. three. three. three. three. three. three. videos for your media project. i welcome back to the kaiser report. time now

agents. >> reporter: the f.b.i. examiner determined that this finger print, found in madrid matched a print taken from brandon mayfield when he was in the military. >> they proceeded to push through rather forcefully, to handcuff me. it was just unbelievable. it was surreal. i mean one minute you're sitting there. you've taken your kids to school. you've said have a good day and be a learning super star and you're working on your case in your office. the next minute you're heading downtown in cuffs and people are searching you for blasting caps and detonators. >> reporter: for generations the f.b.i. and their fingerprint examiners have maintained that fingerprint identification is infallible. routinely testifying that they are 100% certain, and there's 0% chance they could be wrong. >> fingerprint examiners have been taught that there's only one person in the world who could have left this finger print. there's no scientific basis for that. >> reporter: wait a second. there's no scientific basis for matching like a