jeffrey, jeffrey george, everybody. i mean you, i, we were all in agreement. it's ubiquitous, i mean, it's everywhere. okay. i mean, so, i mean, even, even if it's not it's, you know, more it no more than skin deep. i mean, it is always with us. i mean, with the us went through this russia gate nonsense here, and it continues here. so, i mean, we could talk about, you know, how disturbing or dangerous it is, but it is ubiquitous. and i think that's i find it very, very curious because, you know, any, go to la vladimir here in mosque. i mean, it's like a one size fits all of your problems. are because of and then you point the finger . a great piece piece are great. you big, ubiquitous, of my argument is that many respects it's quite superficial and how it lacks purchase at the societal as i to live at some point. i'm trying to bring a gun to your question about yes, i'm in rush into the western politics on that down. there are kind of, i guess it's a, i'm joe. i touched on russia. i stay aggression and didn't themselves on, on the defense, it will close as a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration across . it's not on the police search by the rooster a d e night. so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's ashley. it's not russia's problem. i mean, why it's not by russian from others. it's a pretty c, e used probabilities to problem with the use the migration policy for the sub watch examining the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very current watch, aggressive policy across all he used front is the other figure is, is this pointed to russia. well, ag, deborah, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing. here we go to vladimir before we go to the break, you wanna comment anything we've just said here. go ahead. vladimir. yeah, i agree with a cyber a particular with, with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular may be what i find fascinating. his identity of this liberal elite yet that so there you show that it may be, it was like right, wingers or was capitol of socialist russia of khomeini's said whatever there was always in on the fifty's in the sixty's. they were always blamed. blaming their openings were beam, software communism solve soft on their ads. now somehow they laughed has to find their bottom of their identity, and they have fallen old backwards by blame in russia. i remember when there was a, you know, competing among democrats to sort of up seat upset trump. and the roy would watch the debates of democrats and it was the nicholas people who, who are like a local governance who don't know anything or they wouldn't find rash. on the map, despite his big size, and they will well dual booting, these old you quick, i'm glad i'm here. hold that thought here we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on perceptions of rush and stay with our team with and he really so thing they can't ride on police report. it's an all cash in december 2020. a group of anti finishes. fill out a film crew access for 3 months. so like if people, organization, if an idea that it must be opposed that channel out the gate route, they may kill their faces, but they can see what they believe in. we believe in helping our community. we believe that fascism is one of the major threats to the united states has gotten reuben, this is a chance to see who and t for really are in order for me to extract my 1st amendment right and say that my life matters have to be on to the teeth that, that, that's all american rejects from the police. we can't trust the government. we can't trust anyone except ourselves to protect ourselves in provo, driven by dream shaped banks control center. those in in there's sinks, we dare to ask in a water around the try, a seal island in contention between canada and the united states. northern gulf, a maintenance suddenly become optimal for lobster. our populations here is exploded . one of the most valuable fisheries that's ever existed. suddenly you had me and canadian fishermen in these waters. at the same time jousting for position and attention or high violence is bound to happen. this is the last land border dispute between canada and the united states. it could be magnified to the point where there could be costs that would be significant to hold countries. border disputes don't go away, they just fester. something's going to happen with a welcome back across stock were all things are considered. i'm peter level to remind you we're discussing perceptions of russia. ah okay, want to go back to vladimir and finish up a point we were making up before we went to the break. i'm glad we, we all seem to be in agreement here. that risk phobia is an elite issue here. i mean, why is it just the elite here? and, and it's very, very interesting considering the type of vitriol that is a directed against russia by the elite in the media. it's really interesting that those of us that live here in russia is not reciprocated. there is not that kind of animosity directed against americans are in the british or something like that. it's not reciprocal. it's a very weird phenomenon. so vladimir, why is it in a lead phenomenon? because i think we're all in agreement. when it gets into the population, most people kind of whole arm. they like chikavsky. don't scab skis. great. okay, great. so be a film. so, you know, i mean it's really a mixed bag here, but the, at the very top it's very different. why go ahead? well, why, why? the reason i would suggest is that i think most of the, a western western lead fray and germans were, they were, they are very much americanized. and that's whether we're like it or not. that's a power of american media or american propaganda. all american powell shaped discourse and american liberal in our discourse is now so shift in the 60s, as i said in early barrels or, or other sympathetic towards a soviet union. now i was all the saw that it became the center of wall. this were beth veins, conservatives this and that. so americans are the dictates a discourse and i think a lot of french intellectual, sorry, leads, or whatever they study here. s. and they, and they sort of a one way or another by as much as they repeat it. but what would i find very disturbing about this? the shift is this, the same liberal elite which it seems to be running in or like at least media in most of the western counties. they would, it would be, it would be, you know, would we stop right away, blame in any other group because it is right politically, it's not political, correct. but somehow, political correctness stops at the doors of russia in all bets are off and they come up with is mostly because a kind of a. 1 conspiracy theories, russians and walton this rationalism that can you imagine, you know, any western, but he's not blaming any other county, you know, from aerobic wall israel. less than that he would now imagine it is pointing the finger that they are behind it. it'd be v r screamed and people will be viewed as anti semis, whatever. but it's, it's absolutely fine for this most in the sophisticated, liberal obedience to blame russia for god knows what and i, i find it disturbing. but basically it's, it's saying, i think a i, if a big a big daddy in your uncle, sam is doing it. that means, you know, i'm in a little german station or little french station. i can repeat that to them. oh, yeah, exactly. it's really quite interesting, i'm glad they vladimir brought up all that because during the cold war there was an ideological conflict, a very, very real one. okay. very easy to discern here. but the cold war is over. russia is no longer a communist country. it actually has no state ideology to speak up, which i by regrettable at times. okay. it seems to me the animal that the west has to rush is that russia does simply won't accept neil liberal ideology. that is its greatest sin. okay. he will not become like the west, and on top of it, russia and russians have the ability to say, no, we don't want your political correctness. we don't want your woken as we don't want any of it. we can watch it on netflix, but keep it in to yourselves. we're not interested in it. they the west hate rush of that. go ahead. zavion paris. yes, i tree. there is a 2 point, a 1st one. russia is seen by the french elite or as a conservative power. woo, pray, bitten her to get pride will prevented the wedding sir. gay wedding. her. and we will her always support such country like her and gary her and that kind of her of since. so are for the french elite whizzer, mostly lifted oriented, her either either ocoee enemy. the 2nd point is like, is or that russia is like a therapy for our elite when something went wrong. or we need to find a wood, we can take o responsibility. so we need to find some, somebody we can take the the guilt and it happened with the brakes. it bracing did up and because of their opinion, and he's a complete failure. but because russia organized refund them to support johnson who everybody knows that is a very, a fan of russia. look at what happened during the cubic crises, france is, or one of the country were, was the worst managed during his crises. sir, is a micron sir, the macro, no management of the crises is a complete failure. but look at our mid. yes, it's her always talking about, always it worse in russia. her, that the delay about the figures and so on and so on. so russia was, or was it a therapy for the, for the french, leftist elite enter, it will continue because it's very, as you say is it's very her comfortable and lazy approach. and geoffrey, a comfortable and lazy approach. i couldn't say it better. i think that's absolutely true. i mean, donna, are potent god trump elected president. oh, europe will freeze this winter because a potent, well no, it's just because of european incompetence. okay. that's why you have an energy problem. there's actually ample energy in the world that just manage very badly. okay. oh and oh, but since, which adds all its energy, it must be, it's fun, it's fun. i mean, these people don't make any sense because, but then again, very few people and this program is we push back because it's not hard to push back against all of these ridiculous commentaries. go ahead. jeff and cork. yeah, yeah. you agree? yeah, yes, it is very, a comfortable, lazy, tommy, go. russia. but your politicians don't. i'm not just of console likely relation to roy, russia, jewelry, in my experience, a company liaison relationship to many issues. so i'm not sure there are fair fair . i can't be. i agree with the statement that rushes conservatism and it's resistance and push back against certain forms of western liberalism is, is part of her power was going on in terms of her western prejudice also that she towards russia. but also, i think there's also not fundamental jail political issue here, which is russia's, you know, challenge to, to, to a western dominated world. older the russian will turn a 2 a 2 inch to the so called western rules. rose rose, placed older, and also the fundamental failure of the west to actually contain and deal with the problem of russia in the post cold warriors, the reemergence of russia as a great power on it. since it's assertion of his interests and you know, challenging barris' as fans, and i'm with lisa kathy, it's not just a question of prejudice. so laziness on a fault. western politicians from their perspective, russia does present a real problem real challenge. any is a real problem. and on how to render on route to route came and met vladimir. i mean, you, how can you talk um, sanely, dispassionately about geo politics and at the same time, talk about rules base order, which i have no idea what that is about to me. it sounds like our way or the highway. that's what that phrase means to me. i mean is that the, it's a, it's a mistake. it's a fools, aaron, to, but say, geo politics. and then you can kind of ideological preferences. i mean, you have to separate them. but if you put, when you put them together, you end up getting this kind of rules based order. ideology, which means are, are rules and you have to be ordered. okay? and you can do both at the same time. and russia says no to both at the same time. again, that's one of the reasons why these a leads hate russia so much. you know, i agree with jeffrey that, that is, you know, that it's time to reconsider relationship with roger. but many, many, you know, politicians ill lazy or just in or they get used to read it. when you're harry jen . yong charl do you can say to, to this boy or girl don't do that and they would listen to when the child is 25. you can do this anymore is requires a different approach while the west a but additionally they don't want a different approach. you will know it's not in the door. raja is a major energy player. russia is a major culture power. raj is a major play in terms of, you know, climate, you know, it has a biggest territory. walk on this as it should be the 1st one to be considered in our, to, into the game. so it's time to sit down and negotiate. but in our it's much easier to do with a 10 year old child say do what your dad, he says or it. but this just shows an, a failure to prepare. i would also say in terms of media is a further really to understand or understand anything. you do have to inve

jeffrey jeffrey george, everybody. i mean you, i, we were all in agreement. it's ubiquitous. i mean, it's everywhere. ok, i mean, so, i mean, even, even if it's not it's, you know, more it no more than skin deep. i mean, it is always with us. i mean, with the us went through this russia gate nonsense here and it continues here. so, i mean, we could talk about, you know, how disturbing or dangerous it is, but it is ubiquitous. and i think that i find it very, very curious because, you know, it may go to la vladimir here in mosque. i mean, it's like a one size fits all of your problems. are because of and then you point the finger . a great piece piece are great. you big, you ubiquitous, of my argument is that many respects it's quite superficial and how it lacks purchase at the society. so as i to live at some point, i'm trying to bring a gun to your question about yes, i'm rushing to the western politics on that down. there are kind of i dancing until i touched on russia. i stay aggression and themselves on, on the defense. it will close as a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration across . it's not on the polish better by the rooster a d e a night. so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's ashley. it's not rough is problem. i mean why it's not by russian from others from is a pretty c e u. probabilities to probably be use the migration policy for the sub watch examining the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very current watch, aggressive policy across all he used front is the other figure is pointed to russia . well ag, deborah, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing. here we go to vladimir before we go to the break, you wanna comment anything we've just said here. go ahead. vladimir. yeah, i agree with cyber a particular with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular, maybe what i find fascinating is identity of this liberal elite that there you show that it may be, it was like right wingers or was capitol of socialist russia of khomeini's said whatever there was always in on the fifty's in the sixty's, they were always blame. blaming their openings were being software communism solve soft on their ads. now somehow they laughed has to find their bottle, their identity, and they have fallen old backwards by blame in russia. i remember when there was a in campaign among democrats, so sort of up seat obscene trump. and the roy would watch the debates of democrats and it was the nicholas people who, who are like a local governance who don't know anything or they wouldn't find rash on the map despite his big size. and they will well dual booting, these old you quick, i'm glad of me. hold that thought here we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on perceptions of rush and stay with our team. there's a pack of water around the try, a seal island in contention between canada and the united states. north domain has suddenly become possible for loss or populations. here is exploded. one of the most valuable fisheries that ever existed. suddenly you had made an canadian fisherman in these waters. at the same time jousting for position and attention are high, violence is bound to happen. this is the last land border dispute between canada and the united states. it could be magnified to the point where there could be costs that would be significant to hope countries. quarter disputes don't go away. they just ask her. something's going to happen. join me every posted on the alex salmon. sure. i'll be speaking to guess on the world politics sport. business. i'm show business. i'll see you then. oh, he's he very so thing. they can't ride on police report. it's an all cash in december 2020. a group of anti finishes. sell out a film crew access for 3 months. so like if people are organization, if an idea that is a must be opposed, channel out the gate while they may kill their faces. but they can say what they believe in. we believe in helping our community. we believe that fascism is one of the major threats to the united states has gotten proven. this is a chance to see who and t for really are in order for me to extract my 1st amendment right and say that my life matters have to be on to the teacher that i fall america's. we can't trust the police, we can't trust the government. we can't trust anyone except ourselves to protect ourselves in with welcome back to crop stock. were all things are considered? i'm peter level to remind you, we're discussing perceptions of russia. ah. okay. want to go back to vladimir and finish up a point wait while we're making up before we went to the break. i'm glad we, we all seem to be in agreement here that russo phobia is an elite issue here. i mean, why is it just the elite here and, and it's very, very interesting considering the type of vitriol that is a directed against russia by the elite in the media. it's really interesting that those of us that live here in russia is not reciprocated. there is not that kind of animosity directed against americans or in the british or something like that. it's not reciprocal. it's very weird phenomena. so vladimir, why is it in a lead phenomenon? because i think we're all in agreement and it gets sent to the population. most people kind of whole arm. they like chikavsky. don't scared skis. great. okay, great. so be it films, you know, i mean it's really a mixed bag here, but the, at the very top it's very different. why go ahead? well, why one? the reason i would suggest is that i think most of the, a western western lead fray and germans were, they were, they are very much americanized. and that's what we're like it or not. that's a power of american media or american propaganda or american power shaped discourse . and i medically, bureau, you know, discourse ease. now this is of shift in the sixty's, as i said, you know, early barrels or other sympathetic towards a soviet union. now i was all the saw that it became the center of wall. this were beth, these conservatives this and that. so americans are the dictates a discourse and i think a lot of french intellectual story leads or whatever they study here. s. and they in a sort of a one way or another by as much as they repeated. but what would i find very disturbing about this? the shift is this, the same liberal elite which seems to be running in or like at least media in most of the western counties. there would be, it would be, you know, would we stop right away? blame in any other group because it is right politically, it's not political, correct, but somehow, political correctness stops at the doors of russia in all bets are off and they come up with is mostly because a kind of. 1 a conspiracy theories russians rolton this rationalism that can you imagine, you know, any western point, he should blame in any other county, you know, from aerobic world, israel, less than that, he would now imagine it pointing the finger that they are behind it. it'd be v r screamed and people will be viewed as anti semites, whatever. but it's absolutely fine for this most in the sophisticated, liberal obedience to blame. russia forgot, knows what and i, i find a disturbing, but basically it's, it's sara, are they care if a big a big daddy in your uncle, sam is doing it. that means i'm in a little german station or little french station. i can repeat that to them. oh yeah, exactly. it's really quite interesting. i'm glad they vladimir brought up all that because during the cold war there was an ideological conflict, a very, very real one. okay. very easy to discern here, but the cold war is over. russia is no longer a communist country. it actually has no state ideology to speaker, which i by regrettable at times. okay. it seems to me the animal that the west has to rush is that russia does simply won't accept neil liberal ideology. that is its greatest sin. okay. he will not become like the west. and on top of it, russia and russians have the ability to say, no, we don't want your political correctness. we don't want your woken as we don't want any of it. we can watch it on netflix, but keep it in to yourselves. we're not interested in it. the, the west hates rush of about go ahead. zavion paris. yeah, i 3, there is a 2 point. the 1st one russia is seen by the french elite or as a conservative borrower. whoo, prohibited her to get pride were privy to the wedding. sir. the gay wedding, her and we will, her always support such country like her and gary her and such kind offer of sinks . so our further french elite whizzer mostly lift oriented it easy, that is the arc enemy. the 2nd point is like, is or that russia is like a therapy for our elite. when some seeing it went wrong, or we need to find the, or would we can take o responsibility. so we need to find some somebody we can take the the guilt and it happened with the brakes it bracing did at up and because of their opinion. and he's accomplished feder. but because russia organizing refund them to support dunsen, who, everybody knows that is a very early, a fresher look at what happened during the cookies crises, france is, are one of the country we were, was the worst managed during this crazy. so as a micron. so the macro, no management of the crazies is a complete failure. but look at our mid. yes, it's are always talking about always it were us in russia, or that the delay about the figures and so on and so on. so russia was always a therapy for the, for the french leftist elite, and it will continue because it's very, as you say is it's very her comfortable and lazy approach. and jeffrey, a comfortable and lazy approach, i couldn't say it better. i think that's absolutely true. i mean, donna, are putin god trump elected president, r o europe will freeze this winter because a potent well, now it is because of european incompetence. okay, that's why you have an energy problem. there's actually ample energy in the world. just manage very badly. okay. oh and oh, but since russia has all its energy, it must be, it's fun, it's fun. i mean, these people don't make any sense because, but then again, very few people and this program is we push back because it's not hard to push back against all of these ridiculous commentaries. go ahead. jeff and cork. yeah, yeah. it's a creature. yes. is very, a casual, lazy tommy, go russia. but your politicians don't. i'm not just our council lighting relation to ra russia. jewelry, in my experience, a couple laser relationship to many issues. i'm not sure there are fair fair. i can't be. i agree with the state. my search rushes conservatis

jeffrey, jeffrey george, everybody. i mean you, i, we were all in agreement. it's ubiquitous. i mean, it's everywhere. okay. i mean, so, i mean, even, even if it's not it's, you know, more it no more than skin deep. i mean, it is always with us. i mean, with the us went through this, russia gate nonsense here, and it continues here. so, i mean, we could talk about, you know, how disturbing or dangerous it is, but it is ubiquitous. and i think that i find it very, very curious because, you know, it may go to la vladimir here in mosque. i mean it's like a one size fits all of your problems. are because of and then you point the finger . i agree peter. peter grits you. big, ubiquitous, of my argument is that many respects it's course superficial and how it lacks purchase at the societal as i to look at some point, i'm trying to make a gun to your question about yes. in relation to the western politics on that down, there are kind of, i guess it's a, i'm joe. i touched on russia. i stay aggressor and didn't to themselves on, on the defense, it will close as a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration cross. it's on, on polish, better by the rooster. a nice. so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's actually, it's not russia's problem, is why it's not russian promot, others don't. it's a pretty use problem. missed is to probably be use a migration policy, but it's not watch exactly the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very come across the policy across all he used front is the other figure is, is pointed to russia and jeffrey, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing here. let me go to vladimir before we go to the break. you wanna comment anything we've just said here. go ahead. vladimir. yeah, i agree with a very particular with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular, maybe what i find fascinating is identity of this liberal elite that, that so are you sure it, it may be, it was like right wingers or was capitol of socialist russia, khomeini's said whatever there was always in on the fifty's in the sixty's, they were always blame. blaming their openings were being software communism solve soft on their ads. now somehow they left has to find their bottom of their identity and they have fallen old backwards by blame in russia. i remember when there was a, you know, competing among democrats to sort of up seat upset trump in the row. i would watch the debates of democrats and it was ridiculous people who, who are like a local governance could don't know anything or they wouldn't find r

jeffrey, jeffrey george, everybody. i mean you, i, we were all in agreement. it's ubiquitous. i mean, it's everywhere. okay. i mean, so, i mean, even, even if it's not it's, you know, more it no more than skin deep. i mean, it is always with us. i mean, with the us went through this, russia gate nonsense here, and it continues here. so, i mean, we could talk about, you know, how disturbing or dangerous it is, but it is ubiquitous. and i think that's, i find it very, very curious because, you know, in a go to la vladimir here in mosque. i mean, it's like a one size fits all of your problems. are because of and then you point the finger . a great piece piece are great. you big, you, ubiquitous, of my archive is that many respects it's quite superficial and how it lacks purchase at the societies as i to live at some point. i'm trying to bring a gun to your question about yes. in relation to the western politics on that down, there are kind of, i guess it's a, i'm joe. i touched on russia. i stay aggression themselves on, on the defense. it will close as a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration crisis on the police search better by the rooster. well, you know, the night so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's ashley. it's not russia's problem is why it's not by russian from others from is a pretty use problem. missed is to problem with the use a migration policy for the sub watch examining the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very current watch, aggressive policy across all he used front is the other figure is, is this pointed to russia? royal ag. deborah, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing. here we go to vladimir before we go to the break, you wanna comment? anything we've just said here. go ahead. vladimir. yeah, i agree with a cyber a particular with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular may be what i find fascinating. his identity of this liberal elite yet that so there you show that it may be, it was like right, wingers her was capitol, of socialist russia of khomeini's said whatever there was always in on the fifty's in the sixty's. they were always blamed. blaming their openings were being software communism solve soft on their ads. now somehow they left has to find their, bought their identity, and they have fallen old, backwards by blame in russia. i remember when there was a, you know, competing among democrats, so sort of up seat up seats ramp in the door. i would watch the debates of democrats and it was ridiculous people who, who are like a local governance who don't know anything or they wouldn't find rash on the map despite his big size and they will well, dual booting, these old you quick, i'm glad of me. hold that thought here we have to go to a hard break, and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on perceptions of rush and stay with our team. with i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. a robot must obey the orders given by human beings, except where such order is a conflict with the 1st law show your identification. we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. at that point, obviously is to create a truck rather than fear a job with artificial intelligence. real, somebody with a robot must protect its own existence with herman by train, shapes bankers, those with theirs sinks, we dare to ask in a thing. they can't ride on police reports in all caps. in december 2020, a group of anti finishes allowed. a film crew access for 3 months. so like if people organization, if an idea that it must be opposed that channel out the gate while they may kill their faces. but they can see what they believe in. we believe in helping our community. we believe that fascism is one of the major threats to the united states has gotten reuben, this is a chance to see who and t for really are in order for me to extract my 1st amendment right and say that my life not have to be on to the teeth, because that's all american. we can't trust the police. we can't trust the government. we can't trust anyone except ourselves to protect ourselves in. ah, welcome back. across stock. we're all things are considered. i'm peter level to remind you. we're discussing perceptions of russia. ah, okay, want to go back to vladimir and finish up a point we were making up before we went to the break. i'm glad we, we all seem to be in agreement here. that risk phobia is an elite issue here. i mean, why is it just the elite here and, and it's very, very interesting considering the type of vitriol that is a directed against russia by the elite in the media. it's really interesting that those of us that live here in russia is not reciprocated. there is not that kind of animosity directed against americans or in the british or something like that. it's not reciprocal. it's a very weird phenomena. so why, why is it in a lead phenomenon? because i think we're all in agreement when it gets into the population, most people kind of whole arm. they like j kosky. don't scab skis. great. okay, great. so be a film. so, you know, i mean it's really a mixed bag here, but the, at the very top it's very different. why go ahead? well, why, why? the reason i would suggest is that i think most of the, a western western lead fray and germans were, they were, they are very much americanized. and that's whether we're like it or not. that's a power of american media or american propaganda. all american power shaped discourse and a medically barrel. a discourse is now so shaped in the sixty's is that, you know, liberals are on the sympathetic towards a soviet union. now i was all the saw that it became the center overall. this was beth vance. conservatives, and that, so american sort of dictates a discourse and i think a lot of french intellectual, sorry, leads, or whatever they study here. s. and they in a sort of a one way or another by as much as they repeated. but what would i find very disturbing about this? the shift is this, the same liberal elite which seems to be running in all like at least media in most of the western countries. there would be a would, you know, would we stop right away, blame in any other group because it is right politically. it's like political, correct. but somehow, political correctness stops at the doors of russia in all bets are off and they come up with is mostly because a kind of a. 1 conspiracy theories, russians and roles in this rationalism that can you imagine, you know, any western positions, blame in any other county, you know, from aerobic wall, israel leason that you would now imagine it pointing the finger that they are behind it. it'd be v r screamed and people would be viewed as anticipated, whatever. but it's absolutely fine for this most elite sophisticated, liberal obedience to blame russia for god knows what and i, i find it disturbing, but basically it's, it's sin. are they care if a big a big daddy in your uncle, sam is doing it? that means, you know, i'm in a little german station or little french station. i can repeat that to them. oh yeah, exactly. it's really quite interesting. i'm glad they vladimir brought up all that because during the cold war there was an ideological conflict, a very, very real one. okay. very easy to discern here. but the cold war is over. russia is no longer a communist country. it actually has no state ideology to speak of which i by regrettable at times. okay. it seems to me the animal that the west has to rush is that russia does simply won't accept neil liberal ideology. that is its greatest sin. okay. he will not become like the west, and on top of it, russia and russians have the billy to say, no, we don't want your political correctness. we don't want your woken if we don't want any of it. we can watch it on netflix, but keep it in to yourselves. we're not interested in it. they the west hate rush for that. go ahead. zavion paris. yeah, i tree. there is a 2 point. the 1st one, russia is seen by the french elite or as a conservative power. woo, pray, bitten her to get pride were privy to the wedding, sir, the gay wedding. her and will always support such country like her and gary her and such kind of sinks. so for the french elite whizzer, mostly lifted oriented her either either ocoee enemy. the 2nd point is like, is or that russia is like a therapy for our elite when something it went wrong. or we need to find a wood, we can take o responsibility. so we need to find some somebody we can take the the guilt and it happened with the brakes it bracing did at up and because of their opinion. and he's a complete fetter. but because russia organizer referred them to support johnson, who, everybody knows that he is a very, a fan of russia. look at what happened during the covet crisis. france is, are one of the country were, was the worst managed during his crises. so the micron sir, the macro, no management of the crises is a complete failure. but look at our mid. yes, it's are always talking about always it worse in russia, or that the delay about the figures and so on and so on. so russia was, or was it a therapy for the, for the french, leftist elite enter, it will continue because it's very, as you say is it's very her comfortable and lazy approach. jeffrey, a comfortable and lazy approach. i couldn't say it back better. i think that's absolutely true. i mean, donna, are potent gotten a trump elected president of oh, europe will freeze this winter because bowden, it's well though it's just because of european in comp and then so, okay, so that's why you have an energy problem. there's actually ample energy in the world that just manage very badly. okay. oh and oh, but since rach adds all its energy, it must be, it's for, it's fun. i mean, these people don't make any sense because, but then again, very few people and this program is we push back because it's not hard to push back against all of these ridiculous commentaries. go ahead. jeff and cork, a great. yes. yes. to sorry, a cost when i'm lazy, tommy, go, russia. but your politicians don't. you know, i'm not just on council lighting relation to ra russia, that jewelry, in my experience, a couple of laser relation to too many issues. so i'm not sure there are fair, fair. i can't be, i

jeffrey, jeffrey george, everybody, i mean you, i, we were all in agreement. it's ubiquitous. i mean, it's everywhere. okay. i mean, so, i mean, even, even if it's not it's, you know, more it no more than skin deep. i mean, it is always with us. i mean, we, the u. s. went through this, russia gave nonsense here, and it continues here. so, i mean, we could talk about, you know, how disturbing or dangerous it is, but it is ubiquitous. and i think that i find it very, very curious because, you know, i me go to blah, blah, to me here in mosque. i mean, it's like a one size fits all of your problems. are because of and then you point the finger a great piece piece are great you big, ubiquitous, of my argument is that many respects it's quite superficial and i had it lacks purchase at the societal decide to look at some point. i'm trying to bring a gun to your question about yes. in relation to the western politics on that down, there are kind of, i guess, to say, i'm jo, i touched on russia. i stay aggressor and to themselves on, on the defense. it will cost us a classic example of that going on among the relation to that the migration cross. it's on, on the polish ballot by the roost. a nice, so the west western politicians are pointing the finger at russia when it's ashley . it's not russia's problem is why it's not russian promot, others don't. it's a pretty use problem. misty is to probably use the migration policy because of what exactly the reality of their own policy, which, which actually is a very current watch, aggressive policy across all he used front is the other theories is pointed to russia. and deborah, the longer we talk, we always end up agreeing here. let me go to vladimir before we go to the break. if you wanna comment anything we've just said here, go ahead, vladimir. yeah, i agree with a very particular with both of you that it's an issue of identity in particular, maybe what i find fascinating is identity of this liberal elite that, that so there you show that it may be, it was like right wingers or was kept yellow socialist russia, or khomeini's said whatever there was always in on the fifty's in the sixty's, they will always blame. blaming their openings were being software communism solve soft on their ads. now somehow they left has to find their, bought their identity, and they have fallen old backwards by blaming russia. i remember when there was a, you know, competing among democrats, so sort of up seat, obscene trump. and the roy would watch the debates of democrats and it was ridiculous. people who, who are like a local governors, could don't know anything or they wouldn't find rash on the map. just bite is big size and they will well dual booting, these old equip. i'm letting me hold that thought. here we have to go to a hard break. and after that hard break, we'll continue our discussion on perceptions of rush and stay with our team. with. oh, when i was showing wrong, when i just don't know, i mean you wrote yes to shave out. disdain becomes the attitude and engagement equals the trail. when so many find themselves worlds apart, we choose to look for common ground. ah, there's a patch of water around me. try seal island that's in contention. between canada and the united states, northern gulf, a man i suddenly become optimal for lobster. our population here is exploded. one of the most valuable fisheries that's ever existed. suddenly you had me and canadian fishermen in these waters at the same time jousting for position and tensions or high violence is bound to happen. this is the last land border dispute between canada and the united states. it could be magnified to the point where there could be costs that would be significant to post countries. border disputes don't go away, they just fester. something's going to happen. mm . welcome back. across stock were all things considered. i'm peter roosevelt remind you. we're discussing perceptions of russia with okay, want to go back to vladimir and finish up a point, wait while we're making them before we went to the break. i'm glad we, we all seem to be in agreement here. that risk phobia is an elite issue here. i mean, why is it just the elite here and, and it's very, very interesting considering the type of, uh, victory, all that is a directed against russia by the elite in the media. it's really interesting that those of us that live here in russia is not reciprocated. there is not that kind of animosity directed against americans or in the british or something like that. it's not reciprocal. it's a very weird phenomena. so why don't we, why is it in a lead phenomenon? because i think we're all in agreement when it gets sent to the population, most people kind of whole arm. they like jacob ski dots gab skis. great. okay, great. so be a film. so, you know, i mean it's really a mixed bag here, but the, at the very top it's very different. why go ahead? well why one reason i would suggest is that i think most of the, a western western elite fray and germans were, they were very much americanized. and that's what they were like it or not. that's a power of american media or american propaganda or american power shape, discourse, american liberal, you know, discourse ease. now this is a shift in the sixty's, as i said, you know, early barrels or, or other sympathetic towards a soviet union. now i was all the saw that it became the center of all this. what back things conservatives this and that. so americans sort of dictates a discourse, and i think a lot of french intellectuals or a leads or whatever they study here as, and they in a sort of a one way or another by as much as they repeat it. but what i find very disturbing about this, the shift is this, the same liberal elite which seems to be running, you know, like at least media in most of the western countries. there would be a, you know, would we stop right away blaming any other group because it is right politically. it's not political, correct. but somehow political correctness stops at the doors of russia in all bets are off and they come up with is mostly dick was a kind of. 1 a conspiracy theories. russians in walton this roger weldon that can you imagine, you know, any western politician blame in any other county, you know, from aerobic wall israel listen that he would now imagine it pointing the finger there behind it. it would be the ice cream to the people will be viewed as anti semites, whatever. but it's absolutely fine for this most. it leads sophisticated liberal obedience to blame. russia for god knows what and i, i find it disturbing, but basically it's, it's, you know, i think if a big big daddy in your uncle, sam is doing it, that means, you know, i'm in a little german station or little french. since i can repeat that to them. oh yeah, exactly. yeah. it's really quite interesting. i'm glad that vladimir brought up all that because during the cold war there was an ideological conflict, a very, very real one. okay. very easy to discern here, but the cold war is over. russia is no longer a communist country. it actually has no state ideology, the speaker, which i find regrettable at times. okay. but it seems to me the animal that the west has to rush is that russia does simply won't accept neil liberal ideology. that is its greatest sin. okay. he will not become like the west. and on top of it, russia and russians have the ability to say, no, we don't want your political correctness. we don't want your woken as we don't want any of it. we can watch it on netflix, but keep it in to yourselves. we're not interested in it. the, the west hates rush of that go ahead. zavion paris. yeah, i think there is a 2 bonds. the 1st one russia is seen by the french elite or as a conservative power. woo. pray beated early to get pride were privy to the wedding . sir. the gay wedding, her and we will always support such country like her and gary her and such kind of sinks. so for the french elite whizzer, mostly you lift the oriented it easy, that is her arc enemy. the 2nd point is like, is or that russia is like a therapy for our elite. when some seeing it went wrong, or we need to find the, or would we can take o responsibility. so we need to find some, somebody we can take the the guilt and it happened was a brakes, it bracing didn't up and because of the opinion. and he's a complete, feder. but because risha organizer refer them to super dunsen, where everybody knows that is a very, a fan of russia. look at what happened during the course crisis, france is, are one of the country were, was the worst managed during this crazy. so zacharon, sir, croner, management of the crises is accompanied shredder, but look at our mid. yes, it's her always talking about always it worse in russia. her that the delay about the figures and so on and so on. so russia was, or was it a therapy for the, for the french leftist elite and it will continue because it's very, as you say is it's very her comfortable and lazy approach. and jeffrey, a comfortable and lazy approach. i couldn't say it better than i think it's absolutely true. i mean, dr. r putin god trump elected president, r o you, europe will freeze this winter because a potent well now it is because of european incompetence. okay, that's why you have an energy prom. there's actually ample energy in the world. just manage very badly. okay. oh and oh, but since rach adds all its energy, it must be, it's fun, it's fun. i mean, these people don't make any sense because, but then again, very few people and this program is we push back because it's not hard to push back against all of these ridiculous commentaries. go ahead. jeff and cork, a great job. yes. is very comfortable and lazy. tabitha, russia, but your politicians don't, you know, not just on council lighting relation to ra russia. actually, in my experience a couple of laser relation to too many issues. i'm not sure there are fair fair. i can't be. i agree with 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