it is unclear who ginni thomas was referring to. supreme court justice clarence thomas often refers to his wife this way. >> i love being here with my bride, virginia, who's a gift from god and my totally best friend in the whole world. >> reporter: ginni thomas recently acknowledged she had attended president trump's rally at the ellipse prior to the attack but says she left before mr. trump addressed the crowd. ginni thomas has publicly denied any conflict of interest between her activism and her husband's work. in the one case heard by the court tied to the january 6th insurrection they voted to release trump white house records to the committee. there was only one dissent -- justice clarence thomas. mark meadows had no comment, though his attorney did confirm the content of the text messages. ginni thomas, she did not respond to multiple requests for comment today. and justice thomas, who has been hospitalized in recent days with an infection, he also did not respond to a request for comment made through the supreme court. >> bo

>> i am actually still stuck on ginni thomas -- i read profiles of ginni thomas for years, and she waspublican party. she was the establishment's establishment. she looked down on us because we didn't march in lockstep behind newt gingrich and dick army, and she was tow the line and follow the leaders, solute. matt schlapp, the first time i met him, he was in the bush white house, and he was as republican as it got. i just look at these texts, and this is not just an indictment on ginni thomas being a member of qanon, saying that joe biden and his family are going to be tried on barges and jailed off of gitmo, and this is the entire conservative establishment that has put her in the forefront. gene talked about it and i talked about it. jonathan, she's on the forefront of the conservative movement and has been for a quarter of a century, and this shows you, this shows you where the washington, d.c. conservative movement has gone over 25 years. it's so deeply corrupted and has been overtaken by conspiracy theories and cranks. >> yeah. the latest piece of evidence of how the republican p

it is unclear who ginni thomas was referring to. supreme court justice clarence thomas often refers to his wife this way: >> i love being here with my bride, virginia, who is a gift from god, and my totally best friend in the whole world. >> reporter: ginni thomas recently acknowledged she had attended president trump's rally at the ellipse prior to the attack but says she left before mr. trumpcracied the crowd. ginni thomas has publicly denied any conflict of interest between her activism and her husband's work. in the one case heard by the court tied to the january 6 insurrection,s they voted to release trump white house records to the committee. there was only one dissent-- justice clarence thomas. mark meadows had no comment, though his attorney did confirm th content of the text messages, ginni thomas, she did not respond to multiple requests for comment today. and justice thomas, who has been hospitalized in recent days with an infection, he also did not respond to a request for comment made through the supreme court. >> o'don

we don't know yet if ginni thomas has done anything criminal. don't even know whether she was involved in any of the planning. what we do know so far is that this wife of the supreme court justice was a cheerleader of this coup attempt. amy: ian millhiser, thank you for being with us, senior correspondent at vox. we will link to your coverage at democracynow.org. coming up, we look at a new frontline/ginni documentary "plot to overturn the election." stay with us. ♪♪ [music break] amy: this is democracy now! i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. a federal judge ruled monday that former president trump and his lawyer "likely" committed multiple felonies in their bid to block certification of joe biden's electoral college victory in 2020. u.s. district court judge david carter ordered trump legal adviser john eastman to turn over hundreds of emails to the house committee investigating the january 6 attack after determining trump and eastman launched a campaign to overturn a democratic election, calling it a "coup in search of a legal theory." also o

it is unclear who ginni thomas was referring to. supreme court justice clarence thomas often refers to his wife this way -- >> i love being here with my bride, virginia, who's a gift from god and my totally best friend in the whole world. >> reporter: ginni thomas recently acknowledged she had attended president trump's rally at the ellipse prior to the attack but says she left before mr. trump addressed the crowd. ginni thomas has publicly denied any conflict of interest between her activism and her husband's work. in the one case heard by the court tied to the january 6 insutiotedo release trump white house records to the committee. there was only one dissent -- justice clarence thomas. >> that was robert costa reporting. mark meadows had no comment, and his attorney confirmed the content of the text messages. ginni thomas did not respond to multiple requests for comment. and just thomas, who remains in the hospital, also did not respond. >>> ahead on "cbs mornings," we're going to talk with robert costa and bob woodward about the

i'd say ginni thomas trashtd those codes, how a justice or a justice's wife reacts on this.e, i want to ask jane when your spouse has an interest you've got to recuse. that word interest does that mean financial interest or psychological interest? it seems to me justice thomas has a psychological interest, there are a lot of interests so i'd want to ask jane that question about whether it really went over the line. >> woodruff: and that's a question we don't have the chance to ask here. we're going to have to wait a few days to look at that. but we'll try to figure it out in the next few days. david brooks, jonathan capehart thanks so much >> woodruff: as we reported, president biden and the european union today announced new plans to enable europe to become less dependent on russian oil and gas. but those are efforts that will take a lot more money and far more time to execute. for now, the russian invasion has opened up much larger questions over our dependence on fossil fuels, and the need to develop cleaner renewable energy. science correspondent miles o'brien reports on

ginni thomas is the wife of a public maybe ordinarily entitled to her opinions. but this. >> advocating the overthrow of an election. how bad is it? yeah, i mean, if you think about it, you have 116 nominees and potential juror us to the supreme court. >> 108 of them have been white men. so what's happened this week with justice proposed a who's been proposes justice that would be a watershed moment and obviously justice thomas who's been on the court as an african american man presents an important moment and opportunity for the court. so what your spouse does or what those around you do is an important element of legitimacy of the court. this is what chief justice roberts has argued for for decades is that the legit isn't legitimacy of the institution of the court is at stake. so when your spouse talks about overturning an election, when your spouse talks about moving forward on that idea something that has gone wrong, that leads to the events of january 6. it does challenge the legitimacy of the court and justice thomas. and if we're looking at changing the co

so that's what is going on in ginni thomas' head. leads me to believe that she wasn't necessarily on a qanon post. it led me to believe this had seeped so deeply into republican talking points and republican talkradio that qanon stuff had become the base of the party at this point. so she was probably hear thing from people in real life. she was hearing this not on forums but maybe from friends and on email chains, things like that, text chains. so that's why i think she's probably get thing stuff. this is some old fashioned, day one qanon from ginni thomas. >> to your point how deeply it's seeped into the party itself, of all the people i work with, you are not top of mind, but as i was watching the confirmation hearings and watching the gop trying to signal to q believers, all i could think of is what does ben collins make of this? s the moral panic around pedophilia has seeped itself into republican party talking points. it's an easy way to wink and nod at this thing, saying of course we don't believe that joe biden is running som

ginnie thomas respond. thank you. needed that.s plus, a conversation with my best friend just now. we do not know who that best friend was. we know that she and her husband have referred to each other as best friend in the past. i want to ask you, first of all, broadly to get our hands around this. are there legal and ethical issues here for supreme court justice? what are the rules for supreme court justice in this area of phonetial conflict of interest? >> so i've been reporting this and interviewing several of the country's foremost experts on judicial ethics and what is fascinating about this new material is that several of these ethics experts on the law said that clarence thomas and ginnie thomas in these particular situations have crossed the red lines. and what are the red lines? well, the supreme court as we know is not found by the judicial code of ethics that applies to all federal judges in the lore courts this. supreme court self enforces its own ethics code. but it is found by u.s. law -- there is u.s. statue that sa

if she were ginny jones instead of ginny thomas, it would seem to be automatic they would want to talkwyers did, gene. no offense. which is flipped it around -- >> my dad was a lawyer. >> there you go. you know, i should have known. flip it around and say, not, well, is it a close call, but how could you not? that's how strong the requirements are. i take your point because it dovetails which what we mentioned earlier with mr. navarro and mr. scavino. you know, these are people who defied where 750 others cooperated. we are a nation of laws. yes, she is a spouse, but does she have that obligation. the committee may not -- the committee will decide whether they call her. but people are not above the law just because they -- and i say this as a compliment -- married well, if you want to call it that. he is supreme court justice. >> thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >> a.j. coming up, florida governor ron desantis cracking down on freedom. kind of freedom apparently he doesn't like? freedom to love. stay with us. g you lost. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instan

ginny thomas in recent weeks has given an interview.ole planning the attack that day, and she's really made clear that she is careful to distance her political activity from her husband, but court watchdogs are flagging the fact that justice thomas dissented in february 2021 after the majority of the court declined to hear a case that sought to disqualify pennsylvania mail-in ballots and perhaps change the trajectory of the election and then in january, of this year, justice thomas was the only justice to dissent in a case where the supreme court said that trump could not block his white house records from the january 6th committee. so the supreme court justices here including thomas consistently said they'd stay out of politics and notably it is within their own discretion whether to recuse from the case something justice thomas hasn't done in any of these cases but the optics with 29 text messages in all, the optics are murky and a lot of looming questions that no doubt, the committee will probe into. kate? >> it's good to see you, je

why does ginni thomas matter? >> right.have presented an issue for debate for the committee. they have had these for months. mark meadows turned them over late last year and at first the committee believed that ginni thomas was one of many sending conspiracy theorys to the white house and not everybody had seen the texts and perhaps true impact hadn't gotten out. this week once they were revealed it starts a new round of debate. it raised a bunch of questions for the committee. she has access to not only mark meadows but jared kushner. she was instrumental in pushing for certain things to happen with overturning the election. many people have gotten subpoenaed by the committee. had more than 7 interviews. it started to look like a double standard for her and just today we learned that liz cheney and bennie thompson is discussing this matter with the committee, staff, investigator, with other members and likely to send a letter or reach out to her in another way soon to ask her to come in for an interview. >> frank, you can

ginni thomas repeatedly urged meadows to overturn the 2020 presidential election.sages, meadows tells thomas to hang on until the king of kings triumphs. and thomas references a conversation with her, quote, best friend, which some have read to mean her husband, but we do not know that for sure. the question now is, should these texts lead to a subpoena for ginni thomas or justice clarence thomas recusing himself from any supreme court case on january 6th? here's select committee member representative adam kinzinger on face the nation this morning. >> we want to make sure this isn't driven, even though it's in the political realm, it's not driven by a political motivation, it's driven by facts. when it comes to any potential future calling in of ms. thomas, we'll look at what the evidence is and make a decision and you'll know as soon as we do. >> so much to unpack. i want to bring in contributor and editor at large of the bulwark, charlie sykes. you had this kind of nine-point piece laying out these incredible texts we have all read at this point. shocking texts.

there's talk that the january six committee could subpoena not only ginni thomas but clarence thomas.? and the, just how catastrophically damaging would that be to the reputation of the court if a sitting supreme court justice is subpoenaed for a committee that is investigating attempts to incite insurrection? >> that would certainly not look -- it would raise all kind of difficult legal questions about separation of power along the branches, this congress have the authority to do that. wouldn't that question ultimately be up to the supreme court? which reviews the subpoena power of congress. usually it does so with congress is subpoenaing people outside the court. so, you know, that would be a real mess. one question would be, what would congress really get? if we are talking about, presumably private communication between justice thomas and his wife. what's really is there to subpoena? but it certainly would be a way to try to embarrass him and embarrass the court. >> i mean, and also tie everything in the legal world into an insane number of not trying to untangle whether it was an

that is very shakespearean for someone named ginni. there's not a lot of ginnis in shakespeare. not a shakespearean name no one's buying tickets to see "romeo and ginni." [ laughter ] "i liked romeo, but the ginni character was a lot. and let's not forget the reason this is so shocking is trump was open about his desire to have the supreme court help him stay in power he said it repeatedly and took his case to the supreme court. there was even a case where trump sued to block the national archives from releasing any records related to january 6th, and the only justice to side with trump in that 8-1 ruling was clarence thomas. he sided with trump in a case to block the release of records that could have potentially implicated his own wife. that is a slap in the face to the constitution and even if it was to protect your wife, slapping is never okay [ laughter ] no slapping! [ cheers and applause so, it's a massive scandal although, i get it if i was saying crazy [ bleep like that, my wife would want those texts blocked, too in fact, i'm pretty sure she already has my number block

nbc news is reporting that the committee tonight plans to talk about calling in ginni thomas, wife ofme court justice clarence thomas. that discussion expected to happen behind closed doors on whether to recommend contempt charges against peter navarro and dan scavino who have refused to comply with committee subpoenas. the committee seems a little closer to getting documents john eastman has tried to keep from them. nearly all of eastman's documents need to be handed over and significantly noting the former president, in his words, likely attempted to obstruct joint session of congress. let me break this down. leigh ann caldwell is on capitol hill for nbc news. also with us is pete williams. betsy woodruff swan, an msnbc contributor, joins us as well. leigh ann, let me start with you and about jared kushner set to appear in front of the committee this week. talk to us about what we know. >> we don't know that much, hallie. we do know that he's scheduled to appear on thursday. perhaps because with he wasn't subpoenaed, he was requested to come, as they do with other trump family membe

nbc news now confirmed house investigators will talk about ginni thomas tonight.towards calling her in front of the committee. the reason? those text messages that she sent to mark meadows about trying to overturn the legitimate election and urging then president trump not to concede. and also this was not a criminal case, right, so this doesn't mean either man has been found guilty, but the judge ruled eastman has to turn over documents to the january 6th committee. they will meet tonight, hours from now, and they will decide if they are going to hold two in contempt. it's a lot. washington post national reporter and msnbc contributor, carol lenning, and university of alabama law professor, joyce advance. let me start with you on this new reporting from our capitol hill team as it relates to what the january 6th committee may do about ginni thomas? >> the committee is planning to meet today to decide whether to hold peter navarro and scavino in contempt, and then after that the committee intends to meet to discuss what to do about the wife of supreme court justic

again, that is coming from, according to the washington post, ginni thomas.see the january 6th committee continuing to peel back the layers of this one? >> a few thoughts here. it's unbelievable people actually believe this stuff to be clear. this is complete conspiracy theory nonsense being spouted by ginni thomas who is the wife of a supreme court justice. what the committee will try and figure out is where the money is coming from. how involved was ginni thomas? was she involved in funding or organizing the rally? that will be of interest to the january 6th committee. what kind of further communications did she have with people, whether it's lawmakers or anybody in the trump administration to try and overturn the election. she was clearly interested in the overturning the election. she and other might find themselves the subject of subpoenas and target letters from the committee on those very issues. >> jake sherman live from us there at the republican retreat, and jake, always love seeing your back drops. good to see you. >>> coming up on the show, one of

>> well, i think we don't know the extent of ginni thomas in all of this.me of the questions she was sending, the frequency she was communicating with mark meadows. i don't think we know enough to know how involved she was or wasn't. whether the january 6th committee wants to take the time to find out, i think it is a hard question. maybe she was more involved, but it doesn't rise to the level that it overwhelms the other evidence they have and it is not worth the effort. they will have to make that determination. i think beyond that, the significance of this in part is also about the court, frankly. this is an anti-democratic project that she was incredibly invested in. she is the wife of a supreme court justice who is ruling on these issues. and clarence thomas himself has talked recently about the confidence the american people have in the court. i don't see how this doesn't do more to chip away at that than, say, the idea of court packing, which i think most people think won't go anywhere. >> jinl ginni thomas is a priva citizen but her husband is a sup

do not concede, ginni thomas wrote it takes time for the army who is gathering for his back that text is one 2 between mrs. thomas and mr. meadows which he provided to the january 6th committee last year, according to a person familiar with the material. quote, help this great president stand firm, mark, she texted on november 10th. the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. in other texts, mrs. thomas pushed debunked conspiracy theories and offers advice for the trump team none of the text messages mention the court or clarence thomas directly. but critics argue the texts present a troubling conflict of interest for justice thomas the lone dissent in an 8-1 january supreme court ruling forcing mr. trump to turn over documents to the january 6th committee. and who could be faced with other election or insurrection-related cases in the future. >> should clarence thomas recuse himself from anything having to do with the 2020 election now >> absolutely. it's clear that his wife was involved in efforts to try to overturn the election. it's -- th

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this secrecy about clarence thomas, there's secrecy about ginni thomas, isn't the theme, jane, secrecy? >> i mean, this has been one of the problems for reporters all along is that the supreme court is so completely shrouded in secrecy and so it's very hard to penetrate the inner sank tums there and find out what's going on. it takes a lot of deep reporting and it matters hugely. i think this is the thing that people need to understand is that what we're looking at is potentially a tremendous conflict of interest for clarence thomas to sit on key cases that have to do with the protection of our democracy in which his wife apparently has some kind of a major role that she's playing. there is -- people think that the supreme court is not governed by any kind of ethics code that they have to adhere to, but it is actually what i think many people don't understand is it is actually governed by a specific federal law that says that all judges including supreme court justices have to step aside and recuse themselves from cases in which their spouses are actually have an interest in the outcom

ginni knew for the entirety what she was doing politically was wrong. what she is doing is wrong. we saw ted cruz and others prevail saying that she would recuse herself. 9 difference is ketanji brown jackson has integrity and she probably because she's a normal person has the ability to be shamed. we don't see that from the thomass. "the new york times" magazine article was a bombshell. it was really, really nascent, painting a picture. it's really shameful what we've seen out of the thomass. >> reading the texts, it was absolutely stunning. i agree with you, as i always do with both of you guys. don and susan, thank you so much. >>> some new alarm over the threat of russian cyber attacks and a leading lawmaker sounding the alarm. are the attacks inevitably coming? we've still got the best moves you've ever seen good for you, but shingles doesn't care. because 1 in 3 people will get shingles, you need protection. but, no matter how healthy you feel, your immune system declines as you age increasing your risk for getting shingles. so, what can protect y

>> dickerson: and ginny thomas may not just be about what she said, but what she is on the listeningend of. she can provide material about what mark meadows was saying. >> we don't have the full picture -- >> dickerson: we have a little more of the picture thanks to the both of you. thanks to both of you for being here. we'll be back in a moment. outside the band, man. you gn digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop. what would you like the power to do? she's feeling the power of listerine. he's feeling it. yep, them too. it's an invigorating rush... ...zapping millions of germs in seconds. for that one-of-a-kind whoa... ...which leaves you feeling... ahhhhhhh listerine. feel the whoa! ♪ ♪ can a company make the planet a better place? what if it's a company of people working beside friends and neighbors? pursuing 100% renewable energy in our operations. aiming to protect, manage or restore millions of acres of land. and offering you more sustainably sourced products so you can become part of the change. so, can a company make the planet a better place? we're working on it, ev

you saw the text messages from ginni thomas, clarence thomas' wife. i want to read just two of them. on november 6th she said do not concede. it takes time for the army that is gathering. on november 19th sounds like sidney, sidney powell, are getting inundated with evidence of fraud. make a plan. release the kraken. save us from the left taking american down. my goodness. >> the facts are clear here. this is unbelievable. you have the wife of a sitting supreme court justice advocating for an insurrection, advocating for overturning a legal election to the sitting president's chief

>> you can only assume that the trump people knew that ginni thomas was clarence thomas' wife, and sheen special access and special opportunities to meet with the president throughout the president -- the president trump's term. that does seem to be an effort to appeal to her husband. and it worked in one case. he was the only justice who voted for trump in the first january 6th case. i don't know what went on behind the scenes, but this is precisely the reason why judges are supposed to recuse themselves when there is this appearance of possible influence from the outside. >> yeah. what a bizarre twist. jeffrey, thank you so much for that. >> all righty, brianna. >>> intense fighting overnight in several cities with ukrainian forces making gains east of the capital. our next guest is a ukrainian journalist and says though there is a lot of work left to do, they're not losing hope. stuff. we love stuff. and there's some really great stuff out there. but i doubt that any of us will look back on our lives and think, "i wish i'd bought an en thinner tv, fod a lighter light beer, or had an

>> i think it's a potential liability for ginni thomas.t, is she could face civil or criminal liability for what she was trying to do to overturn the results of the legitimate election. and that is why under that statute the jane mentioned, the spouses significant interest is at stake. when justice thomas ruled on a case about whether certain documents can come in, or what's the definition of sedition is, or whether or not there was interference with an official proceeding, all kind of legal -- relating to not just the january 6th insurrection, but all of the events after november 3rd when donald trump tried to turn himself from a loser into a winner, her own liability, even her freedom is potentially at stake. i do agree with professor -- this is a game-changer. whether thomas knew it or not , he does. now he has the duty step aside , if he doesn't, i think other steps need to be taken >> let's talk about the other steps, including possibly the action that the supreme court can take itself. is there any logical outcome? is there any self

it is important to note here ginny thomas is absolutely entitled to say whatever she wants, and justthe wife of a supreme court justice does not mean that she has to be quiet and not say those things. i certainly would say that even as you have some conservatives saying even that and what she said appears to be seditious, doesn't matter. she's allowed to say it. i think it becomes an issue, and you don't have to be a law professor to understand that ethically a judicial scholar would simply say this does not look good, especially when justice thomas became the one lone dissenter on the very issue about president howard: wouldn't there be an avalanche of media criticism if it were aimed at any other politician other than donald trump? >> absolutely. pom raments is wrong here. prosecutors ten down when they don't agree with their superiors. that does happen. when it does happen, that prosecutor had access to all kinds of information. he or she should not be out there spewing opinions especially because in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. this was a mess and, in fact,

it's reaction to the new reporting confirmed by nbc news that his wife, ginni thomas, exchanged dozensresident trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, urging him to overturn the 2020 election. now, here's one of those exchanges, according to "the washington post," bob woodward, and robert costa. on november 10, 2020, thomas wrote to meadows, in part, help this great president stand firm, mark. the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist in our history. meadows responds, i will stand firm. we will fight until there is no fight left. our country is too precious to give up on. thanks for all you do. the 29 text messages between ginni thomas and meadows are now confirmed to be in the hands of the january 6th select committee. while the post reporting says mrs. thomas's texts don't directly reference justice thomas or the supreme court, it does raise new questions about her husband's role in future january 6th rulings following his decision in january as the lone justice to vote against the national archives handing over trump white house documents to the committee.

so the more this goes on, the longer it goes on, the more ginni thomas becomes just so heavily involved, the more pressure it will put on people to do something about it. but the fact is nothing can be done about it, nothing can be done about it. if clarence thomas chooses not to recuse himself, he will not recuse himself. there's nobody who can make him do it, and that's going to be a very difficult issue as we go on through the rest of this process. >> so what is the next step in this process when it comes to the january 6th committee? >> first of all, we can expect eastman to appeal. the trump folks have done a masterful job of using the courts to stall, to delay, to keep things from happening when it should have happened a long time ago. eastman will follow that track. he will appeal. it'll take months before this gets settled and the committee gets his emails. but here's the problem. the clock is ticking for these guys. time is going by. we know there's an election in november, and after that election, should the republicans take congress, especially the house, and there's a good c

on the table, based on cbs news reporting, a possible subpoena for ginni thomas. >> o'donnell: wow. we'll be watching. robert costa, incredible reporting, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. >> o'donnell: tonight, the death of a 14-year-old boy is sending shock waves through orlando, florida, the theme park capital of the world. the boy, who is being remembered as a gentle giant, fell from a new ride built as the tallest free-standing drop tower in the world. we do want to warn you video from the scene is disturbing. here's cbs' manuel bojorquez. >> reporter: before the orlando free fall ride at icon park lifted these riders last night, one appeared to question the seat restraints. >> why doesn't it have the clip click, like the seat belt. >> reporter: and as it lifted, a worker said this... >> did you check the seat belt? seat belt? >> nope. >> seat belt. >> reporter: the ride appears to have only an over-the-shoulder harness that locks riders into place as it descends 75 miles per hour. but last night, as it dropped for more than 400 feet, a rider came off the seat and fell to his

as it is about ginni thomas this is also about an institution that's supposed to be beyond reapproachbility of the court is the court's behavior. unfortunately that means having not just a law or rules on the books, because you can't restore creditability in the absence of being accountable to those rules. same thing we seen in congress trying to hold donald trump accountable twice for things certainly impeachable events, you know, we need to actually see the institutions work actual accountability for what the rules of the road are. that's what we need to see and yes i agree that there should be a code of conduct but it could still be ignored by congress. that's where we need accountability as well. >> glad you brought that up. that's part of the thing here, there's both it's interplay between ginni thomas and the white house at the time and the inter play between ginni thomas and congress reaching out to the representative chief of staff and earlier this week it was revealed that trump asked him to rescind the election results. when you step back and look at the additional details w

ginni thomas is a conservative activist. that is her prerogative.n between these two. i think this incident will only continue to highlight those calls. again, there's no one to enforce them except for justice thomas himself. >> garrett haake, thank you so much. >>> coming up, we've got an update on an incredible story we showed you several weeks ago about a chicago woman who fled kyiv with her mother. their harrowing journey and where they're going next after a quick break. i could've waited to tell my doctor i had leg pain just walking the dog... but i didn't wait. i could've put off telling my doctor my leg was red and swollen just doing the crossword... but i didn't wait. they told their doctors. and found out their symptoms... leg pain, swelling and redness - were deep vein thrombosis. a blood clot which could travel to the lungs and lead to a pulmonary embolism. which could cause chest pain or discomfort, or difficulty breathing - and be deadly. if you have one or more of these symptoms, contact your doctor. this is no time to wait. [yawn] bro

virginia ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas, urged mark meadows to pursuelection text show. on november 10th after news organizations had projected joe biden, the winner based on state vote totals, thomas wrote to meadows, help this great president stand from, mark! you are the leader, with him, who standing for america's constitutional governance at the precipice. the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest highest in our history. here's what makes this even more corrupt. we know that she's a qanon right-wing no need to. she's always been that. but, she is married to one of the justices of the supreme court. and the only justice out of nine who voted this way. he did not recuse himself, he was the only vote to block the january six committee from getting trump papers. jeanne's text were at stake. this is pure corruption on the part of the thomas's. your thoughts. we >> joy, i don't say this lightly, but based on what we are learning, this feels like a deeply unethical decision by justice thomas, not to recuse himself from having anythi

neither clarence nor ginni thomas had any comment on any of this today. there's nothing that can force him to recuse himself, and republicans are standing by justice thomas. mitch mcconnell saying today that he has, quote, total confidence in thomas', quote, brilliance and impartiality. david? >> jon karl live in washington. jon, thank you. >>> and a somber ritual at dover air force base in delaware today. the dignified transfer of four fallen marines who died when their osprey aircraft went down in bad weather in a training exercise in norway last friday. captain matthew tomkiewicz of fort wayne, indiana. captain ross a. reynolds of leominster, massachusetts. gunnery sergeant james w. speedy of cambridge, ohio. corporal jacob m. moore of catlettsburg, kentucky. tonight, a nation honors them. >>> when we come back here, the major weather system moving in for the east. wind chills dropping to single digits. rob marciano standing by to time this out. careful now. - thanks. -you got it. and thanks to voya, i'm confident about my future. -oh dad, the twins ar

another question for ginni thomas.tee wants to interview, will reach out for an interview, with ginni thomas, the wife of supreme court justice clarence thomas. she's long been active in conservative groups in the tea party. we saw last week some of the simply startling text messages to then white house chief of staff mark meadows saying be aggressive. we'll get the army in the streets. adam kinzinger says, maybe she has a right to say this. maybe not. >> if a private citizen has a conversation, of course. we have a freedom of speech in this country. the question for the committee is, this or any exchange, was there a conspiracy or an attempt to come up with a reason or how close did we get to overturning an election? >> it's one of the fascinating questions still. the committee has made a ton of progress in piecing together groups and individuals in this conspiracy or plan. i'll call it a plan. i'm not a lawyer. ginni thomas. >> yeah, amazing to look at her text messages to and from mark meadows. of course, she has ac

anderson, meadows may not be the only person getting these text messages from ginni thomas.meone she referred to as jarrett. was that the president's son-in-law and senior adviser? it's unclear but lawmakers will be able to ask him just that when jared kushner appears voluntarily before the committee this week. >> there was a ruling today regarding the former president and his role on january 6. what happened? >> that's right, soanderson, in that ruling they said john eastman has to turn over some records to the house select committee. the house select committee has used this litigation over john eastman's e-mails to publicly lay out the criminal conduct on former president trump. in a filing in this case earlier this month, the committee accused the former president and eastman in engaging in a criminal conspiracy to perpetrate a fraud against the american people by trying to undermine the outcome of the election. and here, in today's decision, you have a federal judge saying, yeah, that's right, it's more likely than not that they were planning a crime. that is a big boost

if you're considering is there a line of demarkation between ginni thomas and clarence thomas, therecame to the tranches of documents to go to the national archives. they did despite the fact that they objected so it. the supreme court operates on an honor system. a federal law requiring recusal when your impatient would be called in question. >> we'll keep watching this. >>> our cnn team is hearing several explosions through the night near the ukrainian capital of kyiv. >>> plus, we're getting word of russian forces trying to create a corridor there to cut off supplies. we're live on the ground next. >>> and ukraine vowing to investigate a video that appears to show shoulders shooting russian prisoners of war in the legs. stand by for news. obviously, we got termites. well, first thing is, you gotta know what they're bitin' on. hey! i told you to hire a pro. i did get a pro. an orkin pro! i got this. got termites? don't call any pro, call the orkin pro. orkin. the best in pests. trelegy for copd. ♪ birds flyin' high ♪ ♪ you know how i feel ♪ (coughing) ♪ breeze driftin' on by ♪ ♪ yo

it all centers around text messages between his wife, ginni thomas and white house staff. messages were obtained by the january 6th committee and reviewed by the washington post in the lead up to the riot. she repeatedly urged then trump chief of staff, mark meadows to keep fighting the results ov the 2020 election. messages don't mention the court or clarence thomas but critics argue they present a troubling conflict of interest. >> you're required to recuse. >> an interview with the washington free beacon earlier this month, ginni thomas said she and her husband stay in separate lanes adding they don't discuss work. >>> it's not an easy job. a new survey reveals 40% of covid researchers say they have been harassed since the pandemic began. the survey was published in the journal called science. 510 covid researchers responded. 38% said they have been harassed which included personal insults or attack on their professional capabilities. 3% said they received death threats. >>> the new jobs report shows the bay area and california have steady gains in february. we added 22

it begs the question who does ginni thomas mean when she says best friend.ed to your best friend. he said that publicly many other times including the supreme court's annual lecture in 2019. >> i love to spend time with my wife who is totally my best friend in the whole world. >> armstrong williams, a longtime friend of justice thomas was quoted about ginni in "the new york times" magazine saying just last month, it's his wife, best friend, most trusted confidant, he loves her unconditionally. he doesn't agree with everything but they work it out privately. thomas is a defender of former president trump on the court. when a court declined to hear a case of republicans seeking to disqualify certain mail-in ballots. and this past january, he was the only justice to vote against the lease of trump white house-related documents. and joining me now is nancy gurtner, former u.s. district judge of the district of massachusetts, currently a senior lecturer at the harvard law school. so, the question i guess, judge, is this, should justice thomas have recused himself

what else does ginny thomas say?everything he possibly could to try to stand in the way of certification of joe biden's victory including encouraging these questionable conservative lawyers. these are between both thomas and meadows. ginny thomas writes sounds like sydney and their team are getting inundated. make a plan, release the cracken and save us from the left taking american down. the cracken is how sidney powell described herself. then there's january 6th herself. we know ginny thomas was here in washington on that day. she watched part of president trump's speech at the ellipse and said she went home after the fact. she reached out to meadows on january 10th, four days after the violence and chaos on capitol hill and said, quote, we are living through what feels like the end of america. most of us are disgusted with the vp and are in listening mode to see where to fight with with our teams. those who attacked the capitol. amazing times, the end of liberty. this is the wife of a supreme court justice suggest

separately, "the washington post" reports the committee now wants to interview ginni thomas, the wifee bizarre qanon text messages ginni thomas exchanged with mark meadows she encouraged him to overturn the 2020 election. this comes after the committee today scored a significant victory in court against trump lawyer and insurrection memo author john eastman who tried and failed to weasel out of a subpoena for documents. more explosive however, the judge in the case said trump probably committed a felony when he tried to stop congress from certifying the vote for biden in a sweeping and historic 44-page ruling today, u.s. district court judge david carter wrote based on the evidence the court finds it more likely than not trump elected to obstruct the joint session of congress on january 6th, 2021. professor at the alabama school of law and former u.s. attorney and elie, and peter, former fbi counter intelligence agent. thank you for being here. joyce, i'm going to you. i'm reading through this 44-page ruling and as a layperson, it's jaw dropping. the walk through that the judge that t

over the span of two months, after the 2020 election, we know that justice clarence thomas's wife ginnism, texted then white house chief of staff mark meadows urging him to continue to fight the results of the 2020 election. pushing conspiracy theories that have been debunked about the 2020 election. she sent him a total of 29 text messages, here are a few of those. she said do not concede. it takes time for the army who is gathering for his back. speaking of then president trump. another says help this great presidents'day and firm, mark, you are the leader with him who is standing for america's constitutional governance at the precipice. the majority knows biden in the left is attempting the greatest heist of our here history. sources familiar at this tech say they're part of a trove of a document of records that meadows voluntarily gave the january six committee, back when he was voluntarily working with them. we know that, since, he has been one of a few in trump's inner circle who has been willing to face possible criminal charges for refusing to comply with the committee. but, as

what are the legal complications as far as you see them if ginni thomas is in fact subpoenaed?cs role in the supreme court where justices get to decide their own recusal decisions. in some of those text messages, which have been widely reported, ginni thomas's urging mark meadows not to concede, to continue to fight. and at one point she even makes reference to talking to her best friend, which some believe is clarence thomas himself. and so, people certainly are entitled to live their own lives, apart from their spouse. and engage in certain kinds of political activity, even if their spouse is a judge. but when it comes down to a direct conflict, and clarence thomas is the one deciding whether she has to testify, for example. that could be a very direct conflict. but even if it is not directly asked to her, for example, the decision that the supreme court recently made about whether the national archives should turn over white house documents. he was the only justice who descended from that opinion. and now, i think it calls into question his impartiality. was that because he

do they need to get more from ginni thomas about all of this?dows going forward or since those had evolved? but those are going to be big questions about whether the committee wants to hear directly from her about her involvement or thinking and discussions on overturning the election. >> it's a question of how involved was she potentially? she does say this. she's acknowledged she was at the january 6th rally at the ellipse. she was not at the capitol. we are living through what feels like the end of america. most of us are disgusted with the vp and listening mode to see where to fight with our teams. those who attacked the capitol are not representative of our great teams of patriots for donald j. trump. amazing times, the end of liberty. she is talking about teams. there's a lot of unanswered questions in all of this, but i think if you are the january 6th committee, you want to know more. >> you want to know more. you want to know who in trump's inner circle was in communication with the organizers of the insurrection. how much they knew. wh

. >> reporter: in text messages obtained by the january 6th committee, ginny thomas, the wife of clarence thomas, repeatedly urges then trump chief of staff mark meld owes to keep fighting the results of the 2020 election. in one text, one week after election day, she reportedly writes, help this great president stand firm, mark. the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. in other texts, mrs. thomas pushes debunked conspiracy their business the election. in one, referencing a nonexistent sting operation in 12 battle ground states. according to the post, a theory about water marked ballots also circulated among fringe group qanon. mr. trump end gauged in multiple legal challenges to the election results and frequently tlemed to take them all the way to the nation's top court. >> we want the law to be used in a proper manner, so we'll be going to the u.s. supreme court. >> reporter: none of the text messages the court or clarence thomas directly, the post reports. but critics argue that it presents a troubling interest, it forced mr. trump to turn

now, the big question is this, when will mow brooks and ginni thomas be subpoenaed by the january six committee? as rachel says, watch this space. >> today, president biden sent a clear message to vladimir putin, don't even think about attacking nato territory. today, in warsaw, poland, biden made references to the cold war, and called on western leaders to remain unified against a russian assault on democratic ukraine. >> all of us, here in poland, must do the hardworking democracy each and every day, that's why -- [applause] that's why i came to europe again this week, with a clear and a determined message for nato, for 37, for the european union, for all freedom loving nations, we must commit now to fight for this long haul. we must remain unified today and tomorrow and the day after, and for the years and decades to come. it will not be easy. there will be costs. but the price we have to pay, because the darkness that drives autocracy is all no match for the flame of liberty that lights the souls of people everywhere! >> just before biden began his speech, a series of explosions h

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