that day that said mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done. the crowd surged and made it to one floor below, where vice president pence was waiting off the senate floor. at 2:26 pm, the secret service rushed him down the stairs. that detailed, minute by minute account from yesterday hearings -- from yesterday's hearings. you can watch that in detail on c-span.org. the next hearing will begin tuesday of next week. you can watch that here on c-span. it is c-span3 that will be airing it on tuesday, but you can also watch it on c-span.org and the free c-span now video app. happening on c-span3, of course, because we are expecting the house to be in and our coverage commitment of the house, gavel-to-gavel, is always here on c-span. the hearing is 9:30 a.m. wednesday. also on wednesday, jerome powell also expected to testify on capitol hill, the federal reserve chairman. that you can watch on c-span3, c-span now and c-span.org. civil events taking place today on capitol hill. it is the 50th anniversary of the break-in in the watergate building that e

, hang mike pence, hang mike pence. >> according to the committee's vice chair, there is one reason thatt took place. >> vice president pence understood that his oath of office was more important than his loyalty to donald trump. he did his duty. president trump unequivocally did n. >> so let's remind ourselves what mike pence's role on january 6 was. it was largely procedural. he was required to oversee the vote certification for the 2020 presidential election. that's because the vice president also presides over the u.s. senate. it is a formality, but donald trump claimed mike pence had the power to overturn those results. so let's remind ourselves also what donald trump said just ght before the capitol riot. >> we will have to fight much harder, and mike pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> now, we are going to speak to our correspondent in washington in just a moment, but first of all, let's bring you the latest evidence. it is of a heated phone call between president trum and vice president pence on the morning

john eastman also urged mike pence to staff to agree that mike pence should commit that crime. and in john's testimony to the january 6th committee, he did nothing but hide behind the fifth amendment. >> i assert my fifth amendment right against, health being a witness against myself. >> did the trump legal team ask you to prepare a memorandum, regarding the vice president's role in the counting of the total votes, during that special session on congress? >> doctor eastman, did you advise the president of the united states that the vice president could reject electors from seven states, and declare that the president has won. >> doctor eastman, the first sentence of the memo start off by saying, seven states have transmitted dual slates of electors to the president of the senate. is that statement, in this memo, true? >> yeah. >> did president trump authorize you to the to discuss publicly, on january 4th, 2021, conversations with him? >> yes. >> so, to your position that you can discuss and the media, direct conversations you had with the president of the united states, that y

from mike pence?rtainly, it would be harder without firsthand evidence for mike pence. -- from individuals who were in the room or heard about these conversations that happen. obviously, having mike pence in his testimony would be critical. i don't know if it's entirely necessary. on some of the information is not considered hearsay. some of these people were there, and they heard these things firsthand. again, having mike pence say these things to attest to what happened to him, and what kind of pressure was put to him, would obviously be best. he doesn't seem to be entirely forthcoming. as you say, he could be in front of the january 6th committee testifying before the country and he is not. >> melissa, joan, rick sit tight for a quick minute. we're gonna squeeze in a quick break. on the other side of it -- so the come, most of us know the name rudy giuliani on the role he played. the name that you may not know, john eastman. the attorney at the center of the former presidents effort to overturn the

>> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hing but a traitor, and he deserves to burn with the rest of them. this escalated, after pence -- >> yeah, pence didn't do what we wanted. >> he voted against trump. that's how it all started? >> yes, that's why we're marching to the capitol. we were shot by rubber bullets. >> i'm not going to reject any fraudulent electoral votes! >> boo! >> that's right. mike pence has betrayed the united states of america! >> boo! >> mike pence has betrayed the people of united states, and we will never ever forget. >> yeah! >> it's real simple, pence betrayed us, which apparently, everybody knew he was going to. and the president mentioned it, like five times when he talked. he even, you can go back and watch the president's video. >> [inaudible] formally, people coming in -- a lot of -- [inaudible] >> it's all that matters. >> justice is coming. left as a threat for the vice president on the days where he had been provided presiding over the electoral count. in addition to that footage from today,

powering possibilities.™ >>> today's hearing, highlights just how much pressure mike pence was under t to overturn the 2020 election. testimony from former pence counsel greg jacob, makes it clear that the mastermind, john eastman, knew his proposal was unconstitutional. >> did john eastman, ever admit, as far as you know, in front of the president, that his proposal violates the electoral college? >> i believe he did on the 4th. >> did dr. eastman ever tell you what he thought the supreme court would do if he had to decide this issue? >> yes. we had an extended discussion, an hour and a half, two hours, on the 5th. when i pressed him on the point, i said if the vice president did what you're asking him to do, we would lose 9-0, in the supreme court, wouldn't we? and he initially started, i think you would lose 7-2. after further discussion, acknowledged, yeah, you're right. we would lose 9-0. >> i want to discuss. we're glad to have both of you. it's clear that eastman knew it proposal wouldn't hold water in court. >> john eastman thinks it might be criminal. we know that because he

>> hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence!est of them. >> it's all escalated after pence -- what happened to pence? >> pence didn't do what we wanted. >> pence voted against trump. >> okay. that's when all this started? >> yup. that's when we marched on the capitol. we've been shot at with rubber bullets, teargassed. >> we just heard that mike pence is not going to reject any fraudulent elector votes. [ crowd booing ] >> traitor! >> boo. >> that's right. you heard it here first. mike pence has betrayed the united states of america. mike pence has betrayed this president, and he has betrayed the people of the united states. we will never, ever forget! >> it's real simple. pence betrayed us. which apparently everybody knew he was going to, and the president mentioned it like five times when he talked. you can go back and watch the president's video. >> this is our capitol. let's be respectful to it. 4 million people coming in so -- >> we love the cops. >> it's only a matter of time. justice is coming. >> gene robinson, you hear

>> bring mike pence! bring mike pence! [ chanting ] >> much of today's testimony centered around john eastman, an attorney whose theory that the vice president had the authority to nullify the election outcome so laughable that donald trump's own aides, allies and closest advisers described dismissing it outright. here's that evidence. >> made clear with mr. meadows about you and the vice president having a different view about the authority on january 6. >> i believe i did. >> did he explit sy or tacetly agree with you or say that makes sense or okay? >> i believe that -- that mark did agree. >> what makes you say that? >> i believe that's what he told me. but as i mentioned i think mark told so many people so many different things that it was not something that i would necessarily accept. that's okay why that's resolved. >> i see. tell me what he told you on this topic. >> you know the vice president doesn't have a broader role. >> communicated to me that pat cipollone thought the idea was nutty and one point confronted

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the fact that vice president mike pence was yards away from a mob yelling "hang mike pence" is truly of the most disgraceful moments i can think of having been involved in politics and pubc service for 30 years. >> we heard today from witnesses that president trump was told his plan to get mike pence not to certify the election was nutty, that it was illegal, that it could lead to rioters in the streets. do you think there is criminal liability here for president trump or is it all about the court of public opinion? >> i think it is the court of public opinion. but judge michael luttig is one of the most smartest jurists we have had in the u.s.. he is not some left wing activists. he was one of the more conservative members of the circuit court. what i think you heard and saw today, laura, is a conservative jurists saying that the president's words, deeds, and actions could have been a threat to our democracy. folks should think about this and let that sink in. what would have happened? he said this would he been the worst constitutional crisis since our founding. >> this lawyer, joh

"why you should hit pause on the mike pence is a hero storyline." this is what he reports. he said one aspect of the pence narrative pushed on thursday doesn't seem to entirely hold up under scrutiny. it is whether pence was, from the very beginning, entirely opposed to the idea of using his power as president of the senate to overturn the election results on january 6. here is how pence's counsel described pence is mindset during thursday's hearing. the vice president's first instinct when he heard the theory was that there was no way our framers would ever have but one person in a role to have decisive impact on the outcome of the election. but that seems to run counter to what we know about pence's actions before january 6. most notably in a phone call with the former vice president dan quayle. another founder of indiana politics was on the board for terms politics. when exchange between the two was paralleled by robert costa. over and over, hence asked if there was anything he could do. mike, you have no flexibility on this, 9, 0, put it away. pence pressed again, you do

hang mike pence. hang mike pence. hang mike pence.g mike pence. hang mike pence. >> how did we get to this point? how did we get to the point where president trump's most radical supporters led a violent attack on the capitol and threatened to hang president trump's own vice president? you'll hear from witnesses that donald trump pressured mike pence to adopt a legally and morally bankrupt idea that the vice president could choose who the next president can be. you'll hear about how the vice president, the white house counsel, and others told donald trump that the vice president had no such authority. but president trump not listen. you'll hear how vice president pence withstood an onslaught of pressure from president trump both publicly and privately, a pressure campaign that built to a fever pitch with a heated phone call on january 6. you will also hear the president knew there was a violent mob when he tweeted at 2:24 p.m. that the vice president did not have the "courage to do what needed to be done." let me be clear, vice presid

>> reporter: the committee detailing just how much danger pence was in on january 6th. >> hang mike pence! >> congressman pete aguilar detailing how a trump tweet attacking pence sent the crowd into a frenzy. >> our investigation found that immediately after the president's 2:24 p.m. tweet, the crowds both outside the capitol and inside the capitol surged. >> reporter: and using a graphics' presentation showing that, at one point, the mob of rioters was only 40 feet away from the room pence was hiding in. jacob, who was with pence at the time, did not know the mob ended up that close. >> does it surprise you to see how close the mob was to the evacuation route that you took? >> the 40 feet is the distance from me to you, roughly. >> i could hear the rioters in the building while we moved but i don't think i was aware that they were as close as that. >> make no mistake about the fact that the vice president's life was in danger. >> reporter: a former-white house attorney testifying that eastman seemed to accept there would be violence stemming from their actions. >> cause riots in the stre

new footage shows mike pence being rushed to protection by secret service agents. the committee praised the former vice president for his action, but a warning about what the future might hold. we're fortunate for mr pence�*s courage onjanuary 6th. our democracy came dangerously close to catastrophe. donald trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present danger to american democracy. after a second resignation in as many years, downing street says borisjohnson is looking at whether the role of an adviser on standards is needed after lord geidt stepped down last night. and the bank of england hikes up interest rates to a 13—year high and warns that inflation could hit 11%. tonight with the context, chief political commentator at the i newspaper paul waugh and former adviser to hillary clinton amanda renteria. welcome to the programme. we start in washington, where the third day of the january 6th committee hearings has just wrapped up. it's been focused on mike pence and connecting donald trump's intense pressure campaign on his vice president not to cert

[ crowd chanting ] [ crowd chanting, "hang mike pence" ] >> reporter: committee vice chair liz cheney says the committee will reveal those "hang mike pence" chants were not only provoked by the president but endorsed by him too. >> and aware of the rioters' chants to hang mike pence, the president responded with this sentiment, quote, maybe our supporters have the right idea. mike pence, quote, deserves it. >> reporter: after the hearing trump pushed back denying he ever said that, but listen to what he told me last year just two months after he left the white house. >> were you worried about him during that siege, were you worried about his safety? >> no, i thought he was well protected and i had heard he was in good shape. >> you heard those chants. they were terrible. >> he could have -- well, the people were very angry. >> they were saying hang mike pence. >> because it's common sense -- how can you -- if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how

he knew mike pence was going to certify the election. purposefully, he was lying to his supporters because he knew what pence was going to do and he was revving them up because that is exactly what he wanted to do and there's now a picture that assuming will become iconic of somebody giving pence a cell phone and him watching the president give that speech. i don't know if it was in realtime or youtube or whatever, but him watching the president at some point do that. i believe it was a youtube. pence, mr. ploloyal, is watchin the president lie. president soon his life is going to be at stake. he's going to be 40-feet away from the rioters and he's going to be stuck in that basement for four hours and not going to get one phone call, not one phone call from the president of the united states. >> yeah. he's standing at looks like the loading dock. >> loading dock. in a garage and he's on the phone and looking at the phone as well as what you were saying. i want everybody to stay with me. we have much more ahead of our coverage of the testi

hang mike pence. >> hang mike pence. [ chanting hang mike pence ] >> how did we get to this point? did we get to the point where president trump's most radical supporters let a violent attack on the capitol and threatened to hang president trump's own vice president. you'll hear from witnesses that donald trump pressured mike pence to adopt illegally and morally bankrupt idea that the vice president could choose who the next president can be. you'll hear about how the vice president, the white house counsel and others told donald trump that the vice president had no such authority, but president trump would not listen. you'll hear how vice president pence withstood an onslaught of pressure from president trump both publicly and privately. a measure pressure campaign that went to a fever pitch with a heated phone call on january 6th. you'll also hear that the president knew there was a violent mob at the capitol when he tweeted that the vice president did not have the quote, courage, to do what needed to be done. pence did the right thing that day. he stayed true to his oath to prot

. >> hang mike pence. >> bring mike pence.ence. >> how did we get to this point? how did we get to the point where president trump's most radical supporters led a violent attack on the capitol and threatened to hang president trump's own vice president? you'll hear from witnesses that donald trump pressured mike pence to adopt a legally and morally bankrupt idea that the vice president could choose who the next vice president can be? >> you'll hear how the vice president and white house counsel and others told donald trump that pence had no such authority. >> you'll hear how pence withstood pressure from president trump both publicly and privately. a pressure campaign that built to a fever pitch with a heated phone call on january 6th. you'll also hear that the president knew there was a violent mob at the capitol when he tweeted at 2:24 p.m. that the vice president did not have the, quote, courage, to do what needed to be done. let me be clear. vice president pence did the right thing that day. he stayed true to his oath to p

hang mike pence. >> mike pence chose to fulfill his constitutional duty on january 6th. but that has got to make him a hero. well according to far too many people, it does. since that fateful day, pence's decision to avoid a constitutional crisis, has been hailed as brave and heroic, with some even suggesting president biden adorn him with the presidential medal of freedom. now let me be very clear, as clear as i can be, we cannot call mike pence a hero for counting certified electoral votes. why? because if we start lauding peoples heroes for doing what our constitution requires of them, it lowers the standard for what we should expect of them. frankly, mike pence could and should be doing more. and it is not just me saying this, here is what his former aide olivia troye said earlier on msnbc. >> to be honest, i have been wanting my former boss to come forward and speak publicly about this and address it. but i think you can't be half in and half out of the maga movement. and i think he is trying to balance both sides of the equation, because he is looking at a 2024 pres

what the former president said to mike pence what he called him. the january 6th committee revealing the former president's pressure campaign on pence, calling on him to overturn the election, declaring trump the winner. or to send it back to the states. what pence repeatedly told the former president leading up to january 6th. hours later on that day, the violence under way at the capitol. the president informed of it all and still, the tweet trump sent out on mike pence, that he didn't have the courage. and what the violent mob can then be heard saying on capitol hill. the committee pointing out they were directly reacting to what they were hearing from the president. and even after the horrific violence, another late message to mike pence. the lawyer working with trump saying there was still time to do this, to not certify the election. jonathan karl standing by with the testimony. >>> also at this hour, the severe storms we're watching in the east at we come on the air. a tornado watch now in effect for parts of pennsylvania to new york. severe

despite that, trump still had that heated call with mike pence on january 6. trump and eastman both said that pence could overturn the election. even after the attack on the capital, eastman sent another email asking for what he admits would have been an illegal act. the paper trail is pretty incredible on this. so, the next day eastman was advised to get a federal attorney and then he was asking rudy giuliani about the pardon list. possible criminal charges does not sit in congress with the department of justice and the attorney generals. let's talk talk about it with two former attorneys general. welcome. i am so glad that you are both here. i have been eager to pick your brains after these particular hearings. i want to begin with you general. as you have been watching and hearing about these hearings, does it strike you that there is a criminality that could be explored at the justice department? >> criminality, humane, by -- >> i mean, by trump. or eastman. >> something can be explored but, as you know, is a former trial lawyer, there's a big difference be

because if mike pence does the right thing, we win the election. all vice president pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people [cheers and applause] and i actually, i just spoke to mike. i said, mike, that doesn't take courage. what takes courage is to do nothing. that takes courage. and then we're stuck with the a president who lost the election by a lot and we have to live with that four more years, we're just not going to let that happen and mike pence will have to come through for us. if he doesn't, that will be a stayed for our country. and they want to recertify their votes. they didn't want to recertify. but the only way that can happen is if mike pence agrees to send it back. so i hope mike has the courage to do what he has to do. and i hope he doesn't listen to the rinos and the stupid people that he's listening to. >> of course, we all know what happened next. the president's words had an effect. president trump supporters became angry. were the vice president issued

that's one picture we see of mike pence looking wisconsinfully at that. a picture of pence moments after being evacuated. you can see him with his wife karen, daughter, brother, who voted to decertify the pennsylvania election and voted against having an inquiry into his brother's potential hanging, mike pence seemed to be the odd man out. did he understand donald trump was cultivating extremists around him? did he have any sense what donald trump was bringing his way in your view? >> yeah. my personal opinion is no one who has worked anywhere near donald trump in that circle, it would be naive to go into this situation and not understand the gravity of what you're dealing with and who donald trump is. we've all lived it. we know what he's capable of and so i'm sure that mike pence that day knew that he was going to incur the wrath even though he was just doing his constitutional duty. to your point and to maya's point, what is really alarming here is the extent of coordination that went on amongst eastman, amongst all these entities and with trump and wit

heard a vice president before. >> reporter: the supporters would take aim at the vice president. >> mike pence will have to come through for us. if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> reporter: the rioters echoing the president's remarks. >> if pence comes, we'll drag the [bleep] through the streets. >> reporter: trump still attacked pence and twitter as the mob was 40 feet away from the vice president. he told him that he had no authority to take such action. >> did the vice president convey his issue to the president, not just the world but directly to president trump? >> many times. >> and had been consistent in conveying his position? >> very consistent. >> reporter: he kept saying that the vice president had the authority. >> he let the legislatures of the state look into this and to get to the bottom of it. >> i thought he was crazy? i said are you out of your f'ing mind? you're going to cause riots in the streets. >> reporter: they sent these text messages to mark meadows, saying on january 5th, i'm worried about the next 48 hours. but as he was peddling the theory, e

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eastman pled the fifth a hundred times. >> the idea of mike pence, as his staff, gets into cars, pence says we're not leaving here, we are going to stay, and i'm going to do my constitutional duty as vice president of the united states. get out of the cars, get back into the capitol. i mean, that's a very moving scene. and good for mike pence. and to see those pictures of him at this loading dock, wherever that was. you mean, this was a moment in american history that could have gone either way. i think that's, you know, so reinforced. i mean, there could have been a lot more deaths. there could have been a constitutional crisis. it was bad enough as it was. but it could have been worse. and mike pence deserves a lot of credit for the resolution was as good, if that's the word, as it turned out to be. >> i was a little surprised. i think it was the first hearing that the evidence came out from members of the committee that -- i think it was liz cheney said that when this question of "hang mike pence" got back to trump, that trump supposedly said, you know, i understand maybe they have

revised his january 6th street in a rally of his supporters to take aim at the vice president. >> mike pence is going to have to come through for us, and if he doesn't, that will be a sad day for our country. >> the rioters echoing the president's remarks. >> i'm telling you, if pence came, we're going to drag [ bleep ] through the streets. >> trump still attacked pence on twitter, just as the mob was 40 feet away from the vice president. >> the vice president's life was in danger. >> trump had been told repeatedly that pence had no authority to take such an unconstitutional action. >> was with it your impression that the vice president had directly conveyed his position on these issues to the president, not just to the world through a dear colleague letter but to president trump? >> many times. >> and he had been consistent in conveying his possession to the president. >> very consistent. >> the committee focussing on the role of trump attorney john eastman who pushed the theory that the vice president could overturn the election. >> all we're demanding of mike pence is that this afternoon

hang mike pence! >> at 2:26 p.m. secret service rushed vice president pence down the stairs. >> approximately 40 feet. that's all there was. 40 feet between the vice president and the mob. a confidential informant from the proud boys told the fbi, the proud boys would have killed mike pence if given a chance. >> joining me now is a member of the january 6th select committee, democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland. he was the lead impeachment manager during the second impeachment. congressman raskin, welcome back to "meet the press." >> delighted to be with you. >> let's just start with what you believe are the most important takeaways from these hearings this past week? >> donald trump knew the lie was a big lie. they used it also as a big shakedown and rip-off of his supporters to keep money rolling in. usually when a campaign is over and someone has lost, it's very difficult to raise money, but they raised more than $200 million based on that lie. and then there's what i'm calling the big joke. the idea tha

mike pence if given a chance.witness, from the fbi, affidavit refers to his w one stated that other members of the group talked about things they did that say, and they said that anyone they got their hands on they would have killed, including nancy pelosi. that one further stated that members of the proud boys said that they would have killed mike pence if given a chance. mike pence if given a chance mike pence if given a chance for strength and energy. woo hoo! ensure, complete balanced nutrition with 27 vitamins and minerals. and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein. ♪ ♪ liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. [submarine rising out of water] minions are bitin' today. (sung) liberty. liberty. liberty. minions: the rise of gru, in theaters july 1st. right now, we're all feelin' a little strapped. but weekends are still all about grilling. and walmart always keeps prices low on our fresh ingredients. so you can save money and live better. ♪ it's still the eat fresh® ref

>> yep. >> hang mike pence! hang mike pence!'t all just rhetorical. the committee members were very clear on that. here's congressman aguilar. >> make no mistake about the fact that the vice-president's life was in danger. a recent court filing by the department of justice explains that a confidential informant from the proud boys told the fbi, the proud boys would have killed mike pence if given a chance. >> did you think, and you've heard those chants so many times, right, al? hang mike pence. and it's not as if you don't take it seriously and don't believe it's real, but did you believe those rioters were being literal? it certainly now appears that they were. >> oh, i've had no doubt about it. i mean there was clearly this concerted effort and to use their own words, it was clear they were being very literal about what they were going to do in their effort to chase down or locate different members of congress who they felt were standing in their way. and in the vice-president's case, he, according to the former president, wa

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mike pence has betrayed this country and he's been trayed the people of the united states and we will never ever forget. >> real simple. pence betrayed us, which apparently everybody knew he was going to. the president mentioned it like five times when he talked. you can go back and watch the president's video. >> this is our capitol. be respectful to it. four million people coming in. a lot of control. we love the cops. love you guys. >> it's only a matter of time. justice is coming. >> although the president's chief of staff mark meadows has refused to testify before this committee, mr. meadows aide, ben williamson and white house deputy press sister sarah matthews testified that mr. meadows went to the dining room near the oval office about the violence at the capitol before the president's 2:24 p.m. tweet. in future hearings, you'll hear more about exactly what was happening in the white house at the time. here's what some white how staff told the select committee. >> do you know where he went? >> yes. i followed him down the hallway and i followed him to the outer oval corridor,

i never called mike pence a wimp. mike pence had a chance to be great. ad a chance to be historic. just like bill barr and the rest of these week people, i say it sadly because i like him. mike did not have the courage to act. bill barr was afraid of certain things. please don't impeach me. what's wrong with being impeached twice? i don't want to be impeached. the election was perfect. the democrats sitting back there is no way we are going to impeach this guy. it's terrible. mike was afraid of whatever he was afraid of. as you heard a year and a half ago, mike pence had absolute no choice but to be a human conveyor belt, even if the votes were fraudulent. what happens when you have more votes than you had voters? it doesn't matter. nothing matters. host: that was former president trump from friday's faith and freedom conference in nashville. this morning, we are asking your view on the former vice president. there are the numbers on your screen. john is in new jersey. caller: good morning. i love mike pence. he got trump the nomination and the election.

mike pence had a chance to be great. he had a chance to be frankly historic. nd the rest of these weak people, mike -- and i say it sadly because i like him but mike did not have the courage to act. >> so boris and christi, i want to point out the crowd. there are a lot of trump supporters in the crowd but this is a friendly mike pence crowd. it's a religious event that mike pence has spoken at for years and still did not stop trump from completely mocking the former vice president sometimes to just tepid applause. >> kristen holmes live from nashville. thank you so much. >>> so more than 25 million people are under heat alerts and some folks will feel triple digit temperatures along with potentially new records. your weather forecast is next. trelegy for copd. [coughing] ♪ birds flyin' high, you know how i feel. ♪ ♪ breeze driftin' on by... ♪ if you've been playing down your copd,... ♪ it's a new dawn, it's a new day,... ♪ ...it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. ♪...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ no once-daily copd medicine... has the power to tre

at mike pence. they convinced the mob -- they had sat him in the back. in fact, when i confronted republican alabama congressman millbrook's about the horrifying violence just recently in the show. the violence that began shortly after, remember he told a crowd of trump's rally to quote, start taking down names and taking -- he claimed that he was just talking with the republican establishment. >> talking about beating republicans in the 2022 in 2024 election, that's whose names we are going to take down and derriÈres for going to kick, okay. so anybody who is there who looks the two sentences that a two sentence paragraph knows that i was talking about. it had nothing to do with what occurred of the united states capitol. >> as documenting the rhinos, we are talking with the republican party. the rhinos, that is it i was talking about. >> how can i be urging violence, as talking about the rhinos. exactly, yes mike pence was the rhino. not in any real, sense just in that day because he didn't know w

on the other side, mike pence is having a redemptive moment right now. what he did, the country now know how close the democracy came, how his own life was threatened and how he showed personal courage. you can disagree with many, many things he did during the trump administration but when it was time of making a big call, he held the line for democracy. so is that going to be something that is going to age well as these hearings go forward? this is a conversation keep in mind that republican leadership doesn't want to have. the same republicans and they might go along with trump public live but behind closed doors they want to get rid of him, too. they do not want to deal with this reckoning right now. all he's doing is strengthening the fringe characters. you look at what's happening in pennsylvania when the governor is a huge denier and would appoint the secretary of state. so candidates like that are gaining strength from this from the truth coming out in a way that the base doesn't want to hear it. it's forcing a reckoning that many republicans just

>> hang mike pence, hang mike pence! hang mike pence! [noise] >> hang mike pence, that's what they were chanting. today's star witnesses, two key republicans, pence's former white house counsel, greg jacob, and former federal judge, michael luttig, their testimony focused on trump's lawyer, john eastman and his scheme to defy the electoral count act and reverse joe biden's victory. trump was apparently 100% behind eastman's plan, despite being informed over and over that the plan was illegal. greg jacob went on to testify that even eastman himself admitted the plot was against the law. >> when i pressed him on the point, i said, john, if the vice president did what you are asking him to do, we would lose 9-0 in the supreme court, wouldn't we? and he initially started, well, i think we would lose only 7 to 2. but after some further discussion, he acknowledged, yeah, you are right, we would lose 9 to nothing. >> dr. eastman admit in front of the president that his proposal would violate the electoral count act? >> mr. eastman acknowledge t

quote, mike pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done, unquote. te. listen to this. >> pence didn't do what we wanted. pence voted against trump. >> okay. and that's when all this started? >> yep. that's when we march on the capitol. >> mike pence has betrayed the united states of america. >> he has betrayed us, which apparently everybody knew he was going to. and the president mentioned it, like, five times when he talked. >> like, five times when he talked. we learned there was a lot more conversations than just five that day. perhaps no surprise, but a source tells cnn that trump and pence, they haven't spoken to each other in over a year. we'll get more into this now frayed relationship. back with tonight's a-team, al, ari, and alissa to discuss all of that. plus, how important could ginni thomas be to the committee? that's up next. king at your tired old bath, we fit your style, with hundreds of design options. when a n normal day is anything but normal, we fit your schedule, with our unique tub over tub process, installed in as little as a da

donald trump wanted mike pence to do something no other vice president has ever done. the former president wanted pence to reject the votes and either declare trump the winner or send the votes back to the states to be counted again. mike pence said no. he resisted the pressure. he knew it was illegal, he knew it was wrong. we are fortunate for mr. pence's courage on january 6th. our democracy came dangerously close to catastrophe. that courage put him in tremendous danger. when mike pence made it clear that he wouldn't give in to donald trump's scheme, donald trump turned the mob on him. a mob that was chanting "hang mike pence." a mob that had built a hang man's gallows outside the capitol. thanks in part to mike pence, our democracy withstood donald trump's scheme and the violence of january 6th. but the danger has not receded. thereby my colleague, will lay out the facts for the american people. but first, i recognize my colleague from wyoming, ms. cheney, for any opening statements she would care to offer. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. let me take just a fe

mike pence quote deserves it. >> mike pence was maybe the most loyal member of that administration, but if he wasn't going to go along with the big lie he deserved potentially to die for that? >> yeah, victor. really what we learned last night was that donald trump was derelict in his duty, and you juxtapose that next to the police officer, officer edwards, you know, who demonstrated devotion to duty, and for mike pence, i mean, see what loyalty means to donald trump, it means absolutely nothing. mike pence could not have been more loyal to donald trump, only that in his moment of need, donald trump turned on him, and you know, seemed to be encouraging this mob, sicked the mob on the capitol, and chanting hang mike pence. if anybody shall be burned, it's mike pence, and you know, again, this further demonstrates donald trump's dereliction of duty. >> alyssa to your point, the president could have done something, and could have done something during those hours that he was missing in action. and so that's what liz cheney was talking about last night, in fact, we know now he didn't want t

hang mike pence! hang mike pence! hang mike pence!nce! >> approximately 40 feet -- that's all there was. 40 feet between the vice president and the mob. mr. jacob, did donald trump ever called out president -- to check on the safety? >> he did not. >> this pressure campaign unfolded against the backdrop of an illegal scheme that trump and his allies concocted to overturn the election, with or without pence's help. >> donald trump wanted mike pence to do something no other vice president has ever done. the former president wanted pence to reject the votes and even declare trump the winner or even send the votes back to the states to be counted again. >> the president wanted the vice president to do was not just wrong. it was illegal and unconstitutional. >> that declaration of donald trump as the next president would have plunged america into what i believe would have been tantamount to a revolution within a constitutional crisis. >> to be clear, repeatedly, mr. meadows, about you in the vice president, having a different view about --

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mike pence has betrayed the united states of america. [noise] mike prince has betrayed this president and the people of the united states and we will never ever forget. >> it's real simple, pence betrayed us. which apparently everyone knew he was going to do and the president mentioned it like five times when he talked. you can go back and watch the presidents video. >> be respectful to him. there are 4 million people coming in. [noise] >> it's only a matter time, justice is coming. >> although the presidents chief of staff mark meadows has refused to testify before this committee, mr. meadows aide, ben williamson and white house deputy press secretary sarah matthews testified that mr. meadows went to the dining room near the oval office to tell the president about the violence at the capitol before the president's 2:24 pm tweet. and future hearings, you'll hear more about exactly what was happening in the white house at that time. here is what some white house staff told the select committee. do you know where you went? >> yes, i follow

it know, mike pence refused to do it. , ., ., ., it.noting that the i select committee cannot bring criminal charges against mr trump but they can build a criminal case against him and how successful has this been? quite successful in bringing a lot of detail out and as i say, again, from people close to the action who were there and in the room at the time. it�*s interesting that one member of the committee today essentially appealed to others it may be sitting on the fence as to whether they should also come forward and provide their evidence, i think, forward and provide their evidence, ithink, perhaps hoping others with information to share that may be relevant to share that may be relevant to the investigation will be spurred on by what they have heard so far, to provide a bigger picture but you are absolutely right. this cannot in itself result in prosecution. that will be down to the department ofjustice. but it is certainly creating a big picture as to what happened and perhaps influencing some americans as to what and how they