i want to bring back mikey kay, christopher dickey and anthony row main and jay rawlings.uch run by computers. >> that is correct. and there have been the critics of the a320 fly by wire system. there have been accidents that have been attributed to it. there's the famous demonstration flight that air france had many many years ago when the aircraft was debuted for many of the dignitaries dignitaries. that plane was flying at low altitude, an a320 and actually crashed into the tree line. when reviewing the tape you can see the pilot is attempting to raise the nose power the aircraft up to climb, but aircraft systems, those computers overrode the pilots' signals, according to the information that has been reported. there is another incident in which a strong cross wind landing was being attempted. the wind was approximately 45 knots, direct cross wind across a runway. an a320 aircraft was attempting to land, and the aircraft almost went off the runway during touchdown phase. it was later determined that the programmed flight computer parameters didn't allow the type of pilo

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joining me now is faa licensed commercial pilot anthony roman and mikey kay, a retired adviser to the uk ministry of defense and joins us as well. gentlemen, it's good to have you with me. mikey, as you're hearing about the details and time line specifically, as a trained aviation expert talk about what you think the descent indicates, at least what we know on the time line? >> i want to pick up on what leflter was talking about in terms of the mantra given to pilots in emergency situations which was the afiate navigate and communicate piece. the navigate aspects of this, getting the aircraft under control once you know there's an emergency. the priority for the crew is look to the nearest diversion. it was at 38,000 feet when it started its descent and took eight minutes to descend to the point of impact. the speed was bleeding to below 200 knots, now if you take that over eight miles that's 40 knot nautical miles. it appears that the aircraft did not try to turn off its original flight path. if you rewind to 40 nautical miles, two perfect air fields that the aircraft could have pote

also wide receiver michael crabtree and guard mikey potty are set to leave the team as free agents. now stay with us here at ktvu all morning and online at ktvu.com for the very latest on the 49ers. we'll bring you the latest developments on air and online as they happen. >>> 4:36 is the time. amber alert for the bay area and entire state of california has been called off. law enforcement officers were looking for 37-year-old give van any and his one-year-old son jaden sand yeah go. the father stabbed the boyfriend of the baby's mother yesterday and took off. u.s. marshalls found the baddies mother later in the day. he is now under arrest. the boy's mother on her way to pick up her son. >>> there is still no sign of that child molestation suspect who escaped from custody in san jose yesterday. catching 43-year-old janell carter is their top priority. during a routine physical, carter over powered a deputy and escaped. the group bikers against child abuse have taken it upon themselves to make sure that the nine-year-old girl carter is accused of molesting is protected while his where

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mikey kay, thank to have you break it down. >> good to see you. >> and thanks so much. on the receiving end of isis supporters, due to them shutting down isis accounts. your war on us will cause a war on you. twitter is working with authorities to determine if the threats are real and released this statement. our security team is investigating the veracity of this. and joining us from global flash point evan coleman. >> and these are palestinian supporters that go by the name of [ inaudible ]. so it is not isis itself spokespersons but the threat is not saying that isis will attack twitter or jack dorsey or twitter employees, it is calling for lone wolf attacks in the spirit of the "charlie hebdo" attacks targeting twitter in retaliation for them cracking down on isis using that means to disem inate their target. and it is written in arabic but what the threat goes through scenarios where twitter employees could be randomly attacked after leaving bars or things like that. these are chilling because the problem is not that there are a million people who will follow the i

now mikey has gone to the supreme court and said overturned the precedent. do with congress. it is congress' responsibility. the guy collected or saved $6 million on royalties as far. he wants to can and you collect game royalties. i can't look as disappointed as you did when he used it. >> managed to get us all over the ceiling of my office and nowhere else. >> i am glad that the experience was universal. comedy central roast justin bieber. martha stewart is getting up on the action. i am talking about a player in the boardroom and a freak in the bedroom. my final piece of advice is called the. >> they are speechless. >> that was not a good thing. what did you think of this? >> it was like a joke in there does it solve. >> shaquille o'neal got in a good hit. let's listen to that. >> you are right. he uses your music to torture people. >> that is a great line. he is 21? i thought he was like 10. >> i do not feel bad for justin bieber. i feel bad for selena gomez. she was not even there to defend herself. >> he ended the night for a heartfelt apology. >> mome

. >> and mikey, we are awaiting the press conferences this afternoon and we'll have them for everybodyof an israeli hostage in this still image, can you see a 19-year-old right there, mohammed isis had accused him of being a spy -- this is the wrong still. forgive me f. we can get the right one up we will. they accused him of being a spy for israel. he is brutally shot at point blank range in the head by a teenage boy. the isis brutality is made possible through the startling pool of funds and there are reports they are raking in $100 billion a year through the heroin trade. and so we asked france to find where this money is coming from and you found heroin. >> yeah really dark material we are working with but fascinated how these drugs and opiates are funding terrorism. so let's get right down to it. and if you can imagine this as far as the total amount of dollars we are talking about with being funded. it is a total of $1 billion. that is the amount that russia's drug control chief is how much isis is making on the heroin trade in afghanistan and iraq alone, really an astounding amo

. >> mikey, how -- are you okay? >> i am going to lose it. i -- >> let me tell you something.cry. don't do that. >> oh. >> oh, mikey. [ cheers and applause ] >> let me tell you this you guys you came here you thought you were just going to have breakfast. kelly surprised you at breakfast. not only are you go come and watch the show but she made a special vip area to watch the concert. that's another thing for you. we'll come back a little later and we'll see kelly clarkson perform live on "gma." [ cheers and applause ] jummy: good morning. it is a 20 7 a.m. let's get over to -- 8:27 a.m. let's get over to jack. jack: things are starting to get better. we did have delays on both sides of theey are starting to ease up, moving up into landover. nothing wrong. activity in springfield is on the shoulder with all travel lanes open. ninth street is closed between ee and pennsylvania avenue with fire activity in the area, very slow traffic in both directions on the third street tunnel because of police activity near the u.s. capital. there you go. what are we in for? jacqui: a wintry

. >> i'm telling you don't tell doctor mikey won't, i won't.ce us to the waffle taco and new they have created the biscuit taco yeah. business cot taco is biscuit that is shaped like a taco wrapped around fried chicken, and talk inside egg, cheese and your choice of sausage or bacon and jalapeno honey sauce that mixes heat and sweet. so you talk about this new breakfast thing right new but this is only available in los angeles. if it is a hit they will roll it out in other places and we could possibly see this in philly. i'm still getting used to taco belfor breakfast but might as well try it out, right. >>> san diego zoo has a new addition, new born hippo baby hippo was delivered monday. here's the thing its gender has in the yet been determined. they are trying to work to figure that out. i'm in the sure how they do that but they are working on it. mother and calf appear to be bonding well. the father is off right new owe that way baby and mom get alone time to get to know each other but they are trying to figure outfit is a boy or girl. they

everybody wants to be like mikey. number one. number four.these happen to have air in the name. i have to tell you something, a new sports hero is starting to emerge. this guy is more of an every man. he doesn't did you think from the free-throw line. he's like you and me. and he may be able to take under armour and become a real player in the sneaker world. stephen curry is killing it. his rookie card goes for 1300 bucks. a couple years ago, $250. his jersey, number two seller in the league behind lebron. he ranks as the number one athlete from 18 to 34-year-old sportsman. if he's the next big thing in sports, investors will probably make a lot of money owning the brands he's associated with. it will breathe life in your portfolio. let's talk about making money with stephen curry. matt, you're something of a sports fan. this man has taken off like crazy. the ceo of finish line reported, the new stephen curry sneaker is amazing, phenomenal. never anything like it. >> i love under armour. stephen curry went to a small school named davidson. th

. >> i don't have any money so -- >> mikey, how -- are you okay? >> i am going to lose it.ill cry. don't do that. >> oh. >> oh, mikey. [ cheers and applause ] >> let me tell you this, you guys, you came here, you thought you were just going to have breakfast. kelly surprised you at breakfast. there's another little surprise. not only are you going to come and watch the show, the concert, but she made a very special vip place to watch the concert, so that's another thing for you. [ cheers and applause ] >> so, everybody stay right there. we'll come back a little later and we're going to see kelly clarkson perform live on "gma." [ cheers and applause ] see kelly clarkson perform live on "gma." [ cheers and applause ] . >>> good morning. i'm eric thomas. there's no telling when students who've applied to uc berkeley will find out if they've been accepted. they don't know how many slots they have open. that funding is adequate and he's threatening to withhold 120 million dollar if tuition goes up. >> we have the 360 cam in broadway burlingame. you can see the hotels coming up h

. >> mikey, how -- are you okay? >> i am going to lose it. i -- >> let me tell you something. don't do that. >> oh. >> oh, mikey. [ cheers and applause ] >> let me tell you this you guys you came here you thought you were just going to have breakfast. kelly surprised you at breakfast. not only are you go come and watch the show but she made a special vip area to watch the concert. that's another thing for you. we'll come back a little later and we'll see kelly clarkson perform live on "gma." [ cheers and applause ] >> ♪♪ >> hey everyone it's eight:27 on this tuesday, march third. a wintry mix due to arrive this afternoon. meteorologist karen rogers is in for david with the timeing from accuweather. >> matt at cold dry 27 degrees right now. i have been talking to people on twitter saying i wonder if it will snow before i pick up my kids from school. 9:00 a.m. dry noon we're dry cloudy and 30. an early high of 34 and then from 2:00 p.m. on you want to watch for the snow from west to east so it's going to be snowing in the city by 3:00 p.m. the temperature will drop and then it's

and we have mikey kay joining us to talk about what we are learning today, the breaking news for the nbc news and officials pointed out that bergdahl was most likely face charges of desertion but it depends on the degree of charge. there could be a lesser charge that would have him avoid responsibility of reporting to jail and it could be considered time served because of being a prisoner in afghanistan. >> tom, since the bowe bergdahl case came to light, i've been covering it for a few years now, and the mitigating circumstances of what bowe bergdahl had gone through were extreme in my view. he was held in the network and held for a good couple of years. and so given the fact that he's gone through this sort of extreme psychological experience, the first thing is when we look at post-traumatic stress disorder or pts, it is hard to identify when a person tips. and when you look at troops in combat and the u.s. troops in combat have been deployed whether to iraq for 12 months and then deploy to afghanistan for 12 months it's hard to understand what makes them tip. and when you look at

. >> mikey is in the house. >> yeah. >> we are doing our fourth annual, so excited, four years we haveeen doing this. it is teachers verse student talent show. we have a great show. last year i think we had our best show last year. i think it will be better this year. i really mean it. it is a great ministerial builder and it is also practically it is a way to salvage many of the programs that keep kid in school, the spark program, the marching ban, all of the stuff that gets kid to come to school. >> how many years ago did you do that school. >> 2009/2010, i taught for a year at northeast high. it was a life changing experience. i'm just attached to the school. >> you fell in love with them. >> yes. >> the reason why is because because i saw if everybody in the country would spend a year in school, in a inner city school and see what it is like it would change everybody's attitude. the work that goes on there is so incredible. people are really working hard there. i have one of the teachers joe connolly with me with his northeast shirt on and everything else and, you know, this is a m

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. >> mikey kay is a former adviser to the defense.nd here's a region we've been spending a lot of time looking at. what are we looking at right now? >> one of the things important here and i think the important thing we need to discern, is the u.s. engagement within the region in iraq and that juxtaposition of now what's going on in yemen. it's all about the threat. let's take a look at the threat up in iraq. that involves around isis. it's about the islamic caliphate establishing sharia law across the middle east and parts of asia under that version of sunni islam, that's what the threat is there. the u.s. is engaged and populist mobilization forces engaged and peshmerga engaged and the important note is the u.s. is not working directly with the shia militia in iraq against isis. let's go down to yemen. this part of the world, this is all about the balance of power and here the perceived threat is the houthis, they have lived in this part of yemen for a long time hundreds of years. they are starting to gain more power over the elemen

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tiger's endorsement deal with mikey, spotted millions of dollars, prohibits him from using hirst first and last name without consent. so, his new p.m. veg tour will be named woods jupiter sports and dining club. man, jupiter because it is in jupiter, florida, the town jupiter, florida in 2013, tiger signed his fourth end doserment deal with nike. he's been endorser since turning what? he's been an endorser. what's that mean? since turning pro in 94. >> he's been endorsed maybe? >> probably what it is. his contract are worth about $20 million a year. >> just that. >> would you give up the right of your name for 20 million? >> yes! yes! i would do whatever they want. >> whatever? oh okay. >> whatever. i was thinking about opening like, you know, a establishment here in philadelphia. >> do you have the rights to your name at this point? >> yes dow. >> okay. >> but, you know i need your help maybe on twitter what would i call, if i opened a bar restaurant or something? >> i have an idea. >> think about it. >> oh, you don't want me to say it? >> not yet. >> let it stew. if something came to

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what more do we know about this investigation mikey?essmanshock's father was matter of fact telling reporters his son has broken the law, and the father retickets that two years aaron will be successful if he ills not jail. >> if they're going to convict him on paperwork, they're going to convict him. but he has done a lot of good in his life, and it hurts when people overlook all the good he has done because of some variances in paperwork. >> reporter: shock has lawyered up and has hired an outside pr team but today nobody around him is talking. >> nobodies lining up to support him. it's deafly silent out there. >> reporter: we have heard some people say they were surprised by his quick depart at the. he was nobody as prolific fundraiser and many of colleagues spoke of him as being a happy guy. some question whether he was too bold on social media, showing off what he was doing and now there's talk about whether lawmakers should get more ethics training. >> i have to say i was a bit stunned by the announcement. i expert and the america

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. >>> i want to bring in msnbc contributor, mikey, about the influence in the middle east.ed to be connected with the proxy wars that take place with iran's influence. >> you're absolutely right, thomas. i think the key thing here is the rapid formulation of an 11-country coalition last week by the sunni countries against the shia houthis which are allegedly backed by iran. that's the reason why these sunni nations are so nervous. it's the iranian influence across the nation. three countries where the tentacles run deep. first one is lebanon, syria, and then iraq. so, let's have a look at the first one here which is lebanon. in the south here hezbollah came about in 1982 and came about as a resistance force against the israelis that were occupying south lebanon. when the israelis left in 2000, hezbollah then gained some sort of political dependence and they actually gained ten seats in 2009 in the lebanese parliament. fast forward to 2013 hezbollah get involved in qysayr strategic town between damascus and the naval base. they remain around damascus helping fight against th

mikey nike's made billions off of him. the conference call, it was like a disney movie.was like it is so great. everybody feels -- your singing. you're singing nike "frozen." >> ua getting a little love this morning. lulu's on deck soon. >> uab got love too. >> yes. >> ua look it's so -- kevin plank set his company up as a fitness company, he has map my fitness, 135 million subscribe. nike athletic company. if you feel if you're younger, you want to be an athlete, you want to go nike. if you are someone who want to be fit you want to go under armour these are both big universe but was one may resonate more in china than we think. china wants to be pro athletes. american athlete like we're not proathletes. >> what a force race. >> if someone said if i put a gun to your head which do you choose? i said first, take the gun away from my head. right now at this moment it is a push. it really is. >> you know what? that's an amazing compliment to plank. i'm not taking sides, but you're talking about a company that's come along in a short period of time and given the biggest own

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and we have now joining us on the phone along with john cox and anthony romans mikey kay who has loggedhat are your thoughts and analysis here? >> good morning, mika. yeah i mean what has already been reported it's an a320. we know they were carrying 142 passengers. we know there were six crew onboard. a total of 148. it looks like the aircraft disappeared off radar at about 68,000 feet which puts it quite high in the french if alps region which is interesting. i certainly don't know what the weather conditions were like but usually in that part of the world at 68,000 feet it is winter time precipitation occurs. >> 38,000. >> over that region. so you know, again, we don't know if the aircraft was with imc which is in cloud or vmc, which is visual meteorological conditions. we're not sure of that as well. being around clouds is important in terms of the references. but in that part of the world as well they have what's called safety altitudes. and when ever an aircraft has a problem of any kind whether it be mechanical related or whether it be atc related, they will have certain altitude