joe biden's me to problem. he by no mean will be there, klee and castro took a big step himself for a possible run than forming a presidential exploratory committee which allows them to start raising money ahead of upcoming visits to iowa and new hampshire. >> i've had a very strong vision for the future of the country. i'm going to spend the next few weeks traveling and listening to

before the break we heard about joe biden's big day.e that the top of the fox news poll of democrats looking at 2020. leslie marshall, mike pence's former press secretary and the correspondent for the daily caller, welcome to all of you. let's talk about that, joe biden and bernie sanders, two old white dudes atop 2020 democrat field and there has been so much about diversity and intersection hourly. how does that work? >> is a democrat i feel those of us on the left want to see an old white guy in the office called donald trump become a one term president. it really doesn't matter the diversity of the candidate. it matters the strength of the candidate being able to beat donald trump. i said before i think joe biden is that candidate because he embraces working-class in states like wisconsin and pennsylvania and in addition to that, the attitude verbally, he could give trump a run for his money. >> he is well loved, old uncle joe, especially when he has his own faux pass and gas people are very forgiving of income he's very lovable, go

joe biden's me to problem.by no mean will be there, klee and castro took a big step himself for a possible run than forming a presidential exploratory committee which allows them to start raising money ahead of upcoming visits to iowa and new hampshire. >> i've had a very strong vision for the future of the country. i'm going to spend the next few weeks traveling and listening to folks and getting a sense of where people are at. i know where i am leaning. >> tonight, another democrat out of their name to the more than two dozen believed to be considering a run. a white congresswoman tulsi gabbard. >> are you running? >> i am seriously i am concerned about the direction of our country. what would stop you? >> i don't know. as for tom steyer, the billionaire former hedge fund manager and activist, he likely groundwork for 2020 run by posting a job listing on linkedin for stage directions and new hampshire and south carolina. three key states that go right after iowa. >> shannon: thank you very much. justice kavan

. >> jessica: there is talk that joe biden's politics would be interesting.mbered" in just a moment. >> kennedy: big thanks to james freeman. did you have a good time on the couch? >> james: i didn't even feel outnumbered. i had a great time. >> kennedy: it's new year's day every day on the couch. >> lisa: i think we should put christmas trees up year-round. we will be back tomorrow on the couch at noon eastern, we will go to julie banderas, and for harris. >> julie: let's go "outnumbered: overtime." i am julie banderas and for harris faulkner. an unannounced visit to iraq, trump told service members "u.s. troops will stay in that country to keep a check on isis unprepared " >> our presence in syria, it was never intended to be permanent. the men and women who have served are entitled to clear objectives and the confidence that whe

good news also for joe biden and bernie sanders.oe biden has 99% name id in iowa, doesn't have a lot of room to grow. that was a good poll. it is not a great poll for elizabeth warren, had 80% name id, not a good place for her. it is still a very good poll for people like beto o'rourke and of course this is largely based on name id at this point, dana. there is a lot of room for candidates to grow and a lot can happen between now and the iowa caucuses. >> seems early to be talking about iowa. why are we talking about this? matt, this starts in february, just five weeks from now, you'll see the candidates going to

c at the top of the list, former vice president joe biden. he's running but said he he plans tob make a decision in the next two months. two weeks ago he called himself the most qualified person in the country to be president.ni bernie sanders also has an not announced if he is running he came in second. so that shows you at least righe now, iowa democrats seem to favor these familiar faces with lots of political experience. then there's beto o'rourke, the young democrat from texas who narrowly lost to ted cruz. o'rourke finished third in this poll beating out far more season candidates like elizabeth warren, cory booker, michael bloomberg. and senator kirsten gillibrand. she admitted she's worried that those top three candidates are all white men. she wants more diversity among the top potential candidates heading into 2020, but what seems to matter most to these iowa democrats is experience. 49% say it will take a seasoned politician, not a newcomer, to win. president trump said it would ba a dream to run against biden in 2020.0. tucker, i t

how bruising will a joe biden joe biden-beto o'rourke primary be?ere to debate, former 2016 trump campaign manager, and political analyst, cohost of "the five," obama's old staff seems to be prepping an instant plug and play for o'rourke presidential campaign. your thoughts? >> not quite, you've got to win something. if he thinks the idea that beto o'rourke did not win versus ted cruz in texas means that he shouldn't be a contender here. he has got to prove that he can be a winner. but i see lots of obama people, to your point, laura, saying hey, we haven't seen excitement, this kind of charisma, this kind of young people attracted to a candidate since 2008, and that is barack obama. and by the way, in iowa, they have just done a survey and it turns out that most iowa democrats say they would like to see a young, energetic new face on the scene. and i don't think there is anyone who fits that bill better than beto o'rourke. >> laura: but of course, the old vice president! joe biden clearly isn't feeling the love here. he is pretty experienced. he wa

and if she can be the first woman of color, joe biden is enough of a woman of color and, joe biden isman of color. does that qualify as white man? >> seriously, i thought the idea was, not really, he's so cutting edge that he's not. >> and he has adopted a groovy name. joe biden could easily change his name to documented biden and be running as the first muslim vice president. i mean, the elizabeth warren standard is the diversity standard. this is not identity politics, it's self identity politics. and god bless her, i love her for that. only in america can elizabeth warren be the first woman of color. the american dream in a nutshell. >> tucker: all the dreams come true in this country. mark stein, great to see you as well. as always. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: we will be right back my mom washes the dishes... ...before she puts them in the dishwasher. so what does the dishwasher do? cascade platinum does the work for you, prewashing and removing stuck-on foods, the first time. wow, that's clean! cascade platinum. the zip code you're born into can determine your future. your s

joe biden isn't that different then maybe 30 something candidates that are going to run.nd up seeing someone that breaks through the democratic primary field that we are not talking about right now. that isn't even on the radar. >> dana: greg, tell me what you think about avenatti. >> greg: he was accused of something and the accusation was alone enough to derail his future ambitions. it's appropriate justice given the fact that he spearheaded a movement to derail the career by weaponizing accusations untethered to evidence. that's how the world works. >> dana: indeed. i'm going to give you the next word on that. up next, why the little mermaid and the song "baby it's cold outside" are under attack. ♪ ♪ ♪ the united states postal service makes more holiday deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. ♪ with one notable exception. ♪ our big idaho potato truck and we're going to find it. awe man. always look for the grown in idaho seal. so a and as if thatyour brwasn't bad enough,tals it. now your insurance won't replace it outright because of depreciation. if your

kennedy: speaking of the election, joe biden and i'm snow.like you, the further into winter we go, the heavier i get. and while your pants struggle to support the heavier you, your roof struggles to support the heavier me. [laughter] whoo. [crash] and your cut-rate insurance might not pay for this. so get allstate, you could save money and be better protected from mayhem like me. mayhem is everywhere. so get an allstate agent. are you in good hands? kennedy: joe biden things is most qualified person in the country to be president. several recent polls show the former vice president as the early pacesetter in the massive democratic field. but they are concerned that they may turn off potential voters. he will be 78 on inauguration day became the oldest in history. what can uncle joe do to fix that? according to some they say he should take o'rourke as his running mate. 46 years old and would add much needed youth to the ticket. so would the tagteam give democrats a better chance of taking down president trump 2020? the panel is back to decide,

kennedy: joe biden things is most qualified person in the country to be president. recent polls show the former vice president as the early pacesetter in the massive democratic field. but they are concerned that they may turn off potential voters. he will be 78 on inauguration day became the oldest in history. what can uncle joe do to fix that? according to some they say he should take o'rourke as his running mate. 46 years old and would add much needed youth to the ticket. so would the tagteam give democrats a better chance of taking down president trump 2020? the panel is back to decide, kat, matt and jimmy. i will start with you, kat. this is obviously a weather balloon that team biden has floated to see if it gets any traction. >> i thought that was against their religion? over there. to have white guys one. isn't that like every -ism? i mean -- >> there perpetuated the patriarchy. perpetuating white supremacy. i personally need space from this because i feel as a female i am being oppressed. they want to make joe biden cool because beto'rourke goes as beto. eit

joe biden and kamala harris. >> i like this game. >> so i like this match, one, because joe biden comesexperience. vice president. everybody loving uncle joe. kamala hair -- harris has shown herself to be very studied and very learned. it gives democrats the exciteme excitement they want. >> and the minority as well. i'm going to give you the next one, jacob. elizabeth warren and beto o'rourke. possibly elizabeth warren at the top of the ticket or beto at the top of the ticket. >> kind of a reverse d -- i thi warren was the nominee, someone like o'rourke makes sense. you're trying to excite the base. i think that's certainly an interesting way to go. >> i'll give you a crack, jen. >> i actually think the biden/kamala harris ticket is good. however i think she's going to have a little baggage from the sexual harassment claim. she's got some explaining to do on that. but if you look at joe biden, i think he has sort of stepped in to this hole that elizabeth warren has created with that dna announcement that was ill timed. i think she's out of the contention. joe biden would be interesting

it's worse than that. >> you know, here is joe biden giving a speech. >> why is it that joe biden isthe first in his family ever to go to a university? >> it's almost word for word what british labor party leader neil kinnock said. >> a way of life, the first kinnock in a thousand generations to be able to get to university. >> here's a clip of kinnock and a clip of biden saying the same thing. >> was it because they were weak? those people who could work eight hours underground and then play football. >> my ancestors who worked in the coal mines in northeast pennsylvania came up after 12 hours and play football for four hours? >> biden is stealing kinnock's words without attributing it. i wrote my story, and there were more and more examples of plagiarism, reporters were digging into his past. it was a sign of death by 1,000 cuts. >> i've concluded that i will stop being a candidate for president of the united states. >> but who was behind the leaked tape? >> michael dukakis is assessing the damage to his campaign following the disclosure that two of his top aides sabotaged the camp

but joe biden was at 53%. joe biden knows he is very popular in the party. popular among independents and barack obama is going to have to meet with lots of people i do do think you will see keep his powder dry not have 25, 30 people weigh in the democratic primary. if joe biden wants to run, joe biden will have a lot of support even among people barack obama even if he didn't doesn't endorse him he was vice president 8 years. he has thicker skin than that. >> he was the vice president the last election as well. weave know the party leadership as well as the president all did the garden meetings. he wasn't going to run. this was all because hillary clinton was the chosen candidate. >> maria: that's not why biden didn't run. lawrenc>> i do think he will be frustrated if the president doesn't get behind him. he understands former president he has to be with all the candidates. the former vice president is going to be expected, president obama, to get behind him because he did step aside and let hillary clinton run. >> it's not easy to tell somebody that maybe

joe biden, you are a shoe in.s look at what democrats and independents have a favorable opinion. elizabeth warren above water. the lower numbers are not bad news. it just means the newcomers are not well-known nationally. remember that first number. does that mean he will be the nominee. jeb bush was the run away favorite. ben carson and mike huckabee. there is a name missing from the list. no trump. no trump. he was not even a factor in the race. the first time we saw his numbers is when you get to may of 2015. then at 3%. 17 days later, he announced he was running for president. you know the rest. he is president. just because you are not doing well in the polls now doesn't say much about what will happen in 2020. as the democrats sort it out, the current president of the united states said i don't think i have to worry about that this time. >> the greatest history of politics. people i love and love me that includes a lot of women. the polls are really fake. i have the greatest base in history. the 46 and 48%,

joe biden has to learn how to be a candidate in 19 and 20.ot the same even as 2008 when he went on the ticket with barack obama. >> thank you so much. an american citizen detained in moscow suspected of being a spy. later, new details about trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort. in the millions he owed to a prominent russian who demanded pay back in the height of that race. we'll be right back. nt. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today. i can't say it's the highlight dadof fatherhood.... but i'd rather be here with my little man than not be here because of migraine. i

as joe bidens running for president- friends say he ) >>> it could be an age thing, as joe biden considers running for president, friends say he is concerned about his age. he is 76 years old, and he would be the oldest person to ever be elected president if he runs and gets elected. advisers suggested teaming him with a younger running mate, beto o'rourke at 46 has received national attention after being ted cruz. >>> and then volunteers placed more than 250,000 wreaths at arlington. here in the bay area volunteers placed hundreds of wreaths at los gatospark. the cemetery held a special ceremony to honor the fallen and honor those that> n at 11:00, apple i facing another lawsuit, this time over the marketing of its newest iphone. the suit claims the company misled consumers over the iphone 10, and accused apple of picking obscure wallpaper, and marketing materials the phone was shown as a black wallpaper. >> the national weather service shows you can expect big sufrrf and waves. >> and they came up with a plan for later. >> watch it from afar, i guess. >> he went out in the water today an

just quoting joe biden. il rucker, the washington post white house bureau chief, and also p phil from reuters. phil, what do you make of what biden said after he told our colleague craig melvin about a run, but he is leaning far forward for a run. >> yes, he is leaning far forward for months now, and more likely to be pursuing the presidency, which he has done before, and remember, and it sounds like he is going to be making a decision in the next month or two with his family and trying to decide if this is something that he wants the do, and if he were to run to the extent that the democrats have a frontrunner, it would probably be him, but it is still going to be a very competitive field and the nomination is certainly not assured for joe biden. >> and jeff, we have john kerry at harvard last week i guess talking about joe biden, and his former colleague, and sometime rival, but also raising the whole subject of mike bloomberg and let's play part of that. >> i don't know if joe is going to run. i love joe b

obviously, president obama loves joe biden. but it's also no secret that president obama said he wants to help support a new generation of democratic leaders here in the country. so it on makes sense that he's meeting with potential plausible candidates. >> dana: jon, you mentioned new. matt, letted me point you to this new poll from usa today, showing that -- asking democrats and independents who do you want in 2020? 59% said someone entirely new. what do you think of that? >> well, yeah. joe biden reminds me a lot of hillary clinton in 2014 where their approval ratings rise, but as they start to dip their toe back in, the rub starts to show. joe biden on the presidential stage has melted every single time he's been at the top of the ticket. when was the last time he ran a credible and long competitive campaign? it was before i was born, in 1988. so i think some democrats think -- >> dana: you're so young. >> they're going to nominate somebody who has a track record from the '70s, last ran their most competitive campaign in th

former vice president joe biden enjoys a sizable lead, look at that, 32%.nt senator bernie sanders in second with 17%, democratic congressman beto o'rourke third at 11% and trailing them, senators elizabeth warren at 8% and connell harris at 5%. also showing most democratic voters in iowa are prioritizing electability with the majority at 54% saying it is more important for the caucus winner to have a strong chance of defeating president trump. compare that to 40% who say that it is more important to have a candidate who shares their position on key issues. in the meantime, resume report said that joe biden who at 76 is weighing his age heavily as he considers a white house bid. all right, adrienne, i will start with you. one thing that is interesting, elizabeth warren for all the press that she gets and she enjoys, i thought a lot of popularity, but whenever they do these polls, it changes who is at the top. but she is always at the bottom. >> adrienne: this poll in particular is a problem for her, because she is 80% name i.d. in iowa, she pulls at 8%. so

joe biden at 53%. bernie sanders comes in third at 36%. we're back with our panel. manchester and daniel lit julia, that someone new versus joe biden, what does that illustrate to you? is this a generational thing? >> well, yes, it could be a generational thing. one thing i like to point out, i think all polling you're seeing right now is essentially about name recognition ahead of 2020. i was struck by a usa today article that came out, i believe, yesterday. they had philadelphia lawyer daniel berger who famously backed barack obama's campaign and hillary clinton's. he hasn't picked a candidate yet. he said call me back in 45 days. we have a little bit to go here. but i think there is a generational divide. we've seen some polling showing beto o'rourke, bernie sanders in the top. they're all white men. we've seen the democratic party have come out with a lot of diversity candidates this year, historically, women and minorities. all about name recognition at this point. >> daniel, do you think there's an assumed front-runner or someone of such significance that woul

. ♪ >> juan: joe biden, bernie sanders and beto o'rourke.the top democratic contenders in a new 2020 iowa poll. the trio besting elizabeth warren, kamala harris, and 20 other contenders among all caucus goers. >> i aspire for our country to recognize the beauty of our diversity. at some point in the future. i hope someday we have a woman president. i love the fact that barack obama was the president for eight years. i hope more people of color not only aspire and win the presidency because that's what makes america so extraordinary. we are all of that. we are everything. i think more clues of america is a stronger america. >> juan: jedediah, what do you think? >> jedidiah: she drives me crazy, ever since her comments about kavanaugh. she was so unhinged. i can't look at her the same after that. i think it's interesting that they only see, democrats only see race, age. they stay compartmentalized. it doesn't work. if they knew anything about it, bernie sanders, they talk about age with joe biden, he's too old to beat someone young on the tick

for joe biden, the authenticity pitch could work with him.tuff about him being experienced, i'm not sure that's such a selling point, however. >> let me ask you about that. he said he was most experienced. it could be a crowded field for the 2020 primary. elizabeth warren, the senator from massachusetts also considering a presidential run. listen to this exchange he had with manu raju about biden's comments. >> reporter: last night joe biden said you'd be the most qualified person who run for president. do you agree? >> i think the vice president has many qualified comments and i'm glad to hear he's out and talking. >> what do you make of that? >> she's trying to balance this entire act where she doesn't want to attack someone else in the field and at the same time she's trying to sell herself. that's going to be one of the real balancing acts going forward in 2020 is the field is going to be so large, so huge, 10, 15, could be up to 20 people. they want to go after the president of the united states while at the same time they want to differ

joe biden goes all over the place. female senators are very strong.they get on the stage and state their policies against these men will go up. >> the good news for people like senator gillibrand if i remember correctly, over 60% of people didn't have a view on whether they supported or opposed her. that say lot to work with, and that's true of a lot of the other female candidates in the race. to your point, david, on the dnc, i would be surprised if they rely solely on the polls. they'll look at candidates that have the ability to grassroots across the country and have a way to reflect that. >> we'll see. it will be a huge cry of unfair. listen, we saw it last time. senator sanders got locked out. >> no easy way. >> it's unfair. >> it will be difficult. but i think they're thinking about this much more broadly. >> as someone who moderated the debate with 11 candidates on stage, i hope they figure it out better than that. it was difficult to do a debate with 11 candidates on stage. wouldn't donald trump be most threatened by somebody who wasn't a whit

but i'm not sure that report is correct but even if it is my advice to joe biden, the fact that the presidenther contenders doesn't mean that he's endorsing them are going to be for them and not for joe. i am sort of the elder statesman of pennsylvania democrats and i meet with anybody who wants to run for office. even if i know i'm supporting an opponent. i will meet with that person and tell them what type of campaign i think he or she should run. tell them how i think they should go about it. how they should plan for the general election if they win the primary. so i don't think you can read too much into that. >> ed: but as an elder statesman in your party as you say, the party has been moving further and further left. you see people like alexandria ocasio-cortez and others, not just her rising in the party won claire mccaskill, who was just ousted in missouri saying wait a second, don't forget about white working-class voters. >> right. that is played into joe biden's -- we will have trouble winning if we don't get back some of those white working-class democrats who voted for donald tru

look, joe biden ran three times. than 1% and president obama took him out of the garbage heap and everyone was shocked that he did. i'd love to have it be biden. >> i want to turn now to a man who knows joe biden very well. his former 2012 campaign deputy chief of staff, scott mulhauser. >> first, thanks for having me. one of the best things about the vice president is he is pretty similar in private and public. that said, look at the recent piece in the atlantic last week where voters not only encouraging and asking him to run, they were demanding it and it was folks from california and across the rust belt and republicans and democrats. you have to hear that and think about it and say, it's hard not to at least contemplate it. >> so what about this biden/beto ticket? it sounds good, catchy. it's alit ra tiliteratioialitte. >> i think one of the lessons is voters want authenticitauthenti. candidates like beto and andrew, even when you lose a close race, there's resonance. i think they get along well. do i think it's

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the latest by a wide margin is former vice president joe biden. biden has 30%.ers is at 13. o'rourke is up to 9 and nobody over 5. at a recent appearance in montana biden called himself the most qualified person to run, but he's run before, 1988 and 2008 with less than stellar results. on election day he'll be 77. joining me now is "new york times" columnist frank bruni who wrote the piece, i like joe biden, i urge him not to run. why? >> the stakes are enormous and if you believe as i do that the trump presidency has been a disgrace, the stakes here are making sure that donald trump doesn't get another four years and that means being ruthlessly un emotiemotional about who has best chance. you mentioned the two failed presidential campaigns. they were sort of debacles. he didn't get far in those races. he exited them early with basically no votes. why would we believe that all this time later at the age of 76 he he's going to be a better candidate? there's a lot of history that shows democrats do better with younger candidates. i think when you add all that toge

but when i think of joe biden, i think of him in so many ways as the anti-trump.erience, vast policy knowledge. he gets along across the aisle. >> because you mentioned his experience, i don't mean to cut you off but i want you to weigh in on the fact that he said he is the most qualified person to be president right now. is he? >> listen, if he were thinking of running for president, you should think that you are the most qualified. if you are thinking of running in what looks to be a field of more than a dozen potential democratic candidates, if you are going to run you should have the confidence that you are running because you are the most qualified and the most -- and the one that brings the most to the table and offers the most and is able to win. and so i think that running for office and winning requires a healthy ego and he should have it. so should anybody else thinking of running for elected office. >> do you think he run? >> you know, i think so. i think he's got nothing to lose. there's no reason why he should have regrets. i think he regretted not ha

katie: they use do selfies together and but is the romans between president joe biden and president barack obama over?

the big unknown in this race is joe biden.in, it changes the dynamic of the race. >> he is none of those things, by the way, that you just ticked off. >> exactly. he is none of those things but there's a reservoir of goodwill for joe bide nen the party that no one else has and the sense that he can do the job from day one. if he gets out of the race it's a free for all. it doesn't favor the people we've been talking about for a long time. >> you bring up joe biden. cnn's iowa polling of likely caucusgoers, joe biden is at the top of the hooe heap there with 32% of likely caucusgoers saying yes, he's our first choice. as we look at this, nia, and everything we've gamed out so far, not a shock that elizabeth warren is making this announcement but there is some surprise to the timing. and how much of that, nia, is her trying to get out ahead of the rest of the folks, to try to make a little noise? >> i think that's everything. i think joe is also right if you look back at past announcements they are about where we are now. bill r

i think joe biden is the biggest threat to joe biden, not beto o'rourke.third run, '88, '08, '18. it seems to be years with 8s that he runs. it just hasn't worked. his numbers are so good, because he was with barack obama for eight years, little scrutiny, little criticism for the left. he does so many things so well. running for president isn't one of them. beto o'rourke is a hot operative. running for texas isn't a presidential campaign. he may not be the hot thing a real from now. we'll see how he does in the first four contests and already some progressives are going after him on his policy positions. i think that might be coming from the bernie sanders camp. >> dana: what do you think, matt? >> beto o'rourke is an impressive candidate. he gave ted cruz a run for his money and raised so much money, something like $80 million. a real difference between how republicans and democrats think about politics, democrats and certainly their delegate process, they think about it in terms of characteristics, what's your gender, to the extent they believe in gender

a lot of people -- i watched those people, joe biden, al gore, a lot of people paying

joe biden is highly experienced.nk when joe biden says he's the most qualified it reminds me george h.w. bush very qualified, lots of experience. you have can't argue with joe biden's many years in the senate and head of the judiciary committee. >> laura: they don't want biden. >> he's the number one candidate. >> laura: we have it, the harvard harris poll, biden 25, bernie sanders, hillary clinton, beto o'rourke, i don't think any of that means anything right now. i'm telling you, although obama has met with bernie sanders, elisabeth warren, and mitch landers, speaking of people who like to pull down statues in the middle of the night, mitch lab drew. obama folks and the former president himself are kind of running out of patience for trump. come on. >> of course they are. >> laura: let me show you how it's done. beto is kind of the, as he's described by the new york times as the white obama. they're describing him that way. >> look, obama has seen all of his signature policies reversed under this president. he's se

young progress or joe biden and andrew gillam.rats did well in the midwest. one surrogate they wanted over and over was joe biden but the best thing about the whole thing for donald trump is the democrats are not going to take my advice, likely to go with their hearts and put forward a progressive and when that happens trump will be reelected. todd: iowa voters agree with you saying joe biden should be the nominee but we will see. it will be tough if they pick a progressive to appeal to so much of our country other than the coast. thanks for getting up, appreciate it. 36 after the hour. 2018 filled with many memorable moments in politics, some of the best. >> what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. you said that, not me. todd: some of the worst. >> the closest i will have in my life to and i am spartacus moment. todd: breaking down the best and worst coming up next. ♪ >> in a push in nebraska to legalize medical marijuana. senators launching a petition to put the issue on the b

we are seeing joe biden breaking through here.me recognition, but is it his experience and the perception that he has a steady hand driving that high poll number? >> it's likely a couple of things. this is not joe biden's first rodeo. he is well-known in iowa. he has been the candidate here twice before. he considered a run even more times than that. he is someone that iowans know and feel comfortable with. i think in this era in particular, the idea of a candidate who has got in back ground in how to run a white house and deal with congress and make legislation happen and deal with the problems in foreign policy. having that kind of portfolio makes joe biden particularly attractive right now. >> one of the interesting things i thought in third place, we are seeing progressive beto o'rourke who narrowly lost to ted cruz. he is seeing a slight majority, 53% said they do like him. 11% saying they don't. are you surprised at his level of support? >> that's right. it's almost a 5-1 ratio of people saying they are favorable versus unfa

and i'm not sure if joe biden can do it. and if he does can he come back to the middle say ing i didn't mean it that way. i'm a middle american. kennedy: hillary clinton tried to do that saying i love blowing things up and i love corporate money and i'm the most progressive person ever, i invented the term progressive. she actually said that. >> but she barely threw a fig leave to that party. she assumed they would all line up to her. and it sturni don't know that tr the democratic nomination is going to be a ric race to the lt but he should note that she was never for popular when she wasn't running for office. kennedy: but i think there's something to that. if that's what he's interested in, because he can still stay engaged. if you look at jimmy carter and al gore, they found issues that were most important to them. >> and if bye biden chooses not to run and throws his hat in the ring for someone who wins he can same i'm the king maker. kennedy: he's giving mix signals. >> the polls are a little misleading. i think only o

we know that joe biden has a certain appeal, especially in the industrial heartland or do we need a freshnspire us and help us turn the page after four years of donald trump. i'm surprised biden is not even higher. >> sanders was number two. sanders and elizabeth warren met yesterday and apparently they met to talk about 2020. if you were a fly on the wall, what do you think they were saying? >> i have not talked to elizabeth warren. have i have talked to senator sanders. he is authentically trying to figure out who has the best shot as a progressive. i think he would do it if he thought it was up to him and i think he also would step aside. >> is there room for both him and warren? >> no, i don't think so. someone has to step aside. bernie sanders has been persistent and consistent around building movement around health care and other issues. he's never stopped campaigning. he's ready to go. if he truly believes elizabeth could do it, i think he would step aside. >> chris christie was meeting with the president last night, talking about the chief of staff position. now saying he doesn't

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the first iowa caucus poll is out. 32% of likely caucusgoers say they want former vice president joe bidenominee. in second place is vermont senator bernie sanders, trailed by congressman beto o'rourke and senators elizabeth warren and kamala harris. vice president biden has not officially announced a run for the white house, but reports say he's already looking into a running mate. o'rourke is one name that's already being floated and here's a report of biden running into senator harris in d.c. these are early days yet, two years out from the general election. but what do you make of that, of joe biden running and at least acknowledging the fact that there needs to be some nod to or involvement of a younger faction from the democratic party? >> i think his time has passed, to be quite honest. i understand that he's highest on the polling right now, but i don't see how he's going to play into what we've seen or what we've seen from the electorate with the past midterms. you know, you've seen a lot of excitement with younger candidates. i'm surprised that andrew gillum wasn't on that list.

joe biden first started campaigning there in 1988. that doesn't shock me.rprises me is you have a u.s. house member who got in double digits. beto o'rourke. it looked like charlie in the chocolate factory. he's like charlie trying to get the ticket with grandpa joe and grandpa bernie looking on. >> the top four except for beto o'rourke are in their 70s. ann? >> the field was so dominated by joe biden, he's sort of sucking the oxygen out. it's not his first rodeo, it's not his second rodeo. he's the best known of anybody. i don't know there is a living room in iowa that he hasn't visited. so that's room for other people to come in and do well. and one thing we learned from the last time is that bernie sanders, when we first measured him, came in at 3%. so i don't worry too much for these candidates who are showing up in single digits. as i say, anybody can come to iowa and win, anybody. >> let me ask you about the, about the winnability thing. i mean, everybody knows trump will be vulnerable. we know he's not going to be up in 60%. he'll be about 45% going i

younger came in at 47%, yet we have joe biden and sanders at the top of these polls? what it is is the younger candidates, so many they are splitting votes. what senator jill iran is concerned about is there are so many potential democratic candidates, we have 2 or 3 said to be announcing in coming days this week, it could split a lot of that. >> we have quite a ways to go but these things run into former cycles, how does this feel in a way that possibly unites democrats, senator jill a brand is concerned about 3 white guys at the top. >> a lot of candidates on the democrat side. if you look at the democratic primary, there are 22 candidates in the race. we have a wide field of talented people who represent every aspect of america and are thankful to have a rich bench to pull in for this primary, republicans are stuck with donald trump. they have a divisive primary on their side but i will take those odds any day of the week. >> republicans do a good job annihilating each other in primaries. democrats do less about that. you have serious people who are all in and a lo

bush says joe biden should run on the unity ticket.he has a surprising choice for a running mates. utah senator elect mitt romney. beto o'rourke edges out bernie sanders has the top presidential candidate among progressive democrats in a moveon.org straw poll. former tallahassee mayor andrew gillum generating more 2020 bows by speaking at the dnc donors conference yesterday. morgan, what do you make of it? >> morgan: i think andrew gillum is a talented politician. i watched him in florida, state i grew up in. it's not surprising to me about beto getting this energy. as much as i respect biden even though i'm a republican, i just don't see. he seems hesitant. the same thing that happened in '16. he seems hesitant to get in. he's leading in the poll. i don't think he ultimately is going to go for it. this is not based on fact. this is just based on my cable news pontificating. >> jesse: don't put that down. >> morgan: i think president trump never held elected office before coming here, so it will be tough to beat him. i still like, a lo

>> i love joe biden. clearly my former boss, bernie sanders, julian castro.ese polls that are saying that vice president joe biden is number one, so on and so forth, these are polls based on name recognition. this early in the game, i want to be the candidate that nobody is talking about, that is registering at 5% in the name recognition polls because that means have i room to grow. i think the thing that will be concerning if i was someone advising vice president joe biden, which to be clear i'm not, is that he has very -- his name recognition is vast. people know the vice president. so the question is how much room does he have to grow, if any. >> alice, i do want to talk to you about the timing of all of this. i remember ted cruz getting out in front of the pack and announcing his candidacy relatively early in 2015. we do have a couple of people that have announced already, congressman john delaney from maryland, cory booker has said definitively he's thinking about it. who would it benefit from your perspective, remembering what happened with ted cruz, wh

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joe biden and bernie sanders.ther two, elizabeth warren and beto o'rourke would have to really juice minority turnout. and i can tell you, i think beto o'rourke, one surprising thing about his candidacy. he did overperform democrats in texas, he did not overperform on minority black turnout. and so i think there are going to be questions raised about that if he moves forward. >> to build off the point here, looking deep into our dive in our poll, joe biden and bernie sanders' favorable ratings are much better when you look at it than the other democrats. there is this -- there's a bunch of independent men that really like bernie and biden and nobody else. >> yeah, it's -- >> it's an interesting challenge. >> call it a gender gap, but it's -- it may be approaching that. and so, no, look,f formidable figures and candidates. i wonder if this is a bernie year, a biden year? i'm not sure. i think they're looking for somebody -- >> i wonder if it's going to be another year for a white man. there are liberal and progress