this is for jeff wise.ty of the plane being intact at the bottom of the ocean with no floating debris? >> well, if it was in one piece that would mean the pilot did a quiet landing like pilot sullenberger. but you would get the life rafts which are equipped with emergency beacons. it's that or you do a supersonic descent where the thing breaks into a million pieces. that leaves millions of tiny pieces floating around. it's hard to imagine a scenario where you ditch or crash in the ocean without a trace left. >> everybody stick around. richard and i have come up with this. you would not believe how many questions we are getting. i have got hundreds, if not thousands during this broadcast. we're going to go through the twitter feed and we're going to ask the questions that you are sending us to our experts here. make sure you #370qs. you have time to shop for car insurance today? yeah. i heard about progressive's "name your price" tool? i guess you can tell them how much you want to pay and it gives you a ran

i know jeff wise will disagree with me on a variety of these aspects. but once you've gone over malaysia and indonesia, you're talking about small islands. this is a boeing 777. yes, there are some landing spots that it could happen, but most of them have been checked. >> a lot of people have been asking about submarines. paul says, is it true that the u.s. has deployed submarines in the search for mh-370 in the indian ocean? are submarines potentially useful here? >> they do have acoustic listening and sonar abilities. i'm not a submarine expert, but they have to have the cutting edge technology if they're a warship to look out in front of them and look around them. but they're a very expensive item to run, and you could do the same with autonomous vehicles. sound is very limited. you can only look -- unclassified, i guess, 1,000 meters on each side, maybe 2,000 meters, depending on your strength of your sonar and you have to be down close to the bottom. if these are 13,000 feet deep, even the best subs do not go that deep. >> this is from gale who say

also with me, jeff wise, author of "the science of your mind in danger."ilot jim tillman, and lieutenant colonel michael kay, and geoffrey thomas. i want to get your reaction to what richard and i were having quite a discussion about earlier, to what david said. first with you, mary schiavo. he's saying listen, this could take two years if not more and he believes we've lost the opportunity to hear the pinging on the black boxes. >> well, we may have. but on his idea that it could take two years or more, actually the average aviation investigation takes about 3.5 years, so he was being conservative. >> michael kay? >> yeah, i think one of the big problems we've got here is that the accuracy of the search operation is predominantly based on assumptions. we know from the data that we've got the distance and the arc. what we don't know is how far down the arc south that it's gone. and what is fueling this information is assumptions based information. to it's distance, it's track, it's also altitude, and it's speed. but they're all based on conflicting evidenc

cnn aviation analyst richard quest is here, miles o'brien, and jeff wise. all aviation analysts. and former commercial airline pilot bill savage joins us as well. rich, i'm going to start with you. i want to ask you this twitter question from hannah. the past two debrises have been found on satellite, they have taken three to four days to be released as to being found. so clearly it won't be there anymore. >> no. it takes by the way, first of all, quite a lot of time to analyze this huge amount of data that comes down from the satellite. so that is why it's taken them some time. they've got to get the data, they've got to look at it, they've got to analyze it. and we're talking about a vast area and a vast amount of information. you're right, it won't be there now. but you've seen the pictures of wherer that dropping the buoys with the transmitters on them. the reason they're doing that is to work out the currents so they know which way the ocean is moving. and then you reverse drift it up so they can work out where it should be now. >> you drop them -- do you drop them where you

jeff wise, here's what patrick says. 3 million pairs of crowd sourcers given access to help to search near australia? why rely on the planes and ships only. given the vastness of the search area would it be useful to have more people scrutinizing the images? >> it is good in theory. the problem that seems to be recurring in this investigation, satellite imagery has produced, it is poured over. likely images are found an by the time it gets to actual searches in the air and water it is four days old and hard to locate whatever object corresponded to those images in the first place. >> the brother of the young lady on the flight says let's get this in to capable, international hands. why do you think there's been so much conflicting information the last three weeks? >> is that for me? >> yes. >> i think because -- actually the government and airline were way over their heads. they were overwhelmed with this. i think their intentions are wonderful, but i think their experience and ability to deal with something this magnitu

we also have jeff wise, author of "extreme fear." arthur rosenberg is a pilot and mary schiavo now represents victims of transportation accidents. and jeff beatty is a former cia and fbi and former delta force officer. arthur, looking at these transcripts from the cockpit, i have a question for you and richard from barbara, okay? here is what barbara says. barbara says, isn't co-pilot's "all right, good night" consistent with his lax attitude towards regs such as having ladies in the cockpit? >> first off, i guess i'm the guest that's going to disagree with richard. i think this transcript is very significant, and i'm looking down only because i'm looking at the transcript. the bottom line here is, at the time of the firsthandoff when they took off from the tower to the kuala lumpur radar atc, the co-pilot repeated the frequency, 132.6. as you move down the line, we get into what i believe to be the accident sequence. at 1:07, acars did the last report. we have the navigation change. >> what are you saying there? >> i'm saying at the

>> jeff wise? >> where is the rest of the data? >> dr. judy ho?ant to know what type of psychological evaluation they went under, the pilots, and if they had an opportunity for re-evaluation. >> jim tillman? >> an accurate and precise timeline that we can count on. >> mary? >> what maintenance was performed on that plane just a few days before this flight, and what maintenance did they not finish they said they had to finish the next time it was many the shop. >> tom? >> where is the crime scene? debris and the plane? >> hopefully we'll get answers to all of these questions. thank you for joining us. that's it for me. i'm don lemon. "ac 360" starts right now. >>> good evening. everyone. it's 11:00're on the east coast of the united states, 11:00 a.m. in kuala lumpur and western australia. there are new developments in flight 370 and new questions surrounding what appears to be a growing focus on the flight crew. we'll be very transparent about the sourcing here, because it is important. there's a contradiction. "usa today" citing a high ranking ma

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jef je je jeff wise? >> yes.idence that there was a planned attempt to abduct this plane. it's most likely somewhere. some plane is probably unfolding and continues to unfold. >> lauren russell says, have any ships used sonar to detect any wreckage on the sea floor? jeff beatty? >> i have not heard those reports yet. i know sonar equipment is being used. the plane may be hot but there may be great cargo. >> and could a satellite have hacked into the plane conducted altitude/waypoint maneuvers as a test? who is laughing at that? >> arthur. the answer is no. >> lauren russell said, is it possible that someone doing maintenance on the plane before it took off changed the flight plan leaving pilots unaware? patrick? >> no. look, we're going all james bond over this. i'm sure that what happened is a lot less elaborate than most of these theories. >> yeah. >> and i do not believe that the airplane is sitting out in a hangar. i do not believe that it was to be used later. it a fair riterrorist was going that, why not us

jim, you can beat up on jeff wise. first jim.ead, jim. >> i got to tell you, i don't think it is possible. and i don't think it was possible because this is a very, very tricky maneuver. it would take a lot of practice and a pilot with a lot of luck. >> i got 500 hours formation flying. formation joined by day is a tricky maneuver in an agile jet or helicopter. something with momentum of a 777, it is even harder. if you overlay the fact that it is at night, the only night formation i've done, 300 hours flying, senior instructor, very experienced, on night vision goggles, for me this is not a plausible option and not what we should be looking at. it is taking people right down the wrong route. we should be concentrating on the facts, getting back to whether the transponders and acars has been and focusing on that. this is pie in the sky. >> les? >> orchestrating something -- somebody is on the same route, it might be semiplausible. but the way this scenario was going out, there was a triangulation that had the airplane had to catc

. >> and to jeff wise, does not being able to locate the pingers mean they're not in the water, or are not close enough? >> the latter. they're only designed to be detectible for two miles. so, you want to design the search area based on elements above the surface. so, the answer is we need to get much closer. >> and what's your opinion of the information so far? >> well, i don't know if i'm qualified to give comments about that. i can say that the announcement by the malaysian government that there are no survivors does have legal implications to it. as well as the authority under the international investigation treaty to which they are a party. so, the information itself, there's been a lot of people participating in that. my big concern, if i were to represent one of the families, this announcement would take some of the intensity of the search away. >> do you think there would be any way to find out what happened without the debris? and this is for michael verna. finding the 777 is important, and until it's found, it's a matter of national security. some believe that. and to others

very key point. >> jeff wise, thank you for being with us.ews in a moment. jo john, thanks so much. we're following developments from seattle. the grim toll from a huge landslide this weekend. as many as 24 deaths. scores of people are still missing. many of them are feared dead. the hope of finding any survivors in mud that is 30 to 40 feet thick. cnn's anna cabrera live in arlington, washington. really tight knit communities. i can only imagine they're reeling. >> reporter: everybody is just heart broken, as you can imagine, but really pulling together with such strength and grace in this community during tough times, michaela. they're calling this a rescue and recovery operation. they acknowledge it's been four days since the landslide hit, haven't heard any signs of human life since saturday, but they believe in miracles and they're moving forward with the search with that sense of purpose and determination. but you do get a sense in this community that there is a cloud of grief that is now permeating the area. >> it's horrible because i

. >> jeff wise? >> when air france 447 went down under similar circumstances.ey initially sent a french nuclear attack submarine out and found it was almost of no use whatsoever. the way they found the wreckage is with a new technology, these autonomous underwater vehicles that could pilot themselves and that's how they found it. i suspect if they have good reason to believe it's on a certain patch of ocean floor, they'll use that technology. >> this is something new to cnn. this is a new animation of the plane route that we just got here at cnn. i want you guys to take a look at it and we'll talk more, especially since we have gotten now that new information, the breaking news about changing the coordinates. this is apparently the plane's route. that is where they believe it disappeared. does this offer any explanation for this southern arc, the indian ocean now? >> it does advance to some point the sheer amount of information. we know it came back across the malaysian peninsula. the question is, at that point, where the plane fades, does it continue in which

eddie von force is a security expert and jeff wise is the author of "extreme fear."ave been watching the coverage and watching the developments. i see you paying close attention. what stands out for you just within the last couple hours from this new reporting? >> i want to know what's going on with the pilots. i want to know what the malaysians know. did they go in, did they do an assessment, did they interview, what's the communication, what's the forensic profile of these two pilots that everybody now is focused on. i think that's the big issue. that's information we should have had again early on in the game, which is disturbing with this investigation. the route it's taking. it shouldn't take this long to get this plane. we should have been there day one. >> jeff? >> you know, it's hard to not keep coming back to this idea of these two arcs, these two physical locations on the planet where this plane was at 8:10 that fateful morning. so the prime minister of malaysia came out and made the point this is good data, the malaysians have been working through it over

we have jeff wise with us, science author.te a column and said this is unlike anything we have ever known before. unlike anything we've known before. why? >> just the sheer absence of information. planes go missing from time to time. not very often. from time to time they do go missing. only for a short period of time before wreckage is found, transmission is located, before there's some evidence. here we have complete absence of clues. that's unprecedented. >> the other thing is, this is not a small, you know privately owned airplane. this is a jetliner that trave e traverses the globe, redundant seasons on boa systems on board. talk about the technology transmitting information. >> there's ways airliners stay in information with the ground, a traffic controllers, with their own headquarters. you have first of all just a pilot can call the controller, call headquarters and say here i am. this is what's going on. a may day for example. that's active communication. then you have radar. commercial flights have secondary radar. r

. >> yeah, science journalist jeff wise is here to talk about this with us. hese two pieces of debris, if they turn out to be the wing, something of this plane, it's just the beginning in terms of investigation. >> yeah. now really is where the hard part starts if this is even a start at all. you know, this is very similar to what happened with air france 447, a plane goes missing over international waters, some debris is located and then comes the process of trying to work backwards from that debris on the surface to the location of the black boxes somewhere on the bottom of the ocean. inside those boxes are all the answers. we have to find it. >> but hasn't the technology improved even in the five years since that? i mean, you'd think that sort of lightspeed in technology terms. >> you know, i think we're going to have a lot better chances because of what happened in air france 447, the lessons we learned and the technology that's come online since then. when they first started looking they were using certain mathematical models to try to calculate the proba

clearly one for arthur rosenberg. >> i'm in jeff wise's camp on this one. think this was a well-conceived plan, was well-executed by smart people. we've been playing catchup since day one. the end game remains to be seen and i think this hasn't unfolded to its true wigs yet. >> mary schiavo, how do you lose a boeing 777 with today's technology but i can't park two minutes over at a meter without a dchl amn ticket? >> meter maids. when you're over the ocean you have nothing but secondary radar and we don't have the aviation cops where we need them. >> go ahead. >> one for you, patrick smith. it comes from erica mc knight. why don't airliners such as flight 370 have any cameras on board or in the cockpit? >> i don't see how that would help sni don't help. i don't see that germain to this. >> that would have helped. >> we're all playing arm chair investigators here. us and everybody watching. we just don't have enough information yet and we need to sit back and stop all of the crazy speculation and see what happens. i think we'll get to the bottom of this even

jim, you can beat up on jeff wise. first jim., i don't think it is possible. and i don't think it was possible because this is a very, very tricky maneuver. it would take a lot of practice and a pilot with a lot of luck. >> i got 500 hours formation flying. formation joined by day is a tricky maneuver in an agile jet or helicopter. something with momentum of a 777, it is even harder. if you overlay the fact that it is at night, the only night formation i've done, 300 hours flying, senior instructor, very experienced, on night vision goggles, for me this is not a plausible option and not what we should be looking at. it is taking people right down the wrong route. we should be concentrating on the facts, getting back to whether the transponders and acars has been and focusing on that. this is pie in the sky. >> les? >> orchestrating something -- somebody is on the same route, it might be semiplausible. but the way this scenario was going out, there was a triangulation that had to get drbt airplane had to catch, just too much. >> b

our analysts, jeff wise, is back and dr.ob arnot, a pilot and long-time aviation consultant. >> jeff, it seems like a specific number that the satellites picked up on sunday. obviously, malaysian and australian officials are cautiously optimistic. >> we feel like we have been down this road before. debris is spotted and the search teams go out and try to find it. so far, we are empty-handed. they are 12 hours ahead of us. they have already been out and come back. once again, they haven't found it. so, tomorrow, hopefully, it will be the lucky day. it has to be somewhere. so hopefully we will find the right spot. >> it is making people crazy they haven't been able to. the satellites picked them up. why can't we locate them. it is such a vast area. we need to remind people of. >> we haven't looked in the right place yet. we haven't looked in real time at the ocean. we are seeing all this stuff on the satellite. by the time we get there four days later, it is heavy currents and chaotic currents. if it was there four days ago, i

. >> jeff wise? >> we have been waiting for the shoe to drop for more than two weeks now.t we got was the most tantalizingly, unsatisfying thread of a resolution and i wonder why the malaysians timed it the way they did. it's like after days of searching it was on the verge of turning something up and it was called off. and it's as if they give us this just to end and resolve the matter but it doesn't feel like a resolution. >> thanks to my panel. i'm don lemon. that's it for us tonight. that's it for us tonight. "ac360" starts right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> good evening, it is 11:00 on the east coast and 11:00 a.m. on the west coast of australia. the search for mh-307 has been ended due to bad weather. the effort has become a recovery mission and that no one on board survived. that from malaysian authorities. that conclusion is based in large part on a sophisticated analysis of the last electronic pings with an orbiting satellite. you will hear how it was done by the

otherwise, it is supposition. >> you're shaking your head in agreement, jeff wise. >> i heard from my sources too that primary radar is very inaccurate at determining altitude. and, you know, again, i think the point you raise is excellent, don, why are we hearing about this now? especially in the context of these conflicting reports about whether the acars is indicating a change in way point before 15 minutes or wherever, it seems very odd that this information should come out so late or should be changed so late. should have been clear. >> does this support or change your theory about what happened to 370? >> i think we all have a probability matrix of what happened. i don't know what happened to this airplane. i ascribe higher probability to certain outcomes than other people would. short answer, no. >> maria schiavo, should the new information change the scope of the search? should they call off this northern corridor search or i think it changes it when it comes to the southern search, not necessarily the northern search. >> that's right. the northern search, they didn't seem to

jeff wise, arthur rosenberg, also mary schiavo, an attorney for victims of transportation accidents. captain bobby skoaly, richard, despite what malaysian authorities are saying are we any closer to finding this plane? >> we are a lot closer to knowing the whereabouts of the aircraft. what the inmarsat evidence today along with the aaib and what we learned from the malaysian government is we can rule out the northern corridor. this plane went down in the southern corridor and by the words of the inmarsat, in the south indian ocean. >> mary, can you remember a time when a conclusion was made about a plane crash without a known crash site or any debris found at all? >> no, i really can't. and also i can't remember a time when the conclusion was drawn this early. in fact, the ntsb is usually criticized for dragging things out much longer and having a series of hearings. this is rather early and to narrow it down to those four potential causes with no evidence is irregular, i link. >> a similar question to mile o'brien, miles, it is unusual to say something happened and to say the plane

here to analyze this is jeff wise who's been with us throughout this whole thing. let me show you the new search area. this is the old search area in green and the new search area up here in red. they call that a refinement. you don't buy that. >> that's not a refinement. that's a replacement. they're actually making the search area bigger and they're looking somewhere else. you have to look at that language a little bit skeptically. >> you've been looking at the inmarsat data which showed the plane coming down here south, having these periodic handshakes. to your credit, you've been saying all along that it's very possible they're searching in the wrong search area. >> basically they've been modelling the flight path on this inmarsat data. if you assume it was traveling at constant speed, you can see the arc. if you imagine it came out to the west and came to the south and flew at a certain speed, if we know the speed, we know the path that it took. pretty much you wind up in the green square with their assumption. we assume they had some data that would lead them

i want to bring in les abend, jeff wise. les is author of "extreme fear" and jeff a 777 pilot.the families, devastating news this morning. it does validate the focus investigators have put and searchers have put on that southern corridor, that southern area off the coast of perth. >> yeah, in a sense, it really only validates what had become the consensus view about the likely outcome of this flight. and it also, again, shows how key this inmarsat data is. first gave the final arc where the plane was known to have wound up and then further analysis gave a likely route. and now this seems to have given us that final piece of the puzzle, which direction it headed. >> it also seems to confirm, les, that this plane was flying for some six to seven hours from the time that it made that turn, which is an extraordinary -- it covered an extraordinary distance. we still don't know why, we still don't know how, or exactly what altitude it was flying or why it went in the water. >> it's true. but as devastating as this is for the families and all of us here, really, this is a positive thi

science journalist jeff wise is here once again. we had you here yesterday.g that at that point it was just sort of a fringe possibility. today you feel like it might be more real. >> you know, it's really difficult. the one bedrock principle of this story is it's so difficult to come to any definitive conclusion. we're surrounded by the fog of uncertainty. but as these threads of information gradually emerge, some seem to bolster one another, some seem to fade away. when it first happened, all the reporting on this subject was it's a crash, it went down somewhere in the vicinity of malaysia. it's becoming increasingly likely that this was not an accident. if these recent reuters reports are accurate, this plane was flown on a deliberate heading to the west on a zigzag course towards the andaman is lands. >> give me a sign post to you which point to theft. >> very soon after the incident happened, there were reports of supposedly coming from malaysian military that they had tracks on their radar of a flight descending and turning to the west. and at the time,

jeff wise said every day we report something that would have been preposterous the day before and now it seems plausible and real. and if there's a value of this media overkill, if you will, or just kill, is that the malaysian government, for example, does not seem to be very responsive. .it's possible that the ma lashan government's disinterest in getting involved with this at the time the airplane was still in the air might have cost people their lives. >> you have to lay that against the reality of the networks going overboard on this, that there's all this airtime to fill and relatively too fast with which to fill it. it's disaster porn, and that always gets ratings. the international intrigue and mystery with this one, it leads to some very sloppy reporting. that's the problem here. you point out, jim, that there was retorting rumors the previous day that are facts today. well, what are the sources for these? right now, they're fingering the pilot. well, the sources for that i saw in the stories were officials with direct knowledge of the thinking of officials. that sounds like p

jeff wise is a familiar face. he is a pilot and author. you have written some articles about this.have some theories about why cell phone calls were made. >> i think people get a false idea or misconception of what cell phones can do. in fact, if you are at altitude, you can't make a cell phone call. the signal is too weak. cell phone towers mostly aim their signal down, because that's where most cell phones are, on the ground. they don't want you to use them in airplanes. at 30,000 feet, you can't use a cell phone. now, what about you flighted 93? people don't remember that in those days, airplanes used to have these things called air phones. one seat in every row had a phone in the back. you could swipe a credit card. it costs like $7 a minute. they weren't very popular. they wound up being phased out. most of the calls made from 9/11 were from air phones. >> the altitude was a lot lower. >> only toward the end of the flight when the plane came down below 10,000 feet, even lower. a few phone calls able to come through. >> i want to talk about something that's an awful thing to co

out front to talk about it are richard quest, jeff wise a private pilot and aviation journalist, robertand jim tillman. thanks very much for doing this. jeff, this issue of the diego garcia. obviously, this is something that's pretty much been dismissed as one of those water cooler conversations. there was a reason this one came occupy, right? >> apparently investigators look at the captain's flight simulator. there's been a lot of speculation why he had a flight simulator. they went in there and looked into the computer files. and lo and behold there was diego garcia logged into among the places he visited. so logical conclusion perhaps, maybe he wasn't to diego garcia. unfortunately it's not in the areas we've now determined it must have been that morning. what's more, they've checked diego garcia and it wasn't there. so that one. >> we would have known it was there, obviously, as richard was saying during the commercial. robert, you know, a lot of people -- this spawns the other set of theories which is could someone have shot this plane down and don't want to admit it? >> yeah, that

. >> two pilots join us, john l u lucich and jeff wise. pilot made a phone call some eight minutes before the flight departed. richard quest says he doesn't see a red flag. let's start with you, jeff. any concern? >> we all make cell phone calls all the time. nothing inherently suspicious. we would all love to know to whom that call was made. >> you want to know the last person he spoke with before the flight took off. >> it is easy to imagine if this person was about to undertake some kind of life-changing adventure, the last person they talked to would probably be a significant choice. >> something else that is being discussed today, because of how far this plane may have flown, the search area they are in now, the debris that they are at least looking for, people are wondering, how far can a plane go when it runs out of fuel. this plane may have been flying for a very, very long time, jon. what would have happened? would it glide to a calm stop or when it runs out of fuel, did it end up crashing into the sea in a violent way? >> we know

and jeff wise, author of "extreme fear." we're looking at the northern path and southern path. i want to play something that our security analyst, former cia said to him, when i asked him about flying north, why they're looking south now. flying north. why some people are saying that may be insignificant but you guys believe it is because of the tracking systems. listen. >> i've been in those radar sites. they've fallen apart. there's not much there. you know, u.s. radar helping pick something up that the locals wouldn't necessarily see it. kazakhstan's not much better. there are fields in kazakhstan where you could land conceivably, abandoned military fields, put it in a warehouse. that is just so fantastic, i just would find it difficult to arrive at that conclusion. but, you know, you can't rule it out. >> jeff, that is a direct contradiction of most of the reporting that's going on. >> yeah, what we're seeing from a lot of officials this idea it had to have taken the southern route because the northern route has too much military radar. we're seeing reports from roiters and

>> jeff wise, yeah. >> you alluded to the importance of facts getting out.been a lot of complaints that i've been following the coverage. a lot of complaints about the malaysian authorities. and look, they're not the united states. we have the most advanced communications in transportation infrastructure in the world. we've got a fantastic ntsb. it's unfair to judge the malaysians on the basis of our own agency. and people who are complaining about the malaysians now, the reason that the malaysians are in charge of the investigation now is that nobody knows where the plane is. and it's a malaysian flag carrier. the instant that that plane turns up somewhere else, it will become the jurisdiction of that country. so if this plane turns up in burma, in pakistan, in afghanistan, or wherever it may turn up, there's a lot of places that will be way worse than malaysia. so i think we should go a lit easy on criticizing the malaysians. >> i'm not so sure about that. i think having spoken to this poor woman last night, i think we should be going harder on the malaysi

martin savidge live in the 777 simulator and also with me miles o'brien, cnn aviation analyst and jeff wiseilot and aviation journalist and another familiar face who flies the boeing 777 and also a cnn aviation analyst. mooil myl, es, i want to start with you. how did it get there? i'm curious what you thought about deadly fumes that could have incapacitated the passengers and the crew so there was no intent, but created some sort of zombie plane on auto pilot? >> hard to come up with that scenario to make that one work, erin. first of all, we know whatever problem may have occurred with the pressurization system or what might have caused these fumes wasn't happening as they took off? they had a fairly uneventful first part of their flight, got to 35,000 feet and everything was working up to the point when they said that good night, or so it seemed. if there was a problem with depressurization, presumably they would have get some sort of radio call off because they would have heard elarms indicating there was a problem. was there some sort of fire or fumes that took hold? both the flight cr

jeff wise is here to talk through some of these things.rn, so why don't we walk through some of these technological advances that could be question mark made. cameras in the cockpit. one thing that i think people fine surprising in this age of modern technology is that, you know, there aren't more images and data coming from the cockpit. what about putting a camera in the cockpit? >> it would technologically be the simplest thing in the world. the reason it hasn't been done is because pilots don't want intrusion into their privacy. it's a pilots union issue. and there also is the question what would we learn? we got the cockpit audio. what additional would we know from being able to look at them. these are people sitting in chairs and manipulating controls. now there are cases where people have broken into the cockpits and things have happened like that. with all these things we're talking about right now it's a question of cost versus benefit. this will cost money. what do we get. what we have to remember about this incident it's unpreced

here to talk through the latest challenges in this search is jeff wise. put that satellite image up there one more time. this picture again taken from thailand, a satellite from thailand, showing 300 objects they say, 120 miles from where the frempl -- french satellite spotted. >> this is consistent with the kind of data we've been getting for days now. it's very enticing looking with lots of potential aircraft wreckage. we just need to get on the surface, look at this stuff across up and determine -- close up and determine if it is or not. >> you said too much debris may not be a good thing? >> if you have ten pieces that are 60 feet across, that would indicate that they're not from the plane because the plane has only so much stuff in it. it actually starts to decrease the chances. >> which is why they need to get there and see it by plane or boat. it is such a challenge right now for these searchers. you have all the currents in the area right there, including that bright current. you can see some of the most powerful currents in the world. that's just

joining us is jeff wise. nice to have you on.urnalist and many of us are reading your pieces to see what you are seeing here. out of the gate, you look at the pictures and the clusters, if you will, of the possible debris fields, what do you see? >> when you look at it, it's hard to recognize something that looks really airplane-like. you remember air france 447, the iconic image of the air france tail fin, the red, white, and blue. you knew in a glance that's what we were talking about. any of the images for weeks now, it really has that resonance. it could be different parts of the airplane and different states of having fallen apart and so forth. that's not to say this is not the real deal. at the same time day after day, we have been tantalized by the evidence. >> that's right. a perfect word. you want to see more. it's frustrating that these searchers on the sea and in the air are having a hard time getting to the material. you would think did we see it? it's there. >> not that easy. they had to bail yesterday because the we

jeff wise. let's begin and get an idea of exactly how this system works.to our understanding of how they used the data. >> we're using the system for a purpose it was not ooshlgly intended. it's communications. basically, the satellite says, are you there, yeah i'm here, and then they talk. the system that talks on the plane was shut off, but the one that says, yeah, i'm here, was still working. so the satellite's here, the plane is somewhere out there. >> okay. >> so the plane says yo, i'm here. that's it. nothing further was discussed. normally, that the not very much information. the inmarsat engineers said, what can we derive from this information. how about how long it took the plane to respond? you can figure out how far it is. imagine you're in a darkened room and you have a piece of string -- >> why don't i move onto this one. >> sure. >> 211 we get this ping. >> imagine we don't know where that ping is. we know it's a certain distance away. it could be here. it's somewhere on this circle, okay? >> okay. >> now, so then it so happens that -- at thi

we have jeff wise and a contributing editor to "popular mechanics" magazine and he's the author of "extremecal failure is what we're going to start with here. jeff, i'll start with you because you're standing next to me. what is the factual basis for the notion that what happened to flight 370 involved mechanical failure? >> very little. very little to none. we have no evidence that there has been mechanical failure. it looks pretty certain, according to investigators, that the initial deviation from the planned flight route was a deliberate act. whether it was a mechanical failure later, we don't know. there was no evidence. >> when we look at the transponder, okay, the transponder gets turned off. do we know that it had to be turned off? >> right. so it was turned off at least 18 minutes before the route deviation took place. >> we know that it was manually turned off how? because that's the issue. it went off. do we know that it was turned off? >> i'm sorry, the transponder, yes. the transponder was turned off within the cockpit. that happened before the route was changed and so we know

. >> cnn aviation analyst peter goelz and jeff wise and robert arnott. thank all three of you for being with us. >> we pleasure. >> so this hunt continues for the black boxes. and the search for them, of course, could help solve the mystery of malaysian airline flight 370. we're going to take you to the ntsb lab and give you a demonstration of how this works. >> have you heard about the earthquake that rocked los angeles for the second time in two weeks overnight? we're going to show you the video that we're getting in this morning. i've quit for 75 days. 15 days, but not in a row. for the first time, you can use nicorette even if you slip up, so you can reach your goal. now, quit on your own terms with nicorette or nicoderm cq. ido more with less with buless energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy. multiply that across over a thousand locations, and they'll provide the same benefit to the environment as over 60,000 trees.

wise, soucie, all the experts i've been talking to. one of the classic things you do with analysis, you go backwards in time. what can happen before. specifically david and jeff asked me, what can we learn from satellite imagery of a similar incident like this before. we begin looking at the air france incident over the past couple of days, my colleagues all source analysis. what can satellite imagery tell us in this specific instance, what happened with air france back in 2009. a couple things that are important to me that came out of it, while we're still looking at data, that incident five days after the plane crashed into the ocean, people began to actually find debris. as you said at the top of the hour, we're talking about 24 days later in the disappearing malaysian airliner. this is an incredible challenge, debris, recovery area, it underscores the complexity what we're trying to deal w i think we're moving forward, getting more information every day but this is a really difficult challenge. >> it is, indeed. thanks to all of you gentlemen. i appreciate that stay with me. we're going to talk much more about this, this ongoing investigation which contin