what about the muslim culture as it pertains to immigrant muslims? where is the balance and what is the place in islam? [ speaking foreign language ] >> i want to start off by saying first of all, that's not quite the question i remember receiving but i'll try to respond to it to the best of my ability. i think this is a very complex question and i'm trying to sort of read between the lines so that i can get at what i think is actually being offered. and perhaps one of the best ways of doing that is to pick up on something that dr. khabeer said. and that is that we are muslims. and before we're muslims, we're human beings. and as human beings, there is nothing more natural than cultural production. human beings are naturally cultural producers. and we may draw some instruction in this regard from something that the prophet said. the prophet says that the most truthful -- not the best, but the most truthful names for a human being are two. one is the one who's constantly toiling. human beings toil. they work. they occupy themselves with production. th

we were born muslim. are not the we have more of a right to muzzle spaces than you do. -- muslim spaces. we have discussed of late but what did she do? she used her agency applause. one thing to all of these individuals are doing, and i'm sure many of you are doing, this is what eluded to, is that she didn't just defend, you're right, and the woman, nothing to see. she was like, by god, i swear you are wrong and i'm not going to drink and tell each other what you said i'm going to tell it like it is. when she said that, he didn't sake of your face and leave. he said i don't mean to say cover your face and oppressively. many women choose to do that, god bless and to do something that is the way we treat women who have something very important to say about the dynamics of our committee. instead he told her, omar doesn't more of a right to me than you. noted his companions. what he told is that you and your companions migrated twice and he only migrant once so they are rewarded more for him. when she used he

we have more of a right to muslim spaces than you do. we were born muslim, you were not. we hear these discussions in the community constantly. she used her agency of voice. one thing all of these individuals are doing and i'm sure many of you are doing is that she didn't just is it there and go you're right, i'm a woman, i have nothing to say. she was like by god, i swear you are wrong and i'm not going to drink or eat until i tell what you said. he didn't say cover your face leave. i don't mean to say cover your face in an oh progressive way. sometimes that is the way we treat women who have something very important to say about the dynamics of our community. he told her omar doesn't have more of a right to me than you -- companions. he said you migrated twice and he only migrated once. she empowered the rest of the community of people who came later. the reason i wanted to focus on this quickly is because we have the collective ability to focus on all these other areas. but we need to make sure that we as a community feel like we can voice the issues that we are dealin

and that is that we are muslims, and before we are muslims we are human beings. as human beings there is nothing more natural and cultural production. human beings are naturally cultural producers. and we may draw some instructions in this regard from something the prophet said, in the collection, there's a phrase with the prophet says that the most truthful, not the best but the most truthful main for human being are you, and they are -- it is the one who is constantly toiling. human beings toil, they work. they occupy themselves with production. and the other is anxious. cultural production in some ways is really about taking the edge off this sort of cosmic injustice that we feel as human beings. this is why the german philosopher once said it is that cosmicosmic fear, you know, we'o become from? why are we here? where are we going? he said that is the mother of all culture. and all human beings are involved in that. in terms of the whole enterprise of producing culture, i don't think that is a problem because we just as human as anybody else. but i think that

of boxes for muslims.and the reality of the story is courage. the greatest fight is with the supreme court. he is fighting the good fight and he has parkinson's and they would offer him to continue the message of truth and standing firm and justice. when you look at the story is correct the idea of being the greatest. he says only what is god is the greatest. i'm trying to look up at the potential. they've touched my heart just by mentioning [inaudible] or you look at the stories and see passion around islam as being inclusive and measuring people based on the character based upon their character and not the color of their skin and social stability but looking at the heart of the matter of what are you contributing to society. so bless us as a community to keep striving for the best and make sure that we showed the best the year after. [applause] >> i've struggled with this question a lot and i don't want to repeat what has been set up been said but their are two things coming to mind. the first is i try n

why would the muslim safe? this is a chocolate city income of black city who is being boycotted because of the black power the day after. my where the muslim safe here? martin luther king of his last words, the last words that he spoke publicly, we knew he was going to be assassinated. i like to live a long life. longevity has its place, but that didn't matter. a just want to do god's will. and then he was murdered. the bill that allowed for non-white immigrants to start coming to america in big numbers , brown muslims started coming to america. this was preceded by the civil rights bill. the language and the president, because this to happen. on muslim african-americans made america a safer place. when those people stand up for civil rights and for human rights in this context this is the language there were using. but my experience when i go places -- in to get back very quickly, they had a notion of allah that a lot of us don't recognize as being part of our tradition. i was just with minister farrakhan not

i don't see muslims. moderate muslims are not speaking. [applause] >> we're getting a lot of questions from the audience. this is great. is there any viable movement in any middle eastern country with a realistic chance of creating a non-theocratic democracy? >> there are movements but they are such a minority that they get swallowed by the islamists eventually. like, for instance, when the revolution happened in egypt in 2011, it was started by students but these students were in the thousands. egypt is 80 million. the minute the revolution happened and succeeded, they got the vote and muslim brotherhood won. same thing in gaza. they go vote. they vote in hamas. because the majority of people they, that is all they know. that is although know is islam. because you're living in a system that that forbids anybody from even looking at the bible. if you go to saudi arabia, they catch a bible in your hand and your luggage they will confiscate it. so we're living as muslims in the muslim world unable to know there is any god other than allah. a

it's one where muslim communities are leading the fight against poverty, one where muslim communities are providing basic care and emergency assistance on the front lines of some of our most devastating humanitarian crises. and it is one where muslim communities are advocating the universal humidity rights and fundamental freedoms, including the most basic freedom to practice one's faith openly. america's communities and mug muslims are sources of strength for all of us. they are an essential part of our fabric and we are committed to deepening our partnerships with them. we are making these efforts to unite religious communitys a core mission here at the state department. that's what shaarik is leading as our special representative to muslim communities. that's what our foreman is leading to monitor and combat and that's what david is leading when confirmed, he will be our new ambassador at large for international religious freedom. and that's what my friend shawn casey is doing in his special job in order to have a faith -- interfaith office here at the state department itself. peop

i was not born into a muslim family. i did not grow up in a muslim neighborhood. but my society transmitted elements of islamic teachings to me that enabled me to become a muslim. but the society is also, as dr. jackson mentioned and implied, is translating a whole lot of things to us that could be categorized as distinctly unislamic. and then of course there's a gray area where we don't know if the things society is transmitting to us are distinctly islamic or unislamic. this is something that's applied by our prophet when he said, those things that are distinctly lawful are clear. and those things that are clearly unlawful, those things are clear. [ speaking foreign language ] and between those two extremes, if you will, are gray areas, doubtful matters. most people do not know the ruling concerning those. this is the role of scholars. so to go back to the question, i think sometimes we lack either the prop experience or the proper input from school lores to determine where a lot of those gray things in that gray area fall. and that's where a lot of experimentat

non-muslims have about the muslim community? think it is fair to say readership. said these have communities are run by extremists. in our community, we complain about the various self-appointed. in a sentenceis to do with anything else. britain is a big, and criticism, the community lacks leaders bad leadership. we don't have people speaking on our behalf. researcher i was a for a tv company. my boss said, go out. your job, muslim guy in the office, your job is to get some good muslim leaders to come on and talk about terrorism. people who speak really good english and are really dynamic. i said, they don't exist. where i'm i supposed to find one? this is britain, 2001. if you look what is happening now, i think there are massive signs of positivity. i am not the leader of anything. my leader is my wife. [applause] i am the last person to lead anything. very disorganized. if there is a fire, don't follow me. , i wouldee, however say, look at these three people on stage. i go to muslim conferences across america. i am absolutely

i am a muslim. i look at the life that god prescribed for us through the koran and the life that god sets as an example and extract those principles that will influence everyone's day and life. when i think about the muslim community in many instances i see a group of people who are culturally tied to a religion that has no bearing on culture at all. we are misinformed, not full be educated about the better ways that i like to look at the profit mohammed thinking of the word uswa, the way, it doesn't look the same, it doesn't have the same characteristics of what type of clothing or language or talk or cultural habit, it has a way of getting to truth, getting to the heart of the matter. a way of seeing the problem to seeing the solution to a problem. so the profit mohammad also touched the life of muhammad ali. raise your hand if you know muhammad ali. i have been to eight different muslim countries, nine actually and every time i arrive at the airport i get the question after is a see my passport w

guest: is her talking points of anti-muslim groups. are talking points of anti-muslim groups.ortunately, people who spend way too much time on the internet believe everything they see from these groups. these are talking points we hear too often. it is divisive and destructive. that leads to hate crimes and hate speech against minorities in america. they alsotroy -- destroy our pluralism, they destroy the sense of what america is. that is bringing many people together to for one society to deal with growing problems like isis. what this woman is saying about the koran, i know the quran. i am a muslim. no one needs to tell me what it says or what my religion is. the religion is not talking about beheading or lying. it is amazing we have to defend ourselves when people say we are lying. this is one of the talking points for many anti-muslim buckets -- bigots in america. they say you don't condemn terrorism. when they hear you condemn terrorism, they say you're lying. there is no way out of that situation, so we have to ignore that kind of nonsense, that kind of fascism. we are s

i'm not saying the muslims.amists. >> that distinguishes you from ayaan hirsi ali. >> that's fine. >> i'm not defending that -- >> her right to offer her views. >> likewise. i'm so glad rich invited her. >> no, you're not. you're being sarcastic. >> i'm not. >> when you undergo genital mutilation you may have a thing or two to say about it. >> i'm not lying, i'm glad they invited her. >> you're glad that they invited her, then you said that you were not glad. >> no come on. >> then you said she shouldn't be given the forum. yes, you did. >> the bottom line for us is as muslims who are seeking to reform muslims we agree absolutely on near everything in the statement on the need for reforming the muslim action around the world. when she talks about the oppression of women, when she talks about shariah and jihad, we're right there. not just lately, for 125 years the community under the leadership of our spiritual leader -- >> i'm not questioning you. >> that's what i'm saying, the only thing i take exception with h

it's really quite risky, quite scary for people, especially muslim activists and lawyers, to provide aid to people accused by the government of materially supporting terrorism, to provide legal networks, financing for them, a support network and infrastructure so the u.s. government's goal of disappearing them, having us forget they even exist. the two organizations who have sponsored this event tonight our organizations i have really come to know very well over the past year. they're doing brave and important work. without them, many of the people targeted by the u.s. government would have no defenses. one of the things i think about quite a bit and i debate with myself quite a bit about and go back and forth on is when i think about these issues of civil liberties, abuses, the like. whether or not there is really anything unique about the way in which primarily muslim americans and others in the united states have been targeted with this kind of persecution. as alluded to earlier tonight, the history of the united states is one that has a continuous stream of minority groups who ha

you said in muslim countries.ld you that indonesia women are absolutely 100% equal to men. in turkey they have had more female representatives, more female heads of state in turkey than we have in the united states. >> yes, but in pakistan -- >> stop saying things like muslim countries -- >> in pakistan women are still being stoned to death. >> and that's a problem for pakistan. >> so in other words, you -- i just want to be clear on what your point is because i thought you and bill maher were saying the same thing. your point is that muslim countries are not to blame. there is nothing particular, there's no common thread in muslim countries, you can't paint with a broad brush that somehow their justice system or sharia law or what they're doing in terms of stoning and female mutilation is different than in other countries like western countries? >> stoning and mutilation and those barbaric practices should be condemned and criticized by everyo everyone. the actions of individuals and societies and countries like

it shows the few french muslims drawn to jihadist movements that they are hijacking the muslim faith and it shuts off people from the right who wants to associate ist with radical islam. >> clearly, this is far more realistic approach from muslims here in france. >> other papers are critical of the fact that the muslim community has to come out and condemn this. it is absurd to ask muslims to condemn and publicly distance themselves from the barbarity of the islamic state group that has nothing to do with their faith. they say do not mean mistaken about what is happening here. the logic behind it is islam aic phobia. if they don't lash out publicly against this atrocity, they are suspected of making allowances for fanatics. that is crazy in asking muslims to publicly disown radical islam is at -- is like asking handicapped people to disown oscar pistorius or pop stars to diss own miley cyrus. it is a very different view on the condemnation. >> let's see with the british press are saying. the big vote in the u.k. regarding whether britain joins in or not. >> most papers assume it is a

the muslim isn't the terrorist.isn't the person bombing the thing, but it's the one calling the fbi to say the other is the terrorist. so that's great, but it's not great because the only way we can understand or see a muslim is in the context of this idea that they are a good muslim in comparison to the bad one. right? and so muslims, i think, we want these good representations or cultural representations that are better, but i think we have to sort of -- basically, we have to crush the pipe dream that if we act better, if we look more peaceful, that the people who don't like us will like us. and i think from that measure, we learn from the black experience. african-americans have learned that respectability politics, you can be a harvard university professor and still profiled by the police. they will still shoot you, leave you in the street, and then call your community animals because they stand up for your life. so these things will continue to happen. so it's not about sort of replacing one overly simplified n

majority muslim nations where the victims are often muslim too. the taliban, isis, and boko haram are ranked as the three bloodiest groups. al qaeda became a household name in september 2001 by perpetrating violence they say is rooted in their faith. september 2013, the somali terror group al shabaab, an affiliate of al qaeda takes center stage with the kenyan mall massacre. and earlier this year, boko haram created global outrage with the kidnapping of more than 200 school girls in western africa. one of the questions that people just can't wrap their head around is that something that is based in religion in the name of god does such violent things. >> islam is being leveraged and utilized by these organizations in order to gain the end state that they want. and that end state is described in islamic terms. it's derived from medieval islamic ideology. most of the rest of the muslim world has moved well beyond that. so we should not vilify the muslim world. the muslim world is the best chance of defeating global jihadist groups like al qaeda or t

confuse islam and muslim, you cannot judge the religion of islam by the act of muslims. muslims are people who try to practice maybe 50, 60 or even 20%. some have even 0%. some people have a different way and different idealist -- >> you live on 9 6th street? >> yes. >> i'm very familiar with the mosque up there. i was a detective up there. >> oh, yeah. >> thank you, guys. appreciate it. coming up right here "hannity". >> sheikh bin bayyah, there -- >> president obama talking about this man, a radical muslim sheikh who supported a fatwa. when we come back, the one and only charles krauthammer responds. how much money do you have in your pocket right now? i have $40, $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don't think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. ♪ we know in the cyber world, threats are always evolving. at first, we were protecting networks. then, we were protecting the

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if they're not muslim, why do they implement sharia law? if they're not islamic, why do they call themselves an islamic state? by the way, mr. president, what is the common denominator of these groups? i know the truth is hard for you. the fact that you say the majority of victims are muslims is irrelevant. moderate muslims are not extreme enough for these terrorists, e die. if the terrorists are not muslims, why did a whole city of 1 million christians run for their lives? if they're not muslims, why do we give them korans when we imprison them? with all due respect, seeing that you can't figure out your own country's first amendment, who are you to say what is muslim and what isn't? and that's my open. dennis ross, all right, good evening, ambassador. new footage by these isis militants claiming the murder of david haines. your reaction? >> look, they said they would do this. we know who they are. they seek to engage in these kind of outrages because it is their way of demonstrating their kind of power. they hope or think this is somehow

nome muslim, not only islamist, muslim males. is it okay to say it's time to start profiling muslim males? i say, yes, it is. >> yeah. i mean, i don't think we can actually use that as a fully effective tool, because i was down in the buildings in 9/11 also down in new york, one of those folks down there and we have to start using all of the tools we talked about in the 9/11 report. and that is building a profile that isn't just going after these men. we've seen this now nome in the u.s. but over with isil, they're recruiting women. we really have a problem here for the hearts and minds of people. this is a war like we've had before, whether with communism or anarchy in the last century. we need to focus on what is really the issue and as jonathan said, it's not about going after the color of someone's skin or whether someone has dark hair or looks swarthy or -- there's things they look for in terms of a profile that need to be addressed. >> ideology. >> allow me to get michelle in here. look, people say this is crazy talk. you c

non-muslim lands.so this fits their utopian fantasy of it is like a pop-up tent. they think if we establish it, we'll all live happily ever after. >> fascinating to hear, from, from one of these women that, that same woman in raqqa is reacting to in her family, it, to her family back home apparently. getting upset with her. listen to this. reminiscent of families trying to get their children in the u.s. out of cults. is there anything that family members can say that is convincing to their relatives who have been radicalized to get through to them? david? >> that is a great question. it's extraordinarily hard when somebody is actually in a situation like that. some one in a place like raqqa or the taliban's afghanistan. usually the family is at a great disadvantage. one famous cell phone video taken. of a young man of tunisian origin, had gone to fight in syria. as he was flying through turkey his family tracked him down in the airport. and his family surrounded him. his sister, mother. they were cryin

and muslim majority questions -- muslim majority countries as well. from malaysia to argentina with muslims matter to us. it matters very probably because as people asking these questions as i said, the vacuum is being filled by narratives that come from extremist. that doesn't leave women out of the picture. these are digital natives, connected with the push of the finger on the smartphone. they're getting i guess that are bouncing around the world. what did i see? i begin to see a change in the way this generation of young muslim women into think about themselves, think about the role. so using a two-pronged thing. one, you can absolutely use women come and you should, to stop the stem of radicalization come to understand what's happening in the homes. the other point is we begin to see women getting radicalized. >> that was my question. if i could for a second, there's an irony there i think that many of these groups that place women in anything but high in the level of authority and power. however, you were saying isil and some of these other grou

to protect muslim countries against global warming. my question is are they not getting how dangerous this threat is? there are some that liken this to 1938. would you liken this to 1938, the rise of radical islam? >> well, certainly somewhere in the 1930s. but look, john kerry doesn't know anything about any religion. he's a member of this pox si elite that doesn't take religion seriously. he's trying to convince me he's read the quran, which i have by the way. i doubt he's read the bible all the way through. one of the fundamental problems we have is these people, these insiders who went to the right prep school and the ivy league universities and social insiders all their lives are governing elite of both parties to a degree. they don't understand the power of faith. i mean, even if islamic state -- if a terrorist were broke, which they were originally, they would have this passion. and what has been driving them, what has let them roll over the iraqi army that didn't have any passion, didn't have any beliefs, is this power, this fo

as a devoted muslim, i looked at the world differently and the muslim countries led me and these people to hate the west and the western views and the western democracy on where it lies. what you saw there was sincerity from my heart. i am looking at these people and at that time it was empty barrels but many are active now and fighting in syria. >> many in the video are fighting with isis in syria and iraq and perhaps involved with atrocities there and the mindset carried them in that trajectory. your story ended up differently obviously. let's go back in your story. you group in denmark, right? you had a troubled childhood, got involved in biker gangs. tell us how you discovered islam. what happened there? >> i felt that i was a young troubled young man with no direction in my life. i didn't have parents to guide me throughout difficult times or good times. so the only thing i felt a necessity to was to belong to something. and the motorcycle club was one of the reasons or things you can belong to. i then later discovered that it wasn't what i wanted to do with my life. i was -- i sta

confuse islam and muslim, you cannot judge the religion of islam by the act of muslims.50, 60 or even 20%. some have even 0%. some people have a different way and different idealist -- >> you live on 9 6th street? >> yes. >> i'm very familiar with the mosque up there. i was a detective up there. >> oh, yeah. >> thank you, guys. appreciate it. coming up right here "hannity". >> sheikh bin bayyah, there -- >> president obama talking about this man, a radical muslim sheikh who supported a fatwa. when we come back, the one and only charles krauthammer responds. at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in with premium service like one of the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises. if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere? or if light could seek out the dark? what would happen if that happens? anything. an unprecedented program arting busithat partners businesses with universities across the state. for better access to ta

what about the muslim culture as it pertains to immigrant muslims? where is the balance and what is the place in islam? [ speaking foreign language ] >> i want to start off by saying first of all, that's not quite the question i remember receiving but i'll try to respond to it to the best of my ability. i think this is a very complex question and i'm trying to sort of read between the lines so that i can get at what i think is actually being offered. and perhaps one of the best ways of doing that is to pick up on something that dr. khabeer said. and that is that we are muslims. and before we're muslims, we're human beings. and as human beings, there is nothing more natural than cultural production. human beings are naturally cultural producers. and we may draw some instruction in this regard from something that the prophet said. the prophet says that the most truthful -- not the best, but the most truthful names for a human being are two. one is the one who's constantly toiling. human beings toil. they work. they occupy themselves with production. th

imagine now you are a sunni muslim. you do not support isis but you still feel very strongly that assad is evil and has committed war crimes. there is no way you can just let this man and this regime off the one without alienating billion sunni muslims in the process. people feel very strongly about this. i have moderate sunni muslim fans who say if we get -- friends who say you are looking at moderates putting on suicide bombs. that's how strongly people feel about this. this reputation that we sometimes have for just adapting convenient that fellows is a dangerous, dangerous line to walk. everyone thinks isis comes from nowhere and that's the perception among a lot of people. we used to, isis al qaeda and iraq. assad had a lot to do with allowing al qaeda in iraq to flourish. he wanted to tie down the americans because he was worried they were going to come for him next. run byere safe houses syrian intelligence to help the foreign fighters come into joint al qaeda to find the americans. theou have just not seeing lev

some muslims have. no one's trying to condemn all muslims. but to argue that the islamic state is not islamic and that there isn't this radical faction which is significant within islam is to deny reality. >> well, statistically there's no more criminals from within the muslim faith and terrorists within the muslim faith throughout history. let's not forget andrews -- slaughtered some 80 children. in the name of protecting western christian identity. the crusaders said whoever kill in -- >> but it's not. you look at egypt, an ally to the united states or at least it was. the administration's been on the fence about that. but 84% there, 84% favor the death penalty for leaving islam. 82% favor stoning for adultery. it doesn't seem like the most moderate religion when sharia law comes into the picture. and this group takes that to an extra extreme. to an ult tra extreme. and they do it in the name of islam. >> and we publicly denounce them. i'm not familiar with those statistics. >> it's true. that's from the pugh polling center. >> i can't comm

if they're not muslim, why do they implement sharia law? if they're not islamic, why do they call themselves an islamic state? by the way, mr. president, what is the common denominator of these groups? i know the truth is hard for you. the fact that you say the majority of victims are muslims is irrelevant. moderate muslims are not extreme enough for these terrorists, e die. if the terrorists are not muslims, why did a whole city of 1 million christians run for their lives? if they're not muslims, why do we give them korans when we imprison them? with all due respect, seeing that you can't figure out your own country's first amendment, who are you to say what is muslim and what isn't? and that's my open. dennis ross, all right, good evening, ambassador. new footage by these isis militants claiming the murder of david haines. your reaction? >> look, they said they would do this. we know who they are. they seek to engage in these kind of outrages because it is their way of demonstrating their kind of power. they hope or think this is somehow

first is that there has been several muslim groups, muslim organizations.like the oic, the general secretary who had condemned isis -- well, so the biggest issue right now is even though you have organizations like the oic, like turkey's top cleric, all of the arab league, even though you have all these people condemning, you're right. not enough is being done. that's why i agree with you. not enough is being done. they need actual taxs. >> who would they listen to? who would this terror group listen to? >> they're not going to listen to anyone. which is why we look at the quran, the holy quran, our muslim scripture commands muslims that it's their responsibility to rise up and stop groups like isis who cause chaos and -- >> so is the answer to bomb them? is that the answer then we have to bomb them? >> no. i think any rational person will say that the history of the world has shown that bombing and violence it does not solve any of these issues. it just leads to more violence. >> going to talk to them? >> what's happening right now is not incubated. this i

extremism prevention is discussed in the british media it's usually in the context of young british muslims travelling to syria getting radicalized there and then becoming a security risk once they decide to come back home and that strikes me as a bit selfish because if they were just to stay in syria and five and unfriendly government of let's say bashar assad then radicalization is not really a problem i mean in fact the more radicalized there are the more likely they are to achieve these regime change goal and it's only when they want to come hong the british government sees it's as problematic does. approach strike you as a bit self-centered it's a good question but it's a very very complex and difficult one to answer in that sense i can i can fully appreciate the fact that it's way when we got young muslims traveling abroad for humanitarian purposes and helping out to alleviate the suffering of innocent women and children but another thing is getting involved in a jihad which is ok fair enough they want to go and hope. you know remove assad or the syrian free army or the rebels but thr

destroying muslim history in many cases. it's not just orally and passing it on but to the destruction of artifacts and the destruction of antiquities and profiting from the sale of those to help fuel their cause but in the process they are destroying it and creating a new narrative of their own. it's not historical and not historical in its nontraditional and is not religious. we touched on that and as we go forward i think that's something we should put greater emphasis on than i want to thank our two witnesses were touching on those things today in their testimonies. >> thank you mr. keating. mr. yoho. >> thank you mr. chairman. thank you both. as we were talking about, and i'm sure you've read the book by samuel huntington the class of civilizations talking about the majority of the conflict in the world is muslim to muslim but they come together and we become a common enemy. how much of the growth of radicalism comes from the hatred of the west ideals of freedom versus the western foreign-policy or are they connected in

and some guy there is supporting the muslim. >> in mecca where non-muslims are not even allowed in the parts of the city. right there, we don't have that example in other religions. they do behead people. now if they were beheading people in vatican city which isf the equivalent of mecca, don't you think there would be a bigger outcry about it. so this is the soft bigotry and they do crazy things it's not talked about near e as much. >> rose: would you come to the table and debate this with a moderate muslim. >> find one, yes. >> rose: i promise you i'll find one. >> find a muslim -- >> rose: i do believe what we see with isis is not representative of -- >> as i said connecting tissue. no. >> rose: of the islamic religion. the koran doesn't teach them to do that. >> the koran has absolutely on every page stuff that's horrible about how the infidels should be treated. but for example again isis says that we should, they should perform genital not mice on all i'm 11-46. would muslims believe in that no or carry it out, no. can you really say women are treated equally in the muslim world.

>> yeah. >> we know the muslims.his is jihad against everyone who doesn't believe in -- >> it would be nice if we could get even more support from the uk, but this is what happens when you cut your military funding.  gets beheaded? then do they sigh we support the united states, not only do we support you, we're in this with you? >> that would help. >> if you keep looking for someone else to do the job, get out. and we got out. >> i think the domestic political situation in britain is not like france in terms of the infiltration and the immigration they left unchecked for a long time. now they have terrorist cells all throughout the country and their intel community is very, very good. their cooperation with their law enforcement is good. but i think that makes it harder for him. i think i understand why from a political stand point, they're not muslims, they're monsters, because one they're trying to build a coalition of arab states to help them fight isis and also they have a political situation, all those local c

not all muslims are bad.the extremists i think improperly be characterized as islamist which to me means someone who believes that islam should be imposed on others and not just islam but their version of islam should be imposed on others, including another muslims. but, unfortunately, as i'm not sure that word works. i got lectured once by pakistani that i was being an anti-muslim because i talk about the threat from islamist ideology. i think it is a threat. i think we need to understand it. it's a threat, a country with the largest most -- that's indonesia. where if you go to a muslim 40 school and they're quite simple institutions, usually very basic, you find one with a three-story dormitory at a fancy gymnasium. teaching wahhabi ideology. for many years it seems to me we followed a policy of the lesser evil. that seems to be terrorist, particularly in catholic saudi arabia and egypt ever seen to be creatures of u.s. policy. but with all its failings we would be much worse off if saudi arabia fell into t

of what about the muslim culture as it pertains to immigrant muslims? what is the place? >> speaking speaking language [speaking native language] >> this is a complex question and trying to read between the lines and one of the best ways to do that is to pick upon the doctor said that we are muslims and before we are muslims we're human beings. there is a more natural than cultural production. they are naturally producers we may draw from instructions but the profit said is the of collection to where the profit says the most stressful not the best but the most truthful names are to. one is constantly toiling the occupied as those of production and the other is anxious and cultural production in some ways is really about taking that edge of the of the cosmic anxious is that we feel as human beings this is why the german philosopher once said it is that cosmic year where do we come from? why are we here where we going? that is the mother of all culture and all human being on terms of the whole enterprise i don't think that is our problem because we are just as human as anyb