gottlieb?uest: i spend a lot of time in the book talking about the need to be able to get if iterative answers to questions much earlier. we did not do a good job of collecting information early in the crisis. even now, in a lot of the key questions like the amount of therapeutics working, how many people are being hospitalized every day with covid -- i go through the difficulty we had getting that information from the cdc and why it is so important to develop the definitive information early enough, because one of the shortcomings of not being able to answer key questions early enough is the information void gets filled with other sources of information, some of which may not be reliable. for example, we were not able to establish early enough that hydroxy corrigan was not having enough of a benefit. even now, some of those views about that therapeutic have become so hardened that when definitive studies, along -- and there have been dozens -- it does not really change minds p8 i think the dat

gottlieb? guest: i spend a lot of time in the book talking about the need to be able to get if iterative answers to questions much earlier. we did not do a good job of collecting information early in the crisis. even now, in a lot of the key questions like the amount of therapeutics working, how many people are being hospitalized every day with covid -- i go through the difficulty we had getting that information from the cdc and why it is so important to develop the definitive information early enough, because one of the shortcomings of not being able to answer key questions early enough is the information void gets filled with other sources of information, some of which may not be reliable. for example, we were not able to establish early enough that hydroxy corrigan was not having enough of a benefit. even now, some of those views about that therapeutic have become so hardened that when definitive studies, along -- and there have been dozens -- it does not really change minds p8 i think the d

gottlieb?end a lot of time in the book talking about the need to be able to get if iterative answers to questions much earlier. we did not do a good job of collecting information early in the crisis. even now, in a lot of the key questions like the amount of therapeutics working, how many people are being hospitalized every day with covid -- i go through the difficulty we had getting that information from the cdc and why it is so important to develop the definitive information early enough, because one of the shortcomings of not being able to answer key questions early enough is the information void gets filled with other sources of information, some of which may not be reliable. for example, we were not able to establish early enough that hydroxy corrigan was not having enough of a benefit. even now, some of those views about that therapeutic have become so hardened that when definitive studies, along -- and there have been dozens -- it does not really change minds p8 i think the data on hospi

gottlieb?end a lot of time in the book talking about the need to be able to get if iterative answers to questions much earlier. we did not do a good job of collecting information early in the crisis. even now, in a lot of the key questions like the amount of therapeutics working, how many people are being hospitalized every day with covid -- i go through the difficulty we had getting that information from the cdc and why it is so important to develop the definitive information early enough, because one of the shortcomings of not being able to answer key questions early enough is the information void gets filled with other sources of information, some of which may not be reliable. for example, we were not able to establish early enough that hydroxy corrigan was not having enough of a benefit. even now, some of those views about that therapeutic have become so hardened that when definitive studies, along -- and there have been dozens -- it does not really change minds p8 i think the data on hospi

scott gottlieb. then, newly released facebook documents charge the explosion of misinformation that may have helped fuel the mayhem on january 6. we'll talk with the chairman of the top committee charged with investigating, mississippi democrat, bennie thompson. we'll also talk about the tough compromises democrats have to consider in order to make a deal. and we'll hear from the chief economist of the international monetary funds on how much those proposals could impact the u.s.-playinged economy. and almost two months after the last american soldier left afghanistan, questions about our chaotic departure linger. ambassador zalmay khalilzad, who negotiated the u.s. withdrawal, under presidents trump and biden, joins us for his first television interview since resigning last week. it's all just ahead on facethe naings. >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." we begin what may be a key week in washington as president biden tries to close in on a compromise version of his multitrill

gottlieb. dr. gottlieb, always good to talk to you.ant to pick up with you where i left off with governor justice, which was on this question of vaccine mandates for children. he didn't like thof codine of s as a governor, measles, mumps, rubella, tetanus, polio. should it be considered different? >> doctor: well, i think it is inevitable that the covid vaccine is going to be incorporated into the childhood immunization schedule. the c.d.c. has to take that up. my guess is they're not going to take that up until you have fully approved vaccines for children and more than one vaccine in the market available to kids. that might be more of a fall 2021/2022 event. bu you'll see other states and districts moving forward with their own mandates. i think the right focus is at the local level. you'll see other states, like california, taking this up. >> brennan: right, which they did. but what you're talking about is a practical matter of timing. he said it is aboutperson freedd for elves. ia eme th continue hrticularly from republicans. senat

scott gottlieb. >> bret: tonight we talk to the former head of the fda. dr. scott gottlieb.the new book "uncontrolled spread" why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic. dr. gottlieb, thanks for being with us. >> thanks a lot. >> bret: when is this thing going to be over? do we know? >> yeah, i think this delta wave of infection is the last major wave of infection we are going to see here in the united states. on the back end of it i think we will enter more endemic phase of this illness pervasive and okay miss present not huge surge like we have seen offer the last year and a half. new mutation partially escape our vaccine and hopefully keep up with it and this will be the last major surge of infection we will have to deal with. >> bret: do you think, knowing what you know, and in this book it goes into a lot of details about the beginning until we are where we are now, that mandates on vaccines are effective? >> can mandates help us achieve higher levels of vaccination and will that make us more impervious to this wave of infections in the answer is ye

scott gottlieb. plus a closer look at disinformation, misinformation, and their threat to democracy. house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff's new book is "midnight in washington." and fiona hill has just written, "there is nothing for you here." rounding out conversations, analyst chris krebs. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪♪ >> brennan: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." after last week's disappointing jobs report and the latest round of budget battles on capitol hill, we are reminded yet again that covid continues to be the biggest drag on our economic recovery. we begin with cbs news senior national correspondent mark strassmann in atlanta this morning. >> hey, can you watch your language. (bleep). >> reporter: more than a moment, short of a disorder, covid america has functioning anxiety, day after day, living with this lingering virus. [yelling] >> reporter: upset, uncertain, on edge, frustrated other people who ironically feel the same way won't come to sees

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scott gottlieb on the show not long ago, and he felt that the u.s.olved with the9 pandemic threat. there's concern that if they did so, anyone in a white coat overseas would be seen as a cia agent. how do we handle that? did you agree with the basic premise that maybe some arms of the military should help out with the pandemic threat? >> i think the intelligence community is charged with the defense of the nation, and it didn't say against certain threats, it's really against all external threats. so i am sympathetic to what dr. gottlieb is saying, that we should take every element of national power to try to understand threats coming at us and do something about them. however, my background in counterterrorism does say that if you ever put someone from the media or someone from a nonprofit or in the medical world this a position where they're also acting as an intelligence operative, every other hebb of those elements -- member of those elements gets painted in the minds of your opposition with that. so every media, every doctor and all is immediate

scott gottlieb, he's fellow at the american enterprise institute and serves on the board of pfizer.uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." scott, nice to see you again. thanks for coming in. let me ask, you know, you've got the -- you said the virus crushed us. okay. the implication is we made a lot of mistakes. what are the one or two things, decisions that had we to do it over again early in the pandemic, we would have made that would have made a difference? >> i think early on we didn't recognize that we didn't have an organization capable of mounting the type of logistical response to respond appropriately. we 'twas trusted the -- we trusted the cdc, and it just wasn't within the capacity of the ethos of that organization, the retrospective organization doing very high science work, has a backward-looking mindset. it can't surface information and do analytical work in the setting of a rye sis and try to get the -- crisis to make realtime decisions and couldn't mount the kind of logistical response. they couldn't develop and deploy a

scott gottlieb. it is all ahead on "face the nation." ♪♪ >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." these are interesting times here in washington. we're used to the political battles being back and forth between republicans and democrats, but today we find ourselves in an increasingly polarized debate between democrats. the factions in the party, the progressives and liberals, and the moderates. we do begin today with a key progressive, new york representative alexandria ocasio-cortez. congresswoman, it is great to have you here in studio. >> great to be here. thank you. >> brennan: so you have this standoff right now. how real is the risk that the democrats end up with nothing? >> you know, i know that -- you know, i believe that the entire party is committed in delivering for this country. and i know that our caucus, the house democratic caucus, is entirely focused on delivering for this country. but i think the question that we're having right now, and the reason why we are havin

gottlieb's tweets. he wrote, this is not a cause for immediate concern but a reminder we need robust systems to identify, characterize new sraeurpts. this needs to be a coordinated, global priority for covid same as similar international efforts have become standard practice in influenza. there are lots of reasons why cases could be rising in the uk, including rules they have, their mask rules have become much more lax. brianna. . >> we also of course will want to know which are breakthrough cases so people have more protection because they are vaccinated as well. elizabeth, thank you. >> the author of the steele dossier on russia speaking out for the first time. a fascinating, twisting, bizarre interview. why he is confident the russians have dirt on donald trump. >> the former president questions answers today under oath. the first time he has done this in about five years. how do you get the truth from someone known to lie? >>> ugly, ugly, ugly on the field. this is the end of the tennessee/ole miss

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gottlieb, thanks for being with us.his antiviral pill from -- from merck, how s significant is this? >> very significant. this is the most impactful result that i remember seeing of an orally available drug in the treatment of a respiratory pathogen perhaps ever. um, i think getting an oral pill that can inhibit viral replication, that can inhibit this virus is going to be a real game-changer. this drug works by mechanisms that are well understood as other drugs on the market that work by similar mechanisms. basically, it works by in -- inducing errors in how this virus replicates. so as the virus replicates, it makes mistakes in replication and it basically kills the virus. so these are targets. this virus is well understood and the mechanisms by which it replicates are well understood so i think we will get an oral drug that can inhibit -- inhibit viral replication and be taken early in the course of disease to either prevent progression or be used as a prophylaxis. >> so, let's be -- just drill down that a little bit

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wlst last hour, scott gottlieb said it would be a game-changer. i wasn't reading closely enough.was vaccine in a pill form. anybody that was sick with covid, could potentially take this and how effective would it be? we have to be getting clarify on who would benefit from this. the people that have the breakthrough infections, that are sick, they could benefit from this. they weren't part of the initial trial. but i think -- let me show you the data on this. this is the trial. it was -- you split the two groups, 385 were given the drug. 28 were hospitalized. and in the placebo group, 377, 45 were hospitalized. eight died. that's 14% to 15%. that's where the 50% benefit comes from. that's where they calculate that. it is a treatment, as opposed to a preventative. these are people that have covid. while it seems to be an effective treatment, as i showed you, there's still -- a lot that we don't know about this virus. people are going to say, hey, now that this exists, should it make the vaccine less important? no. you still don't want this disease. we don't know what it does to the

scott gottlieb, a former contributor and serves on the boards of pfizer and illumina.st couple of days, we've had a few setbacks yesterday the covid pill we were hoping to be approve, didn't meet its own internal trials standards that it had been setting. today these concerns about whether or not novo vax can actually mass produce a vaccine that had very strong results what would you say right now this the a setback >> the data was right, the challenges seem to be related to manufacturing. i don't have insight into the problems beyond what i read in the news reports i think this pushes back to operation warp speed and some lessons we should learn. early on, we should have tried to scale the manufacturing processes that hadn't done it before there was a big effort to assist moderna, that was very successful but i didn't see a similar effort to assist novo vax. early on you could have partners well this with him gen that 45d experience scaling the biotech pro process. that's the drill process, that's what operation warp speed was set up to do the same with therapeutics w

gottlieb is right, but i'm not as confident. and here's why.ty that we only have half the country still unvaccinated. there are still a lot of unvaccinated individuals. i'm watching what's happening in the northern border of the country around canada, and i am worried about another big, big fall surge. i think there is just too many people unvaccinated in this country to feel at all comfortable. so now is to push -- >> previous infections helping with this? i've heard it said, you can't ignore the people with previous infections. how does that factor in? >> if you look at people with previous infection, some have strong, durable immunity, but some do not. if you look at the neutralizing antibodies among those infected and recovered, some look really great. others barely respond at all and are highly susceptible to infections. you also get something where you're really resilient for the variant. if you're recovered, you don't really know if you're protected against the delta surge, and getting vaccinated will certainly guarantee that. >> just to

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scott gottlieb said the mandates have been working so far with vaccination rates going up.hile he believes the government has every right to implement these mandates, gottlieb said it's another story when it comes to small businesses. >> i think the federal government is well within their prerogative to mandate vaccination for the federal work force. that is an issue of federal readiness. i think we should be mandating vaccination among other groups like the elderly. i think we should try to work with medicare programs to try to get medicare providers and health plans to get higher vaccination rates in the older population. that's where we can make a real difference. i think mandating vaccine among health care workers also makes a lot of sense because it's a function of protecting the people that they're caring for. i think where this gets touchy is when you mandate vaccination for private businesses down to the level of 100 employees. that's where you're going to get resistance, you're going to get lawsuits and you're going to turn this into more of a political issue. ther

gottlieb and other health officials are stressing an antiviral pill is not an alternative to getting the vaccine. cnn's polo sandoval joining me now from new york, what more are you learning. >> with over 700,000 deaths reported now, that means the u.s. continues to unfortunately be number one in terms of covid deaths so there certainly is a lot of hopeful optimism about this medication when and if it is approved. now, governors across the country are reporting numbers here, decreases in hospitalizations and new infections as well. we continue to hear from health officials, the best tool in trying to make sure the numbers don't keep ticking up is getting vaccinated. >> as early as next fall, california students will be required to be covid-19 vaccinated. governor newsom is the first in the nation to add a covid vaccination to the first in the nation. >> get this behind us, get this economy moving again, make sure our kids never have to get call saying they can't go to school because one of the kids or staff member tested positive. >> reporter: the governor expects new requirements wi

gottlieb, it is graining prevalence slowly in the u.k.dence that it is more transmissable but he's trying attention to this because we have the tools in place to characterize these new variants, there needs to be a global robust effort to do just that, to do it quickly so that we could try and keep up with this virus that is throwing so many cu curveballs. >> and this does get a new variant every time. >> yes. >> thank you. >>> donald trump is being questioned on camera today in new york. this is part of a 2015 assault case at trump tower. new details on his deposition, next. >>> and there is a lot going on today. here is what to watch. as a dj, i know all about customization. that's why i love liberty mutual. they customize my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. how about a throwback? you got it. ♪ liberty, liberty - liberty, liberty ♪ uh, i'll settle for something i can dance to. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ ♪ ♪ only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪ (birds chirping) ♪ (upbeat music) ♪ (ph

scott gottlieb, former head of the fda, calls this a potential game-changer in the fight against the coronavirus, simply because if you consider the potential benefits of this drug, dr. gottlieb is saying that it would potentially be effective not just for those who have been fully vaccinated and have experienced breakthrough cases, but also for americans who refuse to get vaccinated. all of that being said, experts across the board are still telling us that if approved, this would still not be a substitute for a vaccine. as early as next fall, california students will be required to be covid-19 vaccinated, says the state's governor. gavin newsom made the announcement friday saying his state is the first in the nation to add a covid vaccine to the list of inoculations required for in-person learning. >> i want to make sure our kids never have to worry about getting a call saying they can't go to school the next day because one of the kids or a staff member tested positive. >> reporter: he says it will be phased in by groups, 7-12 and k-6 after the fda approves the vaccine. parents wa

scott gottlieb about it and we'll talk to dr. christiana bardon, who was a speaker at some of our conferences. and m.i.t. undergrad, so get ready. i'm going to talk to her about which department -- she has a masters and bachelors there. then a harvard m.d. suma cum laude. and so she's heading up a big company that does this, she knows about this stuff too we're talking about. but what i was saying that i was getting to was who slowed merck's covid remedy this is really interesting there was a whistle-blower that got the fullbacking of a lot of people who now have egg on their face rick bright at the bio medical advanced research authority and they said this was rushed through by the trump administration because of a relationship they had with a guy at emery remember we heard about ridgeback down at emory university they were accusing this of being for profit my favorite line is from senator elizabeth warren who treated in may, the trump administration ignored warnings from dr. rick bright and fired him after he wouldn't go along

gottlieb said it is not a major immediate concern and this is around since july and 8% of cases so itng on like wildfire. it is obviously important to note the way cases are picking up in uk an and analysis over the weekend described uk to continental europe embraced large gatherings more at sports events, cinemas than european and might be the discussion point and the uk got people vaccinated quicker and then the debate about lag times for the effect effectiveness wears off. >> yeah. those are all extremely good points and the things that epidemiologists have to try to tease apart and virologists. is it driven by behavior or the variant? i think what dr. gottlieb is calling for is attention and work to tease the pieces out and from what i understand the work is going on. >> meg, thank you so much, as always. >>> analyst has a curtain raiser on the biggest internet companies. find out which of the names made the cut to his buy list. heading do break a check on bo bonds. the short end of the curve that continues to see significant increases in terms of yield. >>> 30 minutes left to go.

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gottlieb's word. >> i agree >> i agree and i don't have a medical background i don't know if you know that about me dr. brown's is a cream soda. >> which i like. black cherry, my favorite. >> fine. now i'm thinking about katz's deli you distracted my whole spiel. the delta variant of the virus peaked two months ago and we are two months behind them and it's the same playbook. we know that we're not out of the woods with the virus, but what we also know is the fed is out of excuses to start removing stimulus a little bit at a time, obviously. we look at the inflation data and it's a 30-year high with cpi and we know this the market is reacting very well to that. that is a very, very good sign the market is no longer panicking over this idea of coming out of emergency stimulus and all of those stocks i just ran down for you, that is what we want to see that price action to me is very bullish and we're getting that spirituality we need back. we believe in the recovery and the stocks are signaling that. >> the biggest issue, though of what you said, i think it was yesterday when you were

gottlieb, mask requirements are still prevalent in parts of the u.s., regardless of vaccination status. as cases continue to decline, when can those masking rules be lifted >> look, i think this is going to be a local decision based on what local prevalence is we're seeing cases overall nationally decline but i think that's masking what is really going on nationally. we've seen sharp declines in the south where delta largely run its course so cases are coming down sharply in populous states like texas and florida, but you're seeing pretty dense epidemics in the midwest and plain states and the northwest have not had the delta wave yet i think there's presumption the high rate of infection will create a wall of immunity to prevent delta from getting in the part of the country the way it's affected other parts but i think there's a delta variant that will sweep the northwest and northeast, not nearly as dense as the south, but we're probably still in store for more spread in certain parts of the country right now where prevalence is low enough that they can make decisions to suspend mask

scott gottlieb. he ran the food and drug administration from 2017 to 2019. and he joins me now.y much for being here. there are so many elements that you recap in this book-- china secrecy, our fixation on focusing on the flu rather than a coronavirus, failures of our stockpile, multiple myriad mistakes made by different agencies. but, one of the failures that you keep hammering over and over again was our recurrent inability to do widespread testing. can you remind us why testing is so important in the middle of a pandemic? >> well, testing was important, particularly in this pandemic, because you had a virus that had a long incubation period, meaning that people could get exposed to the virus and get sick a long interval after that exposure. so, there was an opportunity to test them and find that they were incubating the virus and get them isolated. and also, people spread the virus when they were asymptomatic, and some people who went on to spread the virus never developed symptoms. so, testing would be a very important tool in trying to control spread under that circumstance

scott gottlieb. we appreciate your time. we heard from gabe gutierrez there reporting.eve that we're seeing the start to the end of this nearly two-year pandemic? and what would it mean to transition to an endemic? >> i think there's a high like lie hood this delta wave of infection is the last major surge, barring something unexpected where we get a new variant that pierces the immunity we've acquired through vaccination and prior infection. on the back end of this delta wave you'll have a more endemic virus that's a persistent threat but doesn't have the same high prevalence we're seeing with this delta wave. that said, while the national averages are coming down it looks like an improving picture across the country, it's being driven by the fact that you're seeing sharp declines in the south, and big states like texas and florida where there really was a raging epidemic but now you're seeing the delta wave move to other parts of the country like the west and the midwest and they're having outbreaks right now that are on par with what we saw in the south and it remain

gottlieb mentioned. we're not going to have this in our tool kit for a few months., there isn't a ton of supply. we're talking about maybe 2 million doses, advance allocated to the u.s. by the end of the year. that doesn't reach the 70 million americans who still need to be vaccinated. all these other alternatives are not nearly as effective as vaccinations. it might lead people to believe they have an insurance policy that frankly is not that effective relative to the vaccines. anybody who's had flu out there that's listening in, you might have heard of the drug tamiflu that if you get early diagnosed with flu-like symptoms, mild to moderate flu-like symptoms, within the first 48 hours of development we can give you tamiflu and there's a 40 to 50% chance that you'll stay out of the hospital if you have a high risk medical situation. this is virtually the same type of framework. we'll give you this drug if you have early mild to moderate symptoms. maybe this will keep you out of the hospital to the tune of 50% reduced risk. so nothing like the vaccines which are 90

scott gottlieb, has predicted and he is a pfizer board member , we may not see that until well into 2022. perhaps within the first quarter of the new year you could get your young children, i count myself as a parent of a three-year-old and a six-month- old, those young children, toddlers and preschoolers will not have the protection of a vaccine for some time. that is one of the last legs of the population that remains unprotected. so we will talk about what to do if you are the parent of a young child and what to do if an elementary school kids in the five to 11-year-old range does want to go get a vaccine. what questions do you need to ask your pediatrician? we will have a pediatrician joins us from children's national hospital and she participated in the vaccine trial. she should have firsthand knowledge to share with us. >> watch face the nation sunday mornings at 8:30 right here. not und like a good thing but s one bay area county did it on purpose. it is part of the restoration of the pacheco marsh and the lower walnut creek watershed . jocelyn moran takes us there. >> reporter: t

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and it's of such concern that one of the former heads of the fda, scott gottlieb, wrote today, "we need urgent research to figure out if this delta-plus is more transmissible." david? >> matt, thank you. >>> we turn next here this evening to china. that country denying reports tonight that they have tested a nuclear-capable hypersonic missile. how would you track it if it was carrying a nuclear weapon? and was u.s. intelligence caught offguard? here's our foreign correspondent james longman now. >> reporter: china denying reports it test-fired a hypersonic missile, technology that would allow it to fire a nuclear warhead faster than anyone else. britain's "financial times" saying beijing test-launched the weapon this summer, sending it into space and around the planet before it landed just 25 miles away from its intended target. hypersonic glide weapons can fly five times the speed of sound and lower than conventional weapons. >> the u.s. does not currently have the ability to even track this weapon, much less defeat it. it will give the chinese the ability to conduct a nuclear strike a

gottlieb speak about this becoming an andemic as as opposed to a pandemic we have the flu.e have to get used to this. our view as people get used to it and figure out how to deal with it, whether we have booster shots or not we do think people will get back to the office an traveling we are already seeing that we see 2 million people a day generally traveling, which is pretty close to a tuesday, wednesday, what we would have seen prepandemic in january. i think as we think about 2022 we'll have a pretty strong summer months across the atlantic near international will continue to be strong domestic as well business comes back. by the summer, 80% is prepandemic. by 2023, we'll be back to whatever our next normal will be >> we've been showing viewers out there. a lot of the charts domestically and internationally focused. given the set ups in the market. is it better to pivot towards domestic focus or ones with more leverage in international and business travel? >> yes exactly. we were thinking business travel like allegiant, alaska air, spirit we were thinking that for 2021 a