i mean and you can watch three d. without glasses this is crazy i think i think this is just by you know i mean and then you know very often people. fall prone to the idea that that is something special i mean in berlin they gave an award to a short film made with an eyeful thank you thank you very much don marco and just to remind them that my guest today was marco miller director of the venice film festival what about with more first time calling from what's going on in and outside the shop until then stay and party take it. for the full story we've got it for. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers. and. in the united kingdom also is available in thirty house the month forty one hotel home the only way for her to be given also to the millstone hutto some old country home.

i mean how can you see these people in the anti-war element it seems a bit thin really there i mean you're just slightly against the war or you know i'm against a war this war i mean what i'm saying is that you know the united states is constantly at war it is bankrupting itself while others are making a fortune in misery unspeakable misery that we caused the united states causes so many places and you say people kind of walk away from it. yeah i think that's right i mean i think it's important to understand what motivates people's participation ordinary people's participation in mass protest advance and what gets them. mobilized to get involved in politics and really it's a sense of threat and it was during the bush years that people felt very strongly cutely threatened and they felt strongly to do something about it whereas now they don't feel quite as threatened and that's why they don't participate as much angeleno i took somebody as he keep i'm sorry go ahead but the way that i like to explain it is that there are a lot of issues that i take positions on where i disagree with m

here i mean the exhibit. languages is no longer. mccambridge guy. no i think this is exactly why i said that the there is a kind of geo political notion of the west but there is also a mythical if you logical notion of the west so it's perfectly keeping with the fact that there is a critique of the west critique of its notions of progress and development. a gemini i think that's all quite appropriate but at the same time there are other places in the world where certain kinds of unfreedom as they are as they see it exist where the west is a goal and so we have to get used to this very ambivalent very ambiguous very enigmatic notion but what we can do is just dump the we have to see its complexities but we can only raise that we have we are uncomfortable with it just as we are uncomfortable with liberty where uncomfortable with freedom where we we have to see its internal contradictions and i think now the world in a way is dominated and we have to jump right in here we're going to go to a break and after the break we'll continue our discussion on the

antiwar dot com that was something the really brought people together when bush was going to war i mean legal war that he was pushing and mainstream following along and now and i think you're a wonderful success but where is the anti-war movement today we have a lot more war if you read antiwar dot com the united states is complex contemplating military action even more places right now beyond libya so enjoy what happened. well and i. one of these answers to one of our guests here today but the sobering one fortune answer is the neoconservatives and national sorites it was an anti bush movement more than it was an anti-war movement and that's where it went i mean barack obama partisanship is so strong in the u.s. and democrats are so wedded to barack obama and so afraid of weakening him they will put up with any number of moral indecency to will to allow him to keep his vaulted position including including the situation and also because barack obama had no leader is no lead a public lead up to libya's there's no chance for organization either the fact that democrats are free to criticiz

i was buying i mean we know i mean it isn't just the u.s. federal reserve lots of other central banks like china are buying now you might say at some point they're going to stop and i'm worried about that too but at the moment they're not slowing down their purchases foreign central banks ok joe where you where do you jim and where do you jump in all this. generally the view the crisis is totally overhyped i mean this idea is like will if we didn't have the dollar we would be greece but we do of the dollar and. we have a fundamentally different monetary system the various greece doesn't control its own currency they're suddenly borrowing in someone else's currency they have to build up a surplus and then pay it back we have a fundamentally different system than that and to compare us to agrees there ireland or any other trade the comparison is just wrong and i think look this is something that politicians freak out about and. the other guest said all the sudden it's become a political issue but if you actually i look at the market i look at

yeah i mean definitely. debating you know maybe even even soon we will have the debate on raising the debt ceiling or not raising the debt ceiling but why this is being debated saying they are thawing t. who can really decide on whether or not they're going to raise the debt ceiling of the u.s. is the bond market and of course the major bond investors saw i think that's really the same to watch we have been watching the eurozone one market re years in the beginning also rising very slowly and then suddenly spiking and if it hadn't been for as a bailout it's off now it's really yours on countries they would already be history and this can go very very fast or for one to investors in but again this is something to watch very very carefully in all u.s. years going up and just last week actually out of the u.k. you know an advisor to the central bank saying that within one year a u.k. interest rate might quadruple so if this is something that's going to happen around the world as a result of the rising inflation

iraq is on fire now with protests as well i mean not that it's a major exporter right now but i mean we're looking at the entire exporting region now that then then we get into a really different ballpark here because different types of regimes could come into power not necessarily friendly to the united states could even be hostile to the united states now we're changing the oil. that dynamic in the world in a very big way. right to raise this question that's why the developments in teeny bahrain. they've been shoved off the news the past few days because of developments in libya but what's happening in bahrain is very significant even though the population there is less than one million people it is significant because it is a clash between a shiite majority and a sunni men minority and a monarchy as well and if the if if that conflict plays out and spreads to saudi arabia then we're in a very different ballpark now in saudi arabia of course you have a sunni majority and the shiites are only a minority but they are a majority in the oil producing region and in the eastern province

and so would that mean that we live in well i mean i mean jeff jeff i mean you're right i mean this again it's very academic but i mean under eight years of bush and then in under two years of obama we still see american understanding of democracy we're going to go to bruce here on this one to protect american national interest ok it's a cover it's a cover for sure it's a cover to protect american interests that's why you know religion it's galling that hillary clinton will come out and say we need more democracy in egypt why couldn't she say that when she became secretary of state like when a secretary of state said that twenty five or thirty years ago. if you can see the difference between obama and bush you know they're not really looking close i'm not . here to read today they're not washington not washington to the region ok i think they raised more or less the same other one hundred eighty degrees but but but there are significant differences but i come back to a point that terry gilliam it has it's an important point you know during the cold war one of the huge mistakes that the un

for the last two weeks i mean i could go and prove it to you but i mean there are western journalists on the ground there are people in it and they would say well i think they want to support america whether they're killing them or no but they've come out and they've said that the no fly zone has not killed civilians i mean i'll be hard pushed to try and find more yes that's right all right through the area where i lost but it turns out it's a place where almost ten times according to time moved to ask one more question and ask how to break the stalemate here comes a clearly. this is the last answer how can we break the stalemate without greater outside intervention and what would be fueling what a lot of people call a civil war how do you break the stalemate. ok i personally think your. question is framed. it's not the framed it all that is the work on the social conflict when we can be broken the social contract with these people is rousseau i would say he's broken the social contract these people he has no legitimacy and so when he is with the people they're choosing to fight again

actually agree partly with both robert and john paul i mean i think this is not really so much a question of mcdonald ais ation as the struggle to communicate in the real world by people who don't actually have a lot of english but i think it's quite right john paul is actually on to something here saying that people need some guidance as to how to best deploy the limited resources of the language they have to communicate clearly and this is actually something which perhaps native speakers need to learn about as well so it's not entirely just a matter for non-native speakers ok i'll jump all in if then why not just learn english i think i'm going online what robert was saying and if you want to use english want you to speak it properly. well we should make clear that there are audition b.r.d. would be two kinds of the english gave the english which gives you access to the co-chair of the anglo-saxon going to share which is immense verity each outstanding going from shakespeare to mark twain and if you like bill gates so this is very true and i

for the last two weeks i mean i could go out and prove it to you but i mean the western journalists on the ground there are people in there and they would say well i think they want to support america whether they're killing them or no but they've come out and they've said the no fly zone has not killed civilians i mean i'll be hard pushed to try and find my yes that's right all right through the area where i last time so it's at a place where i must tell you. one more question and ask how to break the stalemate here comes. this is the last answer how can we break the stalemate without greater outside intervention and what would be fueling what a lot of people call a civil war how do you break the stalemate the lists. ok but i personally think over the budget is the question is framed it's not going to do all that is the broken the social contract when we can be if he has broken a social contract with his people as rousseau would say he's broken the social contract these people he has no legitimacy and so when it is what the people there are choosing to fight against they try to so we

i mean when if it or you in english this is this is if i go you need to being brass in this argued over worse is mostly comprised of me and my siblings you might understand that if you are in is there were meant to be the or most people will not understand that so if you want to get the message or cause you can say this is our company the top management you know most going to have mostly me and the other two hundred my parents and you get the same message across when doors are seen very belong to my limited release and if it were not on you better so your heat trait in terms of understanding would be ten dollars better if you used nice garden or formulation ok robert if i go to you in copenhagen is this just jibberish bad english. i think it's very clear that. when you are in the real world you obviously have to communicate as best you can i am worried by the idea that a simplified form of english like that. isn't it's a bit like mcdonald is asian it's a packaged version which apparently will give you the satisfaction that you need whereas in the in the real world. people don't really f

picture of the options that countries have to meet energy security needs it will you want to go to you i mean i don't know how inefficient countries like. italy. it is but it certainly has the desire. to be have it's own energy independence here and there and nucular is one direction there you know like i said what's going to happen to oil i mean obviously they're still want oil in gas but this is something for a longer term because the plants last longer investment is huge and as we've been told on this program they're hugely profitable so again kind of repeating my question i mean countries like that really don't have an option they really feel they need to go take the nuclear option for their own energy self-sufficiency. well a thing we always talk about with nuclear power is its energy density it has you get two thousand times the energy from the same volume with then you do with coal and i came across a figure there really amazed me there are something like two thousand coal mines in the in the entire world is four hundred four hundred coal mines alone in kentucky there are forty five ye

is in do but it will be ok but i mean this is what's here this is what's so interesting is all right david go ahead go ahead jump in i started a fight you can continue and go ahead and go to godfrey go and see if it says what so this is i i agree with what peter said this is what's so interesting is that when the united states gets behind something or or builds consensus for a common good that common good is also in our national interests so when we oppose something out of national interest reasons it kind of makes people think that all were about is our national interest i think that what's different is that is that there is a a mix of idealism and reality paula take on our foreign policy that in many ways but not exclusively in many ways is uniquely american and has as set us up in a perfect situation since since world war one to really build consensus around greater freedom and greater prosperity ok and that means invading countries without a u.n. resolution also i godfrey go ahead ahead go. well i'm i'm not in the business of saying that the united states has not done many positiv

goals are it's a much more complex task than what globish claims to be capable of achieving ok david i mean it's a very good point to you know the mcdonnell ization of english but that's the trend in the world that everything's getting mcdonnell lies i think john paul's point is that you know if you want to be able to communicate and communicate as best you can and i think if i'm we make it clear i should make it clear to my audience here. this is a this is a kind of quasi language of non-native speakers speaking to each other like danes speaking to japanese japanese speaking to koreans and things like that it's not really actually doesn't have anything to do with native speakers of english i actually agree partly with both robert then john paul here and i think this is not really so much a question of mcdonald ais ation as the struggle to communicate in the real world by people who don't actually have a lot of english but i think it's quite right john paul is such that on to something here and saying that people need some guidance as to how to best deploy the limited resources of the langu

river of this person or not be as good in worshipping as girlish because they could be ok example i mean i could agree with you maybe if you're talking about your childhood or buying a ticket at a train station or ordering in a restaurant or something like that. you bring a business i mean most businesses you have contracts and you have very specific laws and clauses and things like that this this language can't work for that if i go to robert on that i mean it's for chit chat it's just to get you know get through something is this something you wouldn't sign a contract with using this kind of language it's too imprecise i mean it has nothing to do with english as a school subject or you're trying to equip people to function in a range of ways and i want one of things that worries me about the whole promotion of different types of english worldwide is that the assumption morris is that the only language you need worldwide these days is english you don't get far with english in latin america or even in southern europe or in most of asia so that when for instance danish companies are asked

years and he didn't do so so it's on him not only that did he start a military conflict in libya i mean has he not attacked and use drones for the world and i get it that you're trying to make this about barack obama i'm talking about dick cheney and george bush i mean. it's interrogation techniques we used one of them interrogation techniques and torture equate that with what happened to our people by the japanese they're the same they're with the united terrorists victims of the water torture of putting. was over people's families i was saying a lot of it back to conservative columnist christopher hitchens when and himself was water boarded and as previously stated that it was more of a came back and said this is torture i mean i think that it is not entirely inappropriate it is. as a disappointing part of our foreign policy our defense policy and it's a disappointing a moment in our personal history however and also i would like that i think. that they are radical ideal world with unicorns and poppies i would like to see me held accountable for a lot of the things that he's done you

for the last two weeks i mean i could go out and prove it to you but i mean the western journalists on the ground. there would say well i think they want to support america whether they're killing them or not but that's come out and they've said the no fly zone has not killed civilians i mean the whole push to try and point out yes that's right through the area we're almost trying to talk it's in the same place ramos time the killers. just one more question and ask how to break the stalemate here comes ali. this is the last answer how can we break the stalemate without greater outside intervention and what would be fueling what a lot of people call a civil war how do you break the stalemate. ok but i personally see although i think it was that the question is framed it's not bushrangers all that is the broken the social contract can weaken the death is broken the social contract with its people is rousseau i would say he's broken the social contract with people he has no legitimacy and so when he is with the people they are choosing to fight against a dictator so we have to negotiate w

and how policy is formed i mean godfrey brings up an excellent point here i mean the number how many people actually know the role in the united states the role of the soviet union in the second world war and if they did they would understand how russia is feels about its neighborhood in nato expansion it would explain a lot of things russia's act behavior would seem so much more rational if americans actually knew history that's very important here i'm sorry david you were going to jump in there just on the do you think. american are as much about history as possible all right i think that's. and. let me just say one thing about american foreign policy which is that it is it is infused with david said with a kind of idealism and more our the which certainly is now. alone it's that is to say that it's self-interest as it's dominant but it does define self-interest in moralistic ways and that can lead to great tragedies and mistakes as well was great ventures and triumphs ok david quick word before we go to the break ok another example all right i'm going to go ahead and then we're go

ok but i mean maybe. we just had to play because it was kind of funny if you had to do that david make up to the camera man about the make up i am we talked about it but the thing that matt damon doesn't understand is if our camera man was underperforming he would be fired whereas with teachers with tenure it's so difficult to fire them it's time consuming it's expensive and what happens is these teachers just end up being transferred to another school what's called the dance of the lemon or the referred to as the just moving the trash the trash so i mean this is so unfortunate we are protecting bad teachers that be expensive our children and you know unfortunately i think that probably a lot of good teachers get stuck in the middle of that because right now we're seeing layoffs of teachers across the board in many states there are a lot of people who cannot deserve to be losing those jobs right now let's move on to these polls that i just mentioned right so eighty two percent of people disapprove of congr

ok jeffrey i mean we do agree with that i mean one of the interesting things is they do know i think all of us when we study in the soviet union is that the communist party being all powerful very very powerful security forces a very powerful army the plotters had all all the tools they needed to pull it off but it was an utter utter failure how do you account for that i mean it wasn't because they lacked resources no it wasn't i would say absolutely decisive factor was that to the generals were reluctant to fire on peaceful civilians they've been through that experience in georgia a couple of years previously and got into serious trouble they wanted to be absolutely certain that if they did fire on civilians in order to do so was legal definitely legal whereas now we had two powers confronting each other the soviet union in the person of the emergency committee and russia and the person of yeltsin with gorbachev somewhere in between so the generals didn't know how to react archie what do you think about that i mean. you know when you look at got to charge for me at the moment you kn

chance for success what do you think about that nickel i mean the timing of it all here because i mean the reform efforts weren't really yielding i mean maybe there was hope but the facts on the ground the economy wasn't going was going down there was shortage is there was a there was debate but was it healthy debate was it really changing anything what about the timing if it had been a year before or a six months later do you think it would've made any difference. on the one hand i don't think it would have made any crucial difference to the prospects of the communist party to reassert itself i think its days were already over and simply. demonstrated that it had no future in society but one of the myths that has lingered with us is this idea that if only a more reformist course had been chosen and adopted that the u.s.s.r. could have been preserved in some way. perhaps under the leadership of the communist party i think. it's unlikely that that would have succeeded and even before the coup itself all these events the disintegration of the union accelerated nevertheless there was alre

i don't think it's keeping up the times at all no i mean it started in an era of fixed exchange rates and clearly we no longer have fixed exchange rates but i think the more fundamental problem is that it tends to put stability over economic growth so low of course it pays lip service to economic growth. whenever there are problems the kind of immediate response is to try to stabilize things which might sound sensible but what happens in reality often is that fundamental economic problems are under solved and they just come in people coming back and back and back so you see that happen time and time again whereas i think all international institutions not just the i.m.f. should really be focusing on strong dynamic long term growth that really should be their main aim jeffrey would you want to pick up on that do you agree or disagree with what we just heard here. well i mean to begin with of course choosing a managing director of the i.m.f. is going to is very different depending on whether you think the institution is that everything it does is all wrong and you want to tear it down o

i mean and you can watch three d. without glasses this is crazy i think i think this is just by you know i mean and then you know very often people. fall prone to the idea that that is something special i mean in berlin they gave an award to a short film made with an i phone thank you thank you very much don marco and just a reminder that my guest today was a lot of cold miller director of the venice film festival one of act with more first time calling from monster going on in an outside shot until then they are to take it. that's.

tax dollars that could be spent on i don't know education on health care on economic stimulus i mean it seems to me that we haven't made the connection in this country between what we spend on war and how that impacts our lives here in america what's your take on that. i think you're exactly correct we started we think of got us in about two years ago and we did focus on the deaths we focused on the injuries we focused on the long term effects of the people that were sacrificing being there it really wasn't until we started talking about the cost of the war that people started to pay attention and i think now more than ever as we continue to talk about the costs and we've started a new project war class dot com where we specifically go over everything that you've just spoken about the money that could be saved where it could be spent and the fact that defense does not create jobs well in yet you have the defense secretary leon panetta saying defense for off the table and we have a situation where defense spending in this country increased by forty percent since nine eleven not includi