unlike mcveigh, nichols cooperates with authorities.e's not the john doe number 2 they're looking for, but he provides enough information to implicate mcveigh as the architect of the bombing plot. later in the day, back in perry, fbi agents prepare to take mcveigh out of the noble county courthouse. it will be the first time the world gets a look at the oklahoma city bomber. >> i don't think anyone who was alive at that time in america will ever forget the sight of timothy mcveigh being led out of the courthouse in that orange jumpsuit. >> the thing that i think stuck with every single person who saw this one snippet of video coverage was mcveigh walking out of that building, refusing to look down, and, you know, with 1,000-yard stare. >> there were steps leading out of the courthouse. i had to concentrate on where those steps would be without dipping my head down and looking down because people would take dipping my head down as a sign of defeat or something. and i'm in leg chains, and leg chains if you've ever walked down the stair if

and in particular, the fundamental change in american military structure brought by the goldwater nichols act of 1986. before that, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff was -- before that the members of the chief of staff voted, and the chairman -- and it was basically a coalition builder. he couldn't speak out unless anybody agreed. we had a ballot system within the military, and the military members, the joint chiefs, were mostly interested in more bombers, more of the -- one technique -- more soldiers, more battleships, and that's what they were going around in 1986, with goldwater-nichols. the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, for the first time in american history, and for the first time certainly within the period where we have had a big army -- began to speak for the military as a sing -- in a single voice. powell -- colin powell was the first chairman of the joint chiefs of staff who exploited -- who saw this opportunity and really took advantage of it in. in 1992 he wrote an op-ed lecturing bill clinton. you shouldn't invade boss -- bosnia, et cetera, et cetera. forget

and in particular the fundamental change in american military structure brought by the goldwater-nichols act of 1986. before that the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff was -- before that, the members of the chief of staff voted and the chairman was basically a coalition-builder. he couldn't speak out unless everybody agreed. we had as it were a check and balance system within the military. and the military members of the joint chiefs were mostly interested in more bombers. more -- more soldiers. more battleships. and that's really what jostling around. and the chairman joint chiefs of staff for the first time in american history and for the first time certainly within the period where we had a big army began to speak for the military. ... president of the you of the united states what the military strategies are. >> i entirely agree with your description of what -- >> -- mcchrystal's peach, word for word, because that really isn't what he did in my view. >> well, -- >> it was in the q & a period and it was a general question between a rating approach to a complex problem in afghanist

>> well, it is a -- a perennial seam in our acquisition system that goes back now to goldwater nichols0 years or. as everybody in this audience knows, that in the main -- goldwater nichols decreed that we shall fight jointly, but you are right, that we still in the main, still acquire severally, and so joint acquisition has always been a challenge and it's a challenge in the wars. as well. in all the ways you might imagine. if there are inherently joint capabilities, that is, things that everybody needs, like some of the counter-i.e.d. enablers, all the services that are present there, that have installations there, that have personnel there, need some of the eod equipment, and it makes sense for us to buy them in one lot. that's why we have organizations like the joint i.e.d. defeat organization, as jay suggests, it's joint, -- as the j suggests, it's joint and it buys equipment for all the services. we also have to have different services take the lead for equipment that go to other services, so when joint urgent operational needs statement comes in, what's the j in juon mean, it mea

>> well, it is a perennial seem in our acquisition system that goes back now to goldwater-nichols, 30 years or so. as everybody in this audience knows, that in the main -- goldwater-nichols degree was that we shall fight jointly, but you're right that we still in the main, still acquire severally. so joint acquisition is always been a challenge and it's a challenge in the wars as well. and all the ways you might imagine, if there are inherent only joint capabilities, that is, things that everybody needs, like some of the counter ied enablers, all the services that are present there that have installation to their that have personnel there, need some of the d.o.d. equipment. and it makes sense for us to buy them in one lot. that's why we have organizations like jieddo, the joint ied, and it buys equipment for all the services. we also have to have different services take the lead for equipment that go to other services. so when a juon comes in, joint urgent operational need, it means that an army unit need some air force support. and air force needs to resources that support, and they

my model for that is goldwater-nichols. it's been mentioned a couple times this winter for those of you who may not be similar, the department of defense created after world war ii by the national surgery act of 1947 as amended, we debated it. we thought about it for years but i was a product of that environment. my service in the penn state navy, if i taken a tour outside the navy i would have been feels like for the next promotion consideration. that was the way the process was disappointed i was there for the debate. is a right, is it wrong? every service chief, every service secretary testified under oath, we pass this bill, it will ruin the united states department of defense. it was passed in 1986, signed by president reagan. we had a dustup called desert shield. every service chief in every service secretary since goldwater-nichols has said it's the best thing that's happened to the united states military. it was a radical transformation. now, here's my premise. a bureaucracy was established in any bureaucracy, you p

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was finger principle evidence and also witness statements that we heard from attorney general peaer nichols exonerated this young man. he did have a warrant outstanding. that was brought him initially into the system and perhaps why he was initially arrested. again, as we heard from attorney general peter nichols subsequent witness statement and finger prip evidence which he would not elaborate on led to this man -- young man being released and also exonerated. authorities wouldn't make sure that was made public because in the fear of retribution he be had been involved and fear of retribution he was a witness. now, another development in this case. earlier today, we heard from police chief lanier that three search warrants were executed on chesapeake street. not far from the scene of that shooting. two people were arrested. here's the police chief talking about that. >> i will say as of today, three additional arrest warrants were issued and two of those three individuals are now in our custody. and we are very actively seeking a third individual. i am not going to release the name of the

>> after camping in his car outside the compound for a few days, mcvay drives to terry nichols car inigan. >> in less than an hour, the compound was destroyed in a raging inferno. >> on april 19th, 1993, mcvay and nichols watched the violent end of the waco siege on television. >> watching flames lick out windows, and watching tanks ram walls. my eyes just welled up in tears and tears started coming down my cheeks. just stood there in stunned silence. what is this? what has america become? i remember that scene. it burned into my memory. i'm emotional right now as i talk about it. i felt absolute rage. >> tim saw this as an act of war against the people. >> it was the bully again. this time the horns were on the head of the federal government. >> the rules of engagement, if not written down, are defined by the accesses of an aggressor. okay? now, what rules of engagement would you interpret in examining waco? kids are fair game? women are fair game? >> i think that that was the final moment for mcveigh, and he says so himself, right? after waco, now is the time for action, right? now

in understanding how goldwater-nichols worked there.inue to believe that the joint command idea, the orchestra conductor idea was a simpler way to leverage the straints of a number of agencies. it's not just the cia-dni relationship. we were very mindful and i am mindful since my district makes most of this from our office that hopefully will never be able to be produced anyone else on the planet. but leveraging those assets that so everybody wins. not just an agency has ownership over them and can use it for that agency's agenda of it is a big piece of what we had in mind. i think on balance our concept is fine. 50% law, 50% leadership. i would hope going forward that it would be implemented by the dni and future that is to not business a big pure carrot si that competes with the pieces of the of the -- which competes with what the responsibilities of the dni are, but to have something lean and nibble. we had thought the dms staff would be adequate. obviously that hasn't been adequate. not to build big new buildings, but sit as orchest

and right now, we have jeanine nichols joining us live. she's a shopper going to cash in on this rebate. you're out here bright and early. the store opens at 6:00 a.m., you're ready to go. >> i was here at 5:15. i wanted to beat the crowd, i think i did. >> reporter: you did. early bird gets the worm. what are you shopping for? >> a front-loading washing machine. my washer broke a few weeks ago. it stopped working. i'm really here because i need a new washing machine, but it's good timing because of the incentives. >> reporter: what do you think about them offering the cash for appliances rebate program? >> works for me. the $50 rebate from bge and the federal incentive, i think it's $100 for whatever uh, the appliances that work in that program. it's great, it's wonderful. plus i'll be saving money with the new appliance. so... it's great. >> reporter: thank you so much, janine, for talking to us. that was great. let me tell you about those appliances. take a look at your screen. maryland will offer a $300 rebate for energy star qualified

. >> reporter: mcveigh's accomplice terry nicholls nichols was convicted on federal and state bomb-relatedes. he's serving multiple bomb sentences at a federal prison in colorado. the plot unraveled almost immediately when mcveigh was stopped a few hours after the bombing because his car had no license plate. the state trooper who made the arrest, charlie hanger, now is a county sheriff. he led a moment of silence today. >> we come here to remember those who were killed, those who survived, and those changed forever. may all who leave here know the impact of violence . may this memorial offer comfort , strength, peace, hope , answerenity. please join me in 168 seconds of silence. >> reporter: as they do every year, relatives read the roll call of the dead. >> my grandpa, . >> my mother, rescue worker rebecca needham anderson. >> my brother, captain randolph . >> my sister robin and baby . >> reporter: the oklahoma city bombing still stands as the most destructive act of domestic terrorism in american history. the secretary of homeland security janet napolitano warned today of the need for

a lot of folks would love it if we could run all of our b nichols on solar, but we can't. we can't get there overnight. we have opportunities available to us that will bring real jobs, opportunities for america. i have to think he is looking at the broad picture and doing what he can. and we have to look at -- the glass is half full, and move forward to bring the jobs and revenue here. the energy we will need -- we have a choice. we can continue to import, and we can move forward. acting with a moving forward and all directions. moving forward in energy efficiency, investment in renewals. it will just take some time to get to that vision -- that you may have over the energy future. host: the last call for rayola dougher comes from kentucky. bob on independent line. caller: i would like to know why the congress and the president does not look at the oil companies -- they sell 75% of their product on the market, 25% comes into the country here. i have worked in about 18 foreign countries, 40 something year, 43 years, and every country that i have been in reserves and off for

>> there are difficulties transferring coldwater nichols as a model. number one, you do not decide one cabinet department. number two, and this is missed by a lot, but it is important. the department of defense is divided between combat and command and military departments. these guys train and provide. these guys operate. the intelligence community is not organized that way. nsa, cia, etc. as i suggested earlier, the only thing that seems to transfer is title 4, which is the personnel model, and i think that transfers nicely, but the rest of it does not, so we cannot simply brought it and throw it here and expected to work. one thought has come to my mind. it is related, and that is the chairman of the joint staff and so on. i have thought a lot about the relationship between the dni. i think that is the pass failed relationship. there are six big collection agencies. one is cia, but that is different by kind of organization, so that is critical. i am looking for a model but some just how that might be, and i am thinking -- that suggests how that migh

and there are references to it by chesney and nichols. a lot is based on research of historical role of government indirectly subsidizing the press and some of the ideas talked about here, are talked about in this book as well. but it did cause me to think about this issue in a much different way than i ever had before. as i said my own view has probably shifted as a result of that. i'm also, in a sense child of the '60s and '70s. when one talks about journalism, there is one word that sort of captures journalism at its best, the fear is, could this, are we, danger of losing capability of this happening again and that word, i think a out of people can guess it is watergate. that is classic example of how journalism in some respects saved the republic. if we're going to move into a situation now where the ability of investigative journalism is going to be harder and harder to maintain because of these economic problems, what are we putting at risk? and even though i'm concerned about the first amendment side and enstock exchange gelments,

i don't know if we need a goldwater-nichols for contract that i think the gansler report and looking in terms of what occurred with on a contracting was an eye-opening experience for is that it was a significant emotional event. we can never go back to those days. so it's up to ed harrington and bill phillips with the support of shape a sod and many others in congress to make sure that we never go back to those days. if we don't institutionalize this within our army we have missed an opportunity. for my three years or whatever my tenure is here, i will work hard on that and i will make sure that it doesn't fall off the gears of our army leadership. and i would also like to say that we're getting tremendous support from the army leadership. general carelli as mr. assad has mentioned a couple times, general casey, secretary of gq, was asked me and ed harrington and others to make sure we go around and we talk on track and. another point, general casey asked me to go and talk to the division commanders and assistant division commanders in north carolina about three weeks after i came ba

for those who don't know what goldwater-nichols says, it was the law that eventually created in dod join miss or joint duty and what is often referred as the color purple. i'll let mike mcconnell and others who have lived that part explain it in more detail perhaps on the panel. but here's the problem, the tension lies in that what was given to the secretary of defense, there was no secretary of intelligence in which an operational way he could execute this model of a goldwater-nichols approach. so the real questions are, is the dni able to implement information sharing, drive the innovation of foreign and domestic information, allocate intelligence expenditures against the highest future challenges of our nation and continue to enhance analytic trade craft in this model? i personally believe we can. let me digress with a little story. it's a story taken out of genesys in the bible chapter 32. and there is a would-be patriarch, not a pitcher at that time, jacob, who was about to reconcile with his brother esau. the night before, in that chapter, the story goes that a stranger shows up fo

peter nichols also said yesterday in the announcement that this was also in order to protect the teenager from any sort of retribution. yesterday we learned that two additional arrests were made. 22-year-old robert bost and 22- year-old lamar williams are facing multiple murder charges. a search warrant has been issued for a third adults suspect. in light of all this, many family members that we spoke with who lost loved ones in the shooting said they are confused and thrown off by this recent turn of events. kathy park reporting. >> investigators are looking for suspects in a violent home invasion and the dutch and in district heights that happened about 10:00 last night on atwood street. one or more armed men entered the apartment and a duck the man. they got away a black chrysler 300. that man is still missing. another person in the home sustained a head injury. >> we are tracking the latest developments from the gulf coast. eleven workers are still missing after that massive oil rig explosion. now there are new fears of a catastrophic environmental impact. the oil rig is completely su

nichols and shared a heartwarming embrace from his wife on the 18th green. -- mickelson shared a heart women embraced with his wife on the 18th green. >> -- a heart warming embrace with his wife on the 18th green. >> he said he's going to take some time off before deciding when to compete next. >> and now, your 11 insta- weather plus forecast with chief meteorologist tom tasselmyer. >> spectacular weather over the weekend continues with high temperatures above normal, dry conditions, 71 at the airport, 72 at the inner harbor. 53 for the low end the normal low is down to 41. -- 53 for the low. the normal low is down to 41. high clouds coming into central and western maryland that will keep temperatures higher overnight. 70 downtown, 68 in westminster. lows tonight will be in the 40's with a northeast wind at 5. hi, and clouds that will not pursue -- produce precipitation tonight. some rain will be tracking this way, like the cutting through our area tomorrow afternoon. showers are stretching across lake michigan. this shower activity will make a turn to the southeast and right for balti

i was there for the debate of goldwater-nichols. was it right or wrong? every secretary testified under oath that you pass the bill, it will ruin the united states department of defense. it was passed in 1986. it was signed by president reagan. we had desert shield and desert storm. every service chiefs and secretary said it was the best thing that ever happened to the u.s. military. it was a radical transformation. here is my premise. a bureaucracy, once it is established, will fight to maintain itself to the point of redefining reality in its own self-interests. that is true of any bureaucracy. without interests of oversight -- interests of oversight of forces beyond the control of the bureaucracy, the bureaucracy will refuse to change. -- without intrusive oversight or forces beyond the control of the bureaucracy, the barack receipt will refuse to change. i use my beloved navy as my model. virtually every change in the navy was forced from the outside. there's a long history there that we do note i wod like to as if you want to follow-up on that issue.

his army friend, terry nichols is serving multiple sentences in prison. >>> four federal agents wereng that raid in 1993. 76 members of the group, including leader david caresch died in a consequent fire. both blamed each other for firing the first shot. >>> the largest powerball jackpot is up this week. possibly is now played in d.c., maryland, virginia and 40 other states. >>> it's going to be another cool april evening across our region. meteorologist topper shutt on the terrace with your out and about forecast. >> if we could shake these winds it would be nicer but still can't complain. temperatures in the 60s. between 6:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m. we're looking at temperatures facial mild. may be a shade below average but lots of sunshine or clear skies and temperatures anywhere from the upper 50s to upper 60s. winds are brisk northwesterly at 10 to 15 but again they will subside after midnight. >> ready for the old county closeup. we will start out west. sunshine tomorrow, a few clouds come in late. 59 for fairfax. 70 in vienna. 70 in burke. 70s for loreton. capital hill with sunshin

the attorney general nichols charges dismissed against that 14-year-old malik carter. he was the driver of the van involved in that march 30th attack. accused of. left four young people dead in southeast washington. again, the charges have been dropped. >>> still ahead on "news4 at 5:00," thousands of computers are restarting on their own. details on the anti-virus program that mutated into a computer virus. >> we will check out some residents across our area and how they are marking this earth day. >> veronica is back with the forecast for the weekend. it is soggy. ♪ [ male announcer ] you're surrounded by fabrics all day. ♪ wouldn't softer feel better? try ultra downy. it softens fibers better than detergent alone, for a deep-down softness. and ultra downy april fresh has more than double the softening ingredients than the leading value brand's original fresh. ♪ and softer feels better. get more. feel more. >>> 40 years ago was the first earth day. today it started -- then it started as a youth-drift wren effort to learn about and take care of our planet. that effort

. >> you've got a company now, and you know we're big fans of larry nichols but you've got devon, rangeource, equitable, and ultra. these are entirely natural gas plays. unless we see it go to $4 or $5 or we see some move in wash that boone pickens has promised us by memorial day to endorse natural gas as a fuel you are going to be underperforming with devon. >> don't buy. >> painful for me to put don't buy. but i'm giving you the prarnlts and right now the parameters don't look so ahot for natural gas. just calling it as i see it. coal's got the edge right now. and i'm not talking about cole from "24" because he is a loser. let's go to honey in florida. honey. >> caller: yeah, boo-yah, jim! >> whoa! >> caller: the miami heat and the bunny energizer. >> there you go. honey, hit me. >> caller: hit you? >> like flies to honey. go ahead. >> caller: ima, inverness. >> recommended in "stay mad for life." i'm still behind it. but everyone feels, and i think there's this ennui. there's this ennui about health care companies that were supposed to do well in clinton's -- clinton. when obama's pa

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also yesterday, the head of the church in england and wales, archbishop of westminster vincent nichols apologized for the scandal. he said: "these terrible crimes, and the inadequate response by some church leaders, grieve us all." the pope has been under growing pressure to respond to hundreds of accusations of child sexual abuse by priests across europe. on sunday, in malta, the pope addressed thousands of the faithful in an open air mass. he made no mention of the scandal there. but afterwards, he met with 8 alleged victims-- all men now in their '30s and '40s. the meeting-- the first since the european scandal erupted-- was tearful. laurence grech was among the victims. >> he listened to us. you know, he told me, "i am very proud and i pray for you to have the courage to tell your story out. you know, i am very proud of you." >> warner: back in rome, at his mass on wednesday in st. peter's square, the pope addressed the controversy and seemed to promise an additional response. he spoke about his meetings in malta. >> ( translated ): after the >> ( translated ): i share their suffer

i can't answer your question that i don't know if we need a goldwater-nichols for contracting. i think the cancer report on what came out of iraq and a particular kuwait in terms of what occurred with army contracting was an eye-opening experience for us but it was a significant emotional event. we can never go back to those days. so it's up to ed harrington and bill phillips in the sport of mr. assad and many others in congress to make sure that we never go back to those days that if we don't institutionalize this within our army would've missed an opportunity. and for my three years or whatever my tenure is here, i will work hard on that and i'll make sure that it doesn't fall off the ears of our army leadership. i would also like to say that we're getting tremendous support from the army leadership. general gorelick, as mr. assad as much in a couple times. general casey, secretary mchugh, who is asked me and ed harrington and others to make sure that we go around and we talk contracting. another point, general casey asked me to go talk to the division commanders and assistan

and, in indiana, terry nichols, serving multiple life sentences, at a federal prison in colorado. for those who have gathered at the memorial in oklahoma city today they think about those they have lost and also think about those who are still with them. and, they celebrate life and appropriately so on this day, 15 years removed from the tragedy and the terrorist attack. in oklahoma city. right now, 8 minutes past the hour. as we continue now. martha: this breaking news, on this morning, we can now report the iraqi prime minister nouriel al-maliki is saying that he believes that two of al qaeda's leaders, al qaeda in iraq and you know this face, we have reported on him many times, this is the face of al-masri, and, abu ayyub al-masri, the leader of al qaeda in iraq and the reporting is from the prime minister, that he is one of two top al qaeda leaders killed by iraqi forces. according to some sorts with the help of american intelligence and there are reports out there, we have not independently confirmed, that al-masri is one of these two men, who have been killed, reportedly, by

on april 19, 1995, timothy mcvirginia and terry nichols used a truck full of explosivives to blow up the alfred p. murrah federal building in oklahoma city. most of the building's employees were at work and their children at a daycare center, killed 168 people, and wounded 850 others. the explosion was so powerful it reduced much of the building to rumble and damaged at least six adjacent buildings, including an apartment building, a church and a ymca. some of the victims of the murrah federal building were children, who were in the daycare center for building employees. mcveigh and nichols appeared to have been motivated by anti-government ideology as dozens of domestic terrorists who attacked america in 15 years subsequent to that bombing. seven emergency response crews responded to that attack after receiving a call reported at 9:03 a.m. the fire station one crew arriving first at the scene. oklahoma city police force set up a command center to set up a massive search and rescue operation. the civil air patrol, american red cross and other organizations assisted with response to t

and so in if my hierarchy it's citizen first -- you affiliate, even today with goldwater/nichols and as much as we have a joint task force and so on, people still will identify with their parent organizations, which is not a bad thing. .. blonden nonpenal goebel conversations >>> all this month, see the winners of c-span studentcam did you documentary competition. middle and high school students, 45 states submitted to use on one of the country's greatest strengths or challenge the country is facing. watch the top winning videos every morning on c-span at 6:50 eastern just before washington journal. and at 8:30 during the program meets the students who need them. for a preview of the winners, visit studentcam.org. >>> now, news corporation chairman and ceo rupert murdoch interviewed by former "meet the press" anchor and harvard professor speed. from the national press club in washington, this is one hour and 15 minutes. [applause] hello, welcome to the national press club and another addition of the kalb report and the guest tonight is rupert murdoch the subject of the making of a mo

clk their hour is approaching, they have not given definite signs, but rachel nichols maybe has someose signs. >> well, there's been a seriouss increase in trade interestncreae around the number-1 pick. pi. nearly ten times called.he with that, i'm told, there's almost no chance, a deal willalc happen.eal the gm said, as of wednesday as afternoon, not one of those ten le teams have made a specific offee that included terms. i so, unless something radicalunls happens, it will be the rams, picking sam bradford. the gm would not confirm that. but he went around the room tofa the 30 scouts and coaches, ande everyone gave their vote, and real consensus.ave their vote not concerned about whether thel pick would be ready to play. even though this team went 1-15o this pick is not going to be yes about week one or week eight.ut very focused on making the bestn decision for the long-term interest. >> no matter what stat you put up there, least points scored, 175.cored started with now injured marc bulger. if they could only score someul. points. he's gone.ut wl. maybe, sam bradford, there. so

i was there for the debate over goldwater/nichols. every test defect -- every secretary testified under oath that if you pass this bill, it would ruin this department. it was passed by ronald reagan. every service chief and every service secretary said that it was the best thing that has ever happened to the united states military. it was a radical transformation. here is my premise. the bureaucracy, once established, and the bureaucracy that you pick -- any bureaucracy that you pick will fight to maintain itself to the point every defining reality -- of redefining reality. intrusive oversight or forces beyond the control of the bureaucracy, the bureaucracy will refuse to change. that is my premise. some might agree, others might take issue. that is an older gentleman observing the issue for a long time. . . >> is your job in defense of the constitution to let the facts speak for themselves, not to twist the facts to fit some policy objective, but let the facts speak for themselves. the closest analogy we have is the director for the

called "the death and life of american journalism," and it's been reference to it by chesney and nichols and a lot of it is based on research of the historical role, government and directly subsidizing the press and some of the ideas talked about here are talked about in this book as well but it did cause me to think of this issue in a different way than i had before and as i said my own view is probably shifted as a result of that in a since the child of the 60's and 70's and when one talks about journalism there's one word that captures journalism at its best and the fear is how we in danger of losing the capability of this happening again and that word and a lot of people can guess it is watergate and that is the classic example of how journalism in some respects saved the republic. and if we are going to move into a situation now where the ability of investigative journalism is going to be harder and harder to maintain because of these economic problems what are we putting at risk and even though i am concerned about the first amendment side and the entanglement of the lesser two evi

i think that the reform, which was modeled after goldwater- nichols, we wanted to set up a command structurecross 16 agencies was to -- was designed well. the original bill was introduced by democrats on the house intelligence committee. i was then the ranking member. it had to change in order to get through congress. it was based on recommendations of the joint commission on intelligence which was a bipartisan and bicameral effort met urgent effort -- bicameral effort. it was also based on recommendations from the 9/11 commission which came after us. the joint command structure was supposed to be a flexible and nimble and -- coordinator across these agencies. coordinator is not a strong enough word. orchestra conductor is closer to what we intended. we had to make compromises to make the bill go through. you remember the opposition donald rumsfeld. the chairman of the house armed services committee, as well. we had to make compromises in order to get the bill through. in spite of that, we were courageous as struck the final compromise. we have had three dni's since then. i would say we stil

and currently in iraq and afghanistan we have brigadier general nichols another general. we have key generals in the army beside says those in strictly contracting positions today. so it's a superb performance of congress and the secretary of defense we are working aggressively to reverse the years of decline in authorized strength levels and restore the skill level of our acquisition and contracting work force to deal with the growing complexities of the business environment. the army is committed to excellence in all contracting activities. we support a programmic approach to operational contract support. we believe that service contracts are best managed at the lowest possible level especially in expeditionary operations. we support the fundamental principle of federal contracting as the contracting officer makes the award decision. the army's process provides for the centralized execution and contracting management at the point of execution within centralized oversight. we have established additional oversight and accountability for contracting mission, which while ma