john brennan, secretary of state blinken was on "meet the press" on sunday with kristen welker and shepressed him on how hamas could have pulled this off. >> but mr. secretary, do you acknowledge that both israeli intelligence officials and u.s. intelligence officials were caught off guard here? >> this is an attack that i don't think saw coming in the immediate. >> so was it an intelligence failure, mr. secretary? do you acknowledge it was an intelligence failure? >> the israelis will have plenty of time to look into that. >> former cia director, john brennan, you've worked in national security, the field, the region. how did israel launches an intelligence network and military and the u.s. not see this coming? >> good question, andrea. i think there were a lot of failures that led up to this. clearly, the israelis didn't have the u.n. or technical sources that gave them insight into this. it's apparent now that they misread a lot of the signals that were coming out of gaza in terms of activity that is hamas members were engaged in. also, i think they misread hamas' intentions. i thin

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as john brennan pointed out to you, you can't bomb these buildings.w, and take out whole partner buildings, without knowing where are the human shields. where are the american because secretary blinken confirmed this today. they're like the americans involved as both victims dead among the casualties, and also, those taken hostage. and al>> so how do you bomb thoe buildings without taking out, not only some innocent people here in gaza, but also the israelis moving up hostages. it is a terrible, terrible challenge. >> and american citizens from around the world -- there has, been outside of this there has been this effort, ambitious i would say, of the biden administration, to kind and approach this, we will talk about this about israel and saudi arabia. where do you think, i'm a star with, you peter, where you think that sits right now? >> president biden wanted to invent a new middle east. one that scrambles the new order, and brings a new alignment between israel and saudi arabia against iran. that all now looks a little problematic at the moment.

former cia director john brennan is here. sir, thank you for your time.n following this story so very closely. you spoke to my colleague jen psaki earlier today. you floated the possibility of israeli sources both human and technical being compromised by hamas. they could've been given a false sense of complacency. can you expand on that for us? >> simone, as you asked the question, how did israeli intelligence missed this, i'm really quite puzzled. i don't know how they missed it. i worked with israeli intelligence and military for many years. they are among the best in the world in terms of their networks and technical sources. so, the gaza strip has always been one of their key intelligence concerns. so, i raise the possibility that some of their sources may have been compromised. hamas was able to carry out this planning for this large-scale multidimensional attack over the course of many months without the israelis catching wind of it. which raises the question about whether or not the sources that the israelis have a relied on for so long in the gaz

john brennan, former cia director, msnbc senior national security intelligence analyst as well. author of undaunted, my fight against americas enemies at home and abroad. john, thank you for getting a start at the 8:00 hour. i mean, considering the relations between united states and israel, what does this attack by hamas mean. >> well katie, clearly the scale, the scope, the impact of these attacks has been nothing short of breath taken. the fact that hamas is been able to demonstrate almost an unprecedented amount of preparation, coordination, training for this and then a very shocking sense that israeli intelligence was not able to detect it on such a auspicious anniversary as the 50th anniversary of the 73 war. i think what the night states is doing right now is trying to provide to israel whatever type of additional intelligence we might have about any follow-up plans that hamas has, provide them any type of assistance that they need, but that clearly this is still ongoing. it's still very much a hot battle that is going on, and the fact that the hamas forces were able to c

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i spoke with john brennan yesterday.e talked about not only just kind of a failure of intelligence, but also a failure of imagination, and it's something our colleague raf sanchez as we're talking about in the last 24 hours. they couldn't even conceive that this could happen. as you say, one of the most skilled intelligence agencies in the world, they pride themselves on being able to hear and see what hamas fighters, what iran does, the reach of their intelligence is extraordinary. our colleagues in washington, d.c., courtney and dan, spoke with u.s. military officials, haiti, and they told our colleagues, we were not tracking this. of course, the u.s. and israel shared lots of intelligence, and they work very closely together. u.s. officials told nbc news that if israel knew there was an imminent attack, they did not share it. but also, john brennan was talking, katie, how this would've been an unbelievably complex planning and coordinated operation over months, possibly over a year, maybe as long as the last two years

john brennan served as director of the cia under president director barack obama, and he joins me noween within israel as one of the most catastrophic intelligence failures in the country's history, in the attack itself. and what an intelligence -- set of intelligence services does in the wake of that, to figure out, basically, what they missed. >> well, chris, there will be a lot of time for postmortems about whether such a colossal intelligence failure. but the intelligence services in israel right now, the -- and the israeli defense forces, which are responsible for gaza, i am sure they are combing through all intelligence to see if there are any indications of follow on hamas attacks, such as when israel launches this ground offensive, or they're going to be some sleepers inside of israel that will carry out some horrific terrorist attacks? so, i am sure that there has been a surge of intelligence collection efforts in gaza, but also to try to determine whether or not there are plans for something else. they don't want to be surprised again. they were surprised once. they were sho

former governor chris christie will be among my guests, but we start our coverage tonight with john brennan, former director of the cia, and jeremy bash, who served as chief of staff about the cia and the pentagon in the obama administration. clearly a lot going on. i appreciate you both being here with the this evening. director brennan, i want to start with you. hamas says they're prepared to receive the non-israeli prisoners when they felt the conditions have been met. -- what they've also said is they will release foreign nationals, not israelis. how do you think this could impact israel's plans for a ground invasion? >> well, certainly, israel has to lytton's to these office. i seem to believe that hamas lacks any credibility at this point. and they may be facing internal divisions within hamas, as well as external pressure coming from arab states such as egypt and qatar, to be at least somewhat accommodating. but i do think it's an effort to try to delay or to make it even more difficult for netanyahu and the israeli war cabinet to make the decision to move in. if there is some prospe

joining me now is john brennan, former cia director under president barack obama, senior national securityto start here, prime minister netanyahu has made this argument the past couple times -- military operation is going to help put the pressure on to get hostages out. what do you make of that argument? >> well, it certainly could as israel and ground forces move into gaza, and the release of this one israeli soldier i think to ask if the hostage family some hope that the offensive operations may lead to the release of their level ads. i'm sure the israelis are acting on intelligence that they have, had, and will try to secure the release of these hostages early on in the offensive. this was an israeli soldier, i'm sure she's been trained to identify some of the weapons, communication gear, tactics, things like code words that these hostage takers were using. that is gonna be a help as well. yes, this is gonna put the hostages at risk of being caught in a fire fight between israeli forces and hamas militants, or a mass militants can follow through on threats to execute them. but there is

punishing on the palestinian people, this is a humanitarian crisis that continues to worsen. >> john brennan, thank you so much, it's a pleasure to have you on the program. thank you. >>> here at home, major fireworks on capitol hill today over the ongoing house speaker fight. so where does this all go next? we're back in 60 seconds. >>> right now, house republicans and house democrats are having party meetings behind closed doors after that second speaker vote ended without a speaker. close trump ally, ohio congressman jim jordan fail to go claim the gavel again, and in fact, he actually lost some of the support he had in the first round. nevertheless, he said just a few minutes ago he plans to keep fighting. >> mr. jordan, i just want to ask you about that last vote and your confidence so far now at your second vote. >> two ballots now, that's where speaker mccarthy was in the process, so we're just going to keep talking to members. >> joining us now, nbc's ali vitali on capitol hill. former republican congressman carlos, and mike ricci, former communications director for paul ryan. good t

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joining me now is john brennan.er cia director under president barack obama and senior national security analyst for msnbc. so, i wanted to start with this speech because obviously, he emphasized, prime minister netanyahu, emphasized resolve, striking back against hamas, as he spoke to the israeli people. he did not mention the hostages. what did you make of that? >> clearly, benjamin netanyahu is trying to demonstrate strength and resolve, in terms of trying to retaliate against hamas. it made it clear to me that he was focusing on trying to crush hamas's leadership, as well as destroy any residual terrorist capability that it might have. but as you point out, he did not make any mention of the hostages, the captives, the innocent civilians who are there. as well as trying to avoid any type of unnecessary casualties. so, clearly, i think it's going to follow through on his promises to this. you don't have a retaliation here that is going to, hopefully not, bring gaza to rubble. but it is clear that he is going to m

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thank you very much, joining me now is john brennan. former cia director, msnbc senior national security and intelligence analyst. john, i wanna come back to a topic that came and brought up right at the beginning of this whole thing. that is the fact that this could happen without israel knowing about it. this is a remarkably large attack. 2200 rockets overnight. people dead on both sides of this battle. how did this happen? that is a good question. it certainly was a tactical surprise. but, for the reasons that have been mentioned, it should not have been a strategic surprise to netanyahu in the israeli government. clearly, we need to condemn the kiing of innocent civilians, or the taking hostage of innocence brilliance. there is a history and a context here that i think we need to make sure is addressed. ever since 1967, the gaza and west bank gaza has had an ongoing suppression. the only accelerated under netanyahu's very right-wing. he really society and therefore he has done more to crush the statehood aspiration of palestinians th

of course, john brennan is better equipped than i am to speak to that, but i would also emphasize, youre every bit as much of a threat to every day americans going about their lives as most foreign terrorist organizations. not necessarily in terms of the big dramatic attack like the hamas attack or like 9/11, but things like we see here on an unfortunately all too regular basis, mass shootings, violent killings like the slaughter of a 6-year-old palestinian boy, these are the things that are often inspired by this general atmosphere of violence and in some ways an acceptability of violence. >> let me play a little bit more of christopher wray on the targeting of the jewish community here in this country for you, director brennan. >> i will say that this is a threat that is reaching in some ways sort of historic levels, in part because, as you know all too well, the jewish community is targeted by terrorists really across the spectrum. homegrown violent extremists, foreign terrorist organizations both sunni and shia, domestic violent extremists and in fact our statistics would indicate

former cia director, senior national kersey as, john brennan is back. then we have john hudson with us. with us at the table, executive producer of showtime, the host of the hell and water podcast. and then john kirby, he talked to my beloved colleague katy tur . he has agreed to stick around. joe kirby, i watch my skill colleague try to get some information out of you about these two hostages that have been released. i know you're being tightlipped for strategic and humanitarian reasons. is there anything you can share with us ? >> not right now, unfortunately, not colbert we are still trying to validate these reports. we hope it is accurate. we hope the more hostages have been released here. we are just not a bird -- able to validate those reports. >> what would it say if there are two more hostages being released and is news account suggested it is for humanitarian reasons? what would you glean from matt? >> the first thing we hope that it is a trend of more releases. hamas could just release everyone. we hope this means there is a process in place to

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lot of people because this clearly by their own acknowledgment was a total surprise, a surprise john brennanormer cia director said was an epic proportions. >> andrea, talking about the white house and navigating this, we heard from israeli prime minister netanyahu just a little while ago, we know we're allies, he did specifically thank the u.s. for their support. how does the white house navigate this conflict? what is this like for the president and the white house? what's the plan? >> the plan is to be 100% as the president himself said yesterday rock solid in support. when it comes to israel's security there's no question, no tuition, no daylight between them. they have had a very difficult relationship. you'll recall going back to 2009 when vice president biden, then vice president biden arrived in israel to discover that the netanyahu was expanding settlements, illegal settlements in the u.s. and u.n. view in the west bank on the very day that joe biden was arriving. he almost turned around and head back. he stayed and have the meeting. it's been difficult this year. he hasn't gotten t

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joining me is john brennan, former cia director and msnbc senior national security analyst, and niera house senior director under president obama and former senior adviser to the state department. i'm lucky to have such esteemed guests in person with me. dr. brennan, i want to start with you. how concerned are you about a wider conflict? if you look at what's happening in terms of what israel's pronouncements are, they're going to bomb and bomb and bomb gaza regardless of the fact there are hostages there, so they're going to bomb, but the people in the region, the countries in the region are saying hang on, we need some restraint and we need some diplomacy. how concerned are you this ends up widening? >> i'm very concerned. i think this is hamas's objective. they knew israel would respond forcefully, with a bombing campaign and a ground incursion, which i believe is going to happen. also, we have to take a look at what iran's role was in it, and if it's uncovered iran played a role and decided to go forward with these atrocious attacks, i think israel is going to have to respond acco

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obviously john brennan ran the cia. he is over on msnbc right now. olberman and his analysis. was he apolitical. another big contract, his role to go on there to bash trump. by the way, brennan and clapper, been hired back at the biden administration to serve on board of dhs. larry: clapper who lied several times under oath before congress, just lied, outright lied. >> right. larry: this has legs. you think this story has legs, whatever robert wray happens to say. so speaking of congress, we've had a little bit of upheaval on the republican side, mark simone. >> yeah. larry: who are you barking for speaker? who are you personally backing for speaker? >> donald trump would be great but that will not happen. i think i just saw him on this program. byron daniels,. larry: byron donald. >> byron donalds. remember if the republicans had first african-american speaker of the house. imagine what would that do -- larry: really smart guy. super smart guy. >> wonderful guy. just doing that, would have a lot of effect on the election next year. larry: president

john brennan who ran the cia, he's over on cnn now. was he really apolitical?with cnn, his role is to go on there and bash trump. brennan and clapper, they've now been hired back bay -- by the biden administration to serve on the board of directors -- larry: i know, i saw that. clapper who lied several times under oath to congress. just lied, outright lied. so you think this stories has legs, whatever robert ray happens to say. so speak of congress, we've had a little bit of upheaval in the republican side, mark simone. >> yeah. larry: who are you backing for speaker? who are you personally backing for speaker? >> donald trump would be great but that's not going to happen. i think i just saw him, byron daniels -- larry: donalds. byron donalds was just on the show. >> imagine if the republicans had the first african-american speaker of the house -- larry: to -- ooh, i haven't heard that yet. by the way, he's a really smart if guy. >> wonderful guy. just doing that would have a lot of effect on the election next year. larry: president trump is going down to speak

with all that in mind, we have a special guess to lead off our coverage, john brennan, the senior -- for obama. you are no stranger to tough stories and situations like this. it's tough for everyone involved. what do you see as the state of play right now and when the president references iran, what is he doing there? >> first after all, ari, i think any conversation on this subject needs to start with the strongest condemnation possible of the barbaric attacks that were perpetrated against innocence by hamas. that was just senseless, senseless violence that has led us to this point. clearly the israelis are going to try to eliminate as much as they can the ongoing threat from hamas as rockets continue to rain down on israeli cities and settlements. so therefore i think they're preparing to move in with great force, overwhelming force into gaza to destroy hamas war making and terrorism making capability but also to find and hopefully recover safely those hostages. i think the statement from president biden today was a clear signal of the extent of usa support for israel but also a cl

didn't the former director of the cia, john brennan, apologize in 2014 when cia workers were caught spying staffers on their keyword searches and e-mails during the cia waterboarding scandal? and it's still going on? >> yeah. there's that issue. and then i would also say this, liz, so not only were they doing this to republican staffers it looks like, but we also know that when it came to investigating democrats like the hunter biden, we know they didn't run the investigation like they were supposed to. we just learned last week from u.s. attorney in pittsburgh scott brady who was tasked by the justice department on january 3rd, 20 20, the look into the hunter biden-ukraine issues, all the information that was coming in, he was supposed to be the clearinghouse tasked by the attorney general, bill barr, to do this. well, guess what? they never told him about the confidential human source until six months into his work with, and they never once told him about the laptop. in fact, during the deposition a week ago i asked mr. brady, i said, when did you learn about the laptop? he got smile on

. >> john brennan, former cia director, thanks as always. that does it for us, for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow us on social media at mitchell reports. "chris jansing reports" starts right now. >>> good day. i'm chris jansing live at our headquarters in new york city. what started as a field of seven is now down to just one. republicans in congress nominating minnesota's tom emmer as their third speaker designate in the past two weeks. but can he succeed where steve scalise and jim jordan failed and get the votes to become speaker? >>> plus, one by one, members of donald trump's inner circle are flipping on their former boss. today, a fourth trump co-defendant, jenna ellis, pleading guilty to charges in georgia. but the biggest gut punch may be yet to come. just moments ago, trump's former fixer, michael cohen, took the stand in new york and very soon we'll get our first view from inside the courthouse because they're on break right now. >>> and as israel ratchets up the pressure on hamas and pounds targets inside gaza,

i want to bring in now john brennan, former cia director and msnbc senior national security and intelligence analyst. mr. brennan, thank you for joining me tonight. i just wonder how -- ellison barber's reporting for msnbc on the border, with gaza, in israel. i wonder what these images, what the dramatic escalation in bombings, what the presence of israeli troops apparently reportedly battling hamas fighters, what that tells you about where we are in this conflict? >> well, alex, i believe this really is the initial phase of what's going to be a ground offensive. it would make a lot of sense for israel to cut off the internet, electricity in the area, so that their forces can control the environment with night vision goggles and equipment. also, they're sending in these tactical units to eliminate hamas units that may be in the way of the ingress routes that israel is going to take. also, maybe to collect additional intelligence, and to maybe go after some of the targets where they believe some of the hostages are held. i do believe that with the buildup of these israeli forces along the bor

but the -- the former cia director john brennan said on this show that this is not the hamas of ten yearshave described the horrors and atrocities of the terrorist attack as i.s.i.s.-like, as has the president, as has the mothers of many of the people who have been taken who i have had a chance to speak to. did we understand the complete conflation of i.s.i.s. tactics with hamas? >> i think obviously from what has taken place, as you described, there's been an intelligence failure of which has to be examined and looked at thoroughly. my belief is that what was taking place by hamas is they do not want peace in the middle east. they do not want peace with israel. when they saw the abraham accords were taking place, negotiations were taking place and people were saying that israel has the right to exist, that that could then mean peace and that would further get rid of them and isolate them, so they had to disrupt. they exist for one reason, to destroy israel. they believe that israel should not exist. that's why we have to get rid of them, because they will never -- they never will want pe

joining our coverage, former cia director, msnbc senior national security analyst john brennan is backrmer israeli ambassador in new york. i don't know whether there's anything to say about donald trump at this point. i know there's an alert in this country to be on heightened alert. there's a real fear and the president of the united states talked yesterday about surging funding to his own department of homeland security to protect jewish institutions, jewish community centers and schools. when you hear a former american president praising hezbollah as very smart, i won-what your list of concerns are? >> well, you used words to describe that speech if i remember correctly. you said it was embarrassing, bizarre and chaotic. i can think of no better description. i must say that watching it i was truly wondering how someone like that has actually occupied the oval office for four years and is attempting to, and according to the polls, has a chance to re-enter it. i truly think that the united states of america, the great united states of america deserves better. i think that what we did

. >> msnbc national senior security analyst john brennan is here. i've wanted to talk to you since this first started happening. i mean, can you take me inside your reflection as sort of the morning, saturday morning revealed the monstrosity of what was happening, was still happening when we woke up saturday. >> well, nicolle, ever since saturday morning, we've gotten more and more reports about just how horrific these attacks were. and i've been involved in counterterrorism for the better part of 40 years, and i must say, this is the most horrific series of attacks that i've ever had the -- had to witness or to talk about. unspeakable, unadulterated evil as president biden said. what they did to babies, murdered them. elderly, women, children, i can't get over it. it's sickening, absolutely sickening. and this was purposed by hamas. this is not the hamas of ten years ago. as it's been said, this is isis again. this is even going beyond isis. these are fanatical terrorists. and that's why i fully understand why the israeli government wants to crush

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