john avlon, our senior political analyst and leon panetta. he soon became defense secretary and i traveled to afghanistan with him then. director, secretary panetta, let me begin with you. 25 years on the list. $25 million reward. a year after a chaotic u.s. withdrawal from afghanistan. how significant is this moment? >> i think this is a very significant moment, because in many ways, it bookends with the operation to go after bin laden. and really, i think undermines al qaeda's leadership for a long time to come. we were successful in going after bin laden. zawahiri obviously is number two, took his place, but the bottom line is that this attack going after zawahiri has made very clear that al qaeda does not have the leadership at this point in time to be able to be a threat to the united states or others. >> clarissa, what about the significance of the location? and again, as i said, we don't know the context yet, and the intelligence, perhaps the president will share a lot more in a few minutes when he begins speaking, but it certainly sta

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re i there was no hint whatsoever that panetta was joking when he wrote you're welcome , america. here's your century old ink recipe again. this was in 2011.n so 2 think it through. you had to wonder what recentce technological advancements weas are talking about in the press release and just how recent they was. panetta actually said that cia t spies were still communicating in world war one era disappearing ink as of, say,as 2010 or even as of nineteen fifty, please. was bizarre. of course it was another lie from the people in charge. here's the truth. the documents have beenn classified for one hundred years not because disappearing ink was any sort of national security secretsap had been classified because m the government's default position in every case is that you have no right to see anything ever. is there information it is not yours. you're not a citizen. here's the taxpayer. shut t can pay for it all.he to this day there areie large amounts of classified information remaining from world war two. these are documents written eighty years ago by people whose grandchildren

joining us here today two form er defense secretaries leon panetta and chuck hagel. but first steve kornacki, chief white house correspondent kristen welker, and david jolly from florida. so steve, i don't think you got a break. so you are wonderman. first to you. the democrat winning in the bellwether swing district in new york after running on abortion. let's talk about the new congress member. >> pat ryan, new york's 19th congressional district, a special election here. i think this is an important result because we have been asking a question really since that overturning roe v. wade about whether the political climate has changed nationally in a way that's favorable toward democrats. we had seen the generic ballot tighten. basically moving to a draw. myrtle beach, nebraska, republicans had won them, but democrat hs done better relative to joe biden in 2020. maybe there was new energy among voters helping them get more voters to the polls. might help their position to the midterms. the keyword belle wetter. it was a trump district in 2016. last night the democrat

. >> a damning assessment from former defense secretary and cia director leon panetta on the missing messages from multiple government agencies relate together attack on the capitol. ahead, the latest effort to hold top trump administration officials accountable for the deleted data. >>> meanwhile, over on capitol hill, there's growing bipartisan support to close loopholes in a 19th century law in hopes of preventing another january 6th. >>> plus, trump's pick for governor in arizona takes a page right out of his playbook. kari lake is declaring victory before all of the votes are counted and struggles to explain how her win doesn't clash with her claims of voter fraud. >>> good morning, welcome to "way too early." on this thursday august 4th. i'm jonathan lemire. thank you for being with us. the number two democrat in the senate is calling on the department of defense to open an internal investigation into missing texts from key officials on january 6th. in a letter yesterday, majority whip and judiciary committee chair dick durbin of illinois asked the d.o.d.'s inspector general to

leo panetta joins us right now, deferments and former chief of staff.se of all of the problems we are seeing in ukraine right now and now we have the state department telling americans that you might want to get out because russia could really get ramp up the tax on the country. it's great to have you. obviously they know something and see something in fear something that we might not know. what do you think of that? that's a pretty dire warning. >> well, i am sure that intelligence is trying to keep track of the growing threats from russia. they are two things that are coming in at play here. one is independent state tomorrow which celebrates 31 years of the independence and the second has obviously the killing of the daughter of the salford nationalists and the russian say that they are blaming ukrainian intelligence for having conducted that assassination. those two things obviously raise concerns that russia is going to use tomorrow as a target for basically going after ukraine. and i think it is for that reason that the alerts are going out. not on

, who was my congressman at the time i grew up in a navy family and we were in leon panetta's district in monterey. and so i saw the california men in the california delegation, leon panetta, george miller chuck schumer, and he's not on the california delegation marty russo chuck schumer. there was john worth a cabal of men that sounds weird, but you know, i mean that i was like wow this nancy pelosi. it's like boom. she's all the appropriations committee. boom. she's chair of the california delegation. boom. she's rising in leadership people that helped her and but i'm never clear that's interesting. and then also did she have an ambition to be speaker when she got there or like it was just like i also can imagine no one else can do this job. i'm doing it. i think she looked at how the what the democratic leadership was doing, and she thought they were doing it very well. that's what i think too. i don't think she came to washington thinking gee i want to climb this ladder. i think she looked at it and said boy are these people in apt? i don't think and i don't think it was gender-dri

instead, then-cia director leon panetta talked about how he was giving the ink recipe to a grateful public, "these documents have been classified for nearly a century until recent advancements made it possible to release them, when historical information is no longer sensitive, our responsibility to share it with the american people. there was no hint on so ever that he was joking. you're welcome, america, here is your ink recipe. again, this was in 2011, you had to wonder what recent technological advancements was leon panetta talking about, and just how recent were they. was he actually saying that cia spies were still communicating in world war i era disappearing ink in 2010, or even as of 1950? please. it was bizarre. it was another lie from the people in charge. here's the truth. the documents have been classified for 100 years not because disappearing ink was a national security secret muppets because the government's default position in every case is that you have no right to see ever. it is their information, it is not yours. you are the taxpayer. shut up and pay for it all. to thi

leon panetta joins us. he served as secretary of defense and cia director for president obama and white house chief of staff under president clinton. former fbi director andrew mccabe said on cnn earlier today he's never seen this level of threats against the bureau in more than two decades he served there. we literally saw a trump supporter posting on trump's own social media company that he was headed to the fbi office in cincinnati, armed, and after a standoff, he ended up dead. you heard the new report from kristen just now. yet, we haven't heard from trump or people around him any attempt to calm matters. all we hear is more potential incitement and allocations from his lawyers that maybe the fbi planted information. what's your reaction to all this? >> well, jake, it's a very serious and dangerous moment. because what's happened is that social media and those who basically want to incite others now have a free reign to basically go after the fbi and law enforcement officials involved with the situatio

here is former defense secretary, leon panetta, an msnbc. >> i don't think there is any question, when you go from agency, to agency, and find out that key messages have been deleted, something is going on here, that resembles, clearly, a conspiracy. >> joining me now, harry lippman, former u.s. attorney, and former deputy assistant attorney general. he is the host of the talking feds. not the talking heads, the talking feds, podcast. harry, thank you for joining me. let's start with the news of the department of defense wiping the phones of some former senior trump administration officials. we, the public, only know about this latest trove of missing texts, because the government watchdog group, american oversight, sued the d.o.d.. so, let's talk about this. how we got this information, what it means, and what we should imply from it. >> yes. all of those questions are murky, about where we should go from here, is not. the d.o.d., as you say, are the third agency. all three of these agencies, with relevant information about january 6th. we already know, d.o.d. remember, trump reached

secretary, let me begin with you and let me see if you degree with leon panetta. they say that the policy was the departing employees that the phones were wiped clean. but when you go through the secret service and the department of defense and officials at this level of those organizations in and around a critical day, does it pass the smell test for you that this was just bureaucratic? >> it does smell. it is problematic. before i was secretary of homeland security, i was general counsel of the department of defense when leon panetta was secretary of defense. i can safely say that if i had been secretary of homeland security in january of 2021 and some chief information officer came to me with a plan to wipe clean the texts or e-mails of our personnel on their phones as they were leaving office, i'd say, no, you don't. there is the federal records act. that requires that we maintain things that are generated in the course of the government business. there is the freedom of information act, which we such text are subject to requests from the public. so i don't ha

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. >> neil: leon panetta, thank you for joining us, former dia staff protector. and on we go, here's "the five." ♪ ♪ >> jesse: hello, everybody. i am jesse watters along with rachel campos duffy, jessica tarlov, dana perino antivirus. it is 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> with the plan to immediately provide tens of thousands of dollars in debt relief stimulus right now. the legislation passed by the democratic house calls for an immediate $10,000 forgiveness of student loans. it should be done immediately. i am considering dealing with some depth reduction. i am not considering $50,000 of debt reduction. but i am in the looking at whether there will be additional debt forgiveness. >> are you close to making a decision on the data? >> yes. >> jesse: president biden and expected to keep his word on canceling student debt, so get ready for a subsidized liberal arts degrees. announcing the decision to raise $10,000 to student loans for earners making less then $125,000 per year. that's a lot. it's a move that one actually erased debt, but instea

. >> peter: jeremy bash a former cia chief of staff who worked for then leon panetta and since gone on to work at msnbc as an analyst who also signed on to that letter we covered many times with other intel officials claiming that stories about hunter biden's laptop have all the, quote, classic earmarks of a russian information operation is going to be the newest member of the president's intelligence advisory board. it's worth pointing out that after that letter was signed by bash and others. hunter biden himself came tout to say saying he doesn't know if that laptop infamously dropped off at repair shop in delaware was his or not. bret? >> bret: okay. we will continue to follow that story. peter doocy on the north lawn, thanks. the stocks were down today. s&p 500 fell 27. the nasdaq dropped 124. an ominous warning tonight from a key supporter of former president trump about the possible consequences of the former president's football prosecution over the discovery of classified documents at his florida home. this comes as the justice department says it's already completed it review o

. >> a damning assessment from former defense secretary and cia director leon panetta on the missing messages from multiple government agencies relate together attack on the capitol. ahead, the latest effort to hold top trump administration officials accountable for the deleted data. >>> meanwhile, over on capitol hill, there's growing bipartisan support to close loopholes in a 19th

former defense secretary leon panetta. i want to share what he told our andrea mitchell today. >> obviously officials out of the trump administration were taking steps to make sure that the potential evidence involved in january 6th would not be there. i really do think that the justice department has to investigate the loss of this kind of critical evidence. >> you're saying this was a cover-up? >> i don't think there is any question that when you go from agency to agency and find out that key messages have been deleted, something is going on here that resembles very clearly a conspiracy. >> a conspiracy. clint, do you think he's right? >> on the dod messages i actually don't. i don't think all text messages are created equal. i've worked in the pentagon a lot, i never saw any principles actually using their phone for text messaging very much beyond what time is a car picking me up, what location is it. because you don't take it in the room. the other part is, the d. o. d. ig report at least the timeline that i reviewed h

the military and the cia, perhaps best symbolized when david petraeus became cia director and leon panettaoved to be defense secretary. would you talk about the significance of that blurring of the lines between the military and cia, what it means for how the organization functions, and for our security? amy: after 9/11, one of the improvements in intelligence was much tighter integration between the cia and what the military was doing. tight coordination about counterterrorism targeting for example. drone strikes are sometimes carried out by the military, sometimes carry out by the central intelligence agency, sometimes carried out by the two of them together. there have been real benefits, but there is a real downside to that integration as well. as i talk about in the book, there is an opportunity cost. the cia cannot do everything. the cia's primary mission is -- mission has always been preventing strategic surprise. by that, i mean preventing another pearl harbor or 9/11, a major attack or development that catches the nation by surprise. the agency's primary mission is not supporting

. >>> senior politics reporter, insider, grace panetta, thanks for joining us.t as you know, has called this search on his property politically motivated and possibly resulting in threats and could this help people vote in the midterms, do you think? >> that is a million dollar question, alex and the truth is it is too early to say and it depends how the investigation will progress. all we know so far is that there was a search and we don't know if it will lead to charges and it could be just document retrieval or it could be primarily related to national security, and criminal charges, it could be a secondary consideration. and what is absolutely clear is that trump will try to seize on this in any way he can to boost his own standing ahead of 2024, and this could give republicans something they need to latch on to in terms of grievances against quote-unquote the deep state and the fbi. >> it is a really good point, the august, the election is not until november on that front, so let's get to another point, with the debate, which continues certainly over whethe

they also say the past administration bears responsibility and preston and ricky panetta ordered an inquiry. it's now been described as a cover up human rights. official also made a red management saying all the students are likely dead. a disappearance from the city of walla, sparked international outreach sector. the literally the collusion and participation of authorities from different government levels with local policeman for mccollugh co, cooler. we to go and typical cocoa has been fully confirmed. and of course, with the guerrero unidos crime organization carrying out the disappearance of the youngsters, brazil's president i eval scenario, has grabbed a heckler outside his home just days after launching his re election campaign. gotcha. oh, when. oh, he tried to snatch the phone of the man who was filming himself, while calling the president a coward critics have often cited boston. i was temper is a problem, owes suggest his training for my present letter silva, head of october's election. now, el salvador government has extended sweeping emergency measures, used to crack down powe

grace panetta, thank you so much for your reporting.erican crosshairs for 20 years at the right hand of osama bin laden plotting the september 11 terrorist attacks, in many ways the mastermind of that violence that killed almost 3000 americans. the manhunt ended yesterday with a air strike downtown in trenton. thank you for getting up with us trying to on this morning, "morning joe" starts right now. >> tonight i can report to the american people into the world that the united states have killed ayman al-zawahiri. a precision strike removing them from the battlefield. nearly 10 years ago a bright september day was darkened by the attacks that murdered 2977 people. over the years i have made clear no matter how long it takes, no matter where you hide we will never tolerate security being threatened. if you are a threat we will be relentless in defense. the united states will find you and take you out, we give thanks to the super patriots who serve in the intelligence community. finally let me say to the families who lost loved ones on 9/

c kehele, jiy panetta, ms. leger fernandez, seth moulton, and andy levin i inform the house that these members will vote yes on the previous question. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio seek recognition? >> thank you, mr. speaker. i inform the house that member as the member designated by mr. gibbs from ohio, i inform the house that mr. gibbs will vote nay on the previous question. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from massachusetts seek recognition? mr. lynch: good morning, mr. speaker. as the member designated by mr. langevin and mrs. trahan of massachusetts, i inform the house that both those members will vote yes on moving the previous question. thank you. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from tennessee seek recognition? mr. fleischmann: mr. speaker, as the member designated by mr. lamalfa, mr. desjarlais, mr, mr. lamborn, mr. palazzo, mrs. lesko, and mr. guest, and mr. green of tennessee i inform the house that thes

safely during covid and mailing out absentee ballot applications and also candidates for governor in panetta gets to the point of secretary of state and governors play a key role in the certification of elections and sending presidential electors with the electoral college sometimes and then it starts with the attorney general. they are the representatives of the state and they can launch their own investigations which can create chaos. so when you look at the past statements like someone like mark finchem who won the republican nomination for secretary of state you see shn who has taken a bunch of conspiracies and debunked claims and he tried to get rid of machines in his own election and he claimed it was a lot of flooding of paper. if he's in charge of elections there are a lot of election experts out there, democrats and even some republicans who say this could really unmoor us from the election administration is carried out in a very nonpartisan manner. >> charlie, you mentioned earlier that trump is going to be in your great state of wisconsin tomorrow attempting to torpedo a powerful

you have leon panetta saying on msnbc it's very clearly a conspiracy.ry 6th committee make of this and how do they put this into context for what happened? >> well, publicly, they say they're in a fact-finding mode. they are trying to get to the bottom of what happened, but if you talk to some of the members and members and staff members privately, they will indicate they think there's something fishy going on here. and i believe a couple of those said that publicly as well. there shouldn't be all these missing texts. there's something wrong going on. and then you're seeing the accusations from the chairs of the oversight committee about the inspector general's own oversight of the secret service where they knew about these missing texts for months. they seemed to do nothing about it. they were extremely tardy or lax in their investigation and they department notify congress until half a year after they learned about the missing texts. so there are a the lot of questions to be asked here. and we do know some of the inspector general employes are being c