but two days after the attack on the capitol, it was reported that house minority leader kevin mccarthy got into a screaming match on the phone with donald trump while the capitol was being invaded. mccarthy, quote, demanded that trump release a statement denouncing the mob. initially trump would not agree to do it. trump, also under pressure from top aides to act, finally relented and said he would send a tweet. that wasn't good enough for mccarthy who wanted more t. trump later issued a tepid statement that criticized the protesters while still saying he won the election. that video didn't criticize the protesters. all of that was reported just two days after the invasion of the capitol. and today -- today -- we have very important additional reporting quoting what donald trump actually said on that phone call. well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by mccarthy. a furious mccarthy told the president the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows and asked

herrera is likely to say namely she will testify to the conversation that she heard between kevin mccarthy and donald trump if kevin mccarthy then takes the stand and denies it that will be an extremely difficult situation for the senate to be placed in so i think that kevin mccarthy will be in a difficult position he almost has to take the stand now and in fact defend the defense team almost has to call him to rebut what congresswoman herrera will say there should then be other witnesses and in fact one witness will probably lead to another one of the big questions in my mind is whether or not any of the insurrectionists who said that they were inspired by donald trump and were awaiting his instructions because such as jessica walk ins or edward mcconnell both of whom have been charged with conspiracy and the question is how broad does that conspiracy go who is included in that conspiracy will any of the republican senators who have been supportive of rejecting the certification of votes and who seem to have had contact with donald trump on that day will any of them be called to testify b

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it's about a conversation kevin mccarthy had with the president on january 6th. according congresswoman jaime herrera beutler, she said mccarthy told the president -- his recounting -- you have to hold them. you need to get on tv right now. get on twitter. call these people off. going on the president responded. kevin, they're not my people. the president was saying these are antifa protesters. mr. mccarthy they're your people. call them off. the president said i guess these people are more angry about the election than you are. michael van der veen said it's all hearsay. kevin mccarthy is disavowing it. kevin mccarthy spoke to us as it was unfolding on january 6th. let's listen. congressman, president trump has not condemned this or called the protesters to step down. can you convince him to come out? will you do that? >> as i was stuck within my room, i called the president. explained to him what was going on. i know he put a tweet out. i begged him to go talk to the nation. don't do it by twitter. i know that he's doing a message right now. i called back. this

that is up to kevin mccarthy. cheney has said she would like the vote to take place which would indicate she believes she has the support of the conference behind her, but we're still waiting to see what the outof that decision will be. >> i mean, this just incredible. the republican party now is looking about voting about liz cheney, not about marjorie taylor greene and her committee assignments. is that just completely off the table as far as republicans are concerned? i know democrats could take her off and seem to want to. the republicans, has mccarthy decide they're not going to remove marjorie taylor greene from committee assignments? >> essentially, that's what it looks like is going to happen. this meeting is all about liz cheney. they talked very little about marjorie taylor greene. >> wow. >> she got up and did speak herself for a few minutes and actually got somewhat of a standing ovation from a good portion of the conference that we're told. you know, there was one congressman, adam kinzinger of illino

a shouting match with kevin mccarthy begging trump to call off the capitol rioters. saying trump refused, saying his supporters cared more about the election results than mccarthy did. this just hours before closing arguments and the final vote in the senate. trump's lawyers quickly wrapping up their case, but a source close to mike pence saying trump's team was not telling the truth when they claim trump didn't know pence was in danger during the riot. a source telling cnn one of the trump lawyers tried to quit the team in a dispute over the use of video

and so what do -- first of all, what's taken kevin mccarthy so long, do you think, congressman? >> well, good morning, alisyn. it's good to be with fred always. i can't tell you what's in kevin's mind. i don't understand the lack of leadership. i don't understand the refusal to acknowledge that when someone engages in conspiracy theories and dangerous racist and anti-semitic and islam foeb lies, one someone harasses kids trying to keep their fellow classmates safe, and insults the memory of the loved ones lost by fred and so many others around the country, i don't understand why kevin mccarthy can't simply say there's just no place for this person on any committee but especially on the house education committee whose job is to help keep our kids safe. it's a line in the sand moment for him and hi caucus. but if he refuses to do the right things, someone has to stand up for the integrity of the house, the memory of the lives lost and for people like fred. that's what we're going to do if kevin mccarthy won't act, we will. >> what would you do, congressman? what can democrats do? >

issued a statement confirming that in the middle of the insurrection when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help president trump responded and i quote well kevin i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are we would like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera regarding her communications with house minority leader kevin mccarthy if they want to have witnesses i'm going to need at least over 100 depositions the only thing that i ask if you vote for a witness is do not handcuff me by limiting the number of witnesses that i can have i need to do a thorough investigation that they did not do. i need to do the 911 style investigation that nancy pelosi called for i think more michael vanderveen who is donald trump's lawyer seems to forget is that this isn't a court of law there are different rules for impeachment hearing so it's not quite the same he of course isn't a constitutional lawyer he's not a civil rights expert he's a personal injury lawyer from philadelphia and so he doesn't get to decide in a court of law he could see wh

the fact that he was aware of the problems that were going on but then this conversation with kevin mccarthy where mccarthy flat out years didn't ask trump to call the rioters off and trump says you know kevin mccarthy you don't care about the election results as much as they do and frankly just refuses to call them off and is later sending tweets that seems to continue to incite them so i think that's really the issue and then last night we heard from this republican congresswoman who had never been a factor before and she sends out a tweet on social media saying that now is the time for patriots to come forward and tell the truth about what happens so i think that the house impeachment managers probably see that there is perhaps an opening here on the other hand as much as they would have might have thought that you have to the contrary this morning. mcconnell the senate and minority leader now says he can't see voting to convict and he is basing his argument not on the how the president incited the insurrection but on the the very faulty argument that the constitution doesn't allow for th

trump tells mccarthy -- and i quote -- quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. that's what the president of the united states said. mccarthy responds, who the f do you think you're talking to? this exchange, according to sources, set off as what has been described as a shouting match between the two men. and all these sources are republicans. according to republican members of congress, the phone call showed that trump had no intention of calling off the rioters, that it essentially amounted to a dereliction of his presidential duty. jeff zeleny is outfront live on capitol hill. jeff, this is really stunning, right? we knew that mccarthy had talked to trump and pleaded with trump, and trump hadn't done anything. but these are the details. pleaded with him, and trump says, they care more than you, taking the side of the rioters and opting to do nothing. >> reporter: erin, the reason why this is important, because it speaks to the mind-set of the president in those critical hours of the afternoon of january 6th when this capitol was under

kevin mccarthy was in the back saying i see some good candidates there.hinking what district can i run him for? speaking of that, election day was rough in some ways, really rough, but in other ways, it really gave me great optimism for the future. the greatest story of election night was getting so close to getting that gavel from nancy pelosi. did it shock you that you got that close? >> we got closer than anyone thought we could get. they said we are going to lose 20 seats, no one said we are going to win seats. my dearest friend is a hard-core republican said the best we can do is lose 10. do you know why we one that? president trump worked on all these races. i want you to tell your friends, especially your liberal friends. it's the first time since 1994 no republican incumbent lost. you know who the 15 democrats lost to? conservative women and conservative minorities, each and every one of them. [applause] and what happened is even when president trump was sick with covid, he called me and said we have to keep doing this because we could not do the

kevin mccarthy then responded with some expletives when he came off that call he apparently told a number of members of the republican party who were a republican congressmen and women and that is what jimmy ruskin wants to get to he wants to depose the woman who gave that evidence she described herself as a petri for coming forward and also he wants to speak to anyone else that she might suggest who actually was there know when they talk about deposition this means under oath you're legally obliged to tell the truth so you can't just walk full or owned it and say oh well you know we don't trump says also that you have to answer the question. what i said when we were talking earlier sammy is if we started talking about the possibility of witnesses then the defense we're going to get in the words that were given to me they're going to get dirty and you hear that he's going to subpoena nancy pelosi he's going to subpoena kummel horace he said i will drop hundreds of depositions so his intention is essentially to gum up the wo

here is kevin mccarthy. around and goes to florida to kiss trump's ring. what is that? it is a party that's lost its way. when mitch mcconnell tells us vote your conscience, you know what that means, vote your political future. that's what it means. so we know what that's going to result in. >> why does that political future mean siding with president trump? you talk to, think about constituents all the time. what is it about the american people that makes the american people not see the difference between right and wrong here. >> it is not all of the american people, it is trump's base. it is trump's base that they're afraid of. and they're also afraid of trump because trump continues to hold sway. here's a guy that's such a narcissist, do we think he is going to fade into the sunset? i don't think so. they're very fearful of trump and his base. thankfully not all of the american people. i say the majority of american people right now seeing the evidence presented and riots and murderers' intent, i think the

and kevin mccarthy has the ability to do the right thing. should. >> reporter: some republicans also calling out mccarthy's handling of greene. one member telling cnn if mccarthy "doesn't act he's going to continue to look indecisive." but the republican conference is far from united. with other members arguing that removing greene from committees now could have long-lasting consequences. >> they're setting themselves up for recetribution and i think is a bad precedent. parties handle this and discipline internally. >> reporter: amid the fall outout over greene republicans also facing a split over party support for trump. mccarthy offering tepid support for cheney after her impeachment vote. >> i support her but i also have concerns. she took a position as a number 3 member in conference. she never told me ahead of time. >> reporter: which followed mccarthy's own critical comments on the president's role in inspiring the january 6th ins rex. mckarthdy then flying to florida to meet face to face with the president. ahead of the meeting some r

so what would kevin mccarthy do?ing to the president' defense disputing congresswoman herrera beutler's testimony, but he would have to do that under oath and they have to be concerned about submitting a declaration under oath and not being truthful. i imagine those discussions are going on between the trump defense team and kevin mccarthy and who knows where that will end up. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you so much for joining us and for your perspective. >>> one of the people who has been talking the last couple of days is senator ted cruz. let's listen to what he has to say. >> what she knew specifically and in particular she could testify we heard already the house sergeant in arms turn down national guard protection from the capitol on january 6th because of, quote, the optics. i think speaker pelosi can testify as to whether she made a decision based on optics, based on politics, not to have additional protection at the capitol to prevent the terrorist attack that played out. my view remains is we don't n

she certainly owes kevin mccarthy. he did stand up for her in the conference so that is no small thing but the democratic national campaign committee already doing ads for vulnerable republicans calling them members of q district. that's so fascinating here. that's why that vote today will be remembered for, you know, the next almost two years before election day 2022. >> guys, really interesting points. so glad you guys share them with us. >>> as we've seen, too many americans are falling in the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. how can they get out of it next. >>> qanon followers actually believed that donald trump was going to round up all democrats and throw them in jail on the day of joe biden's inauguration. they also believed there's a global sex trafficking ring being run out of a pizza parlor basement. but some of the hard core followers of qanon are now beginning to snap out of it. here is what one former qanon believer told donie o'sullivan. >> if he were to have said something, and if he were to just say

angry phone call that kevin mccarthy had with donald trump where kevin mccarthy was trying to get donaldatement explaining that she has been telling her constituents this actually for several days now, that this is why she voted to impeach the president. she reports that kevin mccarthy told her that donald trump said to him while the attackers were in the capitol and he was watching it on tv, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. congresswoman hererra butler goes on to stay in her written statement, since i publicly announced my decision to vote for impeachment i have shared these details in countless conversations with constituents and colleagues and multiple times through the media and other public forums. she has been doing this back in her district, and so it hasn't been coming to national media attention until tonight. i told it to "the daily news" of long view on january 17th. i have shared it with local county republican executive board members as well as other constituents who asked me to explain my vote. i shared it with thousands of r

not anymore, because kevin mccarthy is the right leader for the right time to win back the majority. is going to be the best speaker of the house the united states has ever had. matt: kevin would like you to keep talking. minority leader mccarthy: i yield the rest of my time. representative banks: i want to tell you the truth, it is great to be in florida. you guys are normal, open, i don't have to wear a mask. it is so much better than california did you guys like it when kevin mccarthy said it was the right thing for donald trump to be at cpac? i don't know what your response to that would be. [applause] and we are getting closer. matt: we were talking backstage, and we talked about this with ambassador lighthizer and senator, my god, the new senator from tennessee, it is escaping, bill hagerty. it fell out of my mind. a lot is going on. we were talking about the fact this new republican party, this new coalition is really focused on the working men and women, forgotten men and women. we are focused on the actual workers. minority leader mccarthy: that is exactly true. a new poll c

come on, kevin mccarthy. turnip truck. didn't fall off yesterday. that is insulting. think about that. qanon, i don't know what it is. if you were going to be the one who has to talk to this member and figure out what to do with her assignments because of her beliefs as a qanon person, wouldn't you at least figure out what qanon is? he knows. but he thinks you're stupid. but now marjorie taylor greene says that those comments don't reflect who she is. and for that, the qop, the qanon old party, their conference gave a standing ovation to a known bigot and conspiracy theorist. let me just remind you what they're cheering for when they cheer marjorie taylor greene. let me just remind you of those past comments that she's -- that he says he doesn't really understand, doesn't know about the -- whatever. and that she says doesn't reflect who she is. >> the so-called plane that crashed into the pentagon, it's odd there's never any evidence shown for a plane in the pentagon. there is an islamic invasion into our government offices right now. kennedy getting killed in the pla

people are calling kevin mccarthy, kevin with a "q" instead of a "k." democrats think this is going to be a winning issue politically. they're fund raising off of it. they are sending out campaign ads regarding it as well and while they're simultaneously trying to strip marjorie taylor greene from her committee assignment they also are secretly giddy and thrilled at the fact that kevin mccarthy didn't do anything to punish her because now it plays into their dynamic that they are, in fact, the party of extremists. >> well, and that is a question. have they become the stereo type that democrats are trying to create? leigh ann caldwell on capitol hill for us this morning. thank you for getting us started. >>> and former pennsylvania congressman ryan costello. has kevin mccarthy allowed the republican party to be painted as the stereotype that democrats are trying to create? >> i don't see it that way. every member has the right to speak their voice. i don't agree with a great deal of what representative greene has said. but at the same point in time i thi

knew there was a phone call that took place on january 6th between trump and republican leader kevin mccarthy. when mccarthy called trump begging trump to stop the rioters, i have spoken to multiple republican members of the house have knowledge of that call and who say after trump tried to say to kevin, it's not my people, mccarthy responded no, these are your people to which trump then said these are the new details. quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are and then mccarthy responded, who the f do you think you're talking to? anderson, cnn confirmed this exchange with republican congresswoman jamie herrera butler of washington who was briefed on the call directly by kevin mccarthy on january 10th, she has been taking copious notes throughout -- since the insurrection and the impeachment and she took very precise notes on their call. we're also told by several other republican members that kevin mccarthy wasn't shy about talking about this exchange with trump, that he wanted republicans in his conference to know about it and congresswoman herre

i saw bill kristol on twitter going viral with calling kevin mccarthy kevin mcqarthy.efined with this qanon conspiracy theory, partly because of his unwillingness to take stronger action against marjorie taylor greene. and he's denying that he knows anything about it. >> seung min, one place where they're not talking or trying not to talk about marjorie taylor greene, and it's interesting, is the white house, which you cover. so what's going on there. what is joe biden's positions? what's the white house angle on all of this? >> well, it was really interesting. you've seen press secretary jen psaki get asked about this. not too much, but at least a couple of times. and the most recent time was yesterday in the briefing room, when i was there. she was asked whether president biden had any view on whether congresswoman greene should lose her committee assignments. and jen had repeated something that she said before, that she is not going to talk about the congresswoman in that briefing room. and that is very strategic here. i mean, they have -- you know, they are singula

that's kevin mccarthy's party. nce to clean things up last night. . >> he did. >> and he didn't. now it's not mccarthy's republican party. it's qanon's republican party pause what kevin wouldn't do last night. . >> he has lost sight of his own soul at this point. >>> top of the hour now. john heilman is still with us. and joining the congress, eddie tkphraud jr., jake sherman with punch news, msnbc contributor. . >> hey, jake, we just heard our discussion, the last hour or so, about what happened last night. kevin mccarthy had a chance to do the right thing. to help the republican party move forward. and he blinked. what's next? >> what's next, she's emboldened. marjorie taylor greene is now raising money, six figures she has raised on twitter off this incident. she said something interesting which didn't get a lot of attention. she said if nancy pelosi was the minority leader, she would be bending over backward to protect anybody in her caucus. the implication being kevin was not bending over backward. although mcc

moments ago democrats said this about house minority leader kevin mccarthy. >> why would kevin mccarthy continue to associate himself and the republican conference with someone who leader mitch mcconnell has characterized as a cancer? the last time i checked, cancers need to be cut out and not allowed to metastasize. and kevin mccarthy has the ability to do the right thing he should. >> but greene will not be the only urgent topic the republicans will need to address when they meet here in a few hours. wyoming congresswoman liz cheney is on the fence of being ousted for voting to impeach former president trump in his second impeachment. she has been shoring up support behind the scenes. that includes from senate republican leader mitch mcconnell. republicans are facing a critical reckoning. will they encourage, quoting one gop senator, the coux of their party or those who vote their conscience like liz cheney or try to get away with doing both? we have cnn congressional correspondent jessica dean and jamie gangel. they were not able to come to an agreement about greene late this morning

what was kevin mccarthy saying back to him. do they depose someone like mike pence? this becomes the investigation event. general honore, a report is due in mid march and a lot could be what they find out in the interviews if they open the door up. this is very significant, but again, you know, you have to wonder if democrats, did they find some sort of a smoking gun here that they think, you know, could actually sway republican senators, something so malevolent in the conversation with mccarthy or something pertaining to his disposition of mike pence when pence was here with the nuclear codes at the capitol when it was under siege, is there something they think could switch votes? that's unclear and we don't know. that's the shell game that goes on between counsel at a stage like this because you don't quite know what the other side. i think when you say that mike van der veen was caught off guard, i think there's something to that. we thought, again, a small chance they might have witnesses or have this debate about witnesses and that would be that. this is why it

just listen to what kevin mccarthy said about qanon overnight? and i want to remind people what he said about it before. so listen. >> i think it would be helpful if you could hear exactly what she told all of us. denouncing qanon -- i don't know if i say it right, i don't even know what it is. there is no play for qanon in the republican party. i do not support it. >> so when the leader of the republican party says, i don't even know what qanon is, dismisses it, even as he says some other things, as well. again, your experience in the fbi, extremist groups, people inside organizations look this w what do they hear when someone like kevin mccarthy says that? >> well, here's the problem. everybody should know what this group is. if you're a republican, you need to understand that this group is trying to latch on your leg and gain a platform in the -- in politics in the united states that evaluates them from the gutter of which they come. and so it's really important that you do know who they are and you push back on those hateful ideas. remember,

tense words between kevin mccarthy and donald trump particularly when it came to kevin mccarthy asking donald trump to call his supporters away from the capitol and then suggesting that they were more concerned about the election result and some republicans in congress to which kevin mccarthy. we responded with a couple of expletives so they became part of the record of reporting after business on friday and so 1st thing on saturday the democrats decided that this was an avenue that had to be explored and essentially to be put on the record and they wanted to do that by calling witnesses it would have slowed and slowed the whole process up it would probably not have changed many views of those who were going to vote anyway but they decided that for the historical record and to put this in front of the american people this had to be done so that is why the house impeachment managers remember what independently from the democrat leadership in the senate decided to call witnesses and that's why they put that forward at the point they were meant to put forward the senate voted but no if th

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what is kevin mccarthy thinking here? didn't he do something about this earlier, perhaps before she even won her primary, and allowed this to become such a problem? >> because kevin mccarthy's not a real leader. you know, he had the opportunity to lead, to be the house speaker back when john boehner resigned, but he blew it then and he's blowing it now. he is just trying to have it both ways, and that's the problem. he thinks that he can downplay the qanon, which he is now, as nancy pelosi said, you know, the congressman "q" from california. and he's also trying to show support for liz cheney. as you said, we're going to move to that next. but you can't have it both ways. and he's trying to appease everyone, and that's not what a leader does. >> so, on the liz cheney question, i mean, it is clear that that was an overwhelming vote. that was not a close vote to keep liz cheney in her position. and having covered her, i mean, she is not someone -- i think she's demonstrated, people have seen how she -- first of all, she too

so kevin mccarthy has to decide which side he's on. he hasn't really shown an ability to do that. >> listen, the party has to make a calculation as to what side the voter is on as well, right? and there's a real split there, although it seems the voters stick with the trump wing. charlie, jamie, stick around. we have more questions for you. let's bring back lauren fox. the other big thing, still, waiting to happen on the hill today is a power-sharing deal among republicans and democrats. listen, it's 50-50 but with the vp breaking the tie, democrats are the majority. what's holding up a rules-setting deal here so they can get on to other business? >> it has been weeks, jim, that we have been waiting for an agreement that would officially shift over who controls the committee's gavels. that's obviously very important because those committees are setting the agenda for when biden's nominees can move through. and there are different relationships on these committees. some committee chairs have allowed the nominations to advance even thoug

now kevin mccarthy is saying, mr. president, we're under attack by this mob and here's the president saying, look, kevin, they're the ones who care about this election, meaning donald trump's fraudulent explanation that he was cheated out of an election. so it undermines the entire defense that the president's lawyers have put on, and as jamie raskin noted, if donald trump wants top come put forward his side of the story, be our guest. come sit in front of the senate, be sworn in and tell the truth. they obviously don't want him to do that because they know it will put him in even more legal jeopardy. >> also to me it highlights much of the factual record is unclear. we saw incredible amounts of video footage. something like this indicates it's not complete and would seem to suggest that witnesses might be appropriate here. you could subpoena kevin mccarthy. there are people that could come and talk under oath, not just the president. why not do that? >> well, that will be a question that the house managers have to de

this after hoyer and kevin mccarthy had a conversation this morning.t turn out that they reached any sort of an agreement. i'm told heading into that meeting kevin mccarthy wanted to see if he could head off this floor vote and see if they could come to, to some sort of resolution. they had discussed a variety of options about whether they can punish her in other way, maybe just take her off the education committee, given the conspiracy theories that she said before she was a member of congress about the parklandmass kaer in 2018 being a false flag, obviously that is 100% not true, and that has caused alarm on all corners here on capitol hill. but republicans are grappling with how to deal with that, contending that it's not necessarily appropriate to move ahead and punish a member for things they said before they were a member of congress. that's how they were thinking about it and debating what to do behind the scenes last night. they took it to steny hoyer this morning. he said, no, she needs to be punished the same way that steve king the former io

state issued a statement confirming in the middle of the insurrection, when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president tq beg for help, president trump responded, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election and you are. needless to say, this is an additional critical piece of cooperating evidence for me confirming the evidence before you as well as willful duty and possession of duty as commander in chief of the united states. his further incitement of the insurrection january 6. for that reason, because this is the proper time to do so under the resolution of the senate adopted, the rules for the trial, we'd like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera regarding her communications with house minority leader kevin mccarthy and subpoena her contemporary notes that she made regarding what president trump told kevin mccarthy in the middle of the insurrection be prepared to proceed by assume of an hour or less. congresswoman herrera butler is available and then proceed to the next phase of the trial including the introduction of that testimony shortly

so this is a key moment in kevin mccarthy's tenure. i hope the politico report is true. i hope he gets this right. he has to take a stand now. i will be the first to admit, i was slow to understand just how pervasive the conspiracy theory culture has become. i didn't understand it for a long time. i get it now. look at what happened on january 6th. you cannot let this continue to metastasize. it has to be dealt with right now. >> if kevin mccarthy, part of what the report said was that maybe he would just take away one of her committee standings. so the education committee because how can she make any policy decisions regarding children after she doesn't believe that parkland and sandy hook happened or maybe they were inside jobs and she's harassed david hogg. so they might take that away. if they take one away, instead of two, is that good enough? >> no. there's no half measure here. what they are deciding is who can carry the republican banner. they are deciding who they want to be affiliated with. they are deciding who they want to be defined by. and they are either g

>>> we would like opportunity to get the notes made regarding what president trump told kevin mccarthy in the middle of the insurrection. >> i think that's inappropriate and improper. we should close this case out today. >> instead of closing arguments, a surprise vote. the senate will now allow witnesses in former president trump's second impeachment trial. that breaking news is a dramatic twist this morning to the fate of the former president's political career, charged with inciting the violent insurrection of the u.s. capitol. at the 11th hour, the senate's expected decision is pushed to another day. >> last night, congresswoman jaime herrera beutler of washington state issued a statement confirming in the middle of the insurrection when house minority leader kevin mccarthy called the president to beg for help, president trump responded, and i quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. >> the news of the phone call coming to light last night is the source of the new decision. democratic impeachment managers arguing they need to hear fro

night talking about how angry and heated the conversation was as the riot was ongoing between kevin mccarthy the top republican in the house and former president trump, remember mccarthy went down to florida three weeks after that and sought access to trump's donor list. because he knows he is playing a big role in 2022. i want not just the donor list that kevin kmaerpgt wants but the president's sale of approval to get republicans to take back the house. what i'm told we should expect in the immediate future is that former president trump bruvrp is going overseas to give paid speeches. likely to hold domestic rallies at home tarring those who have crossed him politically. you can guess the republican senators from today could be on the list, those voting to convict him. that's what we should see in the future. i am told wolf, we'll likely see more of former president trump in the weeks to come. he won't be playing as much as of a behind the scenes role as he has been the last few weeks. so whether or not we hear from him in person on this, that still remains to be seen, wolf. >> excellent r

issued a statement confirming that, in the middle of the insurrection, when house minority leader kevin mccarthyi quote, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. needless to say, this is an additional, critical piece of corroborating evidence, further confirming the charges before you, as well as the president's wilful dereliction of duty and desertion of duty, as commander in chief of the united states, his state of mind, and his further incitement of the insurrection on january six. for that reason, and because this is the proper time to do so under the resolution of the senate adopted to set the rules for the trial, we would like the opportunity to subpoena congresswoman herrera, regarding her conversations with kevin mccarthy, and two subpoenaed a contemporaneous notes over what president trump told kevin mccarthy in the middle of the insurrection. our correspondent gary o'donoghue is on capitol hill. you have been following events for as long as they've taken place, what is happening at the moment? the?i is happening at the moment? they have taken a

kevin mccarthy goes off to mar-a-lago. what is former president trump's next move?bet on that. so joe biden does want to move on. he wants to get his cabinet confirmed and get a covid relief package. he will be judged not on the impeachment of donald trump, but he'll be judged on the vaccine rollout and does the economy bounce back with the vaccine rollout. he wants to get to it. but he's also the president of a country that is going through trump

shame on kevin mccarthy.uarantee you today that kevin mccarthy did not admonish marjorie greene. he counseled marjorie greene on how to get through this moment. kevin mccarthy needs marjorie greene. marjorie greene does not need kevin mccarthy. he's going to do what he can to help her through this moment. >> that's exactly right. how much into the so-called establishment did this group, this facebook group that marjorie greene was hosting dig? she isn't some aberrant figure inside politics. >> donald trump wasn't an aberrant figure and he's been promoting conspiracy theories for years. birtherism got him into the job in the first place. to david jolly's point, john boehner wanted the tea party despite a lot of the hatred and some of the conspiracy theories they were pushing. and you have conspiracy theories about jewish space lasers and john f. kennedy jr. being killed in a mysterious way. you see this ready -- this appeal to violence with memes and other things that are on this facebook page. that's as impor

kevin mccarthy can suddenly claim he doesn't know what qanon is?nounced it in the past, and now he's saying, what is qanon, i don't even know how to pronounce it. he has members that are qanon conspiracy theorists in his caucus. >> they have deadly consequences and horrific consequences. marjorie taylor greene is speaking on the floor of the house of representatives right now. we're tracking that to see if there is contrition to come. the point nia-malika henderson just raised about kevin mccarthy. your title is leader. you don't earn the title if you denounce yourself. here's kevin mccarthy last summer. >> i think it would be helpful if you could hear exactly what she told all of us, denouncing qanon -- i don't know if i'm saying it right, i don't even know what it is. there is no place for qanon in the republican party. i do not support it. >> does he really think that we're stupid, that republican voters, his voters, are stupid, that we're not going to go back and look at what he said in the past? this fits this pattern. remember back when the m

you mentioned, by the way, mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy.resident of the united states and said he was responsible for the mob. are -- is yours going to be one of those, you know, golly, you know, we have to get along so i'm going to ignore what a rino you are, or are you going to do something about it? the aren't there fights worth having if you're a republican? i am so sick of these, these empty suits parading around like they're some kind of political arch angel that has decided to bless us with their presence. i mean, this is sickening stuff to watch. and i think those 75 million americans who voted for donald trump have had a bellyful. they want to see action, not "kumbaya" and all of this nonsense. they want to see this country get on the right track. >> lou, we have seen an amazing outpouring of support for fight back now, america. grassroots individuals who are donating $5 and $10 because they want exactly what you talked about, which is accountability in our elected officials. and, again, our goal, of course, is to have republicans

politico has just published details from inside that meeting between minority leader kevin mccarthy and congresswoman greene and cnn analyst rachael bade joins us now with her new reporting in politico. rachael, what did you learn? >> so last night, mccarthy and greene sat down and mccarthy tried to lay out from my understanding that this was coming to a head and that her controversial comments from, you know, years past, months past, were putting republicans in a really bad spot and they were, frankly, sick of it. he tried to lay out options for her, my understanding is, to say, you can go on tv, you can apologize for your remarks, you can denounce qanon, this conspiracy theory that in part led to some of the violence we saw on january 6th. and if you don't, you know, we could see gop colleagues remove you. and my understanding is this didn't perhaps go as well as he wanted. there was some hope with republicans that she would do the graceful thing and remove herself without making them ask. so mccarthy called a late-night meeting last night with his top lieutenants, basically the ones

this is the bright-line test, and kevin mccarthy has to meet that. it seems like he already has and he will choose marjorie taylor greene and trump for the future of the republican party. >> alexi, i want to play you something from ted deutsche, because it's powerful. we're old enough to remember when simply being a parkland truther would be enough to get you kicked out of the caucus. let's talk about this. >> if breen peddles conspiracy theories that radicalize people online, these theories are not just deluded, they also advocate violence. they promote harassment. they dehumanize and devalue large swaths of our population based on race and on faith. last year fbi director wray testified that conspiracy theories like the ones ms. greene promotes are among the most serious threats to american security. ms. greene is now a member of congress, one who has publicly spouted -- publicly spouted, racist anti-semitic, islam ophobic garbage, deied mass shootings' very occurrence. i have cried with the families of parkland, and i have grieved with them. and i

kevin mccarthy, house republican leader, said privately to members that he supports her in that spot as did steve scalise, number two republican, but mccarthy just told us moments ago he doesn't know if there will be a vote. it is his decision to put it up for vote. marjorie taylor greene has addressed the conference, i am told, from republican sources in the room. she said that the past posts, past statements do not reflect who she is. that's how she characterized her comments to members moments ago. appears to be enough to satisfy the likes of kevin mccarthy and other republicans who say they will not take action to punish her. mccarthy proposed moving her off the house education committee, which has come under criticism, suggesting in the past that parkland massacre was a staged event. the house democrats believe she should be off both committees. mccarthy said she could go to the small business committee, but they want her off all committees. this will go to the house floor tomorrow. there will be a vote. democrats are going to push it through. most republicans are going to side w

they include kevin mccarthy and liz cheney, the number three house republican. these elected officials gave greene and these comments their stamp of approval. >> the so-called plane that crashed into the pentagon, it's odd, there is never any evidence shown for a plane in the pentagon. there is an islamic invasion into our government offices right now. kennedy getting killed in the plane crash, that's another one of those clinton murders, right? >> the 199 republicans still backing greene even though she repeatedly indicated support for execut exec executing prominent democrats before being elected to congress, they're okay with reports of hanging president obama. and they support her calls for political violence over the past two years. the first that you see here uncovered by mother jones. >> the only way you get your freedoms back is it's earned with the price of blood. if we flood the capitol building, flood all the government buildings, go inside, these are public buildings. we own them. we own these buildings. >> that last comment, 2019. and now today befo