all men and by the way did women play a huge role in the church yes they did there was mary the mother of jesus who was revered right from the time that she was still alive and she was assumed into heaven as we know from the early writings of the church she was revered as a saint immediately she was looked to by the church she was lived with the apostle john and they went to her for counsel at the last excuse me at the pen acosta who led them in prayer that the holy spirit would come down upon them it was mary the mother of god and so have women played a massive role in the church since its founding absolutely they have but does that role suggest that there has to be a male priesthood you know the priesthood is in the image of christ and christ was a man but there was never this kind of contention male women contention back then mary the mother of jesus and the muslims i'd like to just jump in here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on pope francis stayed with are. leaving. are decent faces of freedom fighters. and. they're ready to clean

we are not talking about mary the mother of jesus. did those two marys have any contact. >> it seems there was some contact between them because mary magdalene was jesus' closest disciple and although jesus' relationship with his family was often fraught, nonetheless, there is good evidence that towards the end of his life, there was a reconciliation with his family. >> it is clear she has been depicted throughout a good deal of history, at late as 1876 in this portrait we see on the screen, mary magdalene. the artist is julius. that erotic allure has been caught by brown in his book. >> it certainly has been. >> would you deny if jesus were to have a lover, that lover would have been mary magdalene. >> she does remain the most likely candidate. the difficulty is that we do not have firm evidence one way or another, and therefore i don't believe it is possible to draw an inference that is reasonable. >> we don't have evidence to the contrary. >> that is the case. >> in fact there is some things in his life that lead people to think the

considering she was the mother of jesus and she's considered spiritually the mother of all catholics all christians. i don't know if that means will he make that visit in one of the chapels inside the vatican or maybe he'll make a visit to one of the shrines in the city of rome. we don't really know. there's a lot we're going to have to find out. by the end of tomorrow we should know when the inauguration mass will be scheduled to take place. >> chris jansing, you've been there following. your quick last reaction before we wrap up this hour. >> i think this is an extraordinary moment. i think this is obviously history being made. it's an acknowledgment of latin america and the growth there. i think there's much yet to be seen and there's a certain excitement about that. for american catholics who are wondering if there are going to be changes on things like sexual morality, that's not going to happen. but you see a man of great compassion and someone who has reached out to the suffering and the poor and that is something that will definitely resonate, tamron. so we will wait and see.

what that might be like to feel that with a mother's heart, to see it through a mother's eyes, but remembering that jesus of reminded that watching the scene and in one of those things he took time to love and care for his mother. >> sean: well done. really well done. i'm looking forward to seeing the finale on sunday night and then if people, you haven't caught up, you can watch during day. >> yeah, the history are doing a whole marathon and hope that people gather around to see

but the emotional and spiritual demands of the day was really-- >> did you feel playing the mother of jesusot into that role maybe deeper than you thought you would? >> well, i have loved the blessed mother my whole life. >> sean: catholic-- >> loved jesus m

. >> you have assembled an extraordinary cast, including your wife, who plays the mother of jesus, andmuch money was put into this thing, but whatever you put into it shows in the production value of it. i saw a little bit at your house a couple of months ago, and i thought, whoa, they didn't scrimp on the money on this thing. >> when you look at the clip you just showed, that could have come off -- >> as cheesy. >> yeah. it looks terrific. >> we hired an incredible special effects company out of london. we wanted to be able to bring all of these wonderful moments. daniel and the lions, jesus walking on water, moses crossing the red sea to life with the latest and greatest cgi. >> do you discover that most people who think the bible are boring are the ones that have actually never read it? you can say a lot of things about the bible, but it is not boring. it has so much drama. you want sex, lies, and there wasn't videotape, but if there had been, right? it's extraordinary human drama. >> great story in its own. you think about it. shakespeare wouldn't have existed really without the bi

. >> reporter: catholics revere maria, the mother of jesus, and church history is replete with women who struggled and died for the faith. other women refuse to stay silent when they saw evil in the church. st. katharine of siena described the cardinals as devils in human form. today strong willed women are trying to break through the stained glass ceiling. sister mary ann walsh concedes the church hierarchy is male dominated but women do occupy important lay positions in catholic social and relief organizations. >> if you take the issue off the table if you take ordination off the table, for example, in the u.s., our statistics are better than the department of labor when it comes to women in executive positions. >> reporter: a bit of female advice would help the church steer its way through troubled waters, says professor of the gr gregorian college. >> when you listen to women especially and listen to their perspective and i think, you know, a lot of the ways that this crisis was handled in the church, you know to have had more women's input in dealing with it would have been a bet

of her was born jesus who is called the christ. now this is how the birth of jesus christ came about when his mother mary was betrothed to jesus.her, she was found with child through the holy spirit. joseph, her husband, since he was a righteous man, yet unwilling to expose her to shame, decided to divorce her quietly. such was his intention when behold, the angel of the lord appeared to him in a dream and said, joseph, son of david, do not be afraid to take mary, your wife, into your home. for it is through the holy spirit that this child has been conceived in her. she will bare a son and you are to name him jesus. because he will save his people from their sins. when joseph awoke, he did as the angel of the lord had commanded him and took his wife into his home. the choir sings "praise to you, oh lord, praise to you." >> now we are waiting for the homily of the holy father. it is indeed a sermon, even at this inaugural mass, but listened to much more carefully. many more people will read it to set the tone for what he believes his papal ministry will be about. i'm joined by an author of "evangelical wisdom." what do you hope

of her was born jesus who was called christ. now this is how the birth of jesus christ came about when his mother mary was the trough of joseph butshe was found with child through the holy spirit. joseph her husband since he was a righteous man, yet unwilling to expose her to shame, decided to divorce her quietly. such was the intention when behold the angel of the lord appeared to him in a dream and said, joseph, son of david, do not be afraid to take mary your wife into your home, for it is through the holy spirit that this child has been conceived in her. she will bear a son and you are to name him jesus. because he will save his people from their sins. when joseph awoke he did as the angel of the lord had commanded him and took his wife into his home. (speaking foreign language) >> the homily will be coming next. we have word from the vatican that two of pope francis' siblings could not be there today. but his selisium sister is there. it is an order by saint bosco the homily coming shortly. (speaking foreign language) ♪ >> dear brothers and sisters i thank the lord that i can celebrate this holy mass on s serenity of st. jos

jesus death. >> you have written a lot of books boot st. partly. >> paul knew a lot of about the -- i can't imagine that they talk about mother-in-laws or about for a respect that jesus was the messiah. he schoez crucifixion? our fooit is worthless. >> pat for nelson's faet is in a gees is who toid for the accepts of moop? of christ did not rise from the death, then he dead notity in-if you happen to be as dpod as god. >> if i would pr row from small. fact, effection, naet after the arrest of these is? ch a kimg come of god up earth. >> as a christian, i believe that jesus was executed by the legal imperial power of the date. to say he was raised by god, means for me that god revoked, reversed the judgment of that lower court. the process was and how it was gp back to god in the sons that had taken it over. 6. >> we base our faith in it that jesus christ actually became man. whether it is a literal belief or historical interpretation. >> do you get offended when people question the life and resurrection of jesus christ? >> they probably experienced something in that life that has made it very deft. they ebbs importance dpod in a perm way, the

of the madonna with the child jesus. >> that's the pope there, obviously, right before, saying final prayers. mass is about over. >> pope francis really expressed his own devotion to the blessed motherfically, and in that first full morning of his pontificate going to the church of santa maria maggiore to pray at the shrine of mary, protectress of rome. >> we've been talking this morning that the pope did not go off script as some were anticipating in his homily or during this service but that moment may have come before the service began when he entered st. peter's square in the open-top pope mobile when he was kissing babies. i think we counted three babies at least that he kissed. one was a long-distance handoff. and then, of course, he descended from the pope mobile into the crowd >> not only kissing babies, but that man reminded me, really, of jesus reaching down to the paralyzed person on the mat, ministering in a very direct way. it was one of the most touching moments of the whole mass, i think. >> many people in the faith community are those who are observing francis, i remember being with john allen, thinking about what does this mean and there do seem to be a lot of, you

in communion whose memory we generate, especially mary, mother of our god and lord, jesus christ, andtles and martyrs. peter and paul, andrew, james, john, thomas, james, phillip, bartholomew, matthew, simon and jude, linus, cletus, sixtus. law rins laurence, john and paul and all of your saints we ask that through their merits and prayers, in all things, we may defend it by your protecting help. therefore, lord, we pray, graciously accept this oblation of our service, that and your whole family, and command we be delivered from intern dal damnation and counted among the flock that you have chosen. be pleased, o, god, we pray, to bless, acknowledge and approve this offering in every respect. make it spiritual and acceptable so that it may become for us the body and blood of your most beloved son, our lord, jesus christ. on the day before he was to suffer, he took bread, in his holy and venerable hands and with his eyes raised to heaven to you, o god, his all mighty father, give ugg thanks, he said the blessing. broke the bread and give it to his disciples saying, take this, all of you

hail mary, full of grace, blessed are thou among women, and blesed eblessed is the fru womb, jesus. holy mother of god, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. amen. the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit. let us begin this journey togeth together, the people of this journey for the roman catholic church, it is a journey of friendship, of love, of trust, and faith between us. let us pray always for one another, let us pray for the whole world because let us have a big brotherhood. i wish that this journey for the church, that we are going to start today and my vicar cardinal is going to help me on this journey and bear fruit for the evangelizing of this beautiful city. i would like to offer you my blessing, but i would like to ask a favor first. first, before the bishop, bless the people, i would like to pray for the lord so that the prayers of the people blesses also the new pontiff. let us pray in silence your prayer to me. >> the holy father francis, keep this blessing, to all of you present here and those who are listening to the radio, or watching him live on tv

blessed is the fruit of thy womb jesus. holy mary, mother of god, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death, amen. >> the first prayers offered by pope francis i upon his selection as the new pontiff. bishop david o'connell is joining us right now. he is the bishop of trenton -- the diocese of trenton, new jersey, former president of the catholic university of america and a good friend. father o'connell, when you heard the news, of the new pope, what immediately went through your mind? >> wolf, i was stunned. it was not a name i expected to be announced. it was not a person i expected to see on the balcony. like many other popes i was surprised by this appointment but it took all of about a minute to be delighted by it. >> tell us why you are especially delighted. >> you know, this is a man who loves the poor and he has a reputation for being a real servant of the poor. and that itself speaks volumes about him. you know, he was an archbishop in buenos aires and he had the right and the privileges that v.i.p.s have and yet he gave

>> jesus is hispanic, and also there's a lot of african actors, sampson is african, sampson's mother zar is african, a number of angels are african, it's a very, very diverse cast and jesus is hispanic. >> i want to follow up on something i said earlier when i talked about reality show, sort of candy, more substance. this has beaten "the apprentice." is this going to shift anything for you professionally you think, mark, you think you can do both and we need both in television in the landscape? >> i think we need both. listen, a great television line-up, it's got comedy, sports, news, dramas, reality, and specials, and we do a bit of each but we have "the voice" coming back in a couple of weeks, "apprentice" is number one sundays at 10:00, "the voice" number one monday and tuesday and "survivors" wednesday and "shark tank" untouchable fridays and "the bible" is the number one show on tv. >> he we like the number one, don. >> you certainly do and are good at it. success like this, congratulations and more success to you. thanks for joining us, roma downey and mark burnett, coproducers

mother at one point. that kind of -- that priest is the body of christ and is jesus. you can have hierarchy structures, and there's all kinds of original structures in the church even of paul, and, certainly, of the pastor letters and in the acts of the apostles, but that secret power of the priest, and, of course, that's what led to the scandal of the sexual abuse. sexual abuse is a horrible tragedy, and it occurs all over the place, unfortunately. it occurs in scouting, families, everywhere. what happened here, though, is that it was impossible to say, for a lot of people so say a priest could do this. after all, his hands are tied together when he's ordained, consecrated for the use of mass. when they had his finger chewed off by an indian woman in torture, he had to have permission in rome to consecrate with the other finger, that those fingers were stroking a penis of a boy. it was not your first normal abuse. parents tended not to believe things, father couldn't do that, no. when they thought there was something to it, and they went to priest, the priest would s

mother brown as a parties -- participant for three reasons. one is the brain trust we allow. also the second reason * of course is the teachings of the prophecy by john of jesus christ. and third, an address [speaker not understood] 66 sixth street. i would like to include -- have i run out of time? >> you have 20 seconds left. >>> thank you. you're part of the contract. god told him to obey its term. you personally and all your prosperity have this continuing responsibility that every male among you shall be circumstance um sized. [speaker not understood] shall be cut off. the foreskin of his penis shall be cut off. >> thank you very much. next speaker. * >>> hello, supervisors. i also would like to thank supervisor chiu for the ndna resolution. and the reason for that, not just thanking him, but also encouraging all the other supervisors to stand behind this resolution. it's very important. this is a city that has "san francisco" values. we should stand up for values that are constitutional, that support individual rights, that are values that we know as a city. and i would encourage all of you to stand behind supervisor chiu. i would also encourage, if i m

mother. >> makes her day when i send her like a "thinking of you" card. she has all kinds of pictures that i've done for her, jesus pictures of jesus, all kinds of religious pictures i like to do. >> she's religious? >> yeah, christian. >> as though his devil horn tattoos aren't ironic enough for a christian-themed artist, abbott is also serving 40 years for stealing from and burning down a historic catholic church in his hometown. and while he claims he didn't do it, he does admit that he stole some shoes from the church before the fire started. >> there's definitely something mentally wrong with me when it comes to klepto, taking little things, probably wouldn't think much about it. some people wouldn't understand why certain people take certain items, i guess. i wouldn't be able to explain it. the psychology part wouldn't add up with me. >> but even in prison, abbott still has a certain appreciation for shoes. >> i shine my shoes usually for appearance to make myself look for presentable. it's not that nice to walk around scruffy-looking. i'm done with that one. usually i do this right before they open the door

his mother, when she's pregnant, she goes to elizabeth and said god will fill the hungry with good things and the rich he will send empty away. >> john: i think a lot of conservatives think that jesusy speaking in metaphor there and the talking snake is the literal part. i'm always curious about the issue of taxation. what did jesus mean when he said render unto seasure that which is caesars. if it's caesars money it's caesars rules. you got to fund your society, and you have to fund it with everybody's money. >> john: right on. >> i think that your point about a democracy is different is correct, but the values of good samaritan, that endures. >> john: that guy paid out of pocket for an unknown immigrant's healthcare. >> thank you. >> dr. reverend susan thistlethwite. thank you for bringing to us what is says in the actual bible. >> thank you, john. >> john: thank you. in a day where it may be feminist to be a housewife. that's up next. billy zane stars in barabbas. coming in march to reelz. to find reelz in your area, go a closer shave in a single stroke for less irritation, even on sensitive skin. ♪ ♪ gillette mach3 sensitive. gillette. the best a man can get. >> john: welcome b

jesus do? i think that's the way he lives his life. he advocated for the children of single mothersng priests. people have already seen such a difference spirit in this man. i don't think people have to agree with everything the pope teaches to be drawn to him. i think that's important for the church. i'm not the pope. but -- >> still -- >> it's a message people are drawn to. he's not going to change to get people to follow him. people will follow because they want to follow. >> i just want amy to have the last word in here. still on the issue of contraception many young people, you can't even comprehend that someone would be against that for women. when you look to the church, they wanted to be a more modern institution and relate to their everyday lives. in that instance, it seems to not be doing that. >> carol, it comes back to what i said. as parents, it is our responsibility to instill morals and values into our children's lives and bring the church into their lives. it is not the government's place. at the end of the day we have to decide what's best for us. maybe not everyone

jesus. >> uh-huh. >> it's official that i am embarrassed. and now what's next? >> most famous mother. most famous name in the history of the world. start by understanding this is not a role, this is a figure that it's pretty much alive every single day for billions around the world. >> yeah. >> so, first of all, you have to take it with understanding that. >> did you call your parents and say, listen to the part i just got. >> first of all, i freaked out. i panicked. then i calmed down. i really -- and then i made a phone call and they were really happy obviously. they were super happy and -- i mean i think -- i think -- none of us were expecting this success and the way that it's touching people and i mean i'm -- daily i'm surprised by the way people are just manifesting themselves about the show. >> go on to twitter. you won't believe. >> extraordinary. >> you will believe. >> diogo's portrayal is really touching people's lives. it's inspiring and it's hopeful and people are hungry for hope. >> and i just want to say really quickly to darwin and sharon, incredible job playing peter and samson's mother and i know miracless aboun

mother, behold your son because if he is committing them to this kind of covenant together. i am not saying jesus was gay. right? let that not be the headline tomorrow. on the other hand how could we possibly imagine jesus not standing with lgbt people in this struggle? >> he stood with everybody else who was an outcast. >> that's right. >> and join the conversation at 866-55 press. on twitter @bp show. >> heard around the country and seen on current tv this is "the bill press show." (vo) only on current tv. converstion started next. >> i'm a slutty bob hope. >> you are. >> the troops love me. the sweatshirt is nice and all but i could use a golden lasso. (vo) only on current tv. you know who is coming on to me now? you know the kind of guys that do reverse mortgage commercials? those types are coming on to me all the time now. (vo) she gets the comedians laughing and the thinkers thinking. >>ok, so there's wiggle room in the ten commandments, that's what you're saying. you would rather deal with ahmadinejad than me. >>absolutely. >> and so would mitt romney. (vo) she's joy behar. >>and the best

of jesus. >> and our exclusive and candid conversation with cate edwards, what she's doing to carry on her mother elizabeth's legacy and what she really thinks of her father's affair, but, first, this is "today" on nbc. enough about the book, i want to hear about your date. well, he showed up in a van. [ women ] oh-awww. [ voices in background ] [ female announcer ] swapportunity. the opportunity to swap a higher calorie snack for a delicious 90 calorie yoplait light. ♪ sorry... about your date, the details of your date. [ female announcer ] just one swap a day helps keep the calories away. yoplait. it is so good. >>> still ahead, ryan seacrest kicks off his series, and we'll be talking to people on the verge of making it big. ryan is getting into the prediction business. >> also ahead, ever looked back at some of the early videotapes of your career. >> not if i can help it. since i burned them, no. >> on a related note, take a look at some stars of today before they were stars of today. these are never-before-seen audition tapes. >> oh, wow. >> from some of the biggest stars in the business, and

steve: good to have you, talking about the finals e of the bible, your version, will run on easter evening. and what's interesting is you play jesus' mother. >> i know. i'm so honored that i was able to step into the role, though. it's the most beautiful episode on easter sunday. it will break your heart and it will heal your heart. it's the darkest of times and then it's the lightest of times because we see the death and the suffering of jesus on the cross, not even what they did to him, but what he did for us. then we see, of course, the risen lord, the miracle of the resurrection. we go through to pentecost, which isn't often seen on screen. the disciples are empowered by the holy spirit. it goes through to paul, paul on the road to damascus, the conversion of paul, and right through to revelation. it's the most beautiful evening of television. i just encourage your listeners to celebrate the miracle of easter this easter with their family. >> gretchen: what's so beautiful is that you and your husband did this together. mark burnett, "the survivor" series and other things. this was sort of a mission that the two of you had. it didn't c

jesus says, after all this time you don't know who i am? if you came to faiths someone came to faith before you and my mother prayed for me every day of my lifeer see a turtle on a fence post, you know he didn't get there by himself. >> coming to that you say "trust in the lord with all your heart" because you ran away from this your whole life. >> my favorite calculate -- chapters is are the pot are i amount clay. the whole idea of faith and forking it over, i am yours all 96 percent, i want dominion over my 401(k) and my wife which is impossible, i might add, which is what i have learned in 45 years. but this is a book that will inspire people. one of my heroes is a cope who never said go do win but play basketball how it should be played and i will say play the game of life. >>alisyn: this is "way of the wise." thanks for sharing it. >> you used to be a wise guy, you say, but i think you still are. >> coming up, a mom punishing her kids by forcing them to wear shame shirts to school. the school says, not to fast. who has the power over the kids, the school or the parents? >> our next guest is an expert on all things irish. i irish food com