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with us for more is mini timmaraju, president of naral, the oldest abortion rights organization in thetion. mini, thanks for being here. one thing i want to be clear about -- with all these women in south carolina, including one federal representative from they are and the people in nebraska, nobody is claiming to be a liberal. nobody is claiming to be a progressive. these people are not with conservative credentials saying various things. there are different accusations, and some of them are that this is overreach, this is control over, women and a lack of understanding of the basic issues. some conservatives are just saying, can we not be leaning into this topic because there are other things that people care about and we are becoming this weird, anti-abortion, draconian party. i loved your evaluation. what is happening? why are some of these abortion bans being stopped in their tracks by republicans? >> so first, i want to give credit where credit is due. with the remarkable activists on the ground in those states. often we look at red states and think that they are impossible, but

joining me now are the president of the naral pro choice america and lisa reuben, msnbc legal analyst. lisa, i want you to go through this decision with me, because and i think ari talked about it in the previous hour what i read here is something that reads like shade. this decision talking about in recent cases the court has been lambasted for staying a district court order based on the scanty review this court gives matters on its shadow docket this opening with lots of criticism of people who have been critical of the court, is that normal? and what do you make of it >> this is a court that isn't getting along particularly well, joy, so you're asking me, is this normal? it hasn't been normal up through the trump presidency, and yet, we now have nine justices that are largely at each other's throats and defying the collegiality that has defined the supreme court. but you're right to say justice alito is indeed casting shade and criticizing folks like justice kagan who have been critical of the court for mapping on its policy preferences to a number of different things through decis

all across the country joining me now is nbc legal analyst lisa reuben, along with the president of naral pro choice america we are waiting for them right now, but i want to let you know we're following both of these two stories so we will have the speech that we know vice president kamala harris gave at this university in tennessee, that was happening while we were waiting to come on the air, and this ruling came down just a moment ago let me tell you a little bit about this judge in his writings, matthew kacsmaryk out of texas has described being transgender as a mental disorder. he's called homosexuality disordered he has had sexual revolutionaries have made the unborn child and marriage secondary tothe desires of liberated adults he sided with a christian father that anyone under the age of 18 in the state of texas needs approval by their parent before getting birth control. he is a university of texas law school graduate who has focused his attention on the legal foundations for aborgtion right. he attended federalist society meetings along with representative chip roy of texas, who

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and so you're going to continue to see groups like planned parenthood, like naral, there reproductivester song, so many actually speak directly to their base, rile them up, and figure out what is our day-to-day strategy, our electoral strategy i'm not just talking 2024. we're talking the local races, the supreme court race that was in wisconsin that was just decided, thankfully, on tuesday. and they're going to have a broader conversation culturally of how do we get the will of the people to actually match the decisions of the leaders that are in office. one quick thing about kaczmarek. this decision is in texas and it impacts nationally as we're all talking about this the thing that the supreme court said in the dobbs decision is we're sending this decision back to the states. this is a national decision. and this goes towards the republicans' motive to have a national abortion ban, and they're trying their hardest to get closer to that >> lisa, when we look at the people who are potentially going to be fighting back against this, who is sort of, i guess, the main government spokespe

how fa of step out they are one election's come around what more can you say about th road ahead for naral >> the first thing that is important to remember fo everyone tracking this case is that we cannot, as a movement, as a country as people who car about one another, continue to live court order to cour order. the reporter just mentioned, may 17th it's like sort of i the reproductive right movement for providers, fo patients, that every few weeks we have this looming decisio that's going to tell us once again, are we allowed to patro are only not bodies or not and we know that the vas majority of americans, eight i ten, believe in the right to choose and access abortion care we know that even 51% of republicans agree with us. so not only is the court in th republican party out of step with the vast majority of, american's they're out of step with the people who put them i office >> so we talk about what we, know the question is what ca actually be done states are continuing to wan to enact restrictions in their state, specifically you've got several blue states as well as quote we just

discuss is msnbc legal analyst and former u.s attorney joyce vance, and mini timmaraju president of naralhoice america welcome to you both. this is a very interesting moment, joyce. this fight is hitting back t the fifth circuit. what should be looking out for this time? >> i don't share the optimisti take that other people hav expressed. i suspect that the reason that this stays in place is because a number of conservative justices, the same people wh refused to stay measures lik -- in texas held their noses and implemented this state to avoi a pending the entire fda approval process that may or may not bode wel for where this litigatio ultimately ends up the fifth circuit will now consider the entirety of judge kacsmaryk's ruling and particularly they ar likely to focus on his decisio that the fda had inadequat information and approved a unsafe drug. you know, too many of us tha seems like a bizarre ruling fo a panel of judges to undertake it is a matter of medica expertise. and fda discretion, but that i the next decision that the fifth circuit will make. this litigation, as it progres

as part of our breaking coverage, i want to bring in angela from naral pro choice america.ri, it really is striking how low the bar is now for the supreme court of the united states. what they did today was what you would expect from any normal functioning uncorruptible court, and yet here we are feeling relieved and frankly shocked that they actually did the simple and right thing >> yeah. and you know, to be completely transparent, i'm listening to you and also looking over just a few pages here and you're echoing a point michelle goldberg made, which is that you don't expect the supreme court and under the way it's taught and the rules, it's not supposed to use this middle procedural landscape to upend rights or precedent. they're not doing that, you both said it's not that remarkable, it's how it should be if you're not sort of a cynic or a skeptic about this court with that in mind, i wanted to mention -- >> just to be clear, just to be clear, i am a cynic and a skeptic about this court and even being a cynic and a skeptic, i was shocked when they allowed the sba, the

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