gruber. lawmakers are going to put them together and dig down on some of those comments he made about the lack of transparency as it relates to laying out obamacare. the stupidity of the american voters and he believed many law makers did not know what was in balk care or understand the financing of it, then you will have tavenner at a time when many democrats are trying to flee from jonathon gruber's comments you will have her trying to get away from him and try to put some distance. but they will be right next to each other and the questioning will begin in 30 minutes. martha: there are so many layers to all of this. bill: who is gruber snow had quite a career dealing with healthcare reform. from 2003-2006 he was a key architect in designing the massachusetts healthcare law which became the model for obamacare later. in 2008 he was brought into advise the obama white house and was brought in as a technical con sit and the to help craft the law. he visited the white house 19 times. this late

gruber? >> there are some taxes and obamacare. >> a present argued obamacare was not a tax before it went to the u.s. supreme court as to whether or not obamacare what's tax than the administration argued that it is a tax to build us a bit from it being declared unconstitutional. i would assume you agree agree that obamacare's provisions include taxes, right? >> the u.s. supreme court ruled on a particular provision of obamacare. >> you do not disagree with them that they are elements of obamacare that constitute a tax? >> i don't agree with their conclusion about the mandate. >> different than what you said that these hearings but not a question for you that i would like you to think back. this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure cbo did not score the individual mandate as taxes. did you ever speak to anyone in the administration to acknowledge that you were explained that to you or who assigned a problem with the construct that we have to draft this in a way so we make sure cbo

gruber concerning tax credits. dr. gruber, at a conference in 2012 you said, quote f you're a state and you don't set up an exchange, that means your citizens don't get their tax credits, end quote. that seemed it was consistent with other public statements you made, all of which expressed your belief that if a state refused to set up an obamacare exchange, the citizens of that state could not qualify for obamacare tax credits. yet, the administration has ordered the distribution of billions of dollars to persons who live in states that don't have state-run obamacare exchanges. this executive action seems to conflict with your numerous past statements about how obamacare works. there's a lawsuit before the supreme court on this issue. in your testimony this morning, you claimed that you misspoke repeatedly in your prior public statements. you say that, quote, the point i believe i was making was about the possibility that the federal government, for whatever reerngs might not create a federal exchange, end quote. you f

gruber. mr. cummings. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. before i began i know today is your last hearing. and as chairman of the oversight committee, i want to thank you. as you said a few moments ago, we have taken this journey together. and it has been a great journey. i said during your harnking of your portrait right there -- >> thank you for saying i was hung. >> that i believe that everybody who comes along your path comes along your path to make your better. and i will tell you, mr. chairman, you've made me a better person in so many, many ways. i want to thank you. i want to thank you for your service. i want to thank you for your dedication. i want to thank you for taking the time to get to understand these issues in a very, very intricate way. a lot of people have not been in the many meetings we sat in, i don't know how you do it but you seem to be an expert on so many, many things. and i know it is because it is your passion. and so i thank you. in a way i wish we had last wee

gruber? >> there are some taxes and obamacare. >> a present argued obamacare was not a tax before it went to the u.s. supreme court as to whether or not obamacare what's tax than the administration argued that it is a tax to build us a bit from it being declared unconstitutional. i would assume you agree agree that obamacare's provisions include taxes, right? >> the u.s. supreme court ruled on a particular provision of obamacare. >> you do not disagree with them that they are elements of obamacare that constitute a tax? >> i don't agree with their conclusion about the mandate. >> different than what you said that these hearings but not a question for you that i would like you to think back. this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure cbo did not score the individual mandate as taxes. did you ever speak to anyone in the administration to acknowledge that you were explained that to you or who assigned a problem with the construct that we have to draft this in a way so we make sure cbo

gruber. ever since he stated and started telling the truth about the tactics used to pass this law. in fact, the center for medicare and medicaid services urged the committee not to seat him with the administrator next to him. dr. gruber, we think you are right to be there. in fact, we believe that this is a perfect pairing. a pairing of individuals who are, in fact, responsible for what we know and don't know before, during and after the passage and implementation of the affordable care act. september 18, 2014, the administrator came before us and testified that, in fact, there were 7.3 million people enrolled in the -- and i quote this carefully, health insurance marketplace coverage. that tore toured language had not previously been used. and it followed a series of document requests after we were told trust us the numbers are good in which we discovered that, in fact, 7.3 million would have to include a fairly large 400,000 individuals in more or less $50 dental plans. obviously when you

gruber. i mean conjecture is i believe it may have been, someone may have been thinking, perhaps they were, perhaps it was. this is your straight-up statements. these are not conjecture. is it your purpose today to recant obamacare as a tax? >> it is my purpose today to come forward and elaborate and straighten out the interpretation of the series of comments that i made and to apologize -- >> excellent, let's do that then. let's clarify it. mr. gruber, you made these statements, did you not? >> if -- i don't recall exactly. >> you don't recall. one of them we actually saw on video. do you recall that one? >> yeah. >> right. ok. well these statements, we'll enter them for the record, and i can't imagine how you don't recall your own statements, because the american voter has seen them over and over again as you've called them stupid. do you deny making these statements mr. gruber even though you don't recall them? do you deny calling obamacare a tax? >> if you're reading my actual quotes, the

gruber said it. he said it and repeatedly that if you, states, don't set up your exchange, your citizens won't get the tax credits so, you know, he is basically saying today, i didn't mean to say that. he's dialling back on it. he's essentially saying in his testimony today, an alternative universe, what i was thinking about is maybe the federal government won't set up exchanges so you have to get your tax credits. it's completely misleading what he was saying today. >> if you compare what he said with the mechanisms in place in the bill, they all match completely. he's not just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what's going to stick. he knew completely that, you know, you can get the individual mandate if you -- if states don't set up their own exchanges because that means people aren't going to get subsidized and he knew how the law was written there. it's not a typo. it's intentional. >> it is totally intentional. here is the thing and you made this point at the break. he charges money for tha

gruber? >> there are some taxes in obamacare, yes. >> well the president, as you know, argued that obamacare was not a tax. you were trying to say, i think, is that the bill is convoluted, you agree it's a very confusing statute. >> call it the stupidity of the american voter but basically that was really critical to getting this thing to pass. >> clever basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the american voter. >> when did you realize that these comments are indefensible and inappropriate? >> i honestly didn't remember making them. >> you didn't remember calling your fellow citizens stupid and you didn't remember saying that you are the only person who cares about uninsured that the fellow citizens don't give a damn about the uninsured? you don't remember saying that. >> i don't. because they were glib and thoughtless comments that i made. >> the so-called glibness that has been referenced today, have direct consequences for real american people. so get over your damn --

let's talk about gruber.sure you were watching the testimony this morning. >> he has been lawyered up. very cautious in his responses. the problem is he said it multiple times. i think you will hear a lot of efforts to try to get him to explain his thinking. if he becomes defiant. if he becomes the gruber that we saw, i think that that will be an interesting moment. >> he is already kind of contradicting himself. he did apologize. he did say i am not a politician. he said no one ever questioned my motto before. that might be the breaking point for him. >> yes. that is true. the number we have is roughly $400,000 from the feds. millions from states implementing exchanges. >> we have peter barnes in d.c. with the cia torture report. 6800 page report. a condensed report of it. >> i am trying to download it. it is so big. these techniques failed to produce life-saving techniques. these techniques help lead to the killing of osama bin laden. not any new information. releasing their own study as well today. i just

gruber's statements. they were irresponsible, incredibly disrespectful and did not reflect reality, and they were, indeed, insulting. >> reporter: gruber says he is not the architect of obamacare, and he apologized for inexcusable arrogance. shannon? shannon: mike emanuel live on the hill, thank you, mike. >> reporter: sure. shannon: by the way, we want to dip into that hearing, listen in a bit as obamacare adviser, though not architect, jonathan gruber is being questioned by democrat congressman lynch out of massachusetts. let's listen in a bit. >> they're walking away, and how do we help these employees? because now they're being told go to the exchange, we don't do that anymore. we're out of the health care business. how do we help those folks? >> well, congressman lynch, i'm not an expert on collective bargaining agreements -- >> i guess. >> what i can say is that the way the cadillac tax was designed, there's no reason that these employers can't provide affordable and comprehensive insurance under th

. >> we begin with gruber? gruber who?dd kathleen sebelius to growing list of administration officials distancing themselves from obamacare architect jonathan gruber. sebelius who was the making first remarks since gruber came under fire saying stupidity of the american voter helped get obamacare passed. sebelius, calling gruber's remarks ludicrous. she never met with the mit economist. to she concedes he could have been seated in a room with a bunch of people, sebelius disputes any motion that gruber is the architect of obamacare. listen. >> dr. gruber i think could be regard the as the architect of romneycare but he was a consultant, one of many on the issues around how to frame the subsidies. he was not an author of the bill itself. he didn't influence the members of congress who actually wrote the legislation. and i think that, you know, he is making some headlines which is unfortunate. >> sebelius's remarks come as gruber is once again making headlines over comments he made in 2012 when he described what it would take

gruber was paid? seems like a simple request, sir. after words got him into trouble, tonight gruber is done talking. kelly o'donnell, nbc news, the capitol. >>> still ahead for us tonight, an intense standoff caught on video. police make a dramatic takedown face-to-face with a knife-wielding attacker. >>> also, see if your least favorite is on the list just out of the worst types of passengers to sit next to on a plane. >>> we're back tonight with a frightening scene that played out early today in the basement of a synagogue here in new york city. a dramatic confrontation caught on camera between police officers and an armed attacker refusing to give himself up. we get the story tonight from nbc's stephanie gosk. >> reporter: the video begins in the middle of a standoff in a brooklyn synagogue. by this point, 49-year-old calvin peters has already allegedly stabbed a young student, 22-year-old levi rosenblat, the nine-inch knife still in peters' hands. >> he's brandishing a weapon in front of the officer and has already used that weapo

aka jonathan gruber, mr.s who thinks the rest of us are dummies getting not only grilled but ripped apart by lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. gruber desperately trying to apologize. lawmakers not seeming to buy what he is selling. >> i'm extremely frustrated with dr. gruber's statement for stupid. i mean absolutely stupid

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gruber? >> i don't understand the question. >> that's a lot of stupid quotes you said. that is the trend. >> a lot of inexcusable quotes. >> right. again, your defense is that you are not a politician. what is a a non- politician to do talking about political events? >> tried to make himself seem smarter by conjecturing >> so you are a professor at mit and you're worried about not looking smart enough? >> yes. >> well, you succeeded if that was your goal. i want to ask you, you, are you sorry to five when did you realize that these comments were inappropriate? because it took you about a year to apologize. i'm i'm trying to figure out if you realize sooner or was it just the morning before you went on msnbc? when did you realize that these comments are indefensible and inappropriate? >> i honestly did not remember making them. >> you did not remember calling your fellow citizens stupid, and you did not remember saying that you are the only person who cares about the uninsured and the rest of

gruber was paid? seems like a simple request, sir. after words got him into trouble, tonight gruber is done talking. kelly o'donnell, nbc news, the capit capitol. >>> still ahead for us tonight, an intense standoff caught on video. police make a dramatic takedown face-to-face with a knife-wielding attacker. >>> also, see if your least favorite is on the list. just out of the worst types of passengers to sit next to on a plane. ♪soft holiday music ]♪ can you help me up? [ snow intensifies ] [ sleighbells ring in the distance ] aleve. all day pain relief with just 2 pills. get back to being you. ...and tkind of like you huffing sometimes, grandpa. well, when you have copd, it can be hard to breathe. it can be hard to get air out, which can make it hard to get air in. so i talked to my doctor. she said.. doctor: symbicort could help you breathe better, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. symbicort helps provide significant improvement of your lung function. symbicort is for copd, inc

aka jonathan gruber, mr.thinks the rest of us are dummies getting not only grilled but ripped apart by lawmakers on both sides of the aisle. gruber desperately trying to apologize. lawmakers not seeming to buy what he is selling. >> i'm extremely frustrated with dr. gruber's statement for stupid. i mean absolutely stupid mm

today, gruber appeared before congress and wyatt andrews has that. >> reporter: i'd like to begin byogizing sincerely -- >> reporter: m.i.t. professor jonathan gruber repeatedly said r was sorry for what he called thoughtless and insulting comments, including this one last year when he said obamacare was hidden to hide taxes from voters who weren't smart enough to grasp the details. >> lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. and basically, you know, call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever, but basically, that was really critical to getting it to pass. i made uninformed and glib comments. >> reporter: gruber said in several speeches he pretended to be more of a political insider than he was at the time. >> it's never appropriate to make oneself smarter by demeaning others. >> reporter: but republicans weren't buying that gruber was out of the loop. they noted he made 21 trips to the white house and earned almost $400,000 as an administration consultant. congressman trey gowdy cited several different gruber comments on the ways voters had ten misled. >> all

gruber. ph.d. from m.i.t., correct? >> no my ph.d.ard university. >> harvard, another prestigious school as well. >> and you teach at m.i.t. >> yes, i do. >> very prestigious school. >> myself, i graduated from a small college, my dad was a factory worker, i had to work my way through college but i understand very prestigious and congratulations. but i want to go back, earlier, there was some people on the -- you as well as members of congress, stating that this was very transparent. and yet, from the very beginning, if i remember correctly, a lady got up on the floor of congress and said you've got to pass it before you can see what's in it. do you remember who that was? >> i believe that's a quote. it should be nancy pelosi. >> correct, thank you. >> and yet, it was 2700 pages, original act, and if you read that 2700 pages you're going to see a lot that says to be determined. in that bill. so the bill wasn't really complete. so how can you have a bill, pass a bill, before you can see what's in it? and call that transparent? because

i for one prefer the gruber when he thinks he's offcamera than when he's on camera. thanks for joining us. chris hayes is up next. "hardball" starts right now. >>> nasty business. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ >>> good evening i'm chris matthews in washington. tonight the big debate here, should america torture? a new report from the u.s. senate intelligence committee states this country engaged in harsh interrogation techniques including waterboarding, threats of death, stress positions, and long-term sleep deprivation. they were employed beginning in the year 2002 following the attacks on the world trade center and the pentagon. the debate centers on three key questions. one, is it moral to torture? two, does it work? will we get vital information we can't get another way? three, should we be publicizing the fact that we tortured suspected terrorist? should we be putting out there what we're doing. richard engel, evan coleman and david ignatius join us. what do you make of this whole report? what do you make of this report today? is it good for america to have this ou

gruber? >> there are some taxes in obama care, yes. >> mike turner, a republican on the house oversight committee. why is it so tough to get people to just answer the questions plain and simple? did you get a satisfactory answer about the tax from jonathan gruber? >> not really. what jonathan gruber is saying which we all now know and suspected that the administration intentionally deceived the american public. we saw this when the president was arguing it wasn't a tax. he said this was a tax, and we didn't tell the american voter, the american public, because it would have been objectionable and we drafted the legislation so we could avoid a cbo scoring, and the thing that he wouldn't tell us is, okay, who told you that? who did you sit with in the administration and who had that discussion with about how they would set about deceiving the american public? certainly it's objectionable. >> that is incredibly important piece of administration. listen to this. >> did they have the conversation

by jonathon gruber's own words.e was paid millions of dollars in taxpayer money to build obamacare and push it through. so that's not going to go well for him. it will give republicans a lot of power when it comes to january and what they will do when it comes to repealing certain parts of obamacare. bill: mary anne. what do you believe the state of obamacare after this public hearing? >> i think if this is about going after the facts, let the chips fall where they may. if this is a witch hunt then it's going to being a long, tough two years for the country. the republicans have a chance tomorrow to show whether they are going to go after the facts, whether it's on enrollment. try to go after obamacare where it will be tough where in kit' a popular program. or are they going to have a side show? bill: it will be fascinating to watch. the stupidity of the american voter. you play the clip, you ask him the question, do you think we are side. these questions will go on and on. bill: we'll be watching it tomorrow at thi

gruber has b for controversial remarks including calling americans stupid. jackie and john, welcome to both of you. jackie, to you first. what is at stake in these hearings? >> you know, i think the hearings might be more feeder than substance. we have the commend of this congress coming soon and provided johnathon gruber doesn't say anything outrageous as the law makers question him, i think republicans would be yelling at him. but i don't know much will come out of this. i think the supreme court's decision on whether or not subsidies can go to states without exchanges, that will have a lasting impact on the law than anything the committee can do. >> john, he's on tape talking about that. you know, if the 37 states that don't have their own exchanges and rely on the federal government, the federal exchange, that if, if that is not approved by the supreme court, then the whole thing blows up? >> i think that is the most damaging quote he has made. the courts are not supposed to decide the case but on the law. the political debate can affect how courts make

basically to gruber the obama administration. >> to gruber is now a verb. >> it should be. >> and i'm stupid t-shirts were all over outthere this morning. some reacting with panic saying you're unwinding all the progress, nobody is talking about all the progress, 10 million people now have health care, there is no debt spiral, more insurers are joining, health cost costs are growing slower than at any time in 50 years. >> i don't think you can gruber the aca here. look they can have their repeal votes in the house and senate and guess what the president is not going to sign it and in another couple years will you see that many million more signed up, then what will they say. >> was there sadness that this is daryl chairing the last committee. >> i'm excited. i enjoyed him over the year but i ecnjoyed the clip of him bein hung. >> thanks dana. >> thanks alex. >> coming up whethn can a compa force you to stay after work and not pay you, that's next. ket ri? i have $40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you st

. >> this is about jonathan gruber. the headline is, did gruber earn almost $400,000 from the obama administration? before we talk about this -- and this was done november 14 if i am reading this correctly. here is what i want you to see the testimony of jonathan gruber after you had done all of this at the hearing on the house side. >> i think i have a question for mr. gruber. >> i was informed that i should report all federal moneys received for the previous fiscal years and this fiscal year. i received no federal -- >> i don't care what you informed. how much did taxpayers, state or federal, pay you to have you lie to them cap?? >> total? >> this has been a five-year ordeal. >> i do not recall the total. >> he never did answer the question. on the advice of his attorneys apparently. >> you found two point $2 million that he has earned from the feds and from the state? how did you do this? >> a lot of the contracts are publicly available. publicly available for review. >> shouldn't they all be? >> presumably. it was e

i want you to hear what former secretary sebelius said about jonathan gruber.ten. >> i did not. i know our staff did and i think he met with sar yovarious advist i didn't meet with jonathan gruber? >> ever? >> well, he may have been in a large room but as far as discussing policies, that never happened. >> i looked at the filings in the supreme court and even gruber's name appears in the filings. but according to kathleen sebelius, it's jonathan who? >> he may have been in a large room qualification is suggestive of the administration but plays to the broader angle that they are trying to distance themselves from him. they are playing him down even though not only his consulting fee but state consulting fees for the health care law represent that he played a bigger role than perhaps he's being made out to play. again, i think the administration's difficulty is that, you know, the more they run away from him, the more incentive that provides republicans to pick out forensic pieces of information. more will come out, more speech also probably come out and at the

let me say that jonathan gruber is a distraction. he's a stand in for the culprit, barack obama, the orders to lie about this health care law, the orders to make lying the strategy to sell this health care law came from the top. neil: how do you know that? >> even before the president took office, remember when he was a candidate, bark barack obama, he lied and said, unlike my competitors i will not force americans to buy health insurance. of course, that's what obamacare does. neil: do you take that everywhere you go? >> he have where. since gruber has been discredited, the administration has continued to lie. last week, they issued two brand news reports. one claiming that obamacare was slowing the rate of increases. the other that obamacare was making hospitals safer. but the data in both of these reports are bogus and easily disproved. neil: let me ask you about that. i don't want to get too in the weeds. you're a genius. if we did not have this law, premiums would be a lot higher than they they are. my premiums have rocketed wit

>> as mark pointed out john gruber -- christmas came early for republicans because john gruber is the gift that keeps giving. obamacare is increasingly toxic. one of the largest reasons republicans will hold a large majority in congress next year. >> will they repeal it. >> jonathan gruber is right it will take a republican in the white house to repeal obamacare. what republicans have signaled to do is look at repealing the medical device tax, employer mandate and taking away some of the key provisions of the law. >> are there democratic votes for that? >> gruber didn't say republicans would repeal it. he just said they will ignore the law. if that's your strategy. if that's sort of the horse you're trying to bet on for the 2016 presidential nomination we're running on a platform of ignorance. >> what he's doing is hurting the law itself, whether fairly or not, rightly or wrongly. >> he's pointing out the vulnerabilities in the law. >> you're selling something that was a dud. >> the fact that obamacare is incredibly unpopular even more unpopular today. >> nobody will get elected repub

gruber, that's really the issue here.obody cares about jonathan gruber, he's a now washed up m.i.t. professor who is never going to get a government contract again. we care about barack obama, the president of the united states, he went out there and said over and over that it is not a tax then sent his counsel to the supreme court to say that it was. i'd like to see barack obama come out and say i'm sorry for my glib comments. why doesn't he apologize to you. >> jonathan gruber says, i wasn't an architect of this law. i barely know this law. this law that i got paid all this money to consult on. >> the father of the individual mandate. >> the administration official was like, and i don't know him. he doesn't know the law and i don't know him. >> jonathan who? your name is? and you're with? thanks, megyn. >>> coming up, the member of a domestic terror group convicted for murder in a crime that left two cops and a security cop dead is now asking for mercy. she wants clemency. we'll show you who has a real problem with that

gruber's comments were very unfortunate. i think he could have said that this was a very complex law for the american people to understand. unfortunately, when i provide health care information for patients and my organization has me compile leaflets or brochures , i have to put it into a sixth grade reading level. there are actually computer programs that will take your words, such as "advancing something," and put it into a word that is "pushing forward." because a lot of people are not very educated in this country. i think that is all i have to say. the torilla in oregon. to talk about the politics of this, a few more comments from members of congress. this from outgoing senator tom harkin, democrat from iowa, as reported by "the hill" newspaper over the weekend. "we had the power to do it in a way that would have simplified health care, made it more efficient and made it less costly and we did not do it. so i look back and say we should not -- we should have done it the correct way or not at all. what we did is muddied

gruber's statement. they were irresponsible, incredibly disrespectful, and did not reflect reality.e opponents of the aca a pr gift. man, you did a great job, you wrapped it up with a bow. >> so well said. then came the thrashing from republicans. >> lies on top of lies, this is what you have done. you have been a co-conspirator in defrauding the american people and you admitted it in two videos and comments that i saw on tv. >> do you see a trend developing here, professor gruber? >> i don't understand the question. >> it's a lot of stupid quotes you've made. that's the trend. >> night before last i was at the kennedy center honors where they honored tom hanks. famously, "forrest gump," the ultimate in successful stupid man. are you stupid? >> i don't think so, no. >> did m.i.t. employ stupid people? >> not to my knowledge. >> the roundtable tonight is here. thank you all. here's what i think. i think elijah cummings is one of the smarter people in congress. has a wonderful manner. and issa, one of the dumbest. he should embrace the guy and say, thank you, you undermined obamacare,

gruber's statements. they were irresponsible.y disrespectful, did not reflect realty. >> you've been a co-conspirator in defrauding the american people and you admitted it. >> how many times since president obama took office did you go to the white house? >> i don't recall exactly. >> was it more than 20? >> no, it was not. >> i believe it was more than 20. >> the american taxpayer would like to know how much you paid them to deceive them and then got made fun of by the very dollars that they paid you to make fun of. they'd like to know that. how much were you paid? >> as i said, the committee can take that up with my counsel. >> what are you hiding? why are we not entitled to those? >> i'm not an expert on the rule of what's disclosed and what's not? >> lies on top of lies. >> are you stupid? >> i don't think so, no. >> you see a trend developing here, professor gruber? >> i don't understand the question. >> it's a lot of stupid quotes you've made. that's the trend. >> you made a series of troubling statements that were not only

they were insulting. >> so mark gruber goes to the hill. great for the freak show today.o you think this testimony has any long-term implications for the fate of obamacare? >> it will turn a lot of viewers against obamacare. [laughter] >> this has been a sideshow still a sideshow. it was great for those who liked theater. >> for if you wanted to learn how to apologize. very emphatic. >> there's a tongue coming up or obamacare. supreme court ruling. >> huge. >> you have the question of premium increases. a lot going on. gruber, great for whipping up the republican base, but no impact whatsoever. >> the new york times and others have written about what some of us are underestimating, the long-term effects of obamacare on the politics of the democratic party. on redistribution element. how it is fracturing the democratic coalition. but this has nothing to do with any of that. >> president obama, bad news for you. your approval rating is 39%, the lowest it has never been in our politics poll. in the very same poll, republicans are seen as more confrontational than democrats i

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this weekend, call gruber and try to associate them with romney. it's ridiculous. we haven't gotten answers on anything. >> why do you go to the african-american? >> because he spoke first. >> i like they call gruber ph.d., piled higher and deeper. listen, the torture stuff, i'm not for torture, so to speak. >> please. >> you don't have to be a panelist on the show. >> listening to you talk -- >> thank you. >> the torture stuff happened ten years ago, five years ago. the health care debach l is happening now. there's a debate whether torture worked or saved lives and whether it's torture. how bad can the feeding be? >> stop. i just mentioned it. you have to be consistent on transparency, right? when it comes to this, if you can make huge distinctions between the two. i'm saying, this is now incurrent and real health care debacle and the lives perpetrated. so, i think the american people do have a right to at least go back and revisit how that all unfolded. to say nothing of the supreme court. >> they have a right, but being a hypocrite is a requirement for being a

. >>> first jonathon gruber calls americans stupid. now kathleen sebelius is talking about the americans. >> a lot of people don't know what insurance is all about and if they have coverage, what it means, what a deductible is, what a copay is. how to choose the network. those are complicated terms. i think the financial literacy, particularly people who did not have insurance coverage or whose employers choose their conch and present it to them is very low. >> some say it's not our literacy. it's the law's lunacy. who is right? welcome to forbes on fox. let's go in focus to find out with steve forbes. "the soft edge" just picked as one of the top business books of the year. are we the problem, john, or is it the law? >> sebelius is 100% incorrect. if markets are smart, then the lecter rate come prices all known information. and the lect electorate is very once the law was rolled out, voters rebuked the democrats once again in 2014. voters like the markets ultimately reflect the truth and they're well awir of the damage that the politi

gruber for an m.i.t. professor struggled to answer questions about the economist of the bill. >> in the past. the administration knew that some people wouldn't be able to keep the plans, and said if all the states didn't set up exchanges, obama care would fail, and dozens of states haven't. very little of that was addressed, as you said. a lot of it was focussed on all torts of money. this all led democratic strategists to write that republicans blew the hearings by overly focussing not just on the economics, but on how much money gruber got paid and not on the bigger issues that might have been important in the obama care debate. >> republicans treated that as kingsley's definition of a gav. a gav is when a poll fish in washington accidently speaks the truth. that's what republicans say gruber did. he spoke the truth without them intending to. in the video tapes, it's like a nerd addressing the convention of nerds and talking about how cruel and potent he is for putting something over the american people

democrats say whatever gruber claimed in those speeches, obamacare was widely debated and republicans knew exactly how it was financed. wyatt andrews, cbs news, washington. >>> well, coming up on the "morning news." on the town. the duke and duchess of cambridge show their glamorous side as they wrap up their trip to new york. this is the "cbs morning news." we have the speed. we have the technology. and we have the team. we made over 15 billion successful deliveries last year. 15 billion! football has a season. baseball has a season. this is our season. [ female announcer ] aveeno® daily moisturizing lotion has active naturals® oat with five vital nutrients. [ aniston ] because beautiful skin goes with everything. aveeno®. naturally beautiful results™. aveeno®. up to 27% more brush movements. patented sonic technology with get healthier gums in two weeks. innovation and you philips sonicare save when you give philips sonicare this holiday season. moisture without it hair falling flat? introducing dove oxygen moisture. it provides oxygen fused moisture. the moisture your hair needs wi

about john gruber.this hearing allows americans to hear more. what they are hoping to do is not only to challenge don gruber and comments he has made, they want to take aim at the law itself. is the m.i.t. professor who was an adviser to the administration and to democrats in developing the affordable care act. the reason we are focused on him is because of comments he's made in public about the law. comments like this when that was just played in the hearing room. he spoke at a university of conference. >> lack of transparency is a political advantage. call it the stupidity of the american voter or whatever. basically that was really critical to getting things passed. >> republicans are hoping to show there was a lack of transparency. not just from gruber, but from democrats in terms of getting this past. they say not only is the law a problem for the country, the way it was passed is a problem. we will hear from the head of medicare and medicaid, marilyn tanner. we will hear a democratic witness who h

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