the john dean parallel, nixon is as close to parallel as we've got here. you heard the precedent of executive privilege coming up and now john dean. i actually called john dean to see what he thought of the parallel. here's what he said. there are parallels to the extent that john dean flipped when he thought he was being set up to be the fall guy. there have been suggestions that maybe he'll try to blame it on meadows or eastman and that is an issue. the difference is, though, is dean was sincere. tapes showed that he had been opposing a lot of the worst impulses inside the white house and it was a young enough man where he could remake his life. the constraints of meadows are different, it seems to me, in fundamental ways. he seems to be a go along, get along kind of guy. second of all, the impact of the partisan economy in corrupting people is profound. mark meadows role is to monetize his role as chief of staff and being a good partner to trump and the party. that's a constraining factor that's very different than what folks in the nixon administration

we also were able to get john dean's lawyers. and so, we knew that dean was going to implicate the president before trump and. again, what was being developed by the committee, it was like it was a source in the open that enabled us perhaps to go to the next step. >> and also, i think it got harder, not because of what we had to do, but i think a little bit, we were exhausted, we were going to write a book about this. it wasn't clear. and so, we knocked on fewer doors than we used do. and i think the lesson always is, never stop knocking on doors. >> you mentioned, dean, we have a clip of his testimony that i want to show. and we will talk about his role in all of this. let's watch that and then i will turn to you, bob. >> i began by telling the president that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and if the cancer was not removed, the president himself would be killed by it. i also told him that it was important that this cancer be removed immediately, because it >> how should we think about was growing more deadly every d

we have to get a hold of john dean because he is our key witness. what is everything you told us is wrong -- he told us is wrong? and that is why fairfield is up here and he has revealed this record. sam called me directly and was able to get in touch with me because he knew i was in the witness protection program and he tracked me down to marathon in -- mar-a-lago in florida. i was staying in a deserted beach lowering my profile after 80 million americans were watching the testimony. sam says you have to return and the marshals will get you to your house and i need to meet with you on sunday at the latest on something i cannot tell you about. said, if that is that important, i knew him for many years and i trusted him so i said we would work it out. the next sunday, i had with him in my house in old town and the marshals would have no problem arranging travel and they got me in when sam came out, he was accompanied by jim hamilton come up of his key lawyers -- hamilton, one of his key lawyers. i got a hold of jim hamilton asking if you discussed th

the left including john dean will always find a new dylan, whether it's george w. bush and now ronald reagan and now it's donald trump. they always have that villain in their cross hairs no matter what. now they real like president nixon, donald trump recents a existential threat. he has to be destroyed. so that's why they have continued to try to take president trump out. they have thrown the kitchen sink at this man. the fact that he's standing is a miracle. it's also a testament to his character political and personal that he's survived all of this. i don't know another leader yet alone another human being that could have with stood the pressures and the attacks that president trump has with stood. he represents a future threat because he's likely to be the republican nominee should he seek to purchase so i that and could be the next president as well in which case their power will be even more threatened. in many ways, president trump is even more of a threat as an outsider than richard nixon ever was. >> laura: craig, earlier this week, the presidential histor

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it joining us now, conservative attorney george conway, cnn contributor and former nixon counsel john dean. george, what do you make about the weisselberg deal? a lot of people looked, like he is the guy who knows where the proverbial bodies are buried, in terms of taxes and finances. >> not all that surprised, we saw the resignation of those two prosecutors earlier from the manhattan da's office, because they felt that the new incoming da was not ready to pursue the case in the way that the prior one was. so, i think that this is what we see new york, really going to be focused on the civil side, the new york attorney general who has the authority under a very broad civil statute to bring charges of fraud and insurance fraud and tax fraud. thank fraud. against the trump organization over the trump family. and she would meet a lower burden of proof. would only have to prove that her case b five preponderance of the evidence. and she got a lot of traction, because donald trump pled the fifth amendment, 440 times. and in a civil case, they can use that to infer facts against him and against

with cnn legal analyst jennifer rogers and cnn contributor and former nixon white house counsel john deanall so much for joining me this evening. according to "the washington post" that was sent 100 days after trump left office. what do you think that says about just how long the national archives has been trying to get these documents back. >> this underlines that the national archives is being concerned for quite some time about what trump and people around him might have at mar-a-lago. so we have sort of heard about this sort of exchange before. the post story really is filling out what happened and the alarmism within the national archives, but there was a more anodine way that the archives said before. when the story broke that there were these 15 boxes recovers from mar-a-lago, one of the house committees asked the archives how far back does this go and the archives responded that they had ongoing communications with representatives of former president trump throughout 2021. so that's acknowledging that these conversations did go back. we didn't know that they were like this with ga

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john dean, appreciate your expertise as always, my friend. >> thank you, phil. >>> a federal judge will not delay a ruling ordering senator lindsey graham to appear before a georgia grand jury. now, grandmother has been fighting a subpoena from the d.a. in atlanta investigating republican efforts to overturn the state's 2020 election results. she argued friday that graham's testimony is, quote, crucial to investigators. and the judge has agreed. >>> coming up next, the prime minister of finland is being criticized for a night out with friends. details on the leaked video of her dancing, which seems totally fine at a party which sparked a storm of criticism and what she's doing to quiet that controversy. itit's like i'm back there at 9 elmhurst with all thesese folk. anceststry can guide you to family discoveries in the 1950 census. ♪ ♪ the thing that's different about a vrbo vacation home. you always have the whole place to yourself. no stranger at the dinner table making things awkward. or in another room taking up space. it's just you and y

let's discuss with john dean. john, trump likes to make historical comparisons.facts here, he's flat out wrong, right? >> he doesn't understand what happened during watergate or he's just trying to distort what happened there at his home. and it doesn't work at all, the analogy. >> and so walk me through your thoughts. you know, you get interviewed all the time about your days in nixon. you're a former white house counsel. a pretty smart legal mind. that the fbi and that the attorney general would sign off on a warrant for the former president of the united states to go search his residence in florida, what does that tell you about the state of this investigation? >> it tells me, john, that they were cooperating but somehow trump cut them off and did something that provoked this action. they obviously are very aware of what he has. they may have an inside source that sees some abuse of that material. so they had to take an extraordinary action to protect the national security documents. that appears what this is. the national archives is very aggressive with this

and, you know, as john dean was saying, there's no presumption of privilege here. it's really just the opposite. the documents that were in those boxes, first of all, presumably match the scope of the warrant, which was then based on probable cause, and are covered by the presidential records act or classified documents. so, i mean, i think this is a p.r. move and nothing more. >> maggie, do you have a sense of what the team -- i mean, who is around the former president? who is involved in these sorts of -- i mean, how do things get decided in trump world right now? who are his attorneys? what's the process? >> look, at the end of the day, donald trump is always first and foremost his own adviser on everything, and that includes legal issues. he is obviously not a lawyer, so people can do with that what they will. he likes to find lawyers who will do what he wants. but he has been the person, as i understand it, who was slow on wanting to do anything. he has a handful of lawyers around him in various cases, anderson. remember, this is not the only legal front he is

so, this one should be no different. -- >> you have to. >> john dean, i have a question for you. when you see the landscape right now. this is not a legal issue, this is, of course, the fbi and the og had to have known that this will be blown up into a political issue. when you look at what is happening here, this any at the surprise you, after you've been through with water gate looking at the scenario now and the way the geo piece dealing with this, is this is suppressed you at all? >> it's a disintegration of the republican party. a great irony in a case like this is the silence for the department of justice and the procedures they followed to protect the innocent and donald trump, yet they are turning around and putting the fbi and this process as guilty and somehow elicited and improper. it is beyond irony. it is almost pushing towards the end of obstruction. there are limits to the first amendment. they start getting physical about this, then they will find themselves committing crimes. the fact that the republican party has sunk to this base level, and people who do know b

joining us now, carl bernstein, also former nixon white house counsel john dean.our reaction first of all to the search and what you're hearing from people in the former president's orbit? >> well, first, this is a deadly serious matter. in the view of even former top officials of the trump administration. i spoke today to one of the senior most intelligence officials throughout the trump presidency, and the point he made without knowing what these materials are is that it is virtually impossible in his view that the fbi and the justice department would take this action without knowledge or belief that the materials contained the most sensitive national security information, of real magnitude, that this could not be done unless there was reason to believe that the national security could be grievously injured if these documents got out. it's not just in this person's view, but it's speculative that this would be about the lawyers not being totally truthful but, rather, not being truthful or that there is knowledge that the government now has that what is being wit

joining us now cnn contributor and former nixon white house counsel john dean.ks very much for joining us. this is purely an extraordinarily rare move by the department of justice. in your decades of legal work serving as president nixon's white house counsel, have you ever seen anything like this? >> nothing. it was actually a brilliant move given the circumstances. what trump did is he took his right of privacy about what was going on, just as he was served a subpoena he told nobody when he had a search at his property. he could have told nobody, but he decided the opposite. he put out a really dupious press release where he attacked the institution and he laid doubt about the process and i think it was a foolish move and it will come back and bite him, wolf. >> trump says his attorneys and representatives were cooperating fully with the department of justice and the fbi. does their refusal to unseal this warrant lead you to believe that's the truth? >> well, that could not be the truth. the attorney general, merrick garland is not the kind of man who would go

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"outfront" now, john dean, former nixon whiteout counsel. ump's attorney, christina bobb, could be in legal jeopardy now? >> it simply appears that way. we know from that letter she signed the certification. she did rely on others. she reports in that certification and we don't know what amount of effort she put into it. but she's at high risk signing a document like that, if she's not put some effort into it. that's what can cause her jeopardy. >> as i mentioned, you were the white house counsel for president nixon. but your decision to not help nixon cover up his role in watergate played a huge role in taking him down. you publicly testified and cooperated with the investigation. of course, you thold nixon that there was a cancer growing on the presidency and it needed to be removed. what could you advise christina bobb to do? >> poppy, i taught a course before the pandemic hit all over the country to alert attorneys to what they should look for, because i did get across the law for a brief time and regretted it and tried internally to get

let's just say that scenario happened,d john dean. that's serious. what are the consequences for something like that happening, a government agency doing something like that? >> well, if they have deliberately destroyed this material, they probably all were given notice to retain evidence, you know, i don't know if the january 6th committee did that but it's very likely because we know some of those agencies were put on notice. so the fact that they knew that they were to preserve this evidence and let it disappear as it has is just not going to cut it. we also know that the insp inspector's general have been sitting on this information for quite awhile that raises more suspicion. we have a lot of reasons to be concerned and no answers. no, if this was a grand jury or if this were the watergate era, even, you had a judge who as soon as tapes were missing and inexplicably missing parts of them, he hauled everybody into the court and got right to the bottom of it. we came up with the famous explanation by rose mary woods she believes she accidently era

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and as john dean was saying, there is no presumption of privilege here, it's really just the opposite. the documents that were in those boxes, that presumably match the scope -- which was then based on probable cause. and are covered by the presidential records act or classified documents. i mean, this is a pr move. and nothing. more >> maggie, give a sense of what the team, who's around the former president, who was involved in these, how did things gets decided in trump world right now, who are's attorneys, what's the process? >> look, at the end of the day, donald trump is always focused performance's own advisor on everything. and that includes legal issues is obviously not a lawyer. so people can do with that what they. will he likes to find lawyers alike to do what he wants. but he, has understand it which is slow and lying to do everything, he has a handful of lawyers around him in various cases anderson, it's not the only legal fight he's fighting on one is a man name evan -- on present on june. third when federal officials counter intelligence facials came from a justice depa

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. >>> we want to bring in john dean, who served as white house council in the nixon administration during watergate. and a former fbi senior intelligence adviser, phil mudd. john, i want to start with you. what are you looking for in this justice department filing, especially since they asked for 40 pages instead of the 20 they were granted. it seems like they have something they want to say. >> well, they made it very clear in the motion to the court requesting the additional space that they felt that they had to address the facts that were not properly laid out in the trump brief, and the law was not properly laid out. and that certainly is true. so i can understand why they wanted to go after that. i think what they're going to do is put together a very compelling knockdown of some of the cooperation claims that trump has made by laying out the scenario as it unfolded, and they can do that now with what they could do only under seal for this special master -- i mean, excuse me, for the magistrate judge to get the probable cause. they can now do that in lay language, and broadly explain

. >>> now former nixon white house counsel john dean, federal judge nancy gertner, also with us tonight senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. judge gertner, were you surprised the judge made this call to release the redacted affidavit? >> i was. i was very surprised. the only thing that i think your reporter had it right, that it must be that the government showed that it can disclose something without sort of unpacking the entire investigation. the other thing is that between the time of the search on the 8th until now, a lot has come out about the timeline, about the efforts to get this material and the intrance jens on trump's part. so there may be public facts that they can happily disclose without jeopardizing the kinds of issues that she described. so maybe once he saw that it was possible and they saw that it was possible, he was prepared to do it. >> andrew, we mentioned the judge ruled the identities of witnesses, law enforcement the investigation strategy should remain under seal. what do you expect will be revealed in the redacted version. >> well, anderson, the devil

john dean -- >> they have to. >> i have a question for you. when you see the landscape right now -- because this isn't just a legal issue. this is, of course -- and i think the fbi had to have known this, the doj had to have known -- that this was going to be blown up into a political issue. when you look at what is happening here, does any of this surprise you after what you have been through with watergate? looking at the scenario now with the way the gop is dealing with this, is this a surprise to you at all? >> it's a disintegration of the republican party. and the great irony, particularly in a case like this, is the silence of the department of justice and the procedures they followed are so protect the innocent, protect donald trump. but, yet, they're turning around and painting it -- painting the fbi in this process as guilty and somehow illicit and improper. it's just -- it's beyond irony. it's almost pushing towards the edge of obstruction. there are limits to the first amendment. and if they start getting physical about this, then t

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thanks, joining us george conway, john dean, and cnn chief political analyst georgia borger. >> a lot of people looked at he's the guy who knows where the proverbial bodies are buried in terms of taxes and finances. >> i'm not all that surprised. we saw the resignation of those two prosecutors earlier from the manhattan d.a.'s office because they felt that the new incoming d.a. wasn't willing to pursue the case in the way that the prior one was. so i think this is -- what we see in new york is really going to be focused on the civil side, the new york attorney general who has the authority under a very broad civil statute to bring charges of fraud and, you know, insurance fraud or tax are fraud or bank fraud against the trump organization or the trump family, and she would meet a lower burden of proof. she'd only have to prove, you know, her case be by preponderance of the evidence, and she nogot a lot of traction this week because donald trump pled the fifth amendment 440 times, and in a civil case they can use that to infer facts against him and the trump organization. >> what do yo

also cnn contributor, for nixon white house counsel, john dean. has some experience with tapes. >> andrew, what do you think the reaction within the fbi would be to the release of these surveillance tapes? >> deep concern, the pincers. for a number of reasons. first and foremost, when you are executing a search warrant for the purpose of your covering potentially highly classified material, the last thing you want to have is a video of that material released to the public. that's the entire purpose of the warrant, to recover material, get it back into a place that's -- >> so the fbi, you're saying, wouldn't actually be concerned of what's what the camera might be on. >> exactly, exactly. then, of course, second and a very close second, i might add, is the increased risk that it will pose to these agents. we already know that the trump camp in mar-a-lago released the documents last week that contain the identities of two agents that were on the scene. i'm sure there were many more than two agents on the search warrant, probably a dozen or more folk

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the reaction to that coming outl well, a little revisionist history coming from john dean. that very rich? laura , i mean, it's just it's incredible. look, the left, including john dean, will always find a brand new villain. whetherwill george w. bush or. ronald reagan. and now it's donald trump. onthey always have that villain in their crosshairs no matter what. but nowtheiro they realize thate president nixon, donald trump represents an extra centraltr threat to their absolute gripum on the country and their absolute power. and so he's got to be destroyed and that's why they continue over the last six years and ongoing. solaura , to try to take president trump out. they have thrown the kitchen sink at this man and the fact h that he is still standing is a miracle. it's also a testament to his t character, both political and personal, that he has survived all of this. all i don't know another leader never on another human beingum who could have withstood the pressures and the attacks that donald trump has withstood. but he also represents a future threat because he is like

but let me, let me put it here that an american political commentator john dean, has described mister from as a near perfect authoritarian leader. intimidating bullying exploited highly prejudiced nationalist and specializes in creating false images to sell, sell may or may not be religious for their stocks and it is between the 2 as they both have drawn upon the popularity. by the way, these parties, speech, you have a symbiotic relationship between him and his popularity. the more he gives such kind of speeches against the ruling elite pockets on and against the establishment . and by the way, he has turned to the judiciary as well. and now when we are talking to each other, a cage is being heard. and buck songs some about the high court, where he has been allegedly corrected to be a district and session with all over the city he made in a, in a recent speed. i wanted to ask you though, i mean to tell us about the 10s of thousands of porters of enron calling, who have been coagulating in cities all across the country. here then the ruling party and the government is essentially dele

let's bring in our correspondent evan perez and john dean as well as heavy litman. what a friday night panel to have you all here. let's begin now because there is a lot of concern about these highly classified documents. they were not found in the national archive. but the white house says they are worried about sources and methods being put at risk. and from their perspective i'm wondering if it's now becoming clearer why the fbi had to execute the search warrant? >> that does appear to be there be concern. and usually with these types of documents it is the source and method. a lot of this information if you have a memo prepared for the president ahead of a meeting with foreign leaders, they get all of this information collected by the u.s. intelligence agencies. and that information does get out of date. what doesn't are the sources and methods that they used to collect the information. this is why it stays classified for up to 50 years. and that is one of the concerns that your hearing right now from the administration officials. this was some great reporting f

i want to bring in cnn senior correspondent evan perez, former nixon white house counsel john dean and former u.s. attorney harry littman. look, there's a lot of concern about these highly classified documents. they weren't found at the national archives. they were found at mar-a-lago. the white house is privately saying they are worried about sources at risk. i'm wondering, from their perspective, is it clearer why the fbi had to execute this search warrant? >> it does appear that that is their big concern. usually with these types of documents, it's the sources and methods. a lot of this information, if you have a memo prepared for the president ahead of a meeting with foreign leaders, they get all of this information that's collected by the u.s. intelligence agencies, and that information does get out of date. what doesn't get out of date are the sources and methods that they use to collect this information. this is why this stuff stays classified for up to 50 years in many cases. that's one of the concerns you hear from administration officials. this was great reporting from kaitla

joining me, george conway and john dean the form er nixon whie house counsel.re also going to talk about things that had to do with other reports. okay? george, this email was sent roughly 100 days after trump left office and it illustrates how long the archives were trying to get these documents before the fbi search. there is a list up on the screen now. >> yeah, it's completely incredible how much he basically stiff armed trump stiff armed these documents. so far, he has not articulated and none of his lawyers or representatives articulated a cohaerent defense to the charge he stole these documents and this just -- this just enhances that because it just shows that from the very beginning, his own people, pat cipollone told him or believed these documents had to go back. no question they had to go back and yet, he took more requests, more meetings, a search subpoena and a search warrant that is just incredible. >> george, for all the people who are saying well, he complied, he was trying to work with the archives and department of justice. to that you say wh

well and i want to bring in cnn contributor john dean, the former nixon white house counsel. along with stewart, the former fbi special agent. gentlemen let's just talk about this. john, a search on a former presidents home? this is really a first. i gotta know, what went through your mind in particular when you heard about this? >> my first reaction was, there had to be something that caused him to not give some sort of -- a just don't like this to get a subpoena. they had to have had some difficult negotiations. they have to -- they probably have ended. we know that trump has a tendency to huff and puff. if something broke down and the government decided we have to take action, they're missing documents or destroyed documents, or whatever, and they made a case to a judge who would then willingly issued this search warrant. as you know, laura, you just don't do that by rubberstamp -ing them. we want to hear the case, with potential crime has been violated. why they believe the evidence is there. which they believe the search warrant is going to produce. this was not a spur of

and cnn contributor and former white house counsel john dean, and cnn legal analysis and former u.s. sistant attorney general to the southern district of new york, jennifer rogers. all very accomplished minds, and very awesome. people thank you for joining us tonight, john, what would pat cipollone, and philbin know about this mar-a-lago documents as white house lawyers? what would they know? >> well, they unnaturally worthy contact points for the archives, and making some of the decisions about what should and should not go. they later got removed from that post, as i think the things of january six unraveled and they were all hands on deck there. but they know apparently a lot, and according to the reporting, they were able to tell the archives that, no, trump did not want to cooperate, he believed these documents were his. and apparently philbin tried to help facilitate getting that information to actually go to the archives. so, they know a little bit, they don't know all the details. i don't think they're involved in packing or shipping. but they certainly have the big picture. b

john dean, who was nixon's counsel. pat buchanan, a nixon aide who later ran for president three times. he sought and failed to win the republican nomination. alexander hague who was nixon's chief of staff later in the watergate period. ron ziglar, he was a press secretary, the one who referred to watergate as a third rate burglary. these were all among the candidates, these and many more were identified as likely sources. likely to have been deep throat. there were college courses, one of them at the university of illinois, that spence semesters digging through the clues and all the presidents men to try to figure out who the most likely source was. one of these efforts identified pat buchanan, the arch conservative republican who seemed on his face to be quite unlikely to have been deep throat, but since he was a native of washington or, had lived in washington for many years, he knew some of the ends announce that were discussed in the book. so this college, it seems like he was the most likely candidate. a very comm

i want to give you an opportunity to respond to criticism that went your way from john dean.ied in the first impeachment trial, you might have persuaded them to remove him and we'll be done. moving pastinsult, if you could address the substance. >> if would have made no difference. the people that led the pee impeachment made the situation worse. they made no effort whatever to broaden the support for the impeachment in many, many ways. it would take a long time to describe. they were satisfied that trump had been impeached. nancy pelosi says over and over again he will always be impeached. and they failed to take into account that he was going to be acquitted by the senate. so the result is that they thought that -- they surely didn't think that they could remove him from office, but they thought that impeachment would constrain or deter him from further conduct. y but the malpractice felt that he was emboldened. and that wouldn't be alleviated by me or anybody else. it was a fundamental political flaw in the way that they went about it. >> and you referred to rudy giuliani

kaitlan collins, and john dean, former nixon white house counsel. brian, the justice department, the way it is put in here say it is a lot of classified records found at mar-a-lago. that's definitely true. the breakdown again of the 184 classified documents included 67 confidential, 92 secret, and 25 top secret. when you saw those numbers, what did you think? >> i thought it was very alarming. to have the number attached to the acronyms, it is very alarming. because it means that this is the most highly sensitive information and could therefore compromise people who put their lives on the line who are, for example, clandestine sources. and it could compromise the surveillance that we use. it has ripple effects beyond even just the documents themselves. >> kaitlan, one they know we've been hearing, former trump officials after seeing how it is all described. they weren't at all surprised to hear that trump had classified documents mixed in with other documents. the way it is described as, he was known to walk around the white house, walk around mar-a

joining us, david laufman and john dean, testified to congress during the watergate scandal. david, i wonder if i can begin with you because you have direct experience with these kinds of investigations, including the hillary clinton email investigation and that involving david petraeus' handling of classified information. what happens next in this investigation, particularly on the line of what the risk was to these documents and who might have had access to them while they were in the president's home. >> the department of justice prosecutors will take a new line of investigative activity. they will closely review these classified materials recovered from mar-a-lago. they will confer with u.s. intelligence agencies that generated the collection, resulting in the preparation of these reports, they'll conduct whatever additional interviews they need to determine how it was these documents were brought to mar-a-lago in the first place, who was involved in the decisions at the white house to bring them there, to what extent was the former president involved, who made these key