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>> michigan, we'll start there.lly races today, but today will ratify for each party in michigan the general election matchup for the united states. gary peters, the incumbent democrat, john james, the republican, james had run two years ago as well for the senate of michigan. this is notable. michigan is a very, very, very few states where republicans have said they think they have an opportunity to take a seat from the democrats. michigan one of those states that president trump won very narrowly in 2016. bad news for republicans as the polling we have been seeing coming out of michigan has shown biden solidly ahead, has shown peters solidly ahead. nonetheless, this is a matchup that republicans have been talking about. we will keep an eye on it. peters looks like he's favored at this point. we'll see if that changes. the other races today, let's see if i can get those up here on the screen. there we go. try that again. here we go. kansas, big one on the republican side. kansas, you think of it as a red state, vot
>> michigan, we'll start there.lly races today, but today will ratify for each party in michigan the general election matchup for the united states. gary peters, the incumbent democrat, john james, the republican, james had run two years ago as well for the senate of michigan. this is notable. michigan is a very, very, very few states where republicans have said they think they have an opportunity to take a seat from the democrats. michigan one of those states that president trump won...
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or a michigan, and assassination of a michigan king, i saw him as a lightning rod for all the enthusiasmsor social movements or apocalyptic fears. this embodiment of a crazy time. we do the same thing, the new york times book review, and chris jennings, called myself wonderfully to aggressive which is the biggest consonant i ever had. getting the big picture from the back, going back to you, the most wonderful nonfiction writers, doing what you praised me for, told this story 1 million times. the second essay on the inter-coast, this is before i knew him. in harpers, 15 years ago, just at a time, started reading about this antique tool collector in michigan. i was interested in them but the way you brought american history and american commerce is incredible to me. do you want to talk about that? >> that one for me is an important one because i had been writing nonfiction but i came in by way of fiction and poetry which is not that uncommon. historically where the standards for writing programs but my first earliest essays to a congressional essays, what you had done in this book which i
or a michigan, and assassination of a michigan king, i saw him as a lightning rod for all the enthusiasmsor social movements or apocalyptic fears. this embodiment of a crazy time. we do the same thing, the new york times book review, and chris jennings, called myself wonderfully to aggressive which is the biggest consonant i ever had. getting the big picture from the back, going back to you, the most wonderful nonfiction writers, doing what you praised me for, told this story 1 million times....
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the president pulled his ads out of michigan. the numbers are atypically strong for biden in my opinion. what does she think? what is the pandemic politics going on in her state, next? >>> people in michigan are seeing less of two things, tv ads for the trump campaign as he sinks in the polls there, and large gatherings, as governor gretchen whitmer cracks down to battle coronavirus after a resurgence in cases. governor, good to have you back on prime time. >> good to be with you. >> i hope you and the family are well. what triggered your need to reassess and start some more strict anti- -- socialization principles. >> well, as you probably recall, michigan was heating up at the same time new york was. we got aggressive with it, and by memorial day, we saved >>> people in michigan are seeing less of two things, tv ads for the trump campaign as he sinks in the polls there, and large gatherings, as governor gretchen whitmer cracks down to battle coronavirus after a resurgence in cases. governor, good to have you back on prime time.
the president pulled his ads out of michigan. the numbers are atypically strong for biden in my opinion. what does she think? what is the pandemic politics going on in her state, next? >>> people in michigan are seeing less of two things, tv ads for the trump campaign as he sinks in the polls there, and large gatherings, as governor gretchen whitmer cracks down to battle coronavirus after a resurgence in cases. governor, good to have you back on prime time. >> good to be with...
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the president pulled his ads out of michigan. the numbers are atypically strong for biden in my opinion. what does she think? what is the pandemic politics going on in her state, next? can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. can it help with snoring? i've never heard snoring. exactly. no problem. ...and done. will it help me keep up with mom? you've got this. so you can really promise better sleep? not promise... prove. and now, no interest until january 2023 on all smart beds. only for a limited time. for spending a perfectly reasonable amount of time on the couch with tacos from grubhub? grubhub's gonna reward you for that with a $5 off perk. (doorbell rings) - [crowd] grubhub! (fireworks exploding) you're having one more bite! no! one more bite! ♪ kraft. for the win win. is now a good time enough, crohn's. for adults with moderate to severe crohn's or ulcerative colitis, stelara® can provide relief, and is the only appro
the president pulled his ads out of michigan. the numbers are atypically strong for biden in my opinion. what does she think? what is the pandemic politics going on in her state, next? can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. can it help with snoring? i've never heard snoring. exactly. no problem. ...and done. will it help me keep up with mom? you've got this. so you can really promise...
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up next democratic secretary of state from michigan, colorado in connecticut talk about voting rights and their concerns about the november election, net roots nation hosted the conference. >> my name is been sworn, the executive director of the center for constitutional rights which is the litigation aspect based in new york city, were proud to be the associated nation for many, many years and today i wanted to lay out the problem for this particular panel, the panel's focus is going to be on voter suppression, election integrity and security and maybe even gerrymandering if we can get to it and normally we would know what those things mean because it's been a long history but it's a different scenario now, we all want fair, secure, timely elections but we have three essential problems that are facing this upcoming presidential election, first the global pandemic which none of us have ever seen, live through or voted through before, second the emerging tactics of the white house that is moving very broadly and very clearly to suppress the vote and third, the impact of the white house
up next democratic secretary of state from michigan, colorado in connecticut talk about voting rights and their concerns about the november election, net roots nation hosted the conference. >> my name is been sworn, the executive director of the center for constitutional rights which is the litigation aspect based in new york city, were proud to be the associated nation for many, many years and today i wanted to lay out the problem for this particular panel, the panel's focus is going to...
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ignoring the polls, because they had joe biden up double digits in michigan. so you see that headline, what are you sensing on the ground, and what can you expect on election day? >> we are a long way from election day. there's a lot of work to be done. this is the beginning of a long road for all of us working on these elections. i have been saying to everyone in michigan every time i get the chance to ignore the polls. only poll that matters is the one voters participate in on election day. we will continue to work hard, talking to voters, helping them through the process of getting an absentee ballot, voting it, and getting it back to their clerk to make sure they are counted and in the clerk's office on time in michigan and all over this country. this is what the democrats have set out to do. we have large organizations on the ground all over the country ready to do the work. we will keep working. but the polls we saw in 2016 told us a story that turned out not to be true. we can't sit back and say we are up, we need to stay up. we need to run like we are
ignoring the polls, because they had joe biden up double digits in michigan. so you see that headline, what are you sensing on the ground, and what can you expect on election day? >> we are a long way from election day. there's a lot of work to be done. this is the beginning of a long road for all of us working on these elections. i have been saying to everyone in michigan every time i get the chance to ignore the polls. only poll that matters is the one voters participate in on election...
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ignoring the polls, because they had joe biden up double digits in michigan. so you see that headline, what are you sensing on the ground, and what can you expect on election day? >> we are a long way from election day. there's a lot of work to be done. this is the beginning of a long road for all of us working on these elections. i have been saying to everyone in michigan every time i get the chance to ignore the polls. only poll that matters is the one voters participate in on election day. we will continue to work hard, talking to voters, helping them through the process of getting an absentee ballot, voting it, and getting it back to their clerk to make sure they are counted and in the clerk's office on time in michigan and all over this country. this is what the democrats have set out to do. we have large organizations on the ground all over the country ready to do the work. we will keep working. but the polls we saw in 2016 told us a story that turned out not to be true. we can't sit back and say we are up, we need to stay up. we need to run like we are
ignoring the polls, because they had joe biden up double digits in michigan. so you see that headline, what are you sensing on the ground, and what can you expect on election day? >> we are a long way from election day. there's a lot of work to be done. this is the beginning of a long road for all of us working on these elections. i have been saying to everyone in michigan every time i get the chance to ignore the polls. only poll that matters is the one voters participate in on election...
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tomorrow, how important would it be for him to visit michigan.e know the president, he's going to be in michigan a lot. >> you know, i'm not going to second-guess the campaign. they know how important michigan is. i think you're going to see him in the midwest. there are a number of midwest states that are our neighbors. they have the message, they understand, and i think we all need to take this seriously and we need to work hard so we win by a very significant number so nobody can attack the integrity or the confidence of what happens on election day as well. >> congresswoman debbie dingell of michigan, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >>> wisconsin's governor is asking president trump to reconsider his planned trip to kenosha on tuesday as portland's mayor offers a critique on the president's role of fanning the flames of hate according to the mayor. the former president of the naacp is standing by live to react. (vo) with t-mobile for business, your business has an easy choice. the largest 5g network... award-winning customer satisfaction
tomorrow, how important would it be for him to visit michigan.e know the president, he's going to be in michigan a lot. >> you know, i'm not going to second-guess the campaign. they know how important michigan is. i think you're going to see him in the midwest. there are a number of midwest states that are our neighbors. they have the message, they understand, and i think we all need to take this seriously and we need to work hard so we win by a very significant number so nobody can...
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it's no accident that democrats are launching in michigan with the governor of michigan. that is a must-win state. democrats have to reclaim this rust belt midwest territory that you know so well. >> yeah. i think you're going to see pennsylvania, you're going to see michigan, you're going to see wisconsin over and over again in this convention. but i'm struck by how this first night of the convention is dominated by women. the vast majority of the speakers are women, anchored by michelle obama. joe biden enjoys a huge lead among women right now, and i think he is nodding to the fact that he knows that the path to the white house for him is paved with women's votes. >> and, rich, lester holt here while we wait for governor kasich. i just want to get your thoughts on what we've seen so far in terms of the production of this. no one knew going in what a virtual convention would look like. >> yeah, i think it's hard. it's hard to substitute the energy of a crowd of thousands of people, it's hard for any speaker to really blow the roof off the joint. good politicians feed off
it's no accident that democrats are launching in michigan with the governor of michigan. that is a must-win state. democrats have to reclaim this rust belt midwest territory that you know so well. >> yeah. i think you're going to see pennsylvania, you're going to see michigan, you're going to see wisconsin over and over again in this convention. but i'm struck by how this first night of the convention is dominated by women. the vast majority of the speakers are women, anchored by michelle...
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michigan,ensign in secretary griswold in colorado -- secretary benson in michigan, secretary griswold in colorado, with states that haven't done this around voting. there may be some questions about how you might help move ine of secretaries of states particular where republicans are in control, to do something different. i am going to return to secretary merrill, who has had the wondrous experience of doing both state and presidential about 45 seconds ago and has lived to tell the tale. being with a spirit what was that experience like and what can we learn? let me take you to the east coast, a blue state. you would think we would be really good. we are tied for last and access to voting in connecticut and alabama. they're the only two states left that have no early voting and you have to have an excuse to get an absentee ballot. very tightly controlled. in other ways we have made progress, lots of work on voter registration and election date registration, but we have not been able to crack this. i have been trying for 10 years and it is embedded in our state constitution and republi
michigan,ensign in secretary griswold in colorado -- secretary benson in michigan, secretary griswold in colorado, with states that haven't done this around voting. there may be some questions about how you might help move ine of secretaries of states particular where republicans are in control, to do something different. i am going to return to secretary merrill, who has had the wondrous experience of doing both state and presidential about 45 seconds ago and has lived to tell the tale. being...
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i can tell you it's not true in michigan. people in michigan work. we grow things, we make things, we innovate, we build things. people in michigan work and work hard. and it is not their fault that we have a 100-year health pandemic that has pushed everybody back down and taken away the capacity for businesses to be safely opened and for people to continue their jobs. and people would expect that in the united states of america, that all of us would care about that. and it wouldn't just be another thursday afternoon closing up shop for the weekend or beyond. now, one other thing i want to stress is that when we talk about supporting communities right now -- you know, as the president said, it was up to the governors to step up. it's up to local communities to step up and keep people safe. no national response necessary. i.t. the governors. it's the -- it's the governors. it's the mayors. it's the county commissioners. well, they've done that. they've done that. took all their resources to do everything possibly to make sure people can be safe, get t
i can tell you it's not true in michigan. people in michigan work. we grow things, we make things, we innovate, we build things. people in michigan work and work hard. and it is not their fault that we have a 100-year health pandemic that has pushed everybody back down and taken away the capacity for businesses to be safely opened and for people to continue their jobs. and people would expect that in the united states of america, that all of us would care about that. and it wouldn't just be...
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of michigan going forward. i would like to see some national leadership on this. i would like to see a national agenda that is responsive to the public health crisis that is racism. we certainly have not and will not see that from the trump administration. and that's why we need a change in the federal government as well. >> you guys just held a primary, not mostly, but a primarily largely by mail. how do you feel it went? >> well, elections can be complicated, but what i'm really excited about is we seem to have seen near record turnout in michigan. people largely chose to vote by mail and vote safely. our election administrators at the local level stepped up and did as best they could to count those ballots thanks to them being staffed up and volunteers. i think we learned a lot of lessons that we're going to need to double down on for the november election, but what's clear is that voting by mail is safe, it's secure. it's not something to be afraid of or to malign the way the president has chosen to do time
of michigan going forward. i would like to see some national leadership on this. i would like to see a national agenda that is responsive to the public health crisis that is racism. we certainly have not and will not see that from the trump administration. and that's why we need a change in the federal government as well. >> you guys just held a primary, not mostly, but a primarily largely by mail. how do you feel it went? >> well, elections can be complicated, but what i'm really...
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still a leading contender, mike, but we're also reporting, as we have for the last two days, that michigan governor gretchen whitmer is also in consideration. what do you know about that? she had an announcement yesterday. let's actually play that announcement that she made yesterday declaring racism a public health issue. >> today i also signed an executive directive declaring racism as a public health crisis in michigan. this pandemic has confirmed and highlighted the deadly nature of these preexisting inequities caused by systemic racism. >> it's hard to read the tea leaves but that could be a strategic announcement. her lieutenant governor would take over, he is african-american, which is significant in michigan, a battleground state. what more do we know? >> reporter: that's right, andrea, we've been cautioning all week that once joe biden himself has fully engaged in this process and the ball is entirely in his court, some of the names we've been talking about as making that final short list could change. and our understanding, the reporting from you, from kristen welker, and myself,
still a leading contender, mike, but we're also reporting, as we have for the last two days, that michigan governor gretchen whitmer is also in consideration. what do you know about that? she had an announcement yesterday. let's actually play that announcement that she made yesterday declaring racism a public health issue. >> today i also signed an executive directive declaring racism as a public health crisis in michigan. this pandemic has confirmed and highlighted the deadly nature of...
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michigan is my western. it's -- mid western. it's also coastal. peninsular, in fact, its shoreline speckled with empty lighthouses longer than california's, florida's and about every other state besides alaska. standing on a midwestern beach, you can watch freighters slide across the horizon. to coast to travel by water while keeping the land nearby. and in that sense you can coast through the heart of north we can. circum-and-a-half sating all of the states east of the mississippi without ever laying eyes on the pacific. these days the word coastal is as sociological as it is geographic in phrases like coastal living or coastal elites, the word collapses the west coast and east into a conjoined seaboard supposedly inhabitedded by decadent fist cants as if brooklyn were the next berkeley or boston in commuting instance of seattle. certain chicagoans or holiday-goers on michigan's gold coast might qualify as coastal in this sense, but not the residents of gary or sandusky or mill milwaukee or of deerborn. or a neighborhood on the northeast side of
michigan is my western. it's -- mid western. it's also coastal. peninsular, in fact, its shoreline speckled with empty lighthouses longer than california's, florida's and about every other state besides alaska. standing on a midwestern beach, you can watch freighters slide across the horizon. to coast to travel by water while keeping the land nearby. and in that sense you can coast through the heart of north we can. circum-and-a-half sating all of the states east of the mississippi without ever...
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outside of a michigan post office. while in new jersey, the trump campaign is suing to make it harder for people to vote. plus -- >> we have lived that feeling of helplessness. when someone you love is very sick and access to health care is a matter of life and death. >> when doctors, nurses, and home health care aides in philadelphia have to risk their own lives to protect others. >> we're banning business practices that have exploited workers and cost them hundreds of millions of dollars in lost wages. >> young, democratic leaders get a chance to shine at the dnc. and three of them will join me. back with more of "the reidout" after this. ut" after this tide power pods one up the cleaning power of liquid. can it one up whatever they're doing? for sure. seriously? one up the power of liquid, one up the toughest stains. any further questions? uh uh! one up the power of liquid with tide power pods. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident. cut! is that good? no
outside of a michigan post office. while in new jersey, the trump campaign is suing to make it harder for people to vote. plus -- >> we have lived that feeling of helplessness. when someone you love is very sick and access to health care is a matter of life and death. >> when doctors, nurses, and home health care aides in philadelphia have to risk their own lives to protect others. >> we're banning business practices that have exploited workers and cost them hundreds of...
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your preliminary data suggests that undecided voters in michigan and wisconsin, michigan more so thanwisconsin, they want to see college football played? >> yes, sir. and in michigan, it's a little higher number. it's like i said, 65%, closer to 55% in wisconsin. they're definitely on the side of seeing it played. and when you break them down, to the fact that president trump wants to play football it does it make you more likely to vote for him, the numbers are higher it makes them more likely than less likely. >> fascinating. all right. robert, thank you for being here. i appreciate it. >> good to be here, sir. >> let's check in on your tweets and facebook comments. from twitter, i think, what do we have? come on, michael. parents are fearful of sending their kids back to school because of covid and you are seriously implying they should be huddled with each other playing football? you have lost it or is losing it or maybe both, garth. hold on, it's not advocating for anything. it's me just having questioned a pollster with a pretty darn good track record who had a pretty fascinatin
your preliminary data suggests that undecided voters in michigan and wisconsin, michigan more so thanwisconsin, they want to see college football played? >> yes, sir. and in michigan, it's a little higher number. it's like i said, 65%, closer to 55% in wisconsin. they're definitely on the side of seeing it played. and when you break them down, to the fact that president trump wants to play football it does it make you more likely to vote for him, the numbers are higher it makes them more...
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that recent polling has biden campaign up 10 points in michigan. what is your biggest concern as you look upon numbers and what you heard tonight at the convention? guest: we are going to ignore the poll numbers and continue to work hard here in michigan, to garner every vote we can as he moved to our election day and all the way through election day. i am worried however about the postal service. i am worried about whether or not our voters will be able to get there ballots, once your melt from the clerks, and get the ballots back to the clerks. we encourage our voters here in michigan to request ballots right away. get them in there hands early. get them voted and return them to the clerks. and folks who can't return them in person rather than putting a heavier burden on the postal service. our d funded currently postal service. get those into get counted. we are working hard to make sure that happens. very concerned about what is happening with the postal service now. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed
that recent polling has biden campaign up 10 points in michigan. what is your biggest concern as you look upon numbers and what you heard tonight at the convention? guest: we are going to ignore the poll numbers and continue to work hard here in michigan, to garner every vote we can as he moved to our election day and all the way through election day. i am worried however about the postal service. i am worried about whether or not our voters will be able to get there ballots, once your melt...
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of car companies in michigan, ronald mcdaniel, we won michigan. [applause] i say give me the woman who kept calling me in michigan, you have to come one more time, sir. i said this is it. and then she called the next day and some would say one more time. but she did a great job. she is fantastic. head of the rnc. and the head of the wisconsin republican party chairman andrew hit, how are we doing? looking good? beautiful kids, andrew. i will blame you, andrew, you better not do it. i will fire you so fast. [laughter] he has done a great job, thank you. i think that we are all looking great here. we won last time any remember it was a big shock wave, because a republican has not won for a long time. and they were waiting for pennsylvania, and we won pennsylvania we lost every vote, they do not want to call it as it out later and later and then wisconsin came in and michigan came in, and then pennsylvania came in, by that time we already had north carolina. you know, it's hard for republicans. you have to run the whole board, because they saw it off
of car companies in michigan, ronald mcdaniel, we won michigan. [applause] i say give me the woman who kept calling me in michigan, you have to come one more time, sir. i said this is it. and then she called the next day and some would say one more time. but she did a great job. she is fantastic. head of the rnc. and the head of the wisconsin republican party chairman andrew hit, how are we doing? looking good? beautiful kids, andrew. i will blame you, andrew, you better not do it. i will fire...
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industry experts say the michigan project would be the 1st in the u.s. reporting for boom bust trinity chavez r.t. . for more on the auto industry let's bring in the car coach lauren fix lauren good to see you now we just heard trying to report on michigan's plan to to assigning dedicate the lanes to these a thomas vehicles is the u.s. ready for this. well i do know how the traffic goes between ann arbor and detroit and it's always backed up so taking away one of the regular traffic lanes to go just autonomous vehicles could be very frustrating to consumers because obviously you're forcing them to be backed up but i think that what ford has been doing and this is a lot of people know this is they've had their own autonomous campus where they've been testing things for years and so have other manufacturers and so they now own argo a b. and because of that they are trying to utilize that company to get to market quicker than anyone else there are still 5 hurdles before you're going to see them as cars hit the market we may never see them because the bigges
industry experts say the michigan project would be the 1st in the u.s. reporting for boom bust trinity chavez r.t. . for more on the auto industry let's bring in the car coach lauren fix lauren good to see you now we just heard trying to report on michigan's plan to to assigning dedicate the lanes to these a thomas vehicles is the u.s. ready for this. well i do know how the traffic goes between ann arbor and detroit and it's always backed up so taking away one of the regular traffic lanes to go...
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i was just in michigan. we went to michigan.prised that michigan is seeing improvement at that kind of speed. the governor has taken it very seriously. they were hard hit at the beginning by covid but there are public laws requiring people in stores to wear masks and things like that and we've got to get control of this virus if we want to have a true v-shaped recovery. like i said in one of our early ones, we let up 22 million runs in the first inning, so it's great that we have added back let's say a third, little more than a third. >> bill: i did not expect to see that number in michigan. that really surprised me and our team and that popped up earlier today. if it continues in other states, it would be impressive but michigan really stood out. we believe democrats and joe biden made the case this week for what they would do to make the economy better? >> first of all, we are in agreement. in what happens the virus will probably be the single most important thing in terms of determining the selection. we see improvement, and
i was just in michigan. we went to michigan.prised that michigan is seeing improvement at that kind of speed. the governor has taken it very seriously. they were hard hit at the beginning by covid but there are public laws requiring people in stores to wear masks and things like that and we've got to get control of this virus if we want to have a true v-shaped recovery. like i said in one of our early ones, we let up 22 million runs in the first inning, so it's great that we have added back...
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letuld encourage you to kentucky know kentucky and michigan of michigan. i'm grateful to the cares act funding to reduce our cost. but i would prefer no funding if funding means you're going to tell us how to run our elections. sense wasy, what made no excuse absentee voting. we had a severe drop off in the number of available poll workers and locations. for november turnout is expected to double that of the primary. we are tightening the absentee voting standards, reserving it for those who need it due to age or health concerns. also not overwhelming our infrastructure. our county clerks to process ballots and our postal system. in both elections we have utilized in absentee ballot request portal linked to our driver's license database so we can verify voter identity and we tracked ballot envelopes with barcodes and signature match everyone before the ballot is counted. generalprimary and election we offered weeks of early in person voting. kentuckians of both parties want to vote in person if they can. as we showed in june we know how to conduct in perso
letuld encourage you to kentucky know kentucky and michigan of michigan. i'm grateful to the cares act funding to reduce our cost. but i would prefer no funding if funding means you're going to tell us how to run our elections. sense wasy, what made no excuse absentee voting. we had a severe drop off in the number of available poll workers and locations. for november turnout is expected to double that of the primary. we are tightening the absentee voting standards, reserving it for those who...
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>> we cannot in michigan. we cannot begin to open the envelope election day morning which is a big issue we have asked for state legislature to address. >> thank you. do adams and kentucky can you process ballot before election day? >> we can. we can run it through the machine. but if we don't pull out the machines until polls right that's how we avoid any premature disclosure of the results. [inaudible] >> that's me push the button and have the total. but just before that will process the ballots. >> [inaudible] because i can honestly god leave we need to know the results of the election as quickly as possible to avoid any of the sort of continued illegal activities in the part of this administration to impact the outcome to work to suppress the legitimate vote. went to talk to the governor's office about allowing us to process the ballot before election day. can this be done ms. patrick in a way that secures the vote, ensures the confidentiality, and makes sure -- ensures there is no tampering? to your knowl
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in today's state of play is michigan.ention speech on monday, on average just two votes per precinct led to president trump winning michigan back in 2016. in the margins could be just as close this time around. what's driving voters there? >> the dismantling of every institution that we have built this country on. >> it doesn't really matter what your identity is if you struggle to put food on the table. >> at the top of my list and everybody else's list, it is police reform, and police reform in the way of how people are policed and how communities are policed. >> joining us now, ron fournier, a long time journalists who knows the ins and out of michigan politics. take us to your home state. what is on top of voters' minds? >> thanks for having me. i'll tell you what is on top of people's mines, our gdp is down 42%, 6100 of our fellow michiganders died, unnecessarily because of co-ed havvid. the economy that has been attacked, you know, kind of sideways by the virus. so when people get up every morning, how am i going to
in today's state of play is michigan.ention speech on monday, on average just two votes per precinct led to president trump winning michigan back in 2016. in the margins could be just as close this time around. what's driving voters there? >> the dismantling of every institution that we have built this country on. >> it doesn't really matter what your identity is if you struggle to put food on the table. >> at the top of my list and everybody else's list, it is police reform,...
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tonight, i'm here at uaw local 65 652 in lansing, michigan. auto workers in this union and across our state could have lost their jobs if not for barack obama and joe biden. in 2009, the obama/biden administration inherited the worst economic crisis since the great depression. the auto industry on the brink of collapse. a million jobs at stake. but president obama and vice president biden didn't waste time blaming anyone else or shirking their responsibility. they got to work. they brought together union members, companies and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle and they saved the auto industry. and wouldn't you know, just a few months ago, as our nation began battling covid-19, auto workers across michigan sprang into action. they started making protective equipment for doctors and nurses on the front lines. let me break it down. president obama and vice president biden saved these auto workers' livelihoods. then, these workers did their part to save american lives. that's the story of this great nation. action begets action. progress begets
tonight, i'm here at uaw local 65 652 in lansing, michigan. auto workers in this union and across our state could have lost their jobs if not for barack obama and joe biden. in 2009, the obama/biden administration inherited the worst economic crisis since the great depression. the auto industry on the brink of collapse. a million jobs at stake. but president obama and vice president biden didn't waste time blaming anyone else or shirking their responsibility. they got to work. they brought...
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where they really should have been mrs clinton has nobody to blame for but herself from michigan and let's look down ballot senator collins is one of 23 senate seats republicans are defending in november 2 of those are appointees who are filling vacancies democrats are defending just 12 seats scotty how much of a factor do you think president trump will be in congressional races where we've already seen hollande president trump and most of his endorsements so far the 2020 primary a lot of them have been in his favor so people are obviously still happy with the president when it comes to republicans and endorsements but here's the thing that makes today our little bit hard to predict what it's going to be like in november this is a virus the continuing protests going on america now we have issues going on you know continue the middle east but that's ramping up so i am actually for one it's kind of being a little bit more conservative in regards to the winning story that who's going to win who's going to lose both at the congressional level as well as in the presidential level just bec
where they really should have been mrs clinton has nobody to blame for but herself from michigan and let's look down ballot senator collins is one of 23 senate seats republicans are defending in november 2 of those are appointees who are filling vacancies democrats are defending just 12 seats scotty how much of a factor do you think president trump will be in congressional races where we've already seen hollande president trump and most of his endorsements so far the 2020 primary a lot of them...
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not just in michigan, but everywhere. i want to bring it into context of this map. deadline for returning ballots. your state is among those where it has to be received by election day. michigan, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, arizona, i could go on, pennsylvania, many of these states that are going to decide who the next president is requires that the ballot be received, it be in your custody by election day. i found it interesting when the speaker of the house said this. >> ignore them, make a plan to vote, do so to vote early, so that we will have an outcome that is clear as close to election night as possible. >> last part i think is a fascinating dilemma going forward, as close to election night as possible. if you get swamped with mail-in ballots, when will you count them? how quickly can you count them? because what you hear the scenario democrats are worried about, the president has repeatedly questioned the integrity of this, if he's leading in the election day count, he's going to come out and declare victory and that as we saw in 2018 in the house ra
not just in michigan, but everywhere. i want to bring it into context of this map. deadline for returning ballots. your state is among those where it has to be received by election day. michigan, wisconsin, north carolina, florida, arizona, i could go on, pennsylvania, many of these states that are going to decide who the next president is requires that the ballot be received, it be in your custody by election day. i found it interesting when the speaker of the house said this. >> ignore...
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specially in michigan. i'm anxious for your thoughts.that pontiac, michigan, saw the third most reduction in postal sorting capacity around the country. can you garon see, governor, that every vote cast for the president of the united states by mail will be counted in michigan? >> i'm going to work very close when i secretary of state benson and our attorney general dana, i'm forged that i have two brilliant women in those positions and we'll do everything to protect people's votes. when you see the usps targeting a community like pontiac, predominantly african-american, there is no question that there are political agendas going on here that are to disenfranchise voters who would more likely vote democratic. so we've got to all fight that to make sure the sank at this time and integrity of our elections is something that we don't question. that every vote gets counted. >> do you see any other examples that there may be a political reason for some of these setback that's the u.s. postal service is having right now? in its ability to deli
specially in michigan. i'm anxious for your thoughts.that pontiac, michigan, saw the third most reduction in postal sorting capacity around the country. can you garon see, governor, that every vote cast for the president of the united states by mail will be counted in michigan? >> i'm going to work very close when i secretary of state benson and our attorney general dana, i'm forged that i have two brilliant women in those positions and we'll do everything to protect people's votes. when...
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that job, and one of those women is michigan governor gretchen whitmer. sources tell us she recently met with the former vice president to discuss that possible vp slot on the democratic ticket. whitmer has risen in prominence in recent months due to her handling of the coronavirus pandemic in her home state of michigan. and while we know that biden met with whitmer, he's also held other meetings with the women that he's considering for that vp job. we just don't know exactly who yet. but some of the women under consideration are senator kamala harris, former rival of biden's during the democratic primary. former national security adviser susan rice, who worked alongside biden during the obama administration. other names in the mix are karen bass, congresswoman from california. elizabeth warren, also a former rival of biden's. illinois senator tammy duckworth. biden is expected to make that decision and announcement within the coming week as he is zeroing in on the biggest and most important decision of his candidacy.
that job, and one of those women is michigan governor gretchen whitmer. sources tell us she recently met with the former vice president to discuss that possible vp slot on the democratic ticket. whitmer has risen in prominence in recent months due to her handling of the coronavirus pandemic in her home state of michigan. and while we know that biden met with whitmer, he's also held other meetings with the women that he's considering for that vp job. we just don't know exactly who yet. but some...
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republican voters in particular in michigan. are these voices, the colin powells, the cindy mccains, the john kasichs, the individuals who said they voted for trump in 2016 and can't vote for him again, are they actually giving permission to enough republican voters to make an electoral difference for joe biden? >> katy, it's a really good question. individually, no. i don't think these endorsements, i don't think these folks coming out and vouching for joe biden are going to get a whole lot of votes. i think collectively, the drip, drip, drip of prominent figures, not just prominent republican figures, but prominent apolitical figures, and as odd as it may seem to identify michelle obama, a former first lady, as apolitical, i thought her speech the other night was really relevant to the wooing of one particular group of republican voters, and that's suburban women. and stop me if you have heard this before, but this is the single voting demographic that we have seen the most movement with over the past four or five years. and t
republican voters in particular in michigan. are these voices, the colin powells, the cindy mccains, the john kasichs, the individuals who said they voted for trump in 2016 and can't vote for him again, are they actually giving permission to enough republican voters to make an electoral difference for joe biden? >> katy, it's a really good question. individually, no. i don't think these endorsements, i don't think these folks coming out and vouching for joe biden are going to get a whole...
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think about these three states, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. razor three and four years ago and a moment i was so that to you but for joe biden the hunt for 270 is easier if he takes wisconsin, flips michigan and flips pennsylvania. then he would be at 259 and then hunts around this and maybe he holds in minnesota and perhaps takes nevada and i would give him the white house in 2020. let's go ahead and show the difference here for donald trump. again, the debate on texas let's say right now it is not as blue as they believe and we give them georgia as well and then he goes on the map to defend florida for 2016 and north carolina. if he were to do that and then we moved to these three states that are critical again and if he holds wisconsin, holds michigan and holds pennsylvania in that scenario he is now at 270. then he gets a hundred different scenarios in here and we shall over the next 70 days or so, the reason i'm looking at these three states is because what happened in wisconsin in 2016. donald trump won the state by three tenths of a poi
think about these three states, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. razor three and four years ago and a moment i was so that to you but for joe biden the hunt for 270 is easier if he takes wisconsin, flips michigan and flips pennsylvania. then he would be at 259 and then hunts around this and maybe he holds in minnesota and perhaps takes nevada and i would give him the white house in 2020. let's go ahead and show the difference here for donald trump. again, the debate on texas let's say...
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and that is the law in the state of michigan. we have no reason absentee voting. and that the secretary of state and myself are committed to ensuring that there is not voter suppression or voter intimidation in our state. i'm obviously very concerned about some of the statements the president has made recently. and i can tell you this -- if the president believes that he's going to bring in the army or other federal law enforcement officials to the polls, we intend to bring an army of lawyers into the courts and to fight back vigorously to ensure that we don't essentially turn into a banana republic or some -- this authoritarian regime and that our elections are free and fair here in the state of michigan. and i would say across the united states of america. >> michigan attorney general dana nessel. thank you very much for your time this afternoon. we appreciate it. >>> up next, how colleges and universities around the country are dealing with covid-19 outbreaks on campus. >>> plus, a medical expert will join me to talk about the challenges facing these schools an
and that is the law in the state of michigan. we have no reason absentee voting. and that the secretary of state and myself are committed to ensuring that there is not voter suppression or voter intimidation in our state. i'm obviously very concerned about some of the statements the president has made recently. and i can tell you this -- if the president believes that he's going to bring in the army or other federal law enforcement officials to the polls, we intend to bring an army of lawyers...
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. >> the michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson is with us, your job includes fact checking, he's added this sunday, now the democrats are using mail drop boxes which are a voter security disaster. among other things they make it possible for a person to vote multiple times. who controls them? are they placed in republican or democrat areas? they're not covid sanitized, a big fraud. not true. but i'll give you a chance to answer that. >> in many way drop boxes are more secure than mixailboxes. we have security footage of them, they're monitored 24 hours a day and what we're doing is a response to the increasing unreliable delivery mail of the michigan that we have been experiencing for several weeks now. they're more secure than many other ways including mailboxes in various ways in part because they're monitored and there is a lot of attention on them and they're placed by bipartisan, nonpartisan individuals, election administrators committed to ensuring their convenient and accessible to every voter, regardless of who
. >> the michigan secretary of state jocelyn benson is with us, your job includes fact checking, he's added this sunday, now the democrats are using mail drop boxes which are a voter security disaster. among other things they make it possible for a person to vote multiple times. who controls them? are they placed in republican or democrat areas? they're not covid sanitized, a big fraud. not true. but i'll give you a chance to answer that. >> in many way drop boxes are more secure...
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other key states are also working to adjust, from michigan, florida and minnesota. >> it's about applying for your vote from home ballot early, it's about sending it back as early as you feel comfortable. >> reporter: amid intensifying scrutiny on the postmaster general, a long time trump ally who met with the president in the oval office last week, he's faced bipartisan criticism for implementing changes, including eliminating overtime for many workers and deactivating hundreds of mail sorting machines in an internal memo thursday dejoy acknowledged there have been unintended consequences to service but also insisted the cuts were necessary to address a dire financial condition. president trump pressed on the matter by nbc news late thursday did you direct the postmaster general to reverse some of the policy changes that occurred there in order to prevent delays >> no, i wouldn't do that at all, no, i want the post office to run properly. >> reporter: for his part president trump, who along with the first lady has registered for absentee ballots for the second time as florida residents h
other key states are also working to adjust, from michigan, florida and minnesota. >> it's about applying for your vote from home ballot early, it's about sending it back as early as you feel comfortable. >> reporter: amid intensifying scrutiny on the postmaster general, a long time trump ally who met with the president in the oval office last week, he's faced bipartisan criticism for implementing changes, including eliminating overtime for many workers and deactivating hundreds of...
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good luck in michigan. obviously a key battleground state. >>> cdc said children may be more susceptible to contracting the coronavirus and just as likely to end up in the icu if hospitalized. we have details, new information coming in from the cdc when we come back. hy-a-lur-onic acid. there's a reason 1 serum is sold every minute! revitalift hyaluronic acid serum. with our highest concentration of hyaluronic acid. visibly replumps skin. and reduces wrinkles. revitalift hyaluronic...
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jarbou of michigan to be united states district judge for the western district of michigan. mr. mcconnell: i send a cloture motion to the desk. the presiding officer: the clerk will report the cloture motion. the clerk: cloture motion. we, the undersigned senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule 22 of the standing rules of the senate, do hereby move to bring to a close debate on the nomination of hala y. jarbou of michigan to be united states district judge for the western district of michigan. signed by 17 senators as follow- mr. mcconnell: i ask consent the reading of the names be waived. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mcconnell: i move to proceed to legislative session. the presiding officer: the question is on the motion. all in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes appear to have it. the ayes do have it. the motion is agreed to. mr. mcconnell: i move to proceed to executive session to consider calendar 646. the presiding officer: the question is on the motion. all in favor say aye. those opposed, no. the ayes appear to have it. the ayes do
jarbou of michigan to be united states district judge for the western district of michigan. mr. mcconnell: i send a cloture motion to the desk. the presiding officer: the clerk will report the cloture motion. the clerk: cloture motion. we, the undersigned senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule 22 of the standing rules of the senate, do hereby move to bring to a close debate on the nomination of hala y. jarbou of michigan to be united states district judge for the western district...
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i'm hearing from folks across michigan. i had thousands of people send me their stories of how mail is being delayed. we need to get to the bottom of this. >> what is your understanding of the policy changes that have most contributed to this delay? is it the removal of the sorting machines or boxes or over time issue? what is driving this? >> it's cumulative. you don't have over time and as you have a surge, the machines in fact we heard from one individual that said the processing machines that can do 80,000 or more sorts, they were told to stop after 40,000, not to process all of the mail. we've heard about trailers filled with mail that haven't been unloaded for a period of time, as well. really what it all boils down to and i've heard from letter carriers and mail handlers, these are incredibly professional people that want to move the mail as fast as they can and they have always in the postal service said the feeling was you never leave mail in the post office. you leave it out. whatever it takes you move it out. the
i'm hearing from folks across michigan. i had thousands of people send me their stories of how mail is being delayed. we need to get to the bottom of this. >> what is your understanding of the policy changes that have most contributed to this delay? is it the removal of the sorting machines or boxes or over time issue? what is driving this? >> it's cumulative. you don't have over time and as you have a surge, the machines in fact we heard from one individual that said the processing...
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we are working very hard in michigan.als, secretary of state, attorney general, myself, everyone together to make sure that people know, first of all, that absentee ballot voting is safe and there's integrity in that system. we do everything to stop these kinds of things. what i was going to say, we're going to have 65 days of this. it's going to get much worse in my opinion. i'm actually a very optimistic person but i am fully prepared for anything at this point. what we've got to do, those of us who care deeply about the country is put our head down and work and make sure people vote, make sure people are voting absentee, make sure they feel comfortable and vote early by mail, make sure they vote safely on election day. this the election of our lifetime. so rather than getting distracted about whatever is fog to come, i don't think we've seen even half of what's going to be coming, of the chaos and division and the hatred and everything else, but we've got to just take a deep breath and say, okay, 65 days we can be done
we are working very hard in michigan.als, secretary of state, attorney general, myself, everyone together to make sure that people know, first of all, that absentee ballot voting is safe and there's integrity in that system. we do everything to stop these kinds of things. what i was going to say, we're going to have 65 days of this. it's going to get much worse in my opinion. i'm actually a very optimistic person but i am fully prepared for anything at this point. what we've got to do, those of...
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we know how close this election was fought in those three battleground states -- wisconsin, michiganennsylvania and a lot of the failure to win those states was in cities like detroit and philadelphia, where the black vote didn't turn out in the numbers with the enthusiasm that they had in previous cycles for barack obama. perhaps understandably but it didn't turn out enough and suburban women particularly in pennsylvania, michigan, did not turn out for hillary clinton, who didn't campaign in wisconsin, they've got some homework to do, they know that, we're trying not to be overconfident and read those early polls, but the president is certainly going to be after whoever, they're totally prepared for that because they've seen the way he nicknames many of these choices already and certainly has his nicknames for joe biden, i think the big difference when you pointed out to the difference of a virtual campaign is that they're not going to depart from the very careful procedures that joe biden has followed throughout, whereas the president ridiculed him for wearing a mask from the very
we know how close this election was fought in those three battleground states -- wisconsin, michiganennsylvania and a lot of the failure to win those states was in cities like detroit and philadelphia, where the black vote didn't turn out in the numbers with the enthusiasm that they had in previous cycles for barack obama. perhaps understandably but it didn't turn out enough and suburban women particularly in pennsylvania, michigan, did not turn out for hillary clinton, who didn't campaign in...
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i talked to robert and there was a release of a point michigan and he is saying that shy effect withocial desirability, bias and when respondents don't want to tell posters exactly what they think. he is saying that more this time around than last time around. he is also finding some trump supporter's who are hidden and the undecided vote. they just won't tell pollsters and when you push them and say if the election were today, who would you vote for? so it is really hard to get a handle on exactly how much that is, how big that number could be in some of the states. and so we will see. and again, the trump campaign, they say they are very competitive in the states and even leading and polling. now clearly, they are counting on different folks to be turning out election day than the public pollsters are. we will see who is right and who was wrong when the polls are taken on election day. >> laura: tom, let's turn to michigan. the hill is reporting the trump campaign has halted new ad lies in recent days? it shows that biden is widening his lead in the state? but rnc showed clinton ah
i talked to robert and there was a release of a point michigan and he is saying that shy effect withocial desirability, bias and when respondents don't want to tell posters exactly what they think. he is saying that more this time around than last time around. he is also finding some trump supporter's who are hidden and the undecided vote. they just won't tell pollsters and when you push them and say if the election were today, who would you vote for? so it is really hard to get a handle on...
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massachusetts, michigan. there are other states that actually are more or less able to figure it out, where obviously a lot of states like texas and florida and mississippi are really struggling. the problem is that we live in one country, people travel back and forth. big outbreaks in florida will see cases in new york and massachusetts. as we head into the fall, we are going to have the flu come back. i'm hopeful with the social distancing and hand washing, we don't have a bad flu season, but it is worth remembering that most flu seasons fill up hospitals and icus on their own, throw in covid on top of that and if things don't go well and if we don't get a break and this year has not been a year of a lot of breaks, we could easily end up in a lot of trouble in terms of a lot of people sick and clearly outstripping the supply of our hospital beds. >> that is very alarming, and hopefully we will be able to right the ship by getting more testing and hopefully a national strategy in place. thank you so much for
massachusetts, michigan. there are other states that actually are more or less able to figure it out, where obviously a lot of states like texas and florida and mississippi are really struggling. the problem is that we live in one country, people travel back and forth. big outbreaks in florida will see cases in new york and massachusetts. as we head into the fall, we are going to have the flu come back. i'm hopeful with the social distancing and hand washing, we don't have a bad flu season, but...
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that recent polling has biden campaign up 10 points in michigan.t is your biggest concern as you look upon numbers and what you heard tonight at the convention? guest: we are going to ignore the poll numbers and continue to work hard here in michigan, to garner every vote we can as he moved to our election day and all the way through election day. i am worried however about the postal service. i am worried about whether or not our voters will be able to get there ballots, once your melt from the clerks, and get the ballots back to the clerks. we encourage our voters here in michigan to request ballots right away. get them in there hands early. get them voted and return them to the clerks. and folks who can't return them in person rather than putting a heavier burden on the postal service. our d funded currently postal service. get those into get counted. we are working hard to make sure that happens. very concerned about what is happening with the postal service now. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by
that recent polling has biden campaign up 10 points in michigan.t is your biggest concern as you look upon numbers and what you heard tonight at the convention? guest: we are going to ignore the poll numbers and continue to work hard here in michigan, to garner every vote we can as he moved to our election day and all the way through election day. i am worried however about the postal service. i am worried about whether or not our voters will be able to get there ballots, once your melt from...
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several were dismantled across michigan.ng us up to speed in terms of what you learned about why this is happening in your state? >> when you ask why it's happening, we all know why it's happening. that's an effort to diseven franchise voters by the trump administration and the post master general. they obviously believe they can't win the election fairly. they're going to do it by deceit. >> to be clear you don't accept the statement that's come out by the post master general that he's not going to carry out any initiatives that might delay the election process despite the video we saw there? >> what's the old saying, trust but verify? it's important we get a court order in place whether it's a stipulated order that the post master general agrees to or something that the court orders at our request. we need something from a court of law with a judge's signature indicating that no further changes will be made. we would like to see the machines put back in place so they can process those hundreds and thousands of pieces of ma
several were dismantled across michigan.ng us up to speed in terms of what you learned about why this is happening in your state? >> when you ask why it's happening, we all know why it's happening. that's an effort to diseven franchise voters by the trump administration and the post master general. they obviously believe they can't win the election fairly. they're going to do it by deceit. >> to be clear you don't accept the statement that's come out by the post master general that...
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points where he was a few months ago so wed, have sn them actually closing in michigan.o i'm not exactly sure. i wouldn't read too much into it at this point. the advertising aspect of this. but clearly, michigan is saying that the trump campaign very much, they will continue towo contest it until election day. >> laura: tom, thank you so much. great to see you tonight. the left war against promisingco covid treatment especially early treatment is just ignoring the actual science? it is costing lives. one of the country's most infectious disease experts sounds off on the lie and misinformation about that drug and you know what it is. hydroxychloroquine, next. ♪ ♪ >> laura: now the media, of course, completely discounting it but evidence keeps pouring in that hydroxychloroquine is an effective, early treatment for covid-19. take the study in south korea that has come to light and gotten very little coverage. researchers found taking hydroxychloroquine five days of a covid-19 diagnosis significantly with secretion by eradicating the disease at discharge. and goes on to say
points where he was a few months ago so wed, have sn them actually closing in michigan.o i'm not exactly sure. i wouldn't read too much into it at this point. the advertising aspect of this. but clearly, michigan is saying that the trump campaign very much, they will continue towo contest it until election day. >> laura: tom, thank you so much. great to see you tonight. the left war against promisingco covid treatment especially early treatment is just ignoring the actual science? it is...