already written i want it right i want to go to the point still holds i mean hillary miscellany we're not liberals ok rick i want to go to you i mean we don't hear today we use the term west all the time and you know and i use it all the time i'll be honest with you but we don't hear the word we don't say the east we don't people don't use that is it's polar opposite. well in philosophy we talk often about eastern philosophy and i'm reminded of the young in a satirical magazine we have here in the united states that had a headline that went something like chinese student discovers western philosophy and his parents were horrified that he was into these radical western ideas. but i want to pick up on something that homie said earlier that i think there is a certain experience of the west from the outside that we who are so-called westerners can't ignore that is when for example the west is. protecting the airspace over libya there is an experience on the ground that there is this entity called the west that is not internally defined but externally defined and so along with the economic

and i mean they've been fairly stagnant since the eighty's and so when this first came up about. when it when they first came out when this first came up about japan i was thinking about china and here's the ambiguity of the west i have many colleagues in china who take up the west as a goal that they want to achieve and if you slap the label western on this become something that they think is valuable that that it gets them out of the traditional culture which has been keeping them behind now i don't want to agree or disagree with that but at the moment in which a country like china feels like they can achieve the dreams of the west for us with a certain noblesse or bleach to collapse the whole game and say you know what the west is over we're not doing it anymore there's something there that i'm not quite comfortable with as much as i'm not comfortable with the west in the first place it's a very good for me do you want to reply to that because it's very interesting is because there's kind of this disenchantment of the west within the west and then you have countries outside of

antiwar dot com that was something the really brought people together when bush was going to war i mean legal war that he was pushing and mainstream followed along and now and i think you're a wonderful success but where is the anti-war movement today we have a lot more war if you read antiwar dot com the united states is complex contemplating military action even more places right now beyond libya so enjoy what happened. well and i. i own one of these answers to one of our guests here today but the sobering one fortune answer is the neoconservatives and national sorites it was an anti bush movement more than it was an anti-war movement and that's where it went i mean barack obama partisanship is so strong in the u.s. and democrats are so wedded to barack obama and so afraid of weakening him they will put up with any number of moral indecency if you will to allow him to keep his vaulted position including including the situation and also because barack obama had no leaders no lead a public lead up to libya's there's no chance for organization either the fact that democrats are free to c

i mean and you can watch three d. without glasses this is crazy i think i think this is just by you know i mean and then you know very often people. fall prone to the idea that that is something special i mean in berlin they gave an award to a short film made with an i phone thank you thank you very much don marco and just a reminder that my guest today was a lot of cold miller director of the venice film festival one of act with more first time calling from monster going on in an outside shot until then they are to take it. that's.

up i mean rose. in the world you're selling environs is what is drastically misunderstood everyone saying oh he's selling gallons because he thinks the government is going bankrupt or what not that's actually know what's going on because he anticipates the end of q e two essentially . the fed goes back to normal zero interest rates of negative interest rates that's essentially a rate hike and historically that would be a good reason to sell bonds to various. look at what his partner mohamed illyrian is saying elsewhere is like of the ten year yield got a bit higher we pry actually buy bonds again so this is another thing people look at his move and start to freak out and say oh this means that he thinks the government is going bankrupt this is actually really nice of so it seems to you but i don't think this is rising so how do you possibly seeing a you even say right interest rates are going to be on the rise how do you possibly saying this these numbers are high interest rates are going to be beara

yeah i mean definitely. the baiting going on maybe you know even soon you will have to give aid on raising the debt ceiling or not raising the debt ceiling but while this is being debated i think they are thaw it he who can really decide on whether or not they're going to raise the debt ceiling of the u.s. is the going market and of course the major under investor saw i think that's really the thing to watch we have been watching the eurozone one market re years in the beginning also rising very slowly and then suddenly spiking and if it hadn't been for the bailouts of now it's really yours on countries they would already be history and this can go very very fast or for wonder investors in particular this is something to watch very very carefully in our u.s. years going up and we're just last week actually out of the u.k. you know an advisor to the central bank saying that's it within one year a u.k. interest rate might quadruple so if this is something that's going to happen around the world as a result of t

yeah i mean the exhibit really does make the languages is no longer. mccambridge dad. you know i think this is exactly why i said that there is a kind of geopolitical notion of the west but there is also a mythical india logical notion of the west so it's perfectly keeping with the fact that there is a critique of the west critique of its notions of progress and development. a gemini i think that's all quite appropriate but at the same time there are other places in the world where certain kinds of unfreedom as they are as they see it exist where the west is a goal and so we have to get used to this very ambivalent very ambiguous very enigmatic notion but what we can do is just dump the we have to see its complexities but we can only raise that we have we are uncomfortable with it just as we are uncomfortable with liberty where i'm comfortable with freedom but we we have to see its internal contradictions and i think now the world in a way is dominated and we have to jump right in here we're going to go to a break and after the break we'll continue our discussion on the

for the last two weeks i mean i could go out and prove it to you but i mean there are western journalists on the ground there are people who would say well i think they want to support america whether they're killing them or know but they've come out and they've said the no fly zone has not killed civilians i mean i would be hard pushed to try and find more yes that's right all right through the area where i lost it turns out it's a place where i must have time to. time or to ask one more question and ask how to break the stalemate here comes. this is the last answer how can we break the stalemate without greater outside intervention and what would be fueling what a lot of people call a civil war how do you break the stalemate. ok i personally think you have to do is you know the question is framed. it's not good did all that is the work in the social conflict when we can be if he has broken the social contract with his people as rousseau would say he's broken the social contract these people he has no legitimacy and so when it is with the people they're choosing to fight against they tri

this is no surprise i mean right when we talk about we don't talk about n.s.a. offices and prize and wireless i don't know about that i don't know your sources on that but we do talk every day about the expansion of the patriot act where you know you don't have accountability for warrantless wiretapping that sort of thing so you think the same be used used here in the u.s. if that's what's going on i mean they really are i mean there was one guy who put up a flash mob at the federal reserve and he came there he was the only person who came the people there was n.y.p.d. officers there was about a hundred of them surrounding the building and they were all talking about hundreds and thousands of people they were supposed to come and storm the federal reserve meanwhile i was just one guy who posted the barn so and white people were already monitoring and watching what was going to happen so there are already you know they're going to cooperate they're already sparring and if they were you know what people are going to do before they do it here well then my next quest

well i mean i don't i don't i don't so i mean i write. on criminal justice issues as well i'm going to watch the back but all this stuff for you there are many he argued against a right to post addiction d.n.a. testing in the case is justice department of the other side of the case was one case where the supreme court. but you know i mean i think it takes balls to for a politician to you screwed up and you made a huge monumental mistake and you're going to you know what you can do to fix it that seems to take a lot more back out and probably why fewer of them do it. that's a good statement i like that i totally agree with you there but what do you think the chances are if perry does jump into the race on saturday as he says that he's going to help popular can think that he might be specially compared to the other candidates that are out there of which you know now this is the we've already seen the debate from last night and i we saw the debate in new hampshire and i don't think that they're looking all that impressive. you know when you

picture of the options that countries have to meet energy security and it will you find go to you i mean i don't know how inefficient countries like. but see in. it is but it certainly has the desire. to be have its own energy independence here and there and nuclear is one direction there you know like i said what's going to happen to oil i mean obviously they're going to still want oil in gas but this is something for a longer term because the plants last longer investment is huge and as we've been told on this program they're hugely profitable so again kind of repeating my question i mean countries like that really don't have an option they really feel they need to go take the nuclear option for their own energy self-sufficiency. well the thing we always talk about with nuclear power is its energy density it has you get two thousand times the energy from the same volume with then you do with hole and i came across a figure there they really amaze me there are something like two thousand coal mines in the in the entire world is four hundred four hundred coal mines alone in kentucky ther

a reasonable comment there i mean they're profitable and i want to talk a little bit about energy security in the future i mean irrespective of their expensive to make each country see another can't you can a country can't turn off your electricity. well i mean there are a few points the first is the bills right the current plants that are operating are very profitable but when you're talking about building new plants which is prone to costs that are incredibly high cost that could be as high as eight to nine thousand dollars per installed kilowatt cost of building a new winter of mine is about two thousand dollars per install of kilowatt the only other technology that's that expensive on a capital intensive basis is solar panels and nobody's talked about making centralize solar facilities so there's not many countries the second interesting point is that when you talk about capacity factor it is true that most plants in the u.s. are actually close to ninety six ninety seven percent for the last few years and if you look at the worldwide history over the course of nuclear power the global

iraq is on fire now with protest as well i mean not that it's a major exporter right now but i mean what we're looking at the entire exporting region now that then then we get into a really different ballpark here because different types of regimes could come into power not necessarily friendly to the united states could even be hostile to the united states now we're changing the oil. lynette dynamic of the world in a very big way. indeed you're right to raise this question that's why the developments in teeny bahrain are so they've been shoved off the news the past few days because of developments in libya but what's happening in bahrain is very significant even though the population there is less than one million people it is significant because it is a clash between a shiite majority and a sunni men minority and a monarchy as well and the if if that conflict plays out and spreads to saudi arabia then we're in a very different ballpark now in saudi arabia of course you have a sunni maturity and the shiites are only a minority but they are a majority in the oil producing region in

and so would that mean that we live in well i mean or i mean jeff i mean you're right i mean this again it's very academic but i mean under eight years of bush and then in under two years of obama we still see american understanding of democracy in a way to go to bruce here on this one can protect american national interests ok it's a cover it's a cover for sure it's a cover to protect american interests that's why you know religion it's growing that hillary clinton will come out and say we need more democracy in egypt why couldn't she say that when she became secretary of state why couldn't a secretary of state said that twenty five or thirty years ago. if you can see the difference between obama and bush you know they're not really looking close i'm not . here to reassure you that they're not in the washington now washington to the region ok i think they raised more or less the same whether or not one hundred eighty degrees but but but there are significant differences but i come back to a point that sorry to leave because it's an important point you know during the cold war one of th

i mean i don't i mean i really don't know what the department of justice can do in terms of telling local law enforcement i mean law enforcement is traditionally a an issue that's supposed to have left up to the states and left up to two. more. since and i'm not really sure i mean you want to consider an example they can all competent as they can encourage local commissions to show better judgment and how to do that be great but you know in terms of actual setting and actual policy i'm not sure there's a whole lot they can do other than maybe withholding federal funding maybe they can do that but i didn't really didn't or i'm going out of their way to see if we have they had a break but we'll see if the policy actually doesn't have a thanks so much for joining us tonight. also the gallery of art of selling sell and is that criticizing president obama and congress viro polonius month joins us in the studio. with us.

i mean how can you see these people in the anti-war element it seems a bit thin really there i mean you're just slightly against the war or you know i'm against the war this war i mean what i'm saying is that you know the united states is constantly at war it is bankrupting itself while others are making a fortune and misery unspeakable misery and we caused united states causes so many places and you say people kind of walk away from it. yeah i think that's right i mean i think it's important to understand what motivates people's participation ordinary people's participation in sort of mass protest events and what gets them. mobilized to get involved in politics and really it's a sense of threat and it was during the bush years that people felt very strongly cutely threatened and they felt strongly to do something about it whereas now they don't feel quite as threatened and that's why they don't participate as much angeline i like to excel is people keep i'm sorry go ahead the way that i like to explain it is that there are a lot of issues that i take positions on where i disagree w

talk about naive i mean my theory of political change then you'll recall i was twenty seven or twenty eight when i was writing this my theory of political change basically boiled down to i will write a book. everyone will read it and then they'll change right you know i mean i did write the book and you know in comparison to terms everybody read it it came out in twenty four languages it was a bestseller all over the place but it turns out that as i've sort of learned slowly painfully that's not quite how political change exactly happens. you you have also written about. you've you've written about human impact your book about one you've written you wrote a book about. other cultures. how. to what extent do you think that the sickness. excuse me that we're confronting is not our technology necessarily or even our politics but our culture i think that culture and our technologies as it were very closely intertwined i think the thing the most important thing but it's happening in our world was the discovery of the ability to use fossil fuel in the early really in the seventy's eighteent

it is in do but it will be ok but i mean this is what's here this is what's so interesting it is already a game of go ahead go ahead jump in i started a fight you can continue it go ahead are you going to godfrey going to leave it there this is what so this is i i agree with what peter said this is what's so interesting is that when the united states gets behind something or or builds consensus poor a common good that common good is also in our national interests so when we oppose something out of national interest reasons it kind of makes people think that all we're about is our national interest i think that what's different is that is that there is a a mix of idealism in riyadh politic on our foreign policy that in many ways but not exclusively in many ways is uniquely american and has set us up in a perfect situation since since world war one to really build consensus around greater freedom and greater prosperity ok and that means invading countries without a u.n. resolution also i got for you go ahead ahead go. well i'm i'm not in the business of saying that the united states has no

ok jeffrey i mean would you would you agree with that i mean one of the interesting things is that you know i think all of us when we study in the soviet union is that the communist party being all power for very very powerful security forces a very powerful army the plotters hallow all the tools they needed to told after it was utter utter failure how do you account for that i mean it wasn't because they lacked resources know it wasn't i would say absolutely decisive fact was that to the generals were reluctant to fire on peaceful civilians they've been through that experience in georgia a couple of years previously and got into serious trouble they wanted to be absolutely certain that if they did fire on civilians the order to do so was legal definitely legal whereas now we had two powers confronting each other the soviet union in the person of the emergency committee and russia and the person of yeltsin with corporate off somewhere in between so the generals didn't know how to react archie what do you think about i mean. you know when you look at got a bunch of for me at the moment

for the last two weeks i mean i can't go out and prove it to you but i mean the western journalists on the ground there are people who would say well i think they want to support america whether they're clinging on or the come out and them said the no fly zone has not killed civilians i mean the holocaust to try and find the yes that's right through the area where are you trying to place ramos at the time of the koran. just one more question and ask how to break the stalemate here comes. the line was this the last chance or how can we break the stalemate without greater outside intervention and what would be fueling what a lot of people call a civil war how do you break the stalemate the lists go ok but i personally feel. to be honest here is that the question is framed it's not a charade it all that it is the broken the social contract when we can be broken the social contract with these people as rousseau would say is broken the social contract these people he has no legitimacy and so when he's with the people they're choosing to fight against a dictator so we have to negotiate with

the table starve the beast was it for is it came out of the republican or the reagan white house i mean we've been playing this song book since june i mentioned before one of your trade winds could wrote the piece so the six can say because three reagan played it and he invented the phrase. while i really are playing it they are really playing it now and i think you have only to look for example at what's been done congress leaves leaves town and the f.a.a. is not extended so it means aviation workers four thousand federal workers and almost ninety thousand and seventy five to ninety thousand contractor workers at the height of the construction season at a time when we're facing nine point two percent unemployment and they're furloughed without a paycheck having to pay their mortgages and take care of their families and so this is been part of a progression over the last thirty years that this so-called debt ceiling agreement something that we have done more than one hundred times over the last several decades raising the debt ceiling and instead the republicans decided that they were g

i don't think it's keeping up the times at all no i mean it started in an era of fixed exchange rates and clearly we no longer have fixed exchange rates but i think the more fundamental problem is that it tends to put stability over economic growth so low of course it pays lip service to economic growth. whenever there are problems the kind of immediate response is to try to stabilize things which might sound sensible but what happens in reality often is that fundamental economic problems are on dissolved and they just come in keep on coming back and back and back so you see that happen time and time again as i think all international institutions not just the i.m.f. should really be focusing on strong dynamic long term growth that really should be their main aim jeffrey would you want to pick up on that do you agree or disagree with what we just heard here. well i mean to begin with of course choosing a managing director of the i.m.f. is going to is very different depending on whether you think the institution is everything it does is all wrong and you want to tear it down or complet

are job creators tax them a little bit more because they're not doing enough already what is this i mean is he completely a socialist so my question what's socialist about asking millionaires and billionaires to pay the exact same tax rate as their secretaries i think warren buffett should go and write a check to start the ball rolling on tax rates not voluntary contributions i mean i'm just saying that if you really is serious about that and set an example by writing a check and saying i'm serious about this and i want other billionaires and follow my lead and get all this stuff this is true that it would be before you have a chance to inspire happened congressman hogan actually suggested that today and here's how his constituents respond this is because i'm not out there trying to coddle anybody i'm back to support a bill that allows super rich if they want to make. me give more money to the federal government computer i'm going to use of his attorney patrick you should. this is a republican he says no it's a charity joe. you know warren buffett does write checks he writes billions of

you're not up to speed on the latest i mean. look at on the right of. your heart i was saying was he or or tripoli and you can realize this is not being dictated by washington but i mean certainly we did have a i think i'd interest in the status quo we weren't happy with these dictators i was unhappy with these dictators but you know the devil you know. it was generally better than devil you don't know and we certainly don't know what's going to happen here i'm not so concerned about what's going to happen in egypt and in libya i think those populations are are relatively modern and have some pro western tendencies the big question as i said earlier is saudi arabia i mean we don't know what's going to happen now right now saudi arabia looks quiet but two months is an eternity you know know what's going to happen there and if things do stabilize in saudi arabia i see a much greater islamised undercurrent in that country which could veer saudi arabia off in a very dangerous direction and that would have a severe geo political conse

i mean i don't have anything to say to make me feel better about it which i have some of these things you're right the sense of they're criminalizing childhood because some of this isn't even a mistake that temper tantrum as a five year old when you're in kindergarten i would really say that's a mistake i would say that that's just a normal part of growing up or you know the same way billing on a desk sorry that's not you know some criminal offense if you ask me but where do you think if we go into the schools where is it coming from is it because we have zero tolerance policies and sometimes teachers even though they think the kids shouldn't get in trouble just want to abide by those policies are because now you have campus police everywhere and they they're the ones that are decided to be a little overzealous with giving out. both. yeah i mean it's all of these things i mean zero tolerance is certainly part of it but a lot of this i mean it comes down to discretion discretion on the part of school administrators to call the police in the first place i mean zero tolerance usually nee

field well i mean far be it for republicans that i would ever try to improve their sanity coming out of a straw poll it's as if every four years or every years when they have a straw poll they try and find the most unlucky people you know that they can and to give them a little lift coming out of this you know i think given that you can buy ballots if thirty bryce apiece michele bachmann and what six thousand of them and as the monitors orders in about forty two hundred of them turn on the right given that you can buy ballots you think the mitt romney would be like we had in this i mean the guy's got for him about the last inspection he bought the last straw poll thousand and he won it and i worked on the two thousand straw poll that george w. bush won in george w. bush is the only republican to ever win the straw poll of the caucus the nomination and the presidency i think he might even be the only person to have ever won the straw poll and won the nomination but he bought it to i mean it's just a real deep fund raiser for for them and to say that he won the presidency you have to h

i mean if the answer that way. you know that i think that they might signal a better approach i feel corndog. no no. no no no they're not and tell you. we're all. very much all for joining. us we'll see if it will suit all but thank you very much. for the break america voted for change when they elected our forty fourth president barack obama but today a lot of the voters are disappointed in my daily take all write a letter to president obama telling him what i believe he needs to do to bring the change that he promised. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions great through it through being made who can you trust no one who is you know with a global machinery to see where we had a state controlled capitalism it's called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. i know to president obama the. to president you're running out of time at this point a double dip recession is all but certain and outside a c.e.o. of boardrooms and wall street most americans never rec

nobel prize winning economist to say that had that stimulus not happened unemployed be much worse i mean for the several billion dollars that stimulus ended up in taxes and rick perry is claiming the jobs that were created with it were created i have. and we're sitting here debating the negative that it may have been worse it may have been i didn't evacuate i'm telling you the stimulus created jobs in texas rick perry is claiming credit for that and the stimulus also gave us trillions of dollars in deficit who your children our grandchildren are going to try to pay off we're going. to stimulate it was an eight hundred billion dollars stimulus two hundred fifty of it was x. cuts it was about we've always just it's sort of get ceiling raising the debt ceiling of two point seven you know you come on tom ok you're not going to like you're talking about the back to the fed here for just a second the way the q.e. quantitative easing works and i'm assuming you're you you're familiar with this is that what the fed does is that they buy treasuries now they create money out of thin air to buy thos

i mean and you can watch three d. without glasses this is crazy i think i think this is just by you know i mean and then you know very often people. fall prone to the idea that that is something special i mean in berlin they gave an award to a short film made with an eyeful thank you thank you very much don marco and just to remind them that my guest today was marco miller director of the venice film festival what about with more first time calling from what's going on in and outside the shop until then stay and party take it. for the full story we've got it for. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers. and. in the united kingdom also is available in thirty house the month forty one hotel home the only way for her to be given also to the millstone hutto some old country home.