thomas hock $350 an hour fee. first class flights, meals and 500 donation and wine. >> reporter: in other words another concession in order to make a deal. later this afternoon though, the mud slinging began. >> i think that the truth is in the ticket. >> reporter: the unions say thomas hock is drinking and fine dining and flying first class on the public's dime. >> this is absolutely outrageous that they would allow their out of state chief negotiator to spend more than what an entry level b.a.r.t. service worker would take home in a year. >> reporter: before the news conference, b.a.r.t.'s general manager issued a statement about paying contractors for expenses involving air fare and alcohol. if a reimbursement was made, b.a.r.t. will retroactively recover. b.a.r.t. only reimburses for coach fare. in round dollars, hourly fees, 160,000. air fare, 21,000, hotels, 7,500. meals, 3,500. total just under half the $400,000 contract b.a.r.t. maid with hock's employer. >> they're going to be watching him as close as the

thomas hock $350 an hour fee.class flights, meals and 500 donation and wine. >> reporter: in other words another concession in order to make a deal. later this afternoon though, the mud slinging began. >> i think that the truth is in the ticket. >> reporter: the unions say thomas hock is drinking and fine dining and flying first class on the public's dime. >> this is absolutely outrageous that they would allow their out of state chief negotiator to spend more than what an entry level b.a.r.t. service worker would take home in a year. >> reporter: before the news conference, b.a.r.t.'s general manager issued

s general manager said if a reimbursement was made for one glass of alcohol to hock, b.a.r.t.l retroactively recover payment as a credit to a future invoice. they say they only reimburse for coach fare. we should find out where b.a.r.t. stands with the contract but no word when the a.c. transit transit deadline is. i'm tara moriarty, ktvu channel 2 news. >> thank you. >>> just hours ago, san jose fire crews put out a house fire in about 20 minutes. it started about 3:30 this morning. ktvu's janine de la vega is at the home now to tell us about the health of one of the residents there plus what firefighters found inside where the flames started. good morning, janine. >> reporter: good morning, dave. when we first were driving here, we could see the plumes of smoke from 280. we thought there would be a lot of destruction. but as you can see, the home is still standing. most of the attic is converted into a prayer room. the homeowner called 911 at 3:30 after he heard a crackling sound coming from the attic and saw flames. he and three relatives were able to get out of the home sa

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he was telling matheny and greg hock to stay in the dugout. finish the point about david ortiz with what he's done at the plate, steve was saying that you look at what jon lester has done on the mound in this world series, he's 2-0. one earned run. 15 and a third innings pitched. and in the matchup of the aces, he got the better of adam wainwright not once but twice in this world series. and now after the balk, he takes the bat out of the hands of david ortiz. >> he's been walked three times now intentionally this evening. scoring two runs in the third and fourth innings. i think i'd give it to ortiz. that would be my vote right now. but jon lester, why would the red sox be without jon lester? the answer is you don't know. >> joe: the series was tied at two apiece. lester beat wainwright in game five. and now boston three defensive outs from their eighth championship in franchise history. coming up on america's new 24 hours sports network, fox sports 1, live postgame coverage from fenway. lebron and philly and allen tifr iverson officially ret

thomas hock had a preplanned trip to disneyland.rns out it was good because the unions don't like him. it was nice for them to have him out of the way. but we hear that he is going to be back at the table today. >> all right. we'll see what happens. anne makovec in walnut creek, thank you. >>> a live look right now on capitol hill where lawmakers are trying to beat the clock and prevent a federal government shutdown default. tomorrow the u.s. will no longer be able to borrow money to pay bills unless lawmakers agree it a plan to raise that borrowing little. >> there are a lot of opinions about what direction to go. there have been no decisions about what exactly we will do. >> it's reckless irresponsible radical, no words are adequate to describe how out of the question what the republicans are trying to do here. >> the senate is set to reconvene later this morning with the house getting together within the next hour. senate leaders are optimistic lawmakers can hopefully reach a deal today. damage could already be done though to the

they say thomas hock wracked up airfare and high-priced meals. >> we're accountable to the public. we take a look at what's been submitted and we make sure it's meeting all of the criteria. the criteria, alcohol is not reimbursable, first-class airfare is not reimbursable. >> reporter: while both said say they are closer, the mudslinging continues. leaders not knowing what will happen in the next few days. the coolingoff period ends at 12:00 a.m. governor brown says the state will not step in for a second time. brian flores, ktvu channel 2 news. >>> caldecott tunnel has learned that -- ktvu channel 2 news has learned that a.c. transit rejected a proposal. workers voted on the offer that calls for a 9.9% pay raise over three years and lower healthcare contributions. a.c. transit employees turned down the previous proposal in august. they are the bay area's third largest public transit system, carrying about 180,000 people each day. >>> the shutdown of the federal government is in its second full day with few signs it will end soon. president obama invited john boehner, nancy pelosi,

they went over options to end the budget dead hock. earlier harry reid and mitch mcconnell sat down to look for a potential compromise. >> the conversations were very cordial but very preliminary, but inconclusive. this should be seen as something positive. >> reporter: reid rejected a proposal susan collins put forward but collins said her six-point plan is gaining support. house speaker john boehner said talks with president obama have stalled. house republicans have a plan to fund the government and raise the nation's borrowing limit for six weeks but they want concessions from the obama administration first. the president insists there can be no conditions on reopening the government. >> it doesn't appear as though the president wants anything but more tax revenue with tax increases yet again. >> the senate is back in session in sun afternoon. >>> san fransisco's cliff house is back in business despite the government shutdown. a statement on the restaurant's website says the owners got permission from the national park service to o

here's bart's chief negotiator this morning, tom hock on one of many coffee runs over the past day and night and morning. that is about the only time we have seen these people emerge is to grab coffee or grab lunch. we are hoping they are going to emerge with good news very soon. right now live in oakland, anne makovec, kpix 5. >> anne, how about the media? i know you folks have been there since yesterday, as well. what's the mood outside right now? >> reporter: it's crazy. we're all standing out here in a bunch and anytime one of the main players which we have now come to recognize exits the building, everybody converges on them to get anything. but there is a gag in order place. >> hopefully they get something done. anne makovec in oakland, thank you. >>> how about ac transit? their buses are also operating today. workers have threatened to walk out this morning after rejecting two proposals that union leaders had supported but governor brown stepped in yesterday and appointed a three- member panel to investigate those ongoing talks. if there is no agreement in the next week, the gov

. >> well, anne, we know bart's chief negotiator tom hock was out of town yesterday. is he planning to return to the talks? >> reporter: we were told that he was going to. but we haven't seen him come in here yet today. of course, the day is still young. so we'll see. >> all right. we will see. anne, thank you. and we will keep you posted on the latest developments right here on kpix 5 also on our website, kpix.com/bart. >>> and some developing news from the east bay. ac transit is now trying to convince the governor to step in and block a threatened strike by its workers much like he did for bart. management for the transit agency hand-delivered a letter to governor brown asking for a cooling-off period. now, if the governor agrees, buses would keep rolling for the next two months. some commuters can't imagine the possibility of overlapping strikes by both bart and ac transit workers. >> that would really be bad. it would hurt a lot of people, too. a lot of money would be lost for people who just can't get to work. >> bart and ac transit workers face similar issues,

lucy hockings is there for us. it's looking pretty busy. >> it's incredibly busy, and can you imagine 100 women in a room, it's literally buzzing with creativity and incredible ideas but i've got a few words for us all to consider, that word creativity, passion, self-expression. why do these words have a gender bias some would say? >> it's interesting but the world of performing address is still considered to be dominated by pen. here as a costume and stage designer and another who is a lebanese british composer, thank you for being with us. how hard is it for women? >> i work in various fields in the world of theater women are greatly encouraged but then when off child how do you pay for child care? theater is notoriously ever in paid. how can you make economics work? when it comes to rock and roll i design for kanye west and jay-z and the olympic closing but it's a male-dominated world. it's heavy and organized around lifting up huge stages, transporting them around the globe. it's a profession. men 4rif6 togethe

one person not at the talks yesterday was thomas hock. he will be back today after a trip to disney land. he spoke at a conference there. union members say his absence was helpful. they complained about him during the negotiations. >>> so are you sick of all this? many are but most are just tired of staying up light to find out if the trains are running or not. >> everyone is up until midnight twittering, facebooking, texting each other. how are we going to get to work set up a carpool? >> we'll keep you posted on the latest developments throughout the day today and you can always go to kpix.com. >>> ac transit is trying to convince the governor to block a threatened strike by its workers. management for the transit agency hand-delivered a letter to governor brown asking for a cooling-off period. if the governor agrees, buses would keep rolling for the next two months. some commuters can't imagine the possibility of overlapping strikes by bart and ac transit workers. >> that would really be bad. it would hurt a lot of people, too. a lot o

now, chief bart negotiator tom hock told us why they were not talking publicly and gave us his take on that. >> we have agreed that we won't talk about anything that relates to what's going on at the bargaining table. >> reporter: okay. >> so i can't answer your question on that. >> reporter: so the fact that you've agreed on that is a plus or minus? >> hopefully it's a plus to make things open in the meetings with nobody worrying about the other side going outside and, you know, shooting the other guy in the face for whatever they might have said. so i think that's a plus, yeah. >> reporter: a lone protestor named stan green from martinez showed up. he was carrying a sign. he said he was here representing bart passengers. he was expressing his frustration about the poor progress in negotiations. he said that the public should come out and demand that transit workers not be allowed to strike. so the only good news we can report this evening is they have been talking all day. we think the talks continue. reporting live in oakland, don knapp kpix 5. >>> so still no deal but all options s

don't know what's going on behind closed doors because of a gag order but the chief negotiator thomas hock gave us a little insight. >> things are moving. i would say they are not moving very fast. but, you know, just got to play it out. >> union leaders have stopped short of giving a 72-hour notice of a strike. they rallied for support at frank ogawa plaza in oakland yesterday. and we'll be following the bart talks down to the wire. just stay with kpix 5 and kpix.com for the very latest. >>> and it could be interesting because the a's have a game thursday night. it might be hard to get home that night. >> they are trying to encourage people to carpool because they are not sure if they have enough car space as well because there's a concert at oracle. >> all they had to do was win last night. this all would have been over. >> i got sick watching that game. coco crisp never gives up, does he? he had an unbelievable day. >>> as you head out the door, good morning, everybody, currently partly cloudy skies, numbers are banking from 44 degrees in napa to 53 degrees in mountain view. the winds a

the defense hocks hate it. liberals hate what it is doing to nih. because of this antip aathy we e going to get a deal. >> the shut down costs $24 billion. listen. >> was there temper tantrum worth $24 billion? i don't think so. the president has been pointed in his criticism for the republicans. we can't be blimmi iblaming if going to get a budget deal. >> but that is the problem. it is why we have a prospect of doing it again and having it come up to the deadline. you have the policy concerns. you put democrats and republicans in a room and you tell them this is the target. everybody knows the policy choice that is they have to go into a room and make. the problem is policy keeps getting trumped by politics. you heard the president's tone, yes, he is trying to get political gin here. some think it is possible that they can get the house back in 2014. do you have serious policy discussions or drive the midterm elections. they have their own political concerns. you have them saying we are going to target the republicans on this issue. there are prof

two miles south of black hock.ar no word of major injuries or major damage as a result of this quake. >> happening now first are trying to figure out the cause after fire that swept through a home. the fire may have started in the attic of the vacant home. this happened on third street. the fire was so intense they had to call for a second. >> i want to check business and tech. >> google continues to soar. >> up 13 bucks. we look at the nasdaq and the open there. the one in the original. not working. the guest was the department of heem land security. they had the cyber security. >> facebook had a hick up. the site said it was down for maintenance. remain calm. microsoft will start selling its latest tablet continue in san francisco. improvement on surface 1 introduced a year ago. and in a disof timing is that, apple to apple tomorrow. what did we decide. >> maybe other improvements as well. >> all right. thank you so much. >> 6:58. let's check in with christina loren checking the forecast. >> good morning to you.

the daughter of murdered newtown principal dawn hock spring, and said this should not be a disgustingnt. these people will be trampling on the graves of the people that were murdered that day. why are you laughing? >> because that was not our intent -- >> you planned a campaign -- >> piers, wait a minute -- >> wait a minute. you plan a campaign to promote the good side of guns on the first anniversary of the worst mass shooting at a school in american history. and you have the gall to laugh when i read out a quote from one of the victim's families, how dare you? >> piers, how dare the anti-gun movement use this tragedy all year long -- and plan -- wait, and they planned to do it -- >> of the school who was killed. how dare you? >> my heart goes out to them. i have children and grandchildren myself. that doesn't allow them to use that day either to attack my rights. we're going back to the bill of rights the next day, now, will they back off? how many times will you back off -- i bet you use december 14th to use your anti-gun agenda? >> you're damn right, to promote gun safety in ameri

about heather spoke with bart chief negotiator tom hock.e says he think there is plenty of time still in the next 2 day to work out remaining issues. negotiator work on wages pension medical benefits and key issues. and here's what they said tonight. >> we can fought again tee anything. we are working as we have from the very beginning very hard to get a deal that will be are the fade by our members and ensure. >> we could get it done in. i'm ready to good home. >> last night talk went until about now, 9:00 o'clock. as on the calendar just 2 day left before the 60 day court ordered cooling off period ends. >> other union members rally tonight to she solidarity with the 2 union currently in talk with bart. they rally in the plaza in oakland and march to the cal-trans building where the negotiations are ongoing. group says sense of urgency t toen the negotiations before another strike. we have gone through similarly tough negotiations. >> this is like the same old dance we always go through. we have been ready to negotiate for months. sitting

they are the setting of david hock one of the biggest names in contrary art. >> pieces don't look veryi do. i do something with it and i think the that's what people like. >>reporter: he has brought 300 pieces of his work to the young museum. largest exhibit ever staged here. 18,000 square feet. his first love will always be oil and canvas like this remarkable work that is 12 feet high but lately moving that uncharted territory using an i-phone of all things to take pictures. >>reporter: these work created using a simple paint brush app on his i-phone and i-pad we caught up with the 76-year-old map who says the thumb open the glass stren was all he needed to create the images. >> give you the freedom that canvas and oil paint would. >> well yes. you do get a very good if feeling witness. there are limitations to it like everything but l i think it's exciting. >>reporter: elsewhere he uses 9 videocam are mounted on car to capture the 4 seasons on this engine lish country road. result is something unexpected and pretty cool. >> captured all of that if paint on the i-pad. in the movies. i

s negotiations because thomas hock left town for another engagement. and people are saying this has helped talks progress. during the 10:00 news last night, the federal mediator came out to make an announcement. >> support of the public interest and -- >> in support of the public interest, there will be train service operating all day tomorrow. >> reporter: sunday b.a.r.t. management came up with a $57 million proposal. it called tbl the best and i -- it called it the best and final. everyone will be back here again in three hours. there's no b.a.r.t. strike, at least for now. tara moriarty, ktvu channel 2 news. >> thank you, tara we're learning more about why b.a.r.t. workers have decided not to strike this week. today's "chronicle" reports the b.a.r.t. unions slowly backed away from the deadline early yesterday morning. that's because they reportedly made the decision after concluding that b.a.r.t. management was in the going to bend in a so-called final contract offer. they were also reportedly worried that unions risked being on. receiving end of a

the daughter of murdered newtown principal dawn hock spring, and said this should not be a disgusting stunt. these people will be trampling on the graves of the people that were murdered that day. why are you laughing? >> because that was not our intent -- >> you planned a campaign -- >> piers, wait a minute -- >> wait a minute. you plan a campaign to promote the good side of guns on the first anniversary of the worst mass shooting at a school in american history. and you have the gall to laugh when i read out a quote from one of the victim's families, how dare you? >> piers, how dare the anti-gun movement use this tragedy all year long -- and plan -- wait, and they planned to do it -- >> of the school who was killed. how dare you? >> my heart goes out to them. i have children and grandchildren myself. that doesn't allow them to use that day either to attack my rights. we're going back to the bill of rights the next day, now, will they back off? how many times will you back off -- i bet you use december 14th to use your anti-gun agenda? >> you're damn right, to promote gun safety in a

. >> and he just hocked it up from the pit of his stomach and he spit at me, and it hit me in the shoulder>> he charged at me, so i kind of grabbed him by his back and his shirt and slung him towards the wall, and he hit the wall hard. and the little dude again, he jumps on me. and again, i just, pushed him, to the floor. >> he had his back against the door. and i was kind of tired. so i let my guard down like this. that's when he came across and he punched me. >> hit him with two punches, two solid punches. and he's staggering, stumbled a little bit. >> my reaction was to come back at him. >> so, sarge charges me again. and now the little dude has had times to get his hand on his gas. >> you want me to gas him? i said, yes, gas him. so, he pulled out his mk-4, sprayed him. >> he sprayed, they sprayed me in my eyes and that's what slowed me down. >> had he had a weapon, there was many times i was open, and where any kind of vital body parts i had were, could have been, attacked, you know? i could have been killed, you know? i don't want to beep theatrical. but if he had something that we h

. >> i'm lucy hockings live where our global discussion with our 100 women is well under way.e challenges facing women in the performing arts. >> welcome to gmt. it's midday here in london. 7:00 p.m. in beijing and 1:00 p.m. in brussels where the u.s. spy row is dominating a meeting of e.u. leaders. france and germany say they want to negotiate a new deal with coormings with intelligence with the united states when it is suspected the u.s. may have spide on the german chancellor angela merkle's mobile phone and 35 world leaders have had their mobile phones monitored by america. first this report from the bbc's katy washington in washington. >> e.u. leaders stayed up until the early hours of friday morning with the latest allegations of u.s. spying activities, overshadowing everything else angry that not even allies are spared erica's prying eyes, they want -- >> for the future we have to change something here, and i get impression that the american president sees the necessity of that as well, because friendship between the member states are not a one-way street. >> there are

. >> reporter: bart negotiator tom hock says there's a reason those of us on the outside are not learning much about what's going on inside the meetings. >> we have agreed we won't talk about anything that relates to what's going on at the bargaining table so i can't answer your question on that. >> reporter: so the fact that you've agreed is a plus or minus? >> i think that's a plus. hopefully it makes things more open in the meetings that we're having with nobody worrying about the other side going outside and shooting the other guy in the face for whatever they might have said. so i think that's a plus, yeah. >> reporter: the unions said yesterday it would not give a 72-hour strike notice because union negotiators want to leave open every opportunity to get a deal done but the union also said all options including the strike remain on the table. meanwhile, this man suggesting he represents bart riders came to drum up support for orinda councilmember steven glazier's petition to ban workers from striking. >> listen, friday in my opinion, should be bart black friday. there is no -- you k

what's going on behind the closed doors because of a gag order but bart's chief negotiator thomas hock gave us a little insight. >> things are moving. it's not very fast but just got to play it out. >> union leaders have stop short of giving a 72-hour notice of a strike. they rallied for support at frank ogawa plaza in oakland yesterday. and we'll follow the bart talks down to the wire tomorrow night. stay with kpix 5, kpix.com for the very latest. >>> be careful driving around school zones today. international walk and roll to schoolday is happening. it's a move to get people to be more active and to promote pedestrian safety. a lot of children will be on foot or bicycles on the way to dozens of bay area schools today. >>> well, it's do or die for the a's tomorrow. they will host the tigers in the fifth and deciding game of their american league division series. oakland could have wrapped up the series in detroit yesterday. >> the tigers win with their backs to the wall. >> well, it just wasn't meant to be as the a's fell to the tigers 8-6. and dennis o'donnell is going to have some h

on saturday, the los angeles county museum of art on hors director marvin scorsese and artist david hock>> >> cemeteries have provided a creepy setting for plenty of halloween horror films, so why would arthur gang us consider them the spies of life? every novelist needs a good dictionary and a nearby cemetery. that grave with regard can provide you more than your final space, it will offer historic bullet point, a bird sanctuary, excellent fictitious names and the lifelong source of a sweet column. >> my childhood bedroom in rocky mountain north carolina overlooked pine view cemetery, it seemed my own green playground a bit over done with white rocks. there, under magnolias shelter adults staged our easter egg hunts, tucking pastel candy among chalky graves. this helped medal my sense of the soft wound dis, boundaries between salty death and life's brief sugar high. >> in pine view, bullies left us little kids alone, we felt defended by mausoleums guarding like guardian aunts. >> one certain tombstone seemed to adopt each of us. >> mine told a boy sailor drowned in the sea trade. >> i c

i bet they're playing hock kirks huh, josh?ican business, on line wine community won people's choice and award for best marketing in advertising at the impact showcase awards last night. the event recognizes top entrepreneurs under the age of 35. let's not even go there. we have founder and ceo, alyssa rapp. i'm so glad you're here. i love you got the awards. tell us what the impact showcase was. >> tracy, always great to be back. the impact showcase shows face of all entrepreneurs around the country. they bought us all together for quote-unquote award ceremony at the u.n. which was a thrill. tracy: shibani joshi a friend of fox. naked pizza, we had them here as well. these are big-time companies. you got people's choice. >> a big honor. my team gets entire credit. rallied facebook troops to like us. that is how we won the award and other category was surprise and award. tracy: bottle notes. send out a newsletter. call it the match.com for wine community. how so. >> we have email marketing and email newsletters through interact

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authorities in india, lodging a formal complaint over on alleged unauthorized fashion chute to hock shoes mahal. these photographs show her posing in high heels in front of the monument. the american-born beauty could face up to two years in prison and a fine, for violating india's heritage act, which bans commercial activities on the grounds. she spoke with a journal, jenna peltier. >> i said out loud, isn't this inappropriate? a little upsetting. i loved my visit to india. and i would love nothing more than to go back. >> reporter: the rhode island native was on a ten-day tour of india. even posting this image of the taj mahal on the day of the incident. >> honestly, five-inch heels on a ten-inch bench, in 90-degree weather. you know, i didn't want to do it. i have to do what i'm told. this is my job. >> reporter: other celebrities, from princess diana to tom cruise and even oprah, posing in front of the famous monument of love. >> she essentially had only one option, which is to apologize and throw away the tapes and allow the indian government to allow to make an example out of her. t

. >>> in hock kirks the sharks beat the rangers. we have a new star. hertl. he scored a hat trick. check out this score. >> here's hertl again. >> he scores again. >> it went between his legs, tori. >> wow. that was his fourth on the night. hert, it was just his third nhl game. his mom and girlfriend were there. they are proud hugging even other. hertl leads the league in goals and points. the sharks won beating the rangers ex9- -- beat the rangers, 9-2. >>> it's ground-breaking research. we'll introduce you to the stanford scientist who just won the nobel prize in chemistry. >>> and a mystery at san francisco general and a body found in a stairwell. >>> traffic is moving along pretty well if you are driving in some areas and not so well in others. i look better than those color bars. we'll be right back. jc: lunch at that one restaurant we all like? ron: i'm sorry, who are you? jc: i'm your coworker! c'mon guys. i'm driving. hey, you guys comfortable? it's best-in-class rear legroom. and with a turbo engine that gets 35 highway m-p-g. you know j.d. power ranked passat the most app

we have heard repeatedly from centrists and moderate republicans that the republican party is to in hockthis anti-tax pledge. that gets in the way of coming up with maybe a grand bargain that the president would like to see in terms of doing entitlements and tax revenues to deal with the long-term debt issues. a bit of aas put monkeywrench into the works here which is what grover wants to do. that he wants to decrease the size of government so it becomes so small that you can drown it in the bathtub. i don't know if he wants to drown people who are receiving receivingans or are medicare or are beneficiaries of cancer research. people are getting food stamps and people are in head start. will they all be drowned, to? buts a pretty glib phrase as we learned recently with the shutdown and as we see repeatedly repeatedly, there are many people in america who benefit and depend upon government services and the idea of making it smaller just for the sake of making it smaller appeals, i think, to people who may have been in the av and libertarian club in high school. that's not the way the worl

heard repeatedly from, you know, centrists and moderate republics that the republican party is too in hock to this anti-tax pledge. and that gets in the way of coming up with maybe a grand bargain, that the president would like to see in terms of dealing with entitlements and tax revenues to deal with long-term debt issues. and it really has put a bit of a monkey wrench into the work here's which is what grover wants to do. he has said, and the caller referred to this, he wants to decrease the size of government so it becomes so small you can drown it in the bathtub. i don't know if he wants to drown people who are receiving student loans, who are receiving , you know, medicare or beneficiaries of cancer research, people who are getting food stamps, kids in head start, are they all in this bathtub? will they all be drowned too? it's a pretty glib phrase but as we learned recently with the shutdown and as we see repeatedly, there are a lot of people in america who benefit and depend upon government services and the idea of just sort of making it smaller just for the sake of making it smalle

we have to make sure our future obligations not getting us further into hock.host: paul underlined for republicans. caller: good morning. paul on our line for republicans. caller: thank you for taking my call. i did not think the proposal was going anywhere. i think that is what happened. your second proposal did exactly the opposite. democrats, republicans, independents can understand that congress and staff should be treated the same way as the american people. i do not understand why the president exempted through think theorder and i congressman from connecticut was completely disingenuous when he said he could get it through his private employer and therefore he could get it through the federal government. if it is that good, go back to your private employer. your second or postal change the amount them. i think the shutdown is on the side of the democrats. i you stick to your guns. thank you for taking my call. guest: thanks, paul. i think this is about fairness and equal treatment under the law. a number of my colleagues voted for it. i was not here when

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